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Samit Basu
The first Honda based on a GM/LG platform.
This is how far Japan Inc has fallen behind.
CoffeeCrusher
I have my own research & reasons for thinking this: Honda and Japanese car makers are better off being "late to the party" when it comes to EVs.
There are other battery technologies held by the Japanese and USA which surpass any Korean manufacturers technology. In my own opinion: there is an unsaid technological war now regarding the EV automobile industry. Korean manufacturing is to not be trusted- I think it will be bad for business and international securities.
The more American and Japanese technologies and business can continue to develop their own EV/ carbon reduction models of cars the better the industry will be in the long term.
You can do it Japan and USA!
Samit Basu
@CoffeeCrusher
https://www.drivespark.com/four-wheelers/2015/nissan-electric-cars-could-use-lg-batteries-011341.html
"We have opened to competition our battery business in order to make sure we have the best batteries. For the moment, we consider that the best battery maker is LG." - Carlos Ghosn, Nissan President.
But Honda went with LG battery tech in this deal.
Sindhoor GK
@Samit Basu actually Honda has no deals with LG. it has deals with CATL.
Sindhoor GK
@Samit Basu i don't know about that 2015 article but Nissan Ariya's batteries are developed by Nissan together with CATL.
Sindhoor GK
@CoffeeCrusher well, Technology wise, Japanese Battery technologies are the best right now and will be atleast for the next 7-8 years, but you know the problem with Japan inc, Japan inc aren't good salesmen and fail to compete in cost effectiveness.
kohakuebisu
In the US, there are things called compliance cars, which are cars a manufacturer only makes to get the average emissions of its lineup within emissions standards. These cars will be made in small numbers and are not designed to sell on their own terms. I suppose the easiest way to make a compliance car is to rebadge one of someone else's models, possibly an EV that GM makes already....
Samit Basu
@kohakuebisu
GM pledged to sell only EVs and fuel cell vehicles by 2035.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/business/gm-zero-emission-vehicles.html
@Sindhoor GK
This deal is an LG deal because GM's Ultium platform is a joint venture with LG and is 100% LG exclusive. So if Honda's using GM's Ultium platform, then Honda's using LG's battery.
Then how come European and American manufacturers don't use Japanese batteries.
socrateos
Doesn't Tesla use Panasonic?
Samit Basu
@socarateos
Tesla used Panasonic because of the 10 year exclusivity contract it signed back in 2009 in exchange for investment and low battery prices. After 2019, Tesla is diversifying, where cheap models get Panasonic and CATL batteries while extended range models get LG batteries.
@HillClimber
That's what I am trying to do here.
So why couldn't Honda of Japan provide Honda of America with product it needed? Honda Japan couldn't.
Here is the cold hard reality.
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And LG makes the batteries that go into badge-engineered Honda, it's that simple.
This is a badge-engineering deal; GM-LG vehicles manufactured at GM plants and have Honda badge slapped on them.