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As diversity, equity and inclusion comes under legal attack, U.S. companies quietly alter their programs

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By ALEXANDRA OLSON, HALELUYA HADERO and ANNE D'INNOCENZIO

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Just hire the most qualified and skilled person.

And here's the counter to that argument: "Those qualifications were established by racist white males purposely being discriminatory in their rules for the purposes of preventing people of color from getting ahead."

If you point out there are minorities who have already managed to get into those positions despite those "racist rules": "Those AAPI and Latinx members have a history of supporting white supremacy, therefore they don't count. The blacks you refer to are suffering from internalized racism and refuse to be a black face with a black voice. Regardless, all of these people of color have had to abandon their heritage and culture for the purposes of 'surviving' in a culture dominated by whiteness. The only solution is to tear down and transform society so that it no longer systematically promotes and incentives whiteness in activity and lifestyle."

I hope this helps get across what their goals are.

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How about just hiring the best qualified person? Color or race and gender should not come as a decision making requirement for employment.

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Just hire the most qualified and skilled person.

As long as they are white and, cough cough, "Christian". That is how it really works at too many companies in the US.

I still recall with a bitter taste in my mouth a cousin of mine saying that anyone who wasn't Christian could not be a loyal American. She said this to her former Naval Officer and security cleared cousin (me) who is emphatically not Christian. That is the darkness that those who are not themselves white and Christian face in the US.

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I don't know about quotas, but just basic decency ought to cause hiring managers to consider how a very challenging background can handicap someone their entire life. Frequently the so called "skills" being evaluated for are facts you can learn on the job anyways.

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This is a very relevant issue for Japanese folks as Asians, who are a visible minority have been harmed by DIE policies.

The real solution is easy for outside eyes, equal funding for all elementary schools to start with followed by the state providing a funding advantage to schools in low income areas where kids are more likely to get off to the best start in life.

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That is the darkness that those who are not themselves white and Christian face in the US.

USA has a lot of darkness yet to be dealt with in the clear light of day. But that does not mean DEI should be the ONLY criteria for relationships (business, social, political).

On the other hand, IMHO those who oppose DEI appears to be beneficiary of the same policy. Eg, Elon Musk, he certainly wasn't the best rocket engineer, the track record says his investors provided him with lots of opportunity for learning and progress (despite very public failures), so why not provide the same opportunities to those who are not at the top of their game so they can be?

When I first came to Japan, I had just been laid off, but a Japanese manager said my current skills would be appreciated elsewhere. I got a contract position in Indonesia working for a Japanese company. I wasn't fluent in Japanese, had no experience working with Japanese, certainly not the best qualified. However I am enthusiastic and appreciative of the nurturing given to me, and it has worked out for all concerned.

IMHO, DEI is a force for good if politics is left out.

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If you can’t raise ten grand your idea is not appealing.

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DEI initiatives are racism! They are EXPLICITLY discriminatory!

They are unconstitutional and an offense to our system of government!@

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IMHO, DEI is a force for good if politics is left out.

You cannot remove the "politics" from DEI because the purpose of DEI is political activism. Actually breakdown the acronym.

"Diversity" means the constant search for a "diverse" workforce. This begins with including women and racial minorities (Which people don't have a problem with at the start), but eternally continues pushing for more and more "diverse" peoples and never ends. Are you a construction firm that isn't hiring a nature artist or a philosphy major? Congratualtions, you failed at the "diversity" portion in DEI.

"Equity" is the redistribution of shares so that everyone is made "equal", meaning that you hire unqualified individuals for the purposes of "uplifting" so-called "marginalized groups". Are you a tech company who refuses an applicant because the candidate cannot actually program but is from a "marginalized community"? Congratualtions, you failed at the "diversity" portion in DEI.

"Inclusion" means making an environment where "everyone" feels welcome so you need to expunge anything and everything that has the possibility of offending someone as it may "alienate" the person and prevent them from feeling like they can bring their "whole self" to work. And that's in addition to making sure that your conduct doesn't offend or hurt people either. Are you a hospital that just yelled at a surgeon because they almost killed a patient until you scared them to the point that they stopped? Congratualtions, you just failed the "inclusion" portion in DEI.

DEI doesn't improve anything.

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Equality of opportunity =flourishing society

Equality of outcome= a non- flourishing society

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You cannot remove the "politics" from DEI because the purpose of DEI is political activism. Actually breakdown the acronym.

I disagree, this ^^^ is how the holders of power in the left do it. It doesn't mean apolitically inclined institutions have to do it. AND, this shouldn't be the only way for the right to see it.

Musk and SpaceX is a perfect example of this. He's not perfect, nor the most qualified, but investors still nurture him to success.

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As diversity, equity and inclusion comes under legal attack, U.S. companies quietly alter their programs

Most DEI initiatives are indeed "woke capitalism" and utterly subordinate to shareholder values.

As Piketty has stated, what is needed is an inheritance for all that addresses the fact unequal access to capital and rentier capital economics is the reality today.

https://www.lemonde.fr/blog/piketty/2021/05/18/from-basic-income-to-inheritance-for-all/

Einstein despite his intellect had a modest income and you will never surpass the trust fundies around you leveraging their assets at an early age into easy street.

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It's heartening to see action being taken against the purist form of racism we have today. DEI must die.

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For those who support DEI, have you ever considered why the NBA does not have any DEI policies?

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I disagree, this ^^^ is how the holders of power in the left do it. It doesn't mean apolitically inclined institutions have to do it. AND, this shouldn't be the only way for the right to see it.

No, it's not, you idiot. If you want to see a prime example of what happens when the "Political Right" takes Marxist tactics and apply them to their "ideals", look at Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. Seriously, Hitler and Mussolini both boasted about how that was exactly their program in Mein Kampf and The Doctrine of Fascism.

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DEI and Affirmative Action are two sides of the same racist coin. Neither inspire individuals to pursue excellence but rather to demand equality despite inequality of skills.

Should a McDonald's "cook" be paid the same as the manager?

Rather, let's focus on the "content of one's character" and not the "color of one's skin".

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

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Equality of opportunity =flourishing society

Equality of outcome= a non- flourishing society

Equality of opportunity does not exist in the US. Racism still rules many workplaces and too many governmental institutions. African Americans, Hispanics and yes Asian Americans are denied equal opportunity due to racism every single day in the US.

Unless you believe some races are superior to others, equality of outcome is a very good measure of equality of opportunity. I also question the motives of those who claim helping those who have been denied in the past due to the bigotry of the majority is someone inherently racist. It is not. Those who paint it so are doing so the justify their own bigotries. It drives them mad to see a non-white succeed. Scares the living daylights out of them.

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DEI initiatives are racism! They are EXPLICITLY discriminatory!

Then what does a nation do to overcome a 200+ year heritage of enslaving African Americans followed by another 150 years of legal discrimination in the form of Jim Crow laws that segregated African Americans into impoverished ghettos around the US, denies them to this day educational equality and whom still face racism at every turn? Just say the law says their equal and ignore reality? Or are you fine with a chunk of your fellow citizens continuing to suffer discrimination?

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I like the MLK “I have a dream” test of these things.

It’s important to me here in Japan as a parent of kids.

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have you ever considered why the NBA does not have any DEI policies?

Because it's controlled by West Taiwan: https://odysee.com/@ChinaUncensored:0/enes-kanter-freedom-ousted-from-nba-for:0

Racism still rules many workplaces and too many governmental institutions.

Which is how the United States elected a black man as the president, twice.

Unless you believe some races are superior to others, equality of outcome is a very good measure of equality of opportunity.

That's bait and I'm not taking it.

I also question the motives of those who claim helping those who have been denied in the past due to the bigotry of the majority is someone inherently racist.

Because, Ibram Kendi, we staunchly oppose your revenge fantasy that the solution to past discriminations is present discrimination.

Then what does a nation do to overcome a 200+ year heritage of enslaving African Americans

I don't know. What do you do when blacks are the one's who started the institutional slavery of other blacks in the Americas: https://archive.ph/ykPBd

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DEI policies are inherently discriminatory and unfair. Nevertheless I don't like the government dictating who companies can and cannot employ. Interfere only as a last resort.

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Any qualified minority would rather deal with light racism from a few ignorant people then have everyone question if their qualified because of the implementation of DEI.

All this does is bully companies into following the status quo. It's all just virtue signaling to minorities when nothing is actually done in Washington.

Also this article was poorly written to be honest. Focusing on one personal story and offering no difference in opinion? Weak.

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From my own personal experience in higher education it certainly has gone on too long with the result of much money wasted. Of the past 10 administrators hired there was one straight male hired and that was grant funded. DEI in and of itself isn't a problem but it can and is being taken too far.

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@Olive Lesson number one is the difference between equality and equity.

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Equality of opportunity does not exist in the US. Racism still rules many workplaces and too many governmental institutions.

Equality of opportunity does exist in the US, that is why the US is at the top of list of any immigrant, the american dream has been a blockbuster success, this diversity thing is though undermining that dream.

As for governmental institutions, well that you will find in every country, as merit is not the only criteria..

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If the business idea and content are standing on their merits then no need for a grant.

I started mine without one.

I know people too that sacrifice a lot to get capital to do their own business, no grants available.

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I have not really made my mind up on this one but I smelled a rat. Do your own research. Look up Edward Blum and see who backs him. It's the same group of rich, conservative think-tanks, foundations and trusts as you would expect. You know, the ones that would prefer if all policies were based on tax cuts for their greedy donors and no impediments whatsoever to their pursuit of profits for themselves. Be careful about what you are really supporting because these vultures care nothing for you.

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I love the hypocrisy in the conservative approach to this issue. People will beg for any sort of minority representation, representation which is always ridiculed by conservatives, but as soon as they are thrown a bone, conservatives suddenly care about representation too as a reactionary measure to stop the other side from achieving their goals. All despite the fact that the vast majority of people high up on corporate ladders are white, so it's not like they lack representation themselves.

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It's the same group of rich, conservative think-tanks, foundations and trusts as you would expect

Bingo! You can politicise it, like ESG was politicised, all that would do is divide the population into left/right political drones, forbided from individuality and self determination, instead leaving all the decisions to the controllers of politics.

I would rather celebrate diversity, equality and inclusions, take care of one another and nurture us all so we could all be and contribute our best to the community we live in. Not doing so, especially with AI looming is going to give the likes of Microsoft, nvidia, etc a free kick against humanity.

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*"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."*

Martin Luther King, Jr.

The alt-right loves this quote because they think they are being discriminated against today by POC and migrants. And they are very disingenuous about presenting it.

The reality is MLK was pointing to more fundamental problems than even skin color.

https://cityobservatory.org/dr-king-socialism-for-the-rich-and-rugged-free-enterprise-capitalism-for-the-poor/

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I would rather celebrate diversity, equality and inclusions, take care of one another and nurture us all so we could all be and contribute our best to the community we live in.

As would I, but you have to recognise that any privileges for the masses were dragged from the suffocating maw of the already privileged. They didn't willingly nurture us all and never will. We only have to look at industrial history, which I have done a lot of. There is a vast worldwide network of propaganda organs and corrupting donors devoted to the privileges of the super-rich, while there is nothing for the rest except a heavily distorted electoral system that doesn't reflect their views. If we are looking for equality of opportunity it starts by looking at this corruption, not at someone getting a piffling amount to start a business. That's what these people pay for entertaining a politician or regulator for one dinner. Let's wake up to reality, folks. We are being played, being set against each other with tales to make us resentful. And Edward Blum knows which side of his bread is buttered. He's taking the masters' shillings.

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The alt-right loves this quote because they think they are being discriminated against today by POC and migrants. And they are very disingenuous about presenting it.

Anyone who, like MLK Jr., believes in respecting people for their actions, loves this quote. MLK Jr. was a supporter of meritocracy. And DEI is anything but that. DEI is not fair. DEI is theft. DEI is immoral. DEI should be illegal.

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This whole ghastly spectacle is resultant through the need to wallow in the toxic poisonous world of identity gender, political virtue signalling, hiding behind the dishonest, dysfunctional ideology

Associated with a disingenuous branding, in the race to embrace a wholly duplicitous damaging deceit of fake diversity/equality.

A level playing field is needed, seen to be open to all, regardless of their race, gender, whether rich or poor.

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dagonToday  12:14 pm JST

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will **not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character**."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

The alt-right loves this quote because they think they are being discriminated against today by POC and migrants. 

Nice try. No one has ever said they were discriminated against by those groups of people.

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As long as they are white and, cough cough, "Christian". That is how it really works at too many companies in the US.

Not usually these days.

I still recall with a bitter taste in my mouth a cousin of mine saying that anyone who wasn't Christian could not be a loyal American.

That is not even remotely close to being the norm and if someone took that position they should be reported or shunned.

She said this to her former Naval Officer and security cleared cousin (me) who is emphatically not Christian. That is the darkness that those who are not themselves white and Christian face in the US.

I’m sure there are some rare situations of something idiotic like that happening, but overall, hardcore Christian fundamentalists are more the exception and not the rule.

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The alt-right loves this quote because they think they are being discriminated against today by POC and migrants.

Blacks always discriminated against anyone who wasn't black. In fact, doing so was beneficial for them as it actually made their neighborhoods more self-sufficent, lower in crime, and have a higher quality of life. However it's for that exact reason that politicians were deadset on "opening up" those same black neighborhoods and ridiculing "Blaxploitation" media during the 70's, as the Progressive politicians only survived as long as they had a class of people dependent upon them.

Although, these days, that class is the illegal aliens as blacks have become "White Supremacists" (Because, surprisingly, black people don't like living in areas that have high crime either). And if we're all being honest, if the only way you can "win" an election is buy importing millions of people who were never citizens of that country in the first place, that REALLY shows how much the populace favor your policies.

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Education, housing, the genuine strive for social justice, it isn't and will never be a "given", the real key is hard work and the ambition to succeed.

Not the colour of ones skin, cut of ones coat, or what dangles or not between ones legs.

That first rung of the ladder is education.

Access for all, however the results will be measured in how support from a Mother and Father pushes junior up that ladder.

A nation, tax payers won't be harassed and bullied into parting with their tax dollars without the confidence that some quota/affirmative action/positive discrimination programme wants to constantly change the goal posts to suit an agenda.

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That first rung of the ladder is education.

Agreed. Unfortunately, some people don't take the education opportunities GIVEN to them because doing so would be "acting white" That is a choice. A bad choice. And I don't want to subsidize people's bad choices.

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> and utterly subordinate to shareholder values.

The richest Liberals

As Piketty has stated, what is needed is an inheritance for all that addresses the fact unequal access to capital and rentier capital economics is the reality today.

Robbing Paul to give to Peter.

https://www.summit.org/resources/articles/fighting-poverty-why-redistributing-wealth-doesnt-work/

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Most DEI initiatives are indeed "woke capitalism"

No, the liberals started that crap, we're hiring based on race is the most important thing?

Einstein despite his intellect had a modest income and you will never surpass the trust fundies around you leveraging their assets at an early age into easy street

All of us have different upbringings, and if you really want to fight poverty and injustice, the best thing to do is become more self-reliant not depend on the government, get a proper education and learn a skill or a trade, contribute.

The alt-right loves this quote because they think they are being discriminated against today by POC and migrants.

They are.

And they are very disingenuous about presenting it.

No, it’s just the left wants to stick their hands in the sand and ignore the growing racism towards whites and Asians.

The reality is MLK was pointing to more fundamental problems than even skin color.

Very true.

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There are qualified black employees at my company, it is just that they happen to be immigrants from Africa and Jamaica, not native US-born African Americans.

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What's funny is that once you call DEI supporters out on something, they just change their tune.

DEI: "P.O.C. are minorities."

Reality: "Take, for example, whites and blacks. They both make up 15 to 20% of the world population"

DEI: "Well....uh...um... RACISM!!"

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At least I can enjoy being a member of the "oppressed and marginalized group" here in Japan. White folk make up less than 1% of the population here.

"It's SO oppressive!! omg! I... I... just can't deal with it! Here, Becky, take my Frappuccino! I can't eat with all this hate!!"

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The racist and sexist discrimination that is DEI is finally getting called out. Shame it took the anti-semitism protests and the subsequent Harvard Gay plagiarism scandal to bring it out into the open and pull quite a hefty amount of wool from some heavy eyelids.

The grift has been going on for years and bizarrely went into overdrive in recent years. No wonder many who stand to lose so much are pushing back - they know how lucrative and beneficial it has been and will not give all that up easily.

Just such a shame all the damage such discriminatory treatment has done and continues to do. Opportunities denied because someone is not the right color or sex. Or just scored too well and was too Asian. Have a look at university admission data for places like Harvard - it's absolutely shocking that has gone on.

Remember this is not just in the US, but it has spread globally (sadly America is the world in some many spheres, e.g. international education).

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I think all this diversity lark us a load of old cobblers. Good for the usual routine if divide and conquer though.

Well, it’s not fair if you’re denied something when your the best candidate is it.

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Paul Spira Today 07:05 pm JST

What is the alternative to DEI in your view?

I thought we had it with seeing each other as humans first and foremost. What DEI does is prioritize biological characteristics first and foremost in people's consciousness over our shared humanity. It is regressive. My view is all the colors of the rainbow have a place in the rainbow. DEI is about combining all these colors until they are the same color. So I ask you, which position is more respectful of diversity?

Do you disagree that society should be equal and fair and inclusive to all?

Sure I do. We are all, after all, humans are we not? But I do not confuse equality with equity and assume that people are just interchangeable units. Each person is unique with their own talents to contribute to society.

Or do you think some humans should have better lives and greater privileges due to their color or gender etc.?

I think some humans should have better lives and greater privileges in proportion to the responsibilities they take on within the larger society regardless of their color or gender. Someone who designs water purification systems should obviously be better compensated for their work than someone who hands out tissue at the train station. Yes people need clean water and tissue, so each is contributing to society in their own way. Yes both people are humans and thus deserving of basic respect. Yet one clearly contributes greater than the other. Equity assumes that the person who designs water purification systems and the person who hands out tissue at the train station should live exactly the same. Sorry, I can’t agree that.

But DEI fails in another way. There are tribal people in the world who are protected by law from contact with the outside world. Here the idea is that these people have their own way of life and a culture which must protected because these tribal people cannot protect themselves from outside influences. But playing devil’s advocate, I have to ask why? I mean, they are primitive people after all and would no doubt benefit from all the conveniences of modern life from TikTok to Marvel movies, right? Of course we understand that, they being a culture of their own, it is really for them to decide whether they wish to join the modern world or not and change their culture. Yet when I see people who promote DEI, they have no regard whatsoever for the culture of the place they wish to deploy their doctrine. This only appears to apply in Western countries. The same people do not complain that Korea is not being DEI enough.

So that's a big no to DEI from me. My own views are preferable.

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it is just that they happen to be immigrants from Africa and Jamaica

That never stops being the kicker, does it?

What is the alternative to DEI in your view?

Classic Liberalism and Libertarianism, where everyone has the same opportunity, required to meet to same standards, and we let "fate" decide how everything plays out.

Everything else you're proposing is bait. Otherwise you would not have the Gnostic argument of, "What you're doing is racism, and what we're doing is racism. But we 'understand' and 'know' that we're doing racism so our system won't have the same problems yours does."

But playing devil’s advocate, I have to ask why? 

It's to prevent them from suffering the Biblical fall of man. I'm not joking, philosophizing, or even exaggerating. Marxism, and all of it's offspring, is a religion. And combination of two older religions called Gnosticism and Hermeticism, but parade as an "economic theory".

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In America you can have obtain the highest level of education and still be looked over because of the color of your skin. You can get a PhD or become a doctor and still your accreditation will become of question as if you cheated your way to the job because in the eyes of the beholder and the mind set of white America even though you are a minority and educated you are still looked down upon. It wasn't until recently that white America had no choice but to accept Asians intelligence and they complained because many of them were getting into the top universities and they were not so they flipped the script and say ok why are the requirements different for blacks and Hispanics. Regardless of race discrimination will always exist whether in Japan or America a persons gender could be counted as a reason for not having fairness. We got problems!

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In America you can have obtain the highest level of education and still be looked over because of the color of your skin

Actually, companies are removing the graduate requirements because colleges and universities are producing nothing but broken individuals who cannot do anything except be political activists. Meanwhile the people already on the ground in the workforce have more skills and experience than "higher learning" could ever hope to teach, even long before they turned into indoctrination centers: https://archive.ph/vd5ns

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@First15 Higher education was thought to encourage critical thinking, problem solving and analytical skills which are not just about acquiring specific job skills but about being adaptable and able to handle complex challenges. Having a skilled workforce is important, higher education is not solely about job preparation. It aims to create educated citizens who can perhaps contribute to the society in many ways beyond their specific job roles. Perhaps this explains your reason for why companies are removing graduate requirements because those individuals entering college can not think critically, they lack problem solving and they can not acquire the analytical skills that the universities are teaching instead these students acquire skills to become politically motivated by other interest groups! It not what the universities hope to teach its the individual ability to grasp what is being taught, instead they are being politically brain washed!

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Higher education was thought to encourage critical thinking, problem solving and analytical skills which are not just about acquiring specific job skills but about being adaptable and able to handle complex challenges.

So all those people who went to college for the purposes of getting a high paying job were lied to, then?

Having a skilled workforce is important, higher education is not solely about job preparation. 

So, again, you lied to those people, many of them Asian immigrants.

It aims to create educated citizens who can perhaps contribute to the society in many ways beyond their specific job roles.

In other words, turn them into political activists.

Perhaps this explains your reason for why companies are removing graduate requirements because those individuals entering college can not think critically, they lack problem solving and they can not acquire the analytical skills that the universities are teaching instead these students acquire skills to become politically motivated by other interest groups!

That would be a nice theory if it wasn't for the fact that study after study continuously show that colleges graduates are consistently more Progressive than people who never graduated, which is an ongoing trend for decades: https://archive.is/XaNXD

It not what the universities hope to teach its the individual ability to grasp what is being taught, instead they are being politically brain washed!

Yes, being brainwashed by the universities, which require classes in DEI if you even you want to graduate at all: https://archive.is/YMX6m

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First15 Jan. 15 11:15 pm JST

Actually, companies are removing the graduate requirements because colleges and universities are producing nothing but broken individuals who cannot do anything except be political activists.

As someone who is a college graduate and has worked in a skilled trade, I have always found it sad to see such a divide between the two groups. The truth is that each side needs to respect the other. College is not for everybody, but that does not mean that those who don't go are idiots. There are many smart people working trade jobs, usually making great money as well. A friend of mine has his own successful trade business even though he never graduated from high school, let alone college. I know that the perception of those who have real world knowledge through experience, which is, after all, the best teacher, is that those who have a college education look down on them. I understand perfectly well, some "manager" with no real world experience who happened to graduate from college telling you how to do your job which you have doing for 20 years certainly frustrates. The frustration is natural.

I knew a guy who worked at a job 20+ years who could never be promoted to the level of supervisor because the company policy was that only college graduates could become supervisors. And so his boss was a 20 something college graduate who probably was not even born when the guy I knew start working with the company. He got the managerial position straight off without working his way into the position. That is a serious problem in my book. My view is that companies should only hire for managerial positions from within and, if a college education is necessary, help with the tuition as a business expense. I guarantee you will have far better management in place with such a system.

kaimycahl Jan. 15 11:41 pm JST

Higher education was thought to encourage critical thinking

Indeed, but when you have situations like today where colleges only allow certain positions to be presented, well, you are handicapping students ability to evaluate all positions. College more than anywhere is the place for a competition of ideas. The fact that colleges today cripple discussion is a disservice to the education system, but a boon to the indoctrination system.

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For those sad souls who believe DEI is somehow racist, you are wrong. Here is what racism looks like, my white college acquaintance and I walking down a street and seeing a young African American boy with new bicycle. My white friend says to the kid "hey, nice bike, where did you steal it". That is real life in the US and that way of thinking is not rare at all.

That sot of thinking permeates the US today. Lots of white Americans still believe they are the superior race and nobody else can be allowed to succeed. Whites put up every possible roadblock to non-whites gaining success and it didn't stop with Jim Crow and poll taxes. it continues today and the comments here are sad testament to the racism that infects the white race.

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Desert TortoiseToday 07:03 am JST

For those sad souls who believe DEI is somehow racist

No sadness on my part. Any set aside based on anything other than pure qualifications is racism. When you extol "equity over equality" that is racism. When colleges and universities discriminate when you put "Asian" on a college application because you're "supposed to be smarter" and the school has a higher standard for SAT scores because of this that is racism.

When one group gets a set aside for whatever reason, that is racist. But it's OK in your view because you have some anecdotes about some horrible people and you paint a wide brush against a whole group. That, is racist.

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When one group gets a set aside for whatever reason, that is racist. But it's OK in your view because you have some anecdotes about some horrible people and you paint a wide brush against a whole group. That, is racist.

Vero!

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Desert Tortoise Today 07:03 am JST

Here is what racism looks like, my white college acquaintance and I walking down a street and seeing a young African American boy with new bicycle. My white friend says to the kid "hey, nice bike, where did you steal it."

That’s a pretty good story. Your “white college acquaintance” seems to have lacked the education to not only not be racist, but to keep that racism discrete.

Now I have one for you. I went to a karaoke club in Japantown in San Francisco as part of my efforts to keep up on my Japanese. I sang songs in Japanese and spoke to the staff in Japanese, there were no problems at all. Then I noticed another customer smoking inside the club which is illegal as California does not permit smoking in establishments. But I know that some places ignore this law and so I figured that I could smoke as well. Yet when one of the staff saw me about to light up, she said, “Sorry, smoking is not permitted in here.” And when I pointed out the other customer smoking to her, she responded, “Oh, he is a special customer.” But as far as I could see the only difference between him and me was that he was Japanese and I was not. And when I said to her, “Well that doesn’t seem fair,” the lady simply handed me my bill and said, “Thank you for coming.” That too is what racism looks like. But DEI will tell you that only white people can be racist, please. That idea itself is racist.

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But as far as I could see the only difference between him and me was that he was Japanese and I was not. And when I said to her, “Well that doesn’t seem fair,” the lady simply handed me my bill and said, “Thank you for coming.” That too is what racism looks like.

No, you don't understand. Racism, according to DEI (Which is down stream from CRT), is only possible when it's done from a place of "whiteness". IOW, "Racism" only flows from the direction of "whiteness" towards "non-whiteness". It's impossible for people from a position of "non-whiteness" to be racist towards "whiteness". So the Japanese restaurant not allowing you to smoke is not racist because they operate in a realm of "non-whiteness".

Yes, it's a double standard. They don't care.

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