Honda and Nissan to begin merger talks, Nikkei reports

Don't do it Honda! Don't you dare sell your soul to the globalist parasites at Nissan, who not only make unreliable junk vehicles, but who are already in bed with Stellantis - the deep state’s favorite car conglomerate churning out overpriced plastic boxes on wheels that fall apart faster than their globalist agenda. I sincerely hope Honda think twice about this and elect to keep their independence, their reliability, their quality, and their integrity.

Don’t do it!!

Desperate times call for desperate measures. IMHO, at least one of them will be kaput before the decade is out.

No one, not even Ford, GM, Toyota knows how much of a threat the CCP is to their survival. The global market is totally assymetrical and in favour of CCP controlled autos, batteries, and automation. Wall street is the only winner out of the west.

Will they call it Honsan or Nisda when merged

Japanese corporate mergers, especially between giants, tend not to work out well. Corporate culture within each entity is too darn strong for harmony and cooperation.

So many articles praising hybrid cars and now, they are the culprit. Which is it? Hybrid cars are good and wanted right now, but the market has shifted and Japanese automakers have not! EV is what most people want but settle for hybrids because of the tag price, which has fallen significantly and will continue to do so.

Just make sure got necessary majority, try to get all necessary legitimation and critical position secure, just don't be like that French company.

DEAR HONDA,

You Are Making A Big Mistake.

Soon they will all be merged into one. You watch. The age of economic dominance of Japan is dead and this won't change the inevitable.

So, after illegally luring Carlos Ghosn to Japan to prevent him from merging Nissan and MItsubishi with Renault, Nissan's "new" solution is to merge with Honda.

Two, maybe three, very different corporate cultures if Mitsubishi are in the mix. After 25 years of more, Nissan still have not assimilated Renault and Mitsubishi into their business operations, and their vendors still are confused.

'Culture eats strategy for breakfast', is an oft-repeated mantra, but even epicurean Carlos Ghosn could not digest properly the company he put together.

This is going to be a one sided relation with Nissan LEECHING off Honda.

Zero surprise, both makers bleeding market share globally, natural consolidation. What's not being talked about?

Renault stock price more than doubled while Nissan's down more than 50% since Carlos Ghosn's merger attempt about 5 years ago = Carlos getting the LAST Laugh!

Good news for Toyota, now that Honda customers will switch to Toyota to avoid Nissan Engineering.

The ambition of Japanese conservatives to continue flooding the world with combustion engines and stop the electric revolution will fail.

All cars look the same these days so it doesn't really matter. Bring back the choices and colours from the 70's & 80's in today's technology.

Nissan make great, affordable, reliable cars. Mine has been going for 10 years without a single problem! Good luck to them.

More proof Mgmt. matters = how you go from being an EV leader in 2009 with the Leaf to a failed Organization.

EV is what most people want but settle for hybrids because of the tag price, which has fallen significantly and will continue to do so.

No... most people don’t want EVs, and the only thing falling faster than their prices is their reputation. EVs are plagued with garbage range in real-world conditions, painfully slow charging times, and prohibitively expensive batteries that cost more than a lot of new cars and degrade faster than a Huawei smartphone.

Would you like to go ahead and add to that their environmental hypocrisy? How about mining rare earth metals that destroys ecosystems, and let's not forget that the disposal of toxic batteries is a nightmare. EVs are overpriced scammobiles pushed by virtue-signaling elites, mostly not wanted by practical, everyday people.

Nissan make great, affordable, reliable cars. Mine has been going for 10 years without a single problem! Good luck to them.

A car that fills our atmosphere with CO2 is not "reliable". This winter is the warmest ever because of your "affordable" car.

All cars look the same these days so it doesn't really matter. Bring back the choices and colours from the 70's & 80's in today's technology.

Hear hear. I've ordered the new boxy LandCruiser in the delicious 'traildust brown'... peak early 80s aesthetics right there!

Nissan make great, affordable, reliable cars. Mine has been going for 10 years without a single problem! Good luck to them

You should definitely buy a lottery ticket with that sort or luck.

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This is a really bad idea. Nissan is a dirty company. #RememberGhosn. Furthermore, they need to do research about Nissan and JATCO, JATCO being the maker of their quick to fail CVTs. *Car guy here.

Honda's quality is definitely higher than Nissan. It's not model specific either. Honda is literally better across it's entire range of products. This merger will be a win for Nissan and not so much for Honda. My only guess is Honda is going after Nissan's production facilities.

STILL, this is a bad idea. We all saw what Nissan did to Renault. Mazda would have been a better partnership. Mazda has no interest in being BIGGER! They just make good cars.

Oh well...they'll never see these posts anyway. Not selling my current Hondas. They'll hold their value cause no one will buy a Nissan-built Honda.

A car that fills our atmosphere with CO2 is not "reliable". This winter is the warmest ever because of your "affordable" car.

A car that starts every morning, runs for hundreds of kms without needing a recharge, and doesn't spontaneously combust is reliable - unlike your overpriced EV that leaves you stranded in the cold because the battery tanks in freezing weather. And spare us the "warmest winter ever" hysteria. Climate cycles have existed for millennia, long before cars existed. Blaming the weather on working-class people driving practical vehicles while you get in your EV with a battery made from an environment-destroying cobalt mine is peak hypocrisy.

On your bike champion.

the merged plan should include closing plants in the US

As operating costs are the world's highest in the US while Americans' income is declining

Nissan ruthlessly removed Carlos Ghosn, the former CEO, should more than indicate the lengths J government will insure Nissan is never going to fall in foreign control no matter what the cost.

Ghosns feet bearing touched the tarmac before he was behind bars, a victim to J merciless form of hostage justice.

Datsun has a rich cultural history.

No surprises to Honda merger.

EVs the future, batteries just keep getting better on all fronts, along with cheaper and safer. Maintenance and operating costs so much cheaper and time savings.

Mercedes recently developed paint that will charge a minimum of 10K kilometers per year of EV mileage, Approx. 20K in Tokyo with more sunlight = '$Reasonable'.

its a business world.

its about efficiency and profit.

its about own place on the auto world map.

its nothing about feeling or some nostalgia from past.

Mistubsihi and Nissan are bad performers both in Japan and abroad.cars are outdated by design and often in quality.

Honda as a bike maker have killed their most successful product Cub because of green agenda.Cars are not appealing at all.Lets see australian sales for example-distaster.

world is changing.have a look at China at your doorstep.

if you want to compete to them you have to pay price for this.and this merge may be solution however unsure about outcome.

Carlos Ghosn karma?meaningless antirussian sanctions and complete withdrawal from russian market/both sales and local production/?loosing ground in China as well/both sales and local production/?zero innovation in your lineup?

bear your fruits.

@nickybutt is right about the Nissan cars' reliability. I don't know how it is nowadays, but when I had a Sunny coupé in younger years, an already old car and much used before, this car was really very great, didn't even need any repairs and had no oil losses either. I miss it really very much. On downwards German Autobahn parts this fine old buddy could even left the one or other Benz behind at 180 kph. Those were nice nostalgic times. Just stay away from me with all the EV garbage and speed limits and combustion car bashing. You just don't know what real driving is.

Good move. Neither company is especially compelling, Honda used to be, when Xiaomi can make a better looking Tesla Model S for 6 million yen. What happens when they start mass producing a Honda Fit/Jazz EV for 2.5 million yen? This is a crisis for car manufacturing in Japan. And Germany too, just look at VW.

The whole world of cars is being or about to be revolutionized. Electrification, self driving, V2H (electric cars as batteries to reduce your fuel and electricity bills). There is also the powder keg in the ME. Every gasoline car manufacturer must be praying against another oil shock, which is likely if Iran gets attacked. The last oil shocks did not have adverts of EVs driving past long lines of ordinary cars waiting at the petrol station.

Will they call it Honsan or Nisda when merged

Nah they'll go for 日本 :)

Honda, you will regret. See what Nissan is ready to do with Mr Ghosn just to block a similar business deal?

SauloJpnToday  08:00 am JST

So many articles praising hybrid cars and now, they are the culprit. Which is it? Hybrid cars are good and wanted right now, but the market has shifted and Japanese automakers have not! EV is what most people want but settle for hybrids because of the tag price, which has fallen significantly and will continue to do so.

Hybrid cars are fine, but you're wrong about most people wanting EVs. Many governments want them and are punishing car makers with heavy levies if they sell to many ICE vehicles in comparison to EVs. Naturally enough the car makers don't want to pay those levies, but most customers still want conventional or hybrid cars due to the range, charging point accessibility, fire, and cost reasons. As a result, EV sales have plummeted when subsidies have been withdrawn.

I wonder how badly Honda really wants this tie-up. Nissan has got a bad corporate rep these days, so Honda may feel like they're being forced into it due to bad government policy.

Net-zero insanity strikes again!

Redtail Swift Today  09:13 am JST

Mazda would have been a better partnership. Mazda has no interest in being BIGGER! They just make good cars.

I was thinking the same thing. Nissan is a poisoned chalice while Mazda kind of fly under the radar and do their own thing, making good, appealing cars.

Yep bring back Datsun. The world famous 120Y bother. The 200 Bomb. Classic cars.

Some hybrids are great, especially the Toyota ones. Most 1 million USD plus hypercars, F1 cars etc are hybrids. Expressions like "but the Prius looks dorky" were outdated even ten years ago.

Toyota own 5% of Mazda. There are factories in the US that make both Toyota and Mazda models. Toyota also more famously owns 20% of Subaru, hence the BRZ/86. The three of them add up to many more interesting cars than Nissan and Honda.

How will this impact my Nissan Tiida ?

I want answers !

According to the FT, they decided merger talks only because Foxconn showed interest in buying Nissan. To prevent a foreign company buying them they probably approached Honda.

@Nomad. Interesting. One of my colleague's husband works for FoxCom. She told me a few months ago that FoxCom was launching an EV manufacturing business in Taiwan so this checks out with Nissan's EV tech.

Considering I have owned a Nissan leaf for about 4 years now and it has been hands down the best vehicle I have ever owned I find it telling that the Nissan dealership I bought it from used is constantly bombarding me with "deals" on combustion engine cars. I have no interest in an ICE car yet their dealership remains focused on ICE cars in their advertising to me.

That kind of denseness leaves me with thinking Nissan would be best served if they trained their dealers to promote EVs to current EV owners rather than promoting ICE cars to those who have no interest in them whatsoever.

I hope Nissan crashes and burns after what they did to Ghosn sama. Speaking of Honda: selling my pearl (orange and black interior) 2010 Fit RS. Any takers?

Nissan was never really known for reliability.

They were known for reasonably priced high performance cars.

Ghosn deserved jail time, if only for the crime of discontinuing the BNR and DET series of engines, and introducing the CVT into all their new models.

Nissan tried to “Europeanize” under Ghosn, that is, making oddly shaped compacts and lost a lot of fans.