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Long COVID keeping 31,000 Australians away from work every day

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The ‘it’s only a flu’ sayers won’t believe all that before not affected themselves.

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When people are offered the choice to stay at home with full pay, they often take it. Especially when they are constantly told how they are so very close to death every day via mainstream and social media. The "Great Australian Sick-day" is alive and well in 2022...

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When people are offered the choice to stay at home with full pay, they often take it. Especially when they are constantly told how they are so very close to death every day via mainstream and social media. The "Great Australian Sick-day" is alive and well in 2022...

A comprehensive study published in the Lancet this month found that one in eight people who get COVID develop at least one Long COVID symptom. Per the article.

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I wonder when "Long COVID" will be classed as a disability ?

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When people are offered the choice to stay at home with full pay, they often take it. Especially when they are constantly told how they are so very close to death every day via mainstream and social media

Without evidence to prove this is in any way significative for the amount of people that is taking leave this is just a baseless supposition. Hardly any value as an argument.

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When people are offered the choice to stay at home with full pay, they often take it.

This is true; several studies have covered this matter, and it is not just relegated to Australia. The UK, US, are also countries where this behavior takes place.

Long COVID has already cost the Australian economy three million working days this year, 

Australia had a good approach when they enacted zero covid, but they gave up too early and as a result saw their infection rates skyrocket, and this is just one of the after effects. So in reality, the economic impact of easing zero covid policy has a delayed effect, which is what we are seeing now. This will also happen to New Zealand, which had success with its lockdowns, but did not have the resolve to stay with it, and suffered a recession early on, and then endured rising infections, and will feel the negative economic impact in the next few months.

The only way to sustain the zero covid policy is to sustain it. The WHO for example tries to maintain that zero covid policy is not sustainable, while China proves it wrong everyday; and not coincidentally, is the onky country to show positive economic growth throughout the crisis.

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This is true; several studies have covered this matter, and it is not just relegated to Australia. The UK, US, are also countries where this behavior takes place.

Can you present those studies? because you keep making an appeal to studies and experts and then recognizing this is false when asked for a reference. How much does this reason contributes to the problem?

Australia had a good approach when they enacted zero covid, but they gave up too early and as a result saw their infection rates skyrocket

That has been already demonstrated as false to you several times, the explosive growth of cases is directly related to the presence of omicrong, which caused the same in many other countries including China, which according to you means China abandoned the zero covid policy.

Australia stopped the zero covid policy when it became unsustainable, and did not experience this explosion of cases for months, until omicron arrived.

The only way to sustain the zero covid policy is to sustain it

Circular reasoning proves more than you have no argument for it. Having regular outbreaks with huge costs (in money, lives and human rights) to be controlled, only to have them appear again is not what something sustainable means.

This is the reason why the zero covid policy is not being defended by any international expert this year, nobody thinks it should be enacted.

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Can you present those studies?

Certainly can. And they are certainly easily available, in fact, public knowledge. Why?

because you keep making an appeal to studies and experts and then recognizing this is false when asked for a reference. How much does this reason contributes to the problem?

Another baseless accusation that proves you have no argument to support whatever claim you might be making now.

That has been already demonstrated as false to you several times, the explosive growth of cases is directly related to the presence of omicrong, which caused the same in many other countries including China, which according to you means China abandoned the zero covid policy.

Demonstrated by you saying it is true? We know well not to rely on such layman analysis.

Circular reasoning proves more than you have no argument for it. Having regular outbreaks with huge costs (in money, lives and human rights) to be controlled, only to have them appear again is not what something sustainable means.

Oh, you don't understand what a circular argument is.

This is the reason why the zero covid policy is not being defended by any international expert this year, nobody thinks it should be enacted.

This is easily proven false, and any medical professional well knows that the zero covid policy is being sustained by China, which relies on its international experts, and the results, which show the lowest rates of infections and related deaths in the world cannot be argued against--unless someone wants to argue that Antarctica has lower rates.

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I have a son in the UK with long-covid for the last year. Big health struggle for me. There are cases of long-covid becoming bedridden. Difficult for the families.

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I assure you the team of doctors im working with for my long Covid treat it very seriously, here in Japan. I think Japan will wake up to long Covid more 6 months to a year after this current wave because everyone is getting infected.

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Without evidence to prove this is in any way significative for the amount of people that is taking leave this is just a baseless supposition. Hardly any value as an argument.

Evidence? You've never known someone to take paid sick days when they could have worked? Do you need a study to know when your being mugged? The evidence is all around if you care to see...

One aspect that is glaringly lacking in ALL of your very many painful posts, Virusrex, are the many complex psychological repercussions to the world we now live in thanks to the exaggeration of COVID-19.

Before you stuff words into my mouth, I'm not denying that there is a virus and that it makes people sick. I'm not denying "long covid" either. I've had "long influenza" after all and it was difficult work for a while. I am pointing out that these things can, and certainly have (!), been blown out of proportion by the many institutions that stand to gain from it.

How many mal-adjusted kids have been put on unnecessary drugs in recent decades we will never know. But once you tell that child they have "ABC" syndrome, they certainly believe that they do and play the role accordingly. Some kids certainly do need medical intervention, some just need better guidance and less cause of anxiety in their lives...

The mind is a powerful thing. Look to the Stanford Prison Experiment if you need a study for that...

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I’ve never had long flu but I’ve got long Covid and I can tell you this has been shown to impact peoples lives up to two years. CRP is generally high with those with long Covid and hormone levels are all over the charts. There is an isolated case out Kobe university where they found Covid messed with the hypothalamus that would explain the prolonged symptoms for years and the hormonal issues.

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Evidence? You've never known someone to take paid sick days when they could have worked? Do you need a study to know when your being mugged? The evidence is all around if you care to see...

You need much more than just saying this happens sometimes, the evidence you need to support your comment is that this happens in any significative amount to make a difference for the numbers reported. Without that evidence you can't refute that the people are validly losing work days because of long covid.

One aspect that is glaringly lacking in ALL of your very many painful posts, Virusrex, are the many complex psychological repercussions to the world we now live in thanks to the exaggeration of COVID-19.

How does the repercussions in any way make less necessary for you to prove your assumption that this is just people taking unnecessary leave?

 I am pointing out that these things can, and certainly have (!), been blown out of proportion by the many institutions that stand to gain from it.

Again, you are just supposing this, have never proved it. Even after you were asked for evidence of it.

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The patient got back to baseline after 14 months

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JTC, “I wonder when "Long COVID" will be classed as a disability ?”. Answer: it already is.

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These include fatigue, heart palpitations, lightheadedness, stomach pain and difficulty concentrating -- known as "brain fog".

These sound like they could be vaccine side effects (e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221003581)

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wobot

the vaccine injured are treated very similarly to long Covid patients

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These sound like they could be vaccine side effects (e.g.

With the observed duration and severity? that would not be the case. It is not the same to have body aches for a couple of days after the vaccine than having them for weeks after recovering from covid. Health experts and doctors consider long covid a very serious public health problem, not the vaccine side effects.

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I'm quad vaccinated, still contracted covid (twice now), no long covid, but for sure it's a 'heavy flu like' symptoms, and certainly not in a state to work, at home or in office.

The strain floating around in London is the worst, I had to stay in the hotel for 90% of a work trip, what a waste of time.

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Looking at how other disabled are treated I am not optimistic. If I get long covid maybe move back with the folks and share expenses and live as frugally as possible with telework or some other job that is not physically demanding.

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Even if you have long covid here, most people can’t take a ‘sick day’ because you won’t get paid for it or lose your job. (Lived and worked in Australia for 20 years so I know the sick leave system).

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