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Way to go China.

Further proof that the zero covid policy is the best strategy to limit the number of covid related infections and deaths.

The numbers prove it. Can't argue any other way.

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This is the best strategy when the country is vaccinated by an ineffective vaccine.

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The rigid strategy to root out virus cases at all costs has wreaked havoc on supply chains, crushed small businesses and imperiled the country's economic goals.

Not much to celebrate unless you schadenfreude is your thing.

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This is the best strategy when the country is vaccinated by an ineffective vaccine.

Is Pfizer, or Moderna considered effective vaccines?

Because the US has over 1,000,000 million covid related deaths, while China has about 7-15,000, so if one were to look at the numbers and choose the best strategy to prevent covid related deaths, it is not a difficult choice.

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Further proof that the zero covid policy is the best strategy to limit the number of covid related infections and deaths.

Shanghai have a higher death rate compared with other countries that do not need to trample on human rights, destroy the local economy and cause unnecessary deaths byt the disruption of health services, by definition this means the zero covid policy is not the best.

Is Pfizer, or Moderna considered effective vaccines?

Yes, as proved in countless countries that use them to greatly reduce the burden from COVID, including of course countries that have a lower rate of deaths compared with China. In comparison with the Chinese local vaccine the efficacy is much higher.

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The numbers prove it. Can't argue any other way.

Because the US has over 1,000,000 million covid related deaths, while China has about 7-15,000, 

Sketchy numbers, dodgey argument. You can do better than that. How about masks?

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It gets worse.

Mr Kim has said North Korea should "actively learn" from how China responded to the pandemic.

While most countries are now living with the virus, China has stuck to its zero-Covid policy of trying to eradicate the disease. Major cities, including financial hub Shanghai, remain under stay-at-home orders.

This has come at a price, with Shanghai residents complaining about their conditions, lack of food and poor medical care. Public criticism of government policies is rare in China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61450255

Zero COVID policy does not work.

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Shanghai have a higher death rate compared with other countries that do not need to trample on human rights, destroy the local economy and cause unnecessary deaths byt the disruption of health services, by definition this means the zero covid policy is not the best.

False.

New Zealand and Australia have higher death rates.

Trample economies? NZ fell into a recession during this pandemic.

Yes, as proved in countless countries that use them to greatly reduce the burden from COVID, including of course countries that have a lower rate of deaths compared with China. In comparison with the Chinese local vaccine the efficacy is much higher.

That is just an unsubstantiated opinion.

But saying the US had a lower death rate from Covid compared to China is just Comic Gold!

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That is just an unsubstantiated opinion.

No, it isn't

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Zero COVID policy does not work.

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@painkiller

China has been literally locking people in their houses with little food, using human oppression as a strategy. I would hardly call anything about what they’re doing admirable.

China’s vaccine has been proven to not be as effective as vaccines from the West, just look at what happened in Hong Kong.

Unless china is planning to isolate themselves from the rest of the world forever, their strategy is short term thinking.

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People should be locked down when there is still virus. We must prioritize our health because. We may have all the money in the world, but what will we do with them if we are already dead? #StayHomeSaveLives

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False.

New Zealand and Australia have higher death rates.

Already demonstrated as wrong, once the death reports are equalized to the system China uses to hide the number of deaths by COVID (meaning, only reporting deaths without any other disease) The numbers are comparable or even lower, New Zealand and Australia are not the only ones in that situation, a dozen other countries have the advantage over China by counting in the same way, and none have to use the zero covid policy (and cause secondary deaths) to do it.

Trample economies? NZ fell into a recession during this pandemic.

Yes, while under the zero covid policy, and recovered after discarding it, which clearly supports the argument.

That is just an unsubstantiated opinion.

You yourself have brought sources that prove this, even before equalizing the way of counting deaths, that means it is clearly substanciated by your own sources.

But saying the US had a lower death rate from Covid compared to China is just Comic Gold!

Well, the only one saying it would be you.

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Watch the price of oil/gas go up even more in the world as Shanghai opens up again.

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Spare us the theatrics. They look silly in those moonsuits.

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Zero COVID policy does not work.

How do you know that? Of course two and a half years after, to let come into mind that this would be worth a try, is rather late. Anyway, all your other ‘strategies’ will even work much worse, never ever reaching potential successes of a strictly applied ZeroCovid policy. So just learn it the hard way…

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How do you know that? 

Because of Hong Kong and Shanghai, clear examples of how it does not work.

Anyway, all your other ‘strategies’ will even work much worse

That is easy to disprove, other countries have less infection and death rates compared with China, this means their approaches work much better, not only they can control the dangers of COVID, they can also avoid secondary deaths because of the destruction of economic activity and disruption of public health services.

Countries like New Zealand have not only reached protection levels comparable with China, they have surpassed it.

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Hard lockdown after hard lockdown, the virus always rebounds.

Zero COVID policy doesn't work.

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Even low- to mid-income countries don't use Sinovacs anymore - it has lower efficacy compared to other vaccines

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3174162/china-was-worlds-biggest-covid-19-vaccine-exporter-not-any

China was the world’s biggest Covid-19 vaccine exporter. Not any more

Shipments have dropped off this year and Chinese vaccines no longer make up the bulk of supplies in low- and middle-income countries

That is partly to do with the availability of other vaccines with better efficacy data

https://apnews.com/article/china-gao-fu-vaccines-offer-low-protection-coronavirus-675bcb6b5710c7329823148ffbff6ef9

Top Chinese official admits vaccines have low effectiveness

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painkillerToday 08:28 am JST

Is Pfizer, or Moderna considered effective vaccines?

Because the US has over 1,000,000 million covid related deaths, while China has about 7-15,000,

The USA has so many deaths due to lack of leadership by the then president, when it was hit by the first infections.

When the bodies started to pile up, local officals introduced mask wearing, etc while the then president kept denying facts about covid from the experts and spread false information.

Pfizer, or Moderna are more effective vaccines with rates of above 75 %.

China has admitted their vaccine is only 50 % effective

Vaccines only reduce the risk of catching covid. It does not give you zero risk of catching it at all.

Vaccines help reduce the effect of covid and increases survival rate.

You can still die or suffer long term/permanent disability from covid but the chance is far lower than some one who has not been vaccinated.

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Because of Hong Kong and Shanghai, clear examples of how it does not work.

What statistical data do you have to support your opinion, in face of the fact that Shanghai has lower infection rates than Australia, New Zealand, and the USA for example?

That is easy to disprove, other countries have less infection and death rates compared with China, this means their approaches work much better, not only they can control the dangers of COVID, they can also avoid secondary deaths because of the destruction of economic activity and disruption of public health services. 

Countries like New Zealand have not only reached protection levels comparable with China, they have surpassed it.

This is absolutely false and it is sooo easy to disprove your constantly false allegations when statistics show China has fewer Covid related deaths than New Zealand and Australia, and has lower infection rates.

In fact, New Zealand and Australia have some of the highest rates in the world right now. Just because the Western media isn't highlighting that doesn't mean some basic research won't reveal that fact; and a medical professional would know that so we have their opinions to rely on too.

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Zero-Covid has failed. Claims that they are following the science is bunk. What any other country does or did isn't the point of this article. It is about the Chinese govt Zero Covid policy and what impact locking down residents in Shanghai for 60+ days has actually caused.

NotSo HungOver - a proud CCP Cyber warrior following the CCP playbook using a VPN which is illegal inside China. A few other posters in this article are also following the CCP Cyber warrior playbook. That's obvious. They are also called "Wolf Warriors".

https://japantoday.com/category/world/chinese-web-users-get-creative-to-dodge-covid-censorship shows that many, many, mainland Chinese are NOT happy with Xi's leadership around COVID.

We can read what Chinese people say thanks to the the great translation movement. https://twitter.com/TGTM_Official is their official account.

The account focuses on popular posts that it thinks can represent mainstream opinion in China.

Last time I checked, Twitter was blocked in Mainland China, so why do they care what is translated there?

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What statistical data do you have to support your opinion

It is easy, Hong Kong have had close to 10,000 deaths, Shanghai clear evidence of the destruction of the local economy, disruption of health services and trampling on human rights, this clearly proves the policy is not working since both things were supposed to be prevented by it.

This is absolutely false and it is sooo easy to disprove your constantly false allegations when statistics show China has fewer Covid related deaths than New Zealand and Australia, and has lower infection rates.

You prove this every time you bring any source, why insist on something you already know is false? Australia and New Zealand are not alone in this, many other countries do better than China once their death numbers are reduced to report only deaths without other diseases as China do.

In fact, New Zealand and Australia have some of the highest rates in the world right now. 

That is of course false, death rates are comparable (or lower) than China, there is no source that says they have any of the "highest rates" in the world. Having infections without disease, complications nor deaths is not a public health problem, it is the opposite because it means the risk from the disease is being controlled.

a medical professional would know that so we have their opinions to rely on too.

Yes, and they completely contradict you

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/apr/05/new-zealands-covid-strategy-was-one-of-the-worlds-most-successful-what-can-it-learn-from-it

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-omicron-new-zealands-response-still-one-of-the-best-worldwide-michael-baker/KBDLCKCPMQIPVTRRVLZAZS554I/

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