Nissan, Honda to explore partnership in electric vehicles

The two best car companies in the world partnering will lead to awesome results!

"Even though they were very fierce rivals historically, it makes more sense for Nissan to get together with a Japanese company like Honda, rather than having these cultural wars with an alliance partner like Renault" of France, he said.

Yep, Renault might have pulled Nissan out of the frying pan, but then dumped them into the fire.

Wonder what they will call the alliance, Honsan, Nisda,, Nisonda?

electric car shall be a gimmick that never going to be successful. you need charging stations, strong cable network, stable electric supply, etc. Only G7 G20 countries can afford all these. and dont tell me you do the research and manufacture the cars just for G20 markets.

Tesla increased its North American charging network by over 10% in just 4Q of 2023. Charging stations rapidly rolling out, as gas stations close worldwide. Plus in US, +90% of charging at home now as ranges improve.

Reality, pure EV plays have too much demand, Tesla has millions of vehicles on pre-order with deposits, well over $100 Billion in value. They're battery and production constrained as are other EV pure plays in China etc.

Legacy makers like Honda and Nissan and others worldwide all have dealership and union worker issues with EV, none like it, less assembly work and servicing biz, plus they have no supply chain scale like pure plays.

Most don't know, India's micro vehicle market, scooters and 3 wheelers etc., now +90% electric for new sales, from almost nothing only a few years ago. EV will be everywhere, far cheaper, far less maintenance, far more environmental, and convenient with home charging.

Tesla estimates its charging business in North America will generate approx. $30 Billion in revenues in 2030.

Here we go again, BIG MISTAKE, my advise to Honda is be ready.

Think Honda could do far better, Nissan just a dirty biz culture, no real tech, lousy legacy cheapo quality etc.

EV will be everywhere, far cheaper, far less maintenance, far more environmental, and convenient with home charging.

less maintenance? yeah try spend 1-2 hours in the charging station every 2-3 days, doing nothing but looking at the screen waiting from 1% to 100%. please calculate how much time you spent there one year. Far more environmental? please go and check what china commies company did to Africa lithium mines, and how much coal / gasoline you need to burn to generate the electric for the car. Convenient with home charging? just go around the city, how many charging station you can get? and now you mention about home charging? how many house can get it? i need no to do the math to get the answer

Most consumers, over 90% charge at home, no time at gas stations in US, plus no oil changes and filters etc. Operational costs of EV about 60-70% less.

Tesla supercharging network, 20 minutes max if no line, for full charge. Businesses even more excited about EV, Tesla Semi will do $10B in new business this year, have many years of orders already booked.

reason entire industry switched in North America to Tesla charging network, as EV without access to this charging network not worthwhile.

Redemption

The two best car companies in the world partnering will lead to awesome results!

Where can I read about those companies? This article only mentioned Nissan and Honda.

Honda! Don’t do it, it’ll only make you sad. The divorce will be messy.

Hope they can stick it Toyota! Go Honda!

This seems to be misinformation "growing appetite for purely electric-powered vehicles." Car manufactures in Europe and the US are bust scaling back EV production plans as the market for EVs has peaked and there is little appetite from consumers.

This seems to be misinformation "growing appetite for purely electric-powered vehicles."

Are you suggesting that sales of EVs haven't been increasing year on year?

@Strangerland

I am very strongly suggesting that consumers have a strong appetite for hybrid vehicles not EVs.

I am very strongly suggesting that consumers have a strong appetite for hybrid vehicles not EVs.

Huh? Shifting goalposts much? You weren't talking about hybrids when you said:

"This seems to be misinformation "growing appetite for purely electric-powered vehicles."

Your claim was that an appetite for purely electric-powered vehicles growing is misinformation, and yet:

https://www.ev-volumes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/WW-K-6-2021.png

Clearly it's growing.

Sorry, was I not supposed to point out that you were wrong, and that this is real information, making your original comment the actual misinformation?

@Strangerland EV sales are slow, hardly an "appetite." Hybrid sales are surging; appetite.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-automakers-race-build-more-hybrids-ev-sales-slow-2024-03-15/

15 yrs after everyone else. Way to lead!1

The Nissan Leaf was popular, but mainly because the govt subsidized the lease so it was effectively free. Due to the way vehicle insurance works, having 1 vehicle is more expensive than have 2, so having the Leaf as a 2nd vehicle just for running around town was just a question of having a place to park and charge it.

Too bad the Leaf could be hacked from almost anywhere in the world, by just knowing the VIN. Huge blunder by Nissan.

Comparing sales for 2022 and 2023 for hybrids and evs would be a good place to start

Maybe limit also at first to Japan and US sales.

Not absolutely sure but recent news seem to be about shifting consumer interest (based on sales) from pure evs to hybrid

Toyota specifically seems to hit the jackpot

Something wrong with the citations above one is dated 2021 the other 2024

@Strangerland EV sales are slow, hardly an "appetite." Hybrid sales are surging; appetite.

You sir, are a master goalpost shifter.

Again, you were not talking about hybrids when you said this:

"This seems to be misinformation "growing appetite for purely electric-powered vehicles."

Which is clearly proven wrong by this graph that shows a growing appetite for purely electric powered vehicles.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-automakers-race-build-more-hybrids-ev-sales-slow-2024-03-15/

And whether sales are slow are not, does not change that they are "growing", which you claimed to be misinformation. Again:

Sorry, was I not supposed to point out that you were wrong, and that this is real information, making your original comment the actual misinformation?

@Strangerland

ap·pe·tite - "a strong desire or liking for something"

There is not a strong desire for EVs. That doesn't mean sales are not slowly growing, it means that there is not a strong desire. There is not a yearning longing for EVs but there is for hybrids.

ap·pe·tite - "a strong desire or liking for something"

growing

[ groh-ing ]

adjective

becoming greater in quantity, size, extent, or intensity:growing discontent among industrial workers.

Visual example of growth: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-automakers-race-build-more-hybrids-ev-sales-slow-2024-03-15/

@Strangerland

Come on, man. Just admit that "stagnating demand for purely electric-powered vehicles," is a more accurate statement.

Following Honda, Nissan too is switching from Chinese-owned Japanese battery company to Korean battery company to build its future EVs.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/nissan-looks-tap-korean-battery-supplier-sk-us-ev-production-yomiuri-reports-2024-03-15/

Nissan looks to tap Korean battery supplier SK On for US EV production, Yomiuri reports

March 14, 20248:53 PM EDT Updated 15 hours ago

TOKYO, March 15 (Reuters) - Nissan Motor (7201.T), opens new tab is preparing to tap Korean battery supplier SK On for its electric vehicle production in the United States, as it reviews its current supply from a Chinese company, Yomiuri newspaper reported on Friday.

The two best car companies in the world partnering will lead to awesome results!

Sorry - I can't see Toyota in the headline here.

All the best to Nissan and Honda. I am certain this new collaboration will produce far better quality EVs than those Made in China ones.

less maintenance? yeah try spend 1-2 hours in the charging station every 2-3 days,

Most car owners charge at home. Often taking advantage of super low overnight power rates using a Level -2 charger.

Many countries will be 100% EV soon, Norway, Israel, Australia, etc. New car EV sales surging, naturally they've built out robust charging networks. Consumers know EV far cheaper and easier to maintain than other vehicles, including Hybrid. EV Performance also FAR better.

Hybrids getting some benefit now because of EV supply chain constraints, that won't last long. Tesla won't have millions of cars on pre-order with deposits forever.