ANA to cut workforce by 9,000 within 5 years

slash around 9,000 employees

Wrong. Attrition through retirement and hiring curbs are not "slashing employees."

A mild response for a very harsh situation.

good. Its a crappy airline. Fly JAL

Japan Inc slashing employee but company still exist and not went bankrupt? It shouldn't happen, that against Japanese norm. In Japan the norm is Japanese company just that don't adapt to fast changing world so it went bankrupt and lay off employee at the end.

ANA Holdings Inc said Friday it will slash around 9,000 employees within five years as the Japanese airline expects to remain in the red for the second straight year with a 100 billion yen net loss in fiscal 2021, underscoring the severity of the hit from the fallout of COVID-19.

But, but I thought all that pandemic relief bailout money was to save jobs?!

It is always about bailing out the stakeholders, not the workers.

It is not the first time that an airline cut employees, it happened to me a long time ago and I am not whining here..

Thank you for your service. That is what the corporate execs like in an employee. When your usefulness is done, please go quietly and let us enjoy our golden parachutes at your expense while you quietly scrape by.

good. Its a crappy airline. Fly JAL

JAL was once bailed out.

To ensure an equal treatment, the transport ministry allowed/gave priority to ANA to expand operations in Haneda. ANA was supposed to benefit from big inbound demand with the Tokyo Olympics. The pandemic contingency is to blame.

JAL was once bailed out.

To ensure an equal treatment, the transport ministry allowed/gave priority to ANA to expand operations in Haneda

Sounds like its ANA that got a bail out

Sounds like its ANA that got a bail out

Hopefully. But due to the virus crisis many other businesses also suffer. Unlikely that ANA will get on the fast track.

The troubled JAL was resuscitated in more peacetime via bailout and tax break. It now weathers the pandemic impact relatively better. Quite ironic.

JAL、赤字額がANAの半分なのは、「公的資金注入」と「税負担軽減」の優遇が原因だ

https://www.goo.ne.jp/green/column/bizjournal-bj-192974.html

Hopefully. But due to the virus crisis many other businesses also suffer. Unlikely that ANA will get on the fast track.

The troubled JAL was resuscitated in more peacetime via bailout and tax break. It now weathers the pandemic impact relatively better. Quite ironic.

I've always liked JAL and thought the staff really went all out to make the passengers comfortable. With ANA I always thought their service was garbage

Add to that the fact that JAL's CEO was in the news as being someone who was not extravagant which is why I really like JAL

Anyone who has flown ANA or JAL domestically or internationally knows that the service priced by both airlines is top notch.

And the rankings indicate that most airline customers agree.

https://www.worldairlineawards.com/worlds-top-100-airlines-2021/

good. Its a crappy airline.

Not according to objective rankings such as Skytrak:

ANA All Nippon Airways is Certified as a  5-Star Airline for the quality of its airport and onboard product and staff service. Product rating includes seats, amenities, food & beverages, IFE, cleanliness etc, and service rating is for both cabin staff and ground staff.

https://skytraxratings.com/airlines/ana-all-nippon-airways-rating

It is not the first time that an airline cut employees,

In fact, all of the so call cuts are coming thru attrition:

All Nippon Airways Co will reduce the workforce...through retirement and by curbing new hiring.

Not according to objective rankings such as Skytrak:

ANA All Nippon Airways is Certified as a  5-Star Airline for the quality of its airport and onboard product and staff service. Product rating includes seats, amenities, food & beverages, IFE, cleanliness etc, and service rating is for both cabin staff and ground staff.

No offense, but I don't care about Skytrak. I am speaking from personal experience. I mean, if people want to fly with ANA have at it.

Me personally, I'll always go with JAL.

That's just my personal preference

'Manpower-saving' is a clumsy way of saying 'firing people'.

I've always liked JAL and thought the staff really went all out to make the passengers comfortable. With ANA I always thought their service was garbage

While I have no preference of one over the other, JAL and ANA are said to differ profoundly in corporate culture. The competitions have been fierce. Thus any merger plan, though often proposed, is highly unlikely under business crisis. Besides, the possible abbreviation for a new unified company could be some trouble (ANAL)

I've always liked JAL and thought the staff really went all out to make the passengers comfortable. With ANA I always thought their service was garbage

Add to that the fact that JAL's CEO was in the news as being someone who was not extravagant which is why I really like JAL

Absolutely. No one likes these fat cats.

On another note, here's another lesson in economics for the illiterate who wailed for lockdowns and shutting down the economy like it was a light switch.

There is no magical "ON" button.

This is just the beginning. It is going to get much worse.

Besides, the possible abbreviation for a new unified company could be some trouble (ANAL)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Brilliant!

The capitalist engine broke down so years ago. They tried to fix it but the wheels are falling off instead

Capitalism is so obsolete it's continued existence is starting to resemble a black comedy.

The era of lifetime employment has been long over.

While I have no preference of one over the other, JAL and ANA are said to differ profoundly in corporate culture.

Many of JALs stewardesses aren't young. ANAs stewardesses typically can work there 5 years max and are....... smoking hot. ANA has it's strengths, well, a strength but obviously JAL is run by far more decent people.

 ANAs stewardesses typically can work there 5 years max

sorry- I'm really curious.. where did you get this information from?

"‘Travel demand has not come back as quickly as anticipated’"

Yeah, we LITERALLY CANNOT come. The government has been radio SILENT on the border situation for almost two years now, after closing the borders "for the time being". As such, nobody knows what to expect and what to plan for, including major industries that rely on international travel.

sorry- I'm really curious.. where did you get this information from?

From two different (unknown to each other) ANA stewardesses.

Having flown both in all classes a LOT for close on 30 years, ANA is certainly the better and more innovative airline. Since the bailout of JAL I almost exclusively switched to ANA anyway. Their new Business and First on the which had launched 8 months before the Pandemic is streets ahead of anything JAL have on offer. Also, why is it always so damn hot on an International JAL flight?

ANA is certainly the better and more innovative airline

Yet they're too mean to give out pre take off champagne in Business Class, unlike many other airlines.

sorry- I'm really curious.. where did you get this information from?

From two different (unknown to each other) ANA stewardesses.

nice. thanks.

Me personally, I'll always go with JAL.

One of the worst airlines in the sky. So corporate it is nauseating. The only thing worse is AA.

@factchecker: Fair enough. For me it's about the comfort, the schedule and the mileage programme. For me ANA wins on all the above. Horses for courses and all that.

Let's not forget that ANA had the better schedules at Haneda pre Pandemic as reward for never having asked for Government bail out.

ANA is definitely one of the best airlines I have flown. On an international flight from US to HK, they definitely had the best food I have had on a coach flight. However, they did kick me off and cancelled my entire return flight ticket from HK to US because on my first flight from US, I skiplagged on the layover in Tokyo and traveled around Tokyo for a few days. Did not think it was a big deal to not use the last leg of a connecting flight. That one stung and was quite costly addition to my vacation. Blah.

They should concentrate on getting rid of some of the older and less attractive flight attendants or they will end up like US carriers.... no thank you!

CrashTestDummy: Sadly, totally normal procedure. It's a very common practice for passengers ex UK for example on transatlantic flights as flights ex Europe are significantly cheaper via London. Some travel agents have been blackballed over the years and passengers mileage accounts suspended. No, I don't think it's fair, but it sadly in your ticket conditions when you buy such a flight with a direct connection and NOT an actual layover.

Let's focus on the fact that the government here is killing the industry keeping the borders closed.

@theResidentToday Sadly, totally normal procedure. It's a very common practice for passengers ex UK for example on transatlantic flights as flights ex Europe are significantly cheaper via London. Some travel agents have been blackballed over the years and passengers mileage accounts suspended. No, I don't think it's fair, but it sadly in your ticket conditions when you buy such a flight with a direct connection and NOT an actual layover.

Yeah, I know they keep track of it now. Lol. I thought that the airlines would not care because it the entire round trip flight is paid for already and they could possibly sell the open seat on any of the flights that passengers skipped. But it doesn't really matter now because can't really travel internationally now. Not good.

Let's focus on the fact that the government here is killing the industry keeping the borders closed.

Wonder how long they will do this? Could be years before tourists are allowed back.

Hahaha. @Thomas Goodtime. European Airlines better than airlines in Japan?, or for that fact, in Asia in general. I'd fly Lufthansa if I had to. The rest are truly awful.

Travel demand has not come back anticipated

> Wrong!

There is plenty of demand

Two weeks ago I had a visitor from the US over here in the UK.

No quarantine.

No apps.

No threats

Just a PCR test before he came.

Governments are forcing companies under and killing jobs-it is that simple..,

When the pandemic is over, people will want to go back to traveling, and the airlines will be in the position of not having enough employees.

Some of "us" here can only afford to fly economy regardless of the airlines.

Tom San. Then work harder.