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And then backs down and signs it 3 hours later anyways. A very stable genius, everyone.

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"I am considering a VETO of the Omnibus Spending Bill," Trump tweeted, suggesting the deal did not do enough to help 800,000 immigrants holding a de facto amnesty, which he rescinded.

Excuse me, but who was the idiot that signed the Executive Order that brought an end to DACA in the first place?

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My guess:

"They reached an agreement without me and my name isn't in the papers? Let me change that."

Then he signed.

Or maybe it really was a Fox reporter who temporarily got his attention before his handlers put him back on track.

Who knows. It was a waste of time any way you slice it.

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A terrible decision by Trump. This will cost him dearly in the mid terms.

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Trump blew it. USD is about to get hammered D.E.A.D. on Monday when China starts officially buying oil in Yuan. Probably connected. But don't expect to read about that on blogs that writes in 1 sentence paragraphs for its simple minded readers, nor have any info on local weather!

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@Stocktrader. I agree that if China starts to buy oil in Yuan it will certainly damage the USD but I think saying it will be hammered dead is an over-statement (at least in the short term).

However, in the long term, if China buys oil in Yuan and other nations follow suit, the impact to the U.S. will be more devastating as the age of artificially low gas prices, etc. will be over and it will literally bankrupt many American families. And I mean literally (as so many area living paycheck to paycheck now anyway). The end of the U.S. dollar as the global reserve currency will be a disaster for Americans. I believe this would have come at some time (Trump or no Trump) and he just may be accelerating the demise.

The sad thing about this (and I do not like Trump) is that he is partially right on this trade issue. Greed (primarily by multi-national corporations) has lead to a situation where China does have an advantage in trade. Trump did not get the U.S. into this situation (this started back with the Bush's) but he has certainly not helped matters.

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Hey, ShrimpHead is the leader of the gov’t so shutting it down is a Good idea.

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And then backs down and signs it 3 hours later anyways. A very stable genius, everyone.

Trump was in a bind, can’t get support from his own cowardly party. The weasely Dems weren’t going to fund the military, they could care less about how much to spend on ballooning “excessive” entitlements, the GOP once again spineless and with the media fixated on WH shuffles, porn stars and relentless looney attacks with the possibility of a shutdown happening instead of holding the line, they caved and putting the President in a tough and very bad position. If these people can’t show some cahones and shrivel at pathetic Democrat threats, then they have No business governing or even holding a majority.

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Trump was in a bind, can’t get support from his own cowardly party. 

Yeah it’s too bad he’s a weak leader who can’t even get his own team to work with him.

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Tokyo-Engr: The end of the U.S. dollar as the global reserve currency will be a disaster for Americans.

I’ll believe it when I see it. Not that it can’t happen, but I’ve heard it before. I even thought the financial collapse would end it, but there wasn’t even a dent.

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Yeah it’s too bad he’s a weak leader who can’t even get his own team to work with him.

Has nothing to do with him as much as it has to do with the GOP being spineless, he can’t make them do the right thing, No president can. Don’t fault the President, but if his people can’t get their act together, then they are ineffective and shouldn’t even run a taco stand and I love tacos.

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bass4funk: "Trump was in a bind, can’t get support from his own cowardly party."

Hahaha... you'd defend him if he took your guns away. Something in your heart and brain would tell you you know it's wrong, but you'd override it and jump through hoops to defend the man, suddenly saying gun control was a good thing and hand over every last one of your guns and bullets. Then 10 minutes later the NRA would call him, he'd say he never planned to take your guns, and you'd say you would never have supported the idea anyway.

Trump's "stable genius" now has not only sent the stock markets plunging, which, remember, "He is responsible for", and even the GOP are finally starting to see it. Cracaphat even sees it now. You're the only one who hasn't yet. Trump is now on the verge of rejecting a bill because it doesn't include the protections he removed to begin with -- because he is sad about the media coverage. Hahaha. But, he'll sign it, and say "it's not his fault", and you'll buy it and defend it. Then he'll go 180, and you'll defend the hypocrisy.

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Yeah it’s too bad he’s a weak leader who can’t even get his own team to work with him.

Has nothing to do with him

Hmm, this guy disagrees with you:

Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the President’s the leader, and he’s got to get everybody in a room, and he’s got to lead. And he doesn’t do that, he doesn’t like doing that, that’s not his strength. And that’s why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington. It’s a very, very bad thing and it’s very embarrassing worldwide.

The same guy also said this:

Well, very simply, you have to get everybody in a room. You have to be a leader. The president has to lead. He’s got to get [the Speaker of the House] and everybody else in a room, and they have to make a deal. You have to be nice, and be angry, and be wild, and cajole, and do all sorts of things. But you have to get a deal.Unfortunately, [the president] has never been a dealmaker. That wasn’t his expertise before he went into politics. And it’s obviously not his expertise now. But you have to get the people in the room, and you have to get a deal that’s good for everybody and good for the country.

Does anyone know who exactly said that? Bueller? Bueller?

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Hmm, this guy disagrees with you:

And I disagree with him.

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Well, you know, there's more to being president than being president.

That same analogy applies to both Democrats and Republican Congressmen.

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Threats, threats, threats.

Trump loves to browbeat, don't he? And of course, his fellow anti-Americans applaud it. They don't care that he's systematically dismantling their country, as long as Trump is acting the bully.

Can't wait until he's gone. Although America, unfortunately, will take time to heal from this maniac.

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Hmm, this guy disagrees with you:

And I disagree with him.

Oh, I did some googling and I found out who said those two things! Turns out it was Donald Trump who said it. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-criticize-obama-shutdown/

Pretty rare that you disagree with dear leader. But by his own definiton, he is a weak leader.

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Every country that has tried to sell oil with any currency other than the USD has been invaded.

That is why Bolton is now where he is.

The US will start a war. It’s no longer if, it’s when.

I’m pretty old, but you young people are screwed. You can forget what you thought was going to be your future. It’s all changed. Good luck.

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@strangerland

Snopes is a hardcare liberal leaning blog that has debunked itself and is not a reliable source of anything, especially Trump.

i.e.

Snopes, the far-left website that purports to debunk conspiracy theories, has debunked itself by asserting that Oprah Winfrey never said white people need to die to solve racism,

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The president also vented that the spending bill did not fully fund his signature campaign promise to build "the BORDER WALL, which" he said "is desperately needed for our National Defense."

Just to say, WHY? And Guns to be allowed for NRA supporting? Internal defense first! America security No-More-guns first!

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I’m Confident that when Huckabee Sanders resigns or is fired,Bass will be the next press secretary, only someone like Bass is capable of taking the obvious any trying to twist it into something completely different in an attempt to make that orange clueless, classless and just plain incompetent poor excuse for a human being who is making a mockery of everything look like he is actually doing something.

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Snopes is a hardcare liberal leaning blog that has debunked itself and is not a reliable source of anything, especially Trump.

Fact check yourself son! They provided video to prove the first quote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv3lI7Qmxzw

And a link to the video, with a transcript, of the second:

http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2013/10/08/donald-trump-has-advice-president-obama-about-art-deal.html

So the only thing that has been debunked here is your ability to fact check.

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Just read something amazing, and it totally applies to the GOP nutjobs and reactionary "conservatives" as they are now.

"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."

I don't agree that it's conservatives, but I'd say more like reactionary "conservatives" that would do the above. Which apply quite well to some posters here and too many GOP officials.

Found it here in comments, while browsing random articles.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/wisconsin-gop-extraordinary-session-block-special-elections

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Every country that has tried to sell oil with any currency other than the USD has been invaded.

Here we go....

That is why Bolton is now where he is.

No, the reason why he’s there is because he gets it and even if liberals think that we live in a world of daises and hypotheticals, the danger is real. You think Israel will tolerate a nuclear Iran or any of the Arab States? That will never happen and why should we appease Iran? They can threaten us and we just have to turn the other cheek and just allow them or even NK to threaten us? When Democrats get in office and appease or allow our enemies to threaten and walk all over us and our allies that’s on them, Republicans just won’t allow that. No one wants a war, I never in my life met any conservative that relished at going to and getting involved in a war, never. But they’re not going to be pacifists either. You don’t have to engage in a full scale war just because you talk as tough as your enemy.

The US will start a war. It’s no longer if, it’s when.

Well, if Iran and NK denuclearize and stop threatening their neighbor or the US it won’t come to that. They decide the outcome.

I’m pretty old, but you young people are screwed. You can forget what you thought was going to be your future. It’s all changed. Good luck.

I worry about the young as well, but for a totally different reason and the economy is one of them

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they could care less about how much to spend on ballooning “excessive” entitlements, yet Trumps brings in a 1.5trillion tax cut that AMerica cant afford, and wants takes 50billion from healthcare for the people that need it the most and give it to the military that already consumes $550 billion yearly, add to that the 50billion border wall Mexico wont pay for. There is nothing responsible about Trump or his spending.

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That same analogy applies to both Democrats and Republican Congressmen. why congressmen answer to the American people not Trump. they are the ones thatll decide whether Trumps policies are responsible or destined for the trash.

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Trump is right, this spending bill bites the big one.

Oh my...

Omnibus spending bill: A score for the swamp?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huaLPQBvYz4

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they could care less about how much to spend on ballooning “excessive” entitlements, yet Trumps brings in a 1.5trillion tax cut that AMerica cant afford,

He didn’t make the bill and why did the spineless Republicans coward and gave in to the weasely Democrats, the Dems love this bill and every conservative hates it. I don’t blame the President at all, but what should he do, allow another shutdown knowing the GOP won’t stand their ground? It’d be a different story if the GOP would fight this, then go ahead, but they didn’t. So I can imagine the Presidents frustration, the GOP deserved to get cursed out on this monstrosity of a disastrous bill.

and wants takes 50billion from healthcare for the people that need it the most and give it to the military that already consumes $550 billion yearly,

You know we do need a strong and powerful military so that does take priority of haven’t you noticed the increase in military plane crashes? There’s a lot of entitlements for healthcare that can be trimmed and you can do without compromising on overly costly entitlements or subsidies that people don’t need.

add to that the 50billion border wall Mexico wont pay for. There is nothing responsible about Trump or his spending.

So border security isn’t important for liberals? I know the answer to that shocking question already, but I have to throw it out there for astonishment.

That same analogy applies to both Democrats and Republican Congressmen.  why congressmen answer to the American people not Trump. they are the ones thatll decide whether Trumps policies are responsible or destined for the trash.

And they both suck, Dems suck more in an annoying arrogant way, but nonetheless, they both suck.

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It’s too bad that Trump is such a weak leader (by his own definition of weak leadership), that he can’t even control his own party. It’s leaving the country in a mess.

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Take the money away from the poor and needy. 14 million people below the poverty line. A rich dude decides what entitlements and subsidies people don't need? Does your same thinking apply here in Japan?

Republicans believe in corporate welfare, not public welfare. They are ok with entitlements as long as they are for the military, and not for the common man.

Which is really weird as the Republican party used to be the party of the people. Or at least they claimed to be do.

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Simply par for the course with Trump (and Google "Trump cheats at golf" to see that what constitutes "par" for Trump is inseparable from "lying"). He wanted attention. If a tantrum full of lies (DACA, border wall) was what it would take, well, so be it.

Ironically, there's a tiny chance that Trump's megalomania might bode well for a peace agreement with NK. Accolades in war generally accrue to those fighting it, while those of diplomatic agreements accrue to the president. But that chance is tiny. Trump might as well be hankerin' for a Bushesque "Mission Accomplished" photo op.

Interesting times ahead.

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Simply par for the course with Trump (and Google "Trump cheats at golf" to see that what constitutes "par" for Trump is inseparable from "lying").

Oh, the littlest insignificant things that make Trump haters so angry. Lol.

But maybe that’s why Mueller is after Trump. Heard he couldn’t pay his membership fee and had to get booted out.

He wanted attention. If a tantrum full of lies (DACA, border wall) was what it would take, well, so be it.

Oh, stop! The Dems had a plethora of a deal when it came to DACA. The man was going to give almost 2 million illegal aliens a path to citizenship in exchange for money for the wall and the the Democrat stooges said, No! So of course the President said, forget it and rightfully so. You want a deal, here is your deal, I give you 2 million illegals and you give me money for my wall, you won’t, then “bye, bye.”

Ironically, there's a tiny chance that Trump's megalomania might bode well for a peace agreement with NK. Accolades in war generally accrue to those fighting it, while those of diplomatic agreements accrue to the president.

Everyone wants peace, I know the left love daises, but stop listening to DailyKos and ya’ll will get the facts.

But that chance is tiny. Trump might as well be hankerin' for a Bushesque "Mission Accomplished" photo op.

Coming from the party that create false red lines.

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Trumps brings in a 1.5trillion tax cut that AMerica cant afford

This is like saying Japan can’t afford to cut its consumption tax rate in order to boost consumption.

The tax cuts will in the short term decrease tax revenues, but if successful will increase tax revenues over the longer term due to higher economic growth. Business investment is the big winner of the tax cut package and that extra investment will over time make Americans more productive, thus richer and paying more in taxes.

Most spending programs on the other hand do not accelerate economic growth at all. The point of spending is often redistribution of income from the wealthy income earners to those of lesser means. This is fine to a point, but you have to be able to pay for it.

Historically tax rates were way higher than they are now, but tax revenues are higher now than they were in the past when tax rates were higher.

America will find itself having covered this 1.5 trillion dollar tax reform package in 10 to 15 years. Keep spending under control and the deficit can be dealt with. It’s the spending restraint that is key.

Japan is facing similar spending restraint problems, but doesn’t have good prospects for accelerated economic growth to pay for it.

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The tax cuts will in the short term decrease tax revenues, but if successful will increase tax revenues over the longer term due to higher economic growth.

Politicians say that, economists don’t.

Business investment is the big winner of the tax cut package

Stock buybacks are by far and away the biggest winner. By a landslide. We all gave up a portion of our tax cuts to inflate stock prices of corporations.

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Politicians say that, economists don’t.

Actually the facts say that. Look it up. What happened with government taxes paid to the government within a few years of the Kennedy and Reagan supply side tax cuts? The problem was that spending increased just as fast or faster than the booming inflow of money from taxes.

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Kansas.

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bass4funk: "Oh, the littlest insignificant things that make Trump haters so angry. Lol."

I'm genuinely curious: when Trump blatantly lies, and I mean lies so badly even you need a couple of minutes to convince yourself he's not, do you feel bad lying about it yourself? I mean, for example, when he says the stock market is "way up" after it's biggest crash in ages. Or when he says "The Dems fought DACA being in the agreement tooth and nail". How long does it take you to believe it as truth?

Also, since FOX, where you claim to have worked (we know better, but still) and which you love, rips Trump for signing the bill, do you feel torn? I mean, you immediately side with Trump on anything, even when it's two 180s in three hours, but do when it's FOX that's decrying his actions does your mouth start twitching when you try to convince yourself that BOTH can be right at the same time, but FOX is still maybe just incorrect about Trump or something? Just implode?

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And they both suck, Dems suck more in an annoying arrogant way, but nonetheless, they both suck. so we should just dump the whole congress, have Trump put yes men/women in their place and then he can be the dictator hes always dreamed of. Thank god congress dont have to answer to POTUS moron.

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The tax cuts will in the short term decrease tax revenues, but if successful will increase tax revenues over the longer term due to higher economic growth. yet almost all tax cuts havnt done that, majority of economist predict Trumps tax cuts will cost the taxpayer over $1trillion in the long term.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/10/31/16581822/republican-tax-cuts-real-costs

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@ Superlib: Kansas

New York

Illinois

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@wtfjapan: yet almost all tax cuts havnt done that, majority of economist predict Trumps tax cuts will cost the taxpayer over $1trillion in the long term.

They said the same thing about Reagan’s tax cuts and the economists were wrong. It is true however that to be effective tax cuts must be timed correctly. Which is why Kennedy and Reagan’s cuts generated floods of tax revenues to the government and why Bush II’s were much less successful. You can’t simply argue that cutting taxes is always bad and raising them is always good. That is the simplistic thinking that is going on in America today.

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smith: I'm genuinely curious: when Trump blatantly lies, and I mean lies so badly even you need a couple of minutes to convince yourself he's not, do you feel bad lying about it yourself?

”If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”.

”Health care costs will go down by $2,500 a year. “

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Stock buybacks are by far and away the biggest winner.

You’re getting there - stock buybacks are a good outcome. The result is stock prices go up to the benefit of the owners of those companies. Those owners include millions of Americans (not to mention foreigners like yours truly), both directly, and indirectly through investment vehicles like pension funds.

I don’t know about you but when my investments do well I don’t blow the profits on stuff like booze and drugs, but rather I invest the extra in the next promising investment that pops up.

Versus the prior status quo this is obviously all good (unless one is beholden to 21st century American bipartisan politics and thus unable to call a spade a spade)

majority of economist predict Trumps tax cuts will cost the taxpayer over $1trillion in the long term.

Some economists also predicted Trump’s election would crash the economy and stock market and it would never recover.

The economy is not an exact science, no one can accurately forecast the economy over a long term time frame, without having to resort to making a range of assumptions which will prove wrong in retrospect.

Like it or not, the current administration is listening to the economists in the camp that says policy that favors private sector led economic growth is the way to go.

I don’t like a lot of things about the Trump administration but as a foreigner I back the American economic leadership here 100% and wish very much that Japan would follow suit and really make some big reforms and get serious about unshackling the Japanese economy.

Alas there is no leadership yet on government spending restraint, anywhere. But I will take the pro-growth policy in the meantime.

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