Giuliani says Trump could issue pardons after Russia probe

the "russia probe" is a farce, not one shred of any wrongdoing in 18 months. Can we talk about the economy numbers, the job numbers, the stock numbers?

The very fact that Trump, through Giuliani, is announcing a future pardon for Manafort is obstruction of justice................the message from Trump to Manafort is crystal clear.............don't rat on me and I'll pardon you.   It's right in front of our very eyes folks.

the "russia probe" is a farce, not one shred of any wrongdoing in 18 months.

Someone is showing they either don't actually read/watch the news, or else they are ignorant of reality.

Trump should pardon anyone and everyone he can related with this. Then we'll all know that to Trump, it's more important that people get away with illegal actions rather than facing the law.

not a surprise seeing some chortling their approval

In Nov we'll see if their worldview is maintained in the population and if the USA is a lost cause, or if it's just a fringe group whose luck has run out

"The president is not going to issue pardons in this investigation," Giuliani said. "Because you just cloud what is becoming now a very clear picture of an extremely unfair investigation with no criminality involved in it of any kind."

It's always amazing how the lame stream media, and Hillary worshippers, will ignore this simple statement and concentrate their bile on unissued pardons.

And the right wing MSM tries to pretend the investigation is a farce, and that it’s not relevant that Trump and team are talking about excusing illegal behaviour.

Well, Trump is a treasonous criminal, why not pardon others of the same ilk? It's an extremely corrupt government running the US at the moment -- more than any time in the nation's history -- and despite his flagrant lies, which his supporters vehemently deny, then shrug, he's getting away with murder. His supporters are so completely stupid (or rich, and making piles of money) that they don't realize how badly they are going to suffer as a result of this. A few have had the wake-up calls and many have said they would change their vote if they could go back, but many are still embarrassingly buying into the lunacy that the kool-aid has brought on.

Giuliani is now going to go down in the history books as a horrible little troll who lies, cheats, and deceives on behalf of said criminal. He'll never be remembered for ANY good he may have done during and after 9/11. He's going to die an embarrassment, and hated by most. The guy can't even keep his stories straight for five seconds: "I didn't say that (yes you did). We'll, what I MEANT was... why are you changing the topic? We're talking about something else! Not fair! I didn't say that! Well, maybe I did, who knows? Anyway, they are liars."

Lol! And Dump said, “Trust me. No one in my campaign talked with, or had any meeting with any Russian. Ever.”

Trump adviser Roger Stone reveals new meeting with Russian

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adviser-roger-stone-reveals-meeting-russian-201726565--politics.html

Someone is showing they either don't actually read/watch the news, or else they are ignorant of reality.

I watched the news and saw that Hillary Clinton committed a national security crime. I was not ignorant of reality when Comey announced in his press conference and was later confirmed by the IG that Hillary’s negligence exposed classified information pilfered by hostile foreign powers. Yet she suffered no consequences from the government. Meanwhile an enlisted guy posted a picture of himself on his submarine and was pursued by the FBI, prosecuted and convicted despite the fact that he had no intent to expose military secrets. Hillary got a pass because of who she is - that’s un-American.

There is a witch hunt against Trump the IG’s report makes that obvious. Senior FBI investigators said as much multiple times in their once private communications with one another. I do think Manafort is probably guilty of malfeasance in his past business dealings. But the investigation of Manafort is the result of an illegitimate investigation. He could be convicted but would more than likely be exonerated on appeal due to the rampant bias in the investigation. When this is all over and done with all must be pardoned.

@Silvafan

Lol! And Dump said, “Trust me. No one in my campaign talked with, or had any meeting with any Russian. Ever

My god! Did you even read that Yahoo crap? They met with a guy named Greenburg wearing a MAGA hat. Does that name sound Russian to you?

"The president is not going to issue pardons in this investigation," Giuliani said. "Because you just cloud what is becoming now a very clear picture of an extremely unfair investigation with no criminality involved in it of any kind."

It's always amazing how the lame stream media, and Hillary worshippers, will ignore this simple statement and concentrate their bile on unissued pardons.

It's always amazing that Trumpets ignore the more important implications of issuing a pardon or why Trump and his henchmen are even talking about this in public.

1 The person has to admit guilt. 2 There is no 5th amendment protection after a pardon. 3 Send a message to not talk.

Trump has established signals, "Unfair" with other pardons, and he is using that language to talk about trials that have not even finished, or in the case of "Flynn" who Trump personally fired for "lying".

Trump adviser Roger Stone reveals new meeting with Russian

Stone conveniently forgot about that. His attorney amended his Congressional testimony to mitigate perjury charges. Lucky for Stone, he hasn't been interviewed by the FBI or Mueller, or he would be charged with lying to the FBI.

How many Trump meetings with Russians have we learned about through the "fake news" and which Trump personally and people close to him flat out lied about? The count is around 10 meetings and growing. At least two were for the specific illegal purpose of getting information on Hillary from Russia. The purpose of the other meetings is still a secret among the conspirators until Mueller discloses what he finds.

Natalia Veselnitskaya

Does that name sound Russian to you?

The "Russian" Geenburg wanted 2 million for the supposed info on Hillary. They walked away. How is that collusion??

The angry hysterical and whining Hillary losers will never think clearly again.

Senior FBI investigators said as much multiple times in their once private communications with one another.

Context matters. The most damning texts from Peter Strzok were late-night texts to a woman he was having an affair with. Page was panicked about Trump potentially winning (as more than half the country was), and Strzok was using his position in the FBI to reassure her (and probably show off a bit) as most men would. It doesn't mean he actually worked to prevent Trump's election, and that's the exact conclusion of the IG report. It's the Trump camp that's twisting the results of that report, and that should tell you something.

But the investigation of Manafort is the result of an illegitimate investigation.

No, it wasn't. It may turn out that there was no collusion, but there was more than enough reason to suspect it and investigate. And why should any other crimes found during a legitimate investigation be ignored?

I'm starting to think there might not be direct collusion, but it seems likely that some money laundering went on. I suspect Trump will use some loophole like plausible deniability to evade actual charges, but how can you support a president when you know has massive personal debt to the likes of Russia and the Saudis?

Natalia Veselnitskaya

The Magnitsky Act. Ever heard of that?

@Fizzbit

My god! Did you even read that Yahoo crap? They met with a guy named Greenburg wearing a MAGA hat. Does that name sound Russian to you?

Trump associate Roger Stone reveals new contact with Russian national during 2016 campaign

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-associate-roger-stone-reveals-new-contact-with-russian-national-during-2016-campaign/2018/06/17/4a8123c8-6fd0-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html

Stone and Caputo, who did not previously disclose the meeting to congressional investigators, now say they believe they were the targets of a setup by U.S. law enforcement officials hostile to Trump.

They cite records — independently examined by The Post — showing that the man who approached Stone is actually a Russian national who has claimed to work as an FBI informant.

Interviews and additional documents show that Greenberg has at times used the name Henry Oknyansky. Under that name, he claimed in a 2015 court filing related to his immigration status that he had provided information to the FBI for 17 years.

Lol! You are not a very good reader are you? Oknyansky sounds very Russian!

Yeah so the FBI tried to set up Trump by sending an informant with a fake non Russian name. Stone and Caputo didnt fall for it. So this is Trump's fault how?

Yeah so the FBI tried to set up Trump by sending an informant with a fake non Russian name.

No.

Yeah so the FBI tried to set up Trump by sending an informant with a fake non Russian name.

That's what Roger Stone claims. Roger Stone is good friends with Alex Jones.

Wolfpack: "I watched the news and saw that Hillary Clinton committed a national security crime."

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-butwhatabouthillary?

You guys are truly sad.

Ok, so why was "Hank Greenberg" trying to offer Roger Stone dirt on Hillary for 2 million dollars. Why did he insist that Trump himself had to pay for it?

Why the fake name and the FBI didnt send him, despite him only being in the country because of visa waivers from the FBI due to his decades as an informant? whats the narrative on this one?

The answer of "No" doesnt quite explain it for me.

So what part of Stone's story is incorrect? He was never approached at all?

That's what Roger Stone claims. Roger Stone is good friends with Alex Jones.

So what part of Stone's story is incorrect?

You're the one making the claim - maybe spend some time figuring out what you're actually talking about first, so you don't have to get us to explain it to you after you already made your claim?

its not my claim, its Stone and Caputos claim backed up by the Washington Post and CNN reports. But they want to use it to somehow spin the story to blame Stone and Trump for what the FBI did, which was a clumsy attempt at entrapment.

in May 2016, before any investigation was supposedly happening. Stone didnt report contact with a "Russian" who used a fake name and was an FBI informant because he didnt know he was a "Russian", he thought he was a US citizen, possibly an Orthodox Jew. Caputo says when he was asked about it by the Special Counsel they seemed to know more about the person than he did.

your lack of effort "no" answer doesnt quite tell me what parts of his story you have an issue with.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/17/politics/roger-stone-henry-greenberg-michael-caputo/index.html

So what part of Stone's story is incorrect? He was never approached at all?

The claim that they didn't know he was Russian? It seems to me Stone and Caputo initially tried to make the claim that they didn't know Greenburg was Russian as their excuse for not mentioning the meeting to investigators. Then the texts indicating that they did know he was Russian or at least had Russian connections came out. Now they're trying to claim it was FBI entrapment.

That's not to mention Stone's history and the credibility of people he associates with.

This was May 2016. There was nothing wrong with speaking with people of "Russian" background at that time. They had no way to know by his fake name and they also had no way to know a person's citizenship. Give me a break.

Seems the Special Counsel knew he was Russia though....maybe cause they sent him and the FBI had been paying his as an informant for 17 years despite him being an illegal immigrant.

You’d think Roger Stone would have mentioned an FBI sting operation before. Seems like pretty damaging evidence.

its not my claim

And yet, you claimed it.

your lack of effort "no" answer doesnt quite tell me what parts of his story you have an issue with.

The lack of reality of it.

How would he know it was a sting at the time? no one knew in May 2016 that the FBI was doing this kind of stuff, even now they still deny doing it prior to July 2016.

He sure knows now what this person was and what he was trying to do, based on all the spying/informant type activity that came to light recently.

I dont care about all that, I dont see how the media is trying to use this as "Trump people illegally talking to Russians again" instead of "hey the FBI was trying to set up people close to Trump even back in May 2016*.

I didnt claim it, I heard it from the news. Just laughing at how the fake media claims it as a negative against the Trump campaign that the FBI used a Russian with a fake name to try to set them up. Thats damning to the FBI, and likely illegal.

Of course no one took the offer and paid the money. But lets put Stone in jail too, for simply talking with a guy who later we find out a year later is a paid Russian FBI informant?

Seems the Special Counsel knew he was Russia though....maybe cause they sent him and the FBI had been paying his as an informant for 17 years despite him being an illegal immigrant.

No.

I dont care about all that, I dont see how the media is trying to use this as "Trump people illegally talking to Russians again" instead of "hey the FBI was trying to set up people close to Trump even back in May 2016*.

Damn the people for not falling for the same lies as you. Damn them. Damn them all!

I didnt claim it

Yes you did, in your post at 11:07am.

Yeah, well Giuliani says a lot of things ... but they are all daft. Don't the American people recognize a LOONY when they see one?

This was May 2016. There was nothing wrong with speaking with people of "Russian" background at that time.

Uh... Yeah, nothing wrong in the eyes of the unknowing public... But if you're the one participating in the shady meetings???

They had no way to know by his fake name and they also had no way to know a person's citizenship. Give me a break.

Except for his accent and the Russian-immigrant associate he initially contacted. Their text conversation clearly indicates they knew who they were dealing with.

Seems the Special Counsel knew he was Russia though....maybe cause they sent him and the FBI had been paying his as an informant for 17 years despite him being an illegal immigrant.

Or Greenburg acted on his own and decided to inform his FBI contacts after his money-making scheme didn't pan out. That's just as plausible if not more so considering the other circumstances.

I honestly don't know the exact truth, but I know Stone's story has changed and I know his background. There's no reason to believe him over the FBI.

Wow, change that from "Russian" to any other ethnicity and liberals would be marching in the street AGAINST treating people in that manner. I have never seen such bias against an entire group of people simply because of where they were born and with no evidence that they have done anything wrong But it fits the narrrative, so hey its ok with liberals I guess. But dont treat "Mexicans" or "Canadians" like that or you are racist.

Ok, so you believe a 17 year FBI informant suddenly just decided to do something on his own. Thats your right and I have my right to believe that is nonsense.

Except for his accent and the Russian-immigrant associate he initially contacted. Their text conversation clearly indicates they knew who they were dealing with.

Mukashiyokatta: "Don't the American people recognize a LOONY when they see one?"

Yes, they do. They certainly do NOT see a hero, or a leader. The man was no hero even at 9/11, and that mush is clear now. He talks about corruption and immorality, then when you point out the hypocrisy and his OWN statements, he gets upset and shouts "Why would you go there? IT's not fair! And who cares? I didn't do that... maybe I did? Who cares?"

He's not only a lunatic, he's a very sad, old man and a coward who is desperate for some attention.

change that from "Russian" to any other ethnicity and liberals would be marching in the street AGAINST treating people in that manner. I have never seen such bias against an entire group of people simply because of where they were born and with no evidence that they have done anything wrong

I guess someone napped through the lesson on the cold war in history class.

Cold War is over. Long ago in 1991. Military personnel got a medal for it. I cant believe liberals are ok with demonizing an entire group of people based on ethnicity in this way. Used to be against everything you stood for.

Wow, change that from "Russian" to any other ethnicity and liberals would be marching in the street AGAINST treating people in that manner.

Now you're playing the racist card... Nice.

Don't worry, I'm not implying that all Russians are criminals like Trump did with Mexicans. The ones offering (or pretending to offer) political dirt for cash in shady meetings might not have US interests in mind though, and Stone and Caputo seemed aware of that fact. That's why they lied about not knowing Greenburg was Russian when their own texts clearly indicate they did. You still haven't addressed that lie.

Very apt description of Trump, Smith... a very good definition of hypocrisy. "I'll drain the swamp in Washington... just don't pay attention to my swamp."

Please do try to pardon your crooked corrupt cronies Trump. It just keeps clarifying the type of person you are.

But they want to use it to somehow spin the story to blame Stone and Trump for what the FBI did, which was a clumsy attempt at entrapment.

The FBI's Russia investigation hadn't even started yet.

Stone willingly went to visit the guy to get dirt. Seems familiar.

They both lived in swanky places in S. Miami beach, but they went to a remote out of the way diner to meet.

Now, you (and Stone) are trying to defend the actions by saying FBI informant. The guy's friend who asked for the money Alexi also claimed to be a disgruntled Clinton Foundation employee, but they don't know of anyone by that name. Not to give you any more unsubstantiated ideas, but you should probably include the Clinton Foundation with the FBI in your conspiracy theory.

If you read the story instead of listening to Alex Jones, you would know that the so-called FBI informant was lot like Stone, Sater, Manafort, and a slew of other dirt bags surrounding Trump. He was only an FBI informant because he had contacts in (wait for it) . . . Russia, and he wanted to live in America but was imprisoned in the U.S. for assaulting someone. He had super model wives, and rubbed elbows with celebrities in Russia and the U.S. He stopped working for with the FBI a number of years before he met Stone.

Greenberg

Greenberg

Greenberg

Rpeat it 3 times. He was selling info on Hillary for 2 million.

Jeepers creepers! What a joke!

Now that the summit is over it's back to the same ole same ole bash Trump crap that the Hillary losers feed on.

Now that the summit is over it's back to the same ole same ole bash Trump crap that the Hillary losers feed on.

It's not like he suddenly became innocent at the summit. Still the same old Trump. Still brings it all upon himself.

you read the story instead of listening to Alex Jones

Alex Jones?

I swear the only people who bring up this nut case are the lefties. He's like your go to guy to prove you're more intelligent. Nobody I know listens to this guy.

It's not like he suddenly became innocent at the summit. Still the same old Trump. Still brings it all upon himself

Wrong!

The MSM narrates the theme and the sheep follow.

All of Mueller's work will wiped out by the stroke of a pen in Trump Tower

That would be fantastic!

Don't worry, I'm not implying that all Russians are criminals like Trump did with Mexicans. The ones offering (or pretending to offer) political dirt for cash in shady meetings might not have US interests in mind though, and Stone and Caputo seemed aware of that fact.

Oh, stop, if that were the case, Stone and Caputo would have already been arrested.

That's why they lied about not knowing Greenburg was Russian when their own texts clearly indicate they did. You still haven't addressed that lie.

I’m still waiting to hear why liberals don’t discuss the Strozk and Podesta texts.

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-butwhatabouthillary? 

You guys are truly sad.

Actually, we shouldn’t be sad, she didn’t make it to the Presidency, we should be praising a huge sigh of relief.

It's always amazing that Trumpets ignore the more important implications of issuing a pardon or why Trump and his henchmen are even talking about this in public.

Oh, you guys are just angry because he has that power. Man up!

1 The person has to admit guilt. 2 There is no 5th amendment protection after a pardon. 3 Send a message to not talk.

Ok, and?

Trump has established signals, "Unfair" with other pardons, and he is using that language to talk about trials that have not even finished, or in the case of "Flynn" who Trump personally fired for "lying".

You know, I always wondered why the Feds went to great lengths to lock up Martha Stewart, talk about abuse of power. The same goes for Blagojevich. Not saying what he did was right, but 14 years? Get out of here!

Hmmm so they say....yet here in May is an FBI informant who is Russian, pretending to NOT be Russian.

The FBI's Russia investigation hadn't even started yet.

Yeah its so much better to pay a foreign spy to make that up into a fake dossier and use it to get a bunch of warrants to spy on people. just talking to someone about "dirt" but not doing anything else, thats just horrible, huh? Getting dirt isnt a crime.

Stone willingly went to visit the guy to get dirt. Seems familiar.

How convenient, after 17 years he just stops. Seems unlikely as he is illegally in the country and was having his visa sponsored by the FBI to be an informant. So they just stopped using him, then didnt recall him to duty for the exact same things he had been doing for almost 2 decades? Just used that Halfer guy instead of an actual Russian?

He stopped working for with the FBI a number of years before he met Stone.

Rpeat it 3 times. He was selling info on Hillary for 2 million.

You miss the point of that story. The offer itself isn't that important. What's important is that the Trump camp was caught in another lie. And once again, after being caught in the lie, they're trying to discredit the people who caught them lying.

You should be wondering what else they're lying about and why?

what did they lie about? That an FBI informant who pretended to not be Russian was found to actually be one over a year later? and only found out because it made sense now after the FBI got caught using another guy in a similar manner to spy too?

I’m still waiting to hear why liberals don’t discuss the Strozk and Podesta texts.

We can hear from him at the Congressional hearing. I see it as nothing. Talk between two intimate people that wasn't expected to see the light of day or be acted upon. Just some sexy talk between the two.

The obvious conclusion was his preference (or dislike of Trump) wasn't put into action, or we would have known Trump was being investigated.

You should be wondering what else they're lying about and why?

Why? You should realize, I hope some day, that this is MSM BS. What you should be wondering about is why Obama chose to use the FBI as political muscle.

here in May is an FBI informant who is Russian, pretending to NOT be Russian.

No.

What did they lie about? That an FBI informant who pretended to not be Russian was found to actually be one over a year later?

After being found out, they claimed they didn't know he was Russian when they clearly did. Read the texts where they say "How crazy is the Russian?" and "The Russian way" in response to his monetary demand.

and only found out because it made sense now after the FBI got caught using another guy in a similar manner to spy too?

Their story doesn't make sense. If the FBI is trying to catch them meeting with Russians, why bother with a fake non-Russian name?

Alex Jones? I swear the only people who bring up this nut case are the lefties. He's like your go to guy to prove you're more intelligent. Nobody I know listens to this guy.

"your reputation’s amazing – I will not let you down" - Donald Trump about "nut case" Alex Jones

Roger Stone is also a frequent collaborator.

"your reputation’s amazing – I will not let you down" - Donald Trump about "nut case" Alex Jones

nice point...whatever you mean.

The obvious conclusion was his preference (or dislike of Trump) wasn't put into action, or we would have known Trump was being investigated.

Exactly. This is the one crucial point that you'll never see Trump defenders dealing with. You'd think with all this anti-Trump animus within the FBI that it would have come out as something other than a smack in the face to the Hillary Clinton campaign a week before the election. Doesn't sound like much of a conspiracy to stop Trump to me.

Roger Stone is just another Trump associate who will be indicted. He’s got dirt on his hands with his coordination with Russia and Wikileaks, And now he suddenly decides to tell everyone about a “sting” trying to entrap Trump....just before the media releases the story about meeting with a Russian.

Must have slipped his mind before. Just another day of meeting someone offering dirt on Clinton for $2 million. No need to talk to the feds about it or anything, and no need to bring it up when being questioned by Congress.

The Trump boys were already meeting with Russians to get dirt on Clinton for free. Then they lied about it, lied again, then Trump wrote a memo lying about it even more. Don Jr, was also coordinating with Wikileaks to release stolen Russian info....and lied about that, too.

But lying doesn’t prove collusion. It just proves you are a liar. Any statements these people make need to have full disclosure that they often lie.

We can hear from him at the Congressional hearing. I see it as nothing.

Of course, I mean, when have liberals cared about anything and once again we see why the left keep losing elections after awhile.

Talk between two intimate people that wasn't expected to see the light of day or be acted upon. Just some sexy talk between the two.

August 8, 2016: In a text message on August 8, 2016, Page stated, “[Trump’s] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!” Strzok responded, “No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.

Intimate talk, eh? I’m just a simple person, I don’t have that kind of clout, Strzok on the other hand does have a lot of tools at his disposal. But again, I’m glad this all came out, because this is the very thing that will get Trump exonerated.

But No, it wasn’t sexy talk, even you don’t believe that, not even Horowitz believes that, they just didn’t know they would get caught.

The obvious conclusion was his preference (or dislike of Trump) wasn't put into action, or we would have known Trump was being investigated.

Like Brennan threatening the GOP if they don’t reign in Trump? Who the heck is Brennan? He’s just a higher paid cop. A cop! The same goes for Rosenstein, these people are off the charts rogue, they can’t do what they want, any requests for documents from the House intelligence committee has to be upheld, if not, these people will be held in contempt....like Holder another rouge Democrat.

nice point...whatever you mean.

Just helping you out because you seemed confused about why lefties bring up a nut case like Alex Jones. It's because the POTUS takes him seriously. It kind of goes against your implication that nobody listens to him, doesn't it?

the "russia probe" is a farce, not one shred of any wrongdoing in 18 months.

how do you know, Mueller has released any findings, do you have some secret access to his investigation or are you just spreading some more fake news.

Can we talk about the economy numbers, the job numbers, the stock numbers? you can talk about it as much as you want, whataboutism isnt proof of Trumps innocence and certainly wont immunize him from prosecution if Mueller has found proof of collusion

The text messages prove they didn't like Trump. It doesn't give any evidence that they planted evidence, withheld information, or did anything inappropriate.

If you have evidence of any of those things, then please post it. The IG settled the question for this investigation with his report, and now the issue is closed.