EU prepares to send petrol cars to the scrap heap


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Toyota still producing Land Cruisers with diesel engines for the world to inhale, while the EU is producing greener and zero emission engines.

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I guess I better get that Ford Scorpio 2.8l manual trans sedan I have long wanted to bring home from Germany before they all disappear.

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I read a report recently that EV cars have to travel 50,000 miles before they match the carbon footprint of traditional petrol/diesel cars.

I think the future is in the EV sector, but are they actually as green as we think? Is it just a case of the 1st world cleansing their consciences of guilt? It certainly seems that way.

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I am totally fine with petrol cars.

It's recycling dinosaurs, plants and trees--isn't that a good thing?

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So let's crank up the coal and nuclear power plants to generate electricity for next generation's "green vehicles."

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Europe's existing emissions limit of less than 95 grams of CO2 per kilometre

How many cars actually reach this standard? This standard is not enforced, is it? Just a quick Google, but here's a popular car in the UK, the Nissan Qashqai.

The most efficient in the range is the 1.5-litre diesel in seven-speed DCT guise: combined economy of 53.3mpg is strong, while CO2 emissions of 138g/km is competitive for a car of this type.

So 40% over the CO2 standard for a diesel, which have low CO2 but massive NOx and PM problems, is "competitive". The Qashqai is just a family car, a big hatchback styled after an SUV. Remember, it was the EU who facilitated VW with dieselgate and the maligned USA's EPA who discovered it. There is no point having standards that you do not enforce.

Electrification may be the future, but there are huge problems with it. The first 10 or 20% of people with offroad parking at home and no huge demand from others for subsidized rest area chargers may be easy, but after that the logistics start getting very difficult.

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Just a side thought.

Are they Also going to ban their military from having ICE vehicles?

If so this will be interesting

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Cars - fine, OK. Electrify away!


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If we want to keep life possible on this planet, the only future is bikes and public transport.

That's someone from a big city talking. Those of us living in remote rural areas aren't going to pedal the 150 kilometers to the next sizeable city and there is only public transport twice a day three times a week. 45-50 degree C summer days don't lend themselves to bicycling for ones groceries either. How about some more realistic ideas?

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This may be feasible in Europe but honestly, I just don't see it in places like Canada, large parts of the USA, Africa, South America, Russia.

In Canada at the cold winter temperatures on northern roads already ICE vehicles get lower K/l but one can ( and many do) carry extra fuel, not an option with electric and please no solar panels stuff, look up how long in full sun it would take a single large panel to charge a Leaf ( not to mention the extremely short days of winter providing little light in general).

I have family that live over 50 Kilometres from the nearest town, there are no taxis or public transportation, Greyhound stopped service in Canada leaving entire commutes cut off in areas with few service stations ( again carrying extra gasoline is very common) but even then a call to CAA and someone can bring gasoline but bringing a changing system and how long would that take on a cold -30C° winter night.

What I described is a well off developed country, now think of Africa, South America where the infrastructure isn't even 10% of what is available in Canada or Europe.

Far to often those coming up with these "great ideas" are clueless of how much of the world lives.

To give and idea, Around 3 billion people still cook using solid fuels (such as wood, crop wastes, charcoal, coal and dung) and kerosene in open fires and inefficient stoves.

Now there is a problem we should have been addressing long before.

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all ICE engines should be banned from city centers.

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That’s just an economic suicide attempt there and I am sure it turns out ‘successfully accomplished’ soon. Maybe, it’s of no use anymore to teach again and again, but you’ll just need the same amount of resources and energy to transport a certain amount of heavy masses , let’s say people or industrial goods, from a start point A to a destination point B. You won’t abolish that common sense logic and rules of physics, especially not you. lol

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It is farcical to enforce these rules on the consumer

Move the ICE vehicles to run on ethanol and enhance the efficiency and production of that fuel -better for the consumer and ecologically better for the environment!

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This will hopefully push people to move to cities to avoid the current range problems, ending the wasteful selfishness of single-family rural life ...the next step is banning personal vehicles altogether. No good reason people even need to commute in the coming remote work era.

You forgot to put "/sarcasm" at the end. OTOH, it can't be interpreted any other way, so I guess it was unnecessary.

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Toyota still producing Land Cruisers with diesel engines for the world to inhale, while the EU is producing greener and zero emission engines.

I don't know about Toyota's diesel engines. But, many modern diesels are actually cleaner burning than gasoline engines. Particulate filtration and urea-based NOx reduction keep CO and NOx levels quite low. While the increased, almost hybrid-like fuel economy far exceeds gasoline engine fuel economy.

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all ICE engines should be banned from city centers.

How then does a store in an area where ICE engines are banned receive deliveries of what they sell? The truck will come from hundreds, even thousands of kilometers away to make the delivery. Merchants are not going to like your ban. Do you now expect every merchant of every description to build distribution centers on the edge of the ICE banned area to transfer freight from the long haul truck fleet to electric trucks for final delivery? There goes overnight delivery / expedited freight. Same on the origin end of the logistics chain. Pick up by electric vehicle, unload at a distribution center, load on a hydrogen or ammonia fueled ICE truck, then stop outside the urban center, unload and load on an electric truck? How about just using alternative fuels to diesel and gasoline that will burn in an ICE?

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Send ICE powered cars to the junk heap?

Total hogwash.

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