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Behind Airbus-Boeing truce lies a common rival: China

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The C919 was built with U.S. and European help. 

Yet another instance of the globalization-loving corporates and billionaires selling us down the river. A communist dictatorship will be the world's dominant economic force within our lifetimes. Thanks, globalists!

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A communist dictatorship will be the world's dominant economic force within our lifetimes. 

Never!

Long live capitalism!

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Stop the technology transfers and safeguard the IP. As with most industries, China is struggling to make their own products without outside help.

Jet engines and aircraft are a key area which they have needed to copy or reverse engineer everything, rather than innovate.

Yes there is a huge demand for aircraft in China, but even Chinese airlines aren't placing 'confirmed' orders for their own aircraft.

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Quick question: would you ever fly on a plane made in China?

I know I wouldn't.

It's not capitalism that's causing the problem, it's the fact that a key trading 'partner' is a human rights abusing, dictatorship with a goal of global domination.

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Never heard of Chinese planes crashing and killing women and children to the same extent.

They are being funded because, they are arms dealers.

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Short term gain for long term pain. Airbus and Boeing hold all the cards and need not transfer any technology. It would take China decades to catch up.

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With Russian help, China can easily create its domestic commercial aircraft.

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Quick question: would you ever fly on a plane made in China?

As opposed to a 737 Max? Maybe you don't want to hear my answer on that one.

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With Russian help, China can easily create its domestic commercial aircraft.

Lol, the Russians are in the same situation as the Chinese reliant on western avionics and engines. Their home grown kludge will not pass muster with western civil aviation authorities. That great big AN-124? Aka "Red Fred" (FRED is the nick name of the C-5 Galaxy, can't repeat what it stands for here though). It isn't even pressurized. Only the flight deck is pressurized. The rest of the airplane is unpressurized, the Russians being unable to successfully pressurize something that big without it being too heavy for a useful payload. It can haul cargo but not troops unless it remains below 10,000 FT MSL. Their high bypass turbofans are very sensitive to throttle inputs, especially throttle reductions and are easily stalled (a compressor stall in a turbine engine means airflow through the engine reverses, the compressor is unable to overcome pressure in the combustion chamber as it should). By comparison the recently re-engined C-5M has more power on three of its current engines than the C-5B had with its four older engines. That is the level of tech the Russians and Chinese both are unable to replicate. A few years back the Russians were trying their darndest to make a natural gas powered gas turbine peaker engine for electrical power plants so they didn't have to buy from the west. They kept detonating them in test cells and finally gave up in frustration unable to match the reliability of Solar Turbines superb equipment.

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If I knew that I was flying / sailing/ etc on anything "Made in China".... I would opt to go via another route.

The Chinese, do not have any notion of Quality Control, period.

You only have to buy stuff off AliExpress or Alibaba to verify that, as a fact!

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The Chinese, do not have any notion of Quality Control, period.

There is more to it than that. If you look up the 21 airlines with the worst safety records almost every one of them flies Boeing or Airbus airliners. Maybe only two fly Russian made aircraft. Maintenance and pilot training are probably more important than who made the airplane. MiG-29s have very short lived engines in Russian and Indian service where fully 3/4 fail before their scheduled 400 hour overhaul (compared to the 1500 to 3000 hour time between overhaul for US made tactical jet engines) but the US Navy and Luftwaffe were both able to greatly extend their 400 hour time between overhaul by dint of careful maintenance and some minor performance limitations. With careful maintenance both services were also able to extend the 1100 hour design life of the MiG-29 airframe.

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Desert TortoiseToday  08:30 am JST

There is more to it than that. If you look up the 21 airlines with the worst safety records almost every one of them flies Boeing or Airbus airliners. Maybe only two fly Russian made aircraft.

That's not a great example of reasoning. Combined Boeing and Airbus account for 91% of the global market for commercial aircraft, so of course by sheer weight of numbers they will also account for the majority of accidents.

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That's not a great example of reasoning. Combined Boeing and Airbus account for 91% of the global market for commercial aircraft, so of course by sheer weight of numbers they will also account for the majority of accidents.

I guess another way to look at it is this; there are still several airlines out there flying predominantly Russian designs but they are not over represented among the worlds 21 worst airlines. Choice of airplane does not seem to be a determining factor in which airlines end up having a miserable safety record. Measured in terms of mishaps per million flight hours the old TU-134 has a better record than the 727-200, DC-9 or A-310, and the Tupelov is an old airplane.

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