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Nissan pulls out of Trump emissions fight with California

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The Chair of the California Air Resources Board, Mary Nichols, has been instrumental in talking down auto makers from opposing California's stricter air quality standards. Most don't know much about her but she is well regarded not just with environmental groups but with industry as someone they can talk to and find agreements with. She is an excellent facilitator and negotiator and has been successful over the years at bringing opponents together to make agreements that have cleaned up California's air.

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Get out Nissan. Just get out.

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the California Air Resources Board

...has also been an obstacle to alternative options for solving air quality problems. Most notably, the deals it dies with polluters whiteant alternative, more effucient, less polluting forms of transport, eg public transport, cycling, and electric mobility devices. It's all cars, cars, cars to the CARB.

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.has also been an obstacle to alternative options for solving air quality problems. Most notably, the deals it dies with polluters whiteant alternative, more effucient, less polluting forms of transport, eg public transport, cycling, and electric mobility devices. It's all cars, cars, cars to the CARB

Where do these stories come from? CARB has been looking at pollution from everything including back yard bbq's, auto paint shops, gas lawnmowers, ship exhaust in the ports of LA and Long Beach and train locomotive diesel exhaust. CARB has been driving the replacement of diesel powered transit buses with electric buses and the replacement of diesel powered school buses with CNG powered examples along with requiring retired diesel buses to be scrapped and not resold so they can't pollute some more with a new owner. I am not aware of CARB ever holding up the development of a light rail system in the state. There are a lot of reasons some people in California oppose light rail systems but I am not aware of CARB being an obstacle.

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I don’t think the U.S. cares what Nissan thinks or does, more Americans are driving new Korean cars anyway.

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@Desert Tortoise

stories like these...

https://psmag.com/economics/why-people-are-not-using-public-transit

Personally, CARB is in the driver's seat to drive urban planning, taxing cars to fund public transit, and all the other measures that gets cars off the road. BUT, as you know their political game is reduced car emission, look at the battle they had with Trump recently where mulitple car makers joined in with Trump.

The question is, is CARB pro air quality or pro car emission wins. They have forgotten why they existed.

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I don’t think the U.S. cares what Nissan thinks or does, more Americans are driving new Korean cars anyway.

not really Korean new car sales are around 5% of the US market Japanese cars around 30%

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/salesfig_usa_2019

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“We continue to support improvements in fuel economy and a framework that incentivizes advanced technologies while balancing priorities like the environment, safety, affordability and jobs,” Nissan’s statement said."

Read: we want to sell high-margin, low-tech, full-sized trucks to sub-prime, climate-ignoring, financial illiterates while gas is cheap.

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New pollution sheriff in town

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stories like these..

A story which makes no mention of CARB whatsoever.

CARB doesn't impose taxes either, so again you are operating on erroneous data. The State Legislature writes the tax laws. Btw, I was on a citizens tax oversight committee in my city that was part of a ballot measure for a sales tax increment to fund street repair and the police force. Out job was to report to the citizens how their tax revenues were ultimately spent to ensure the city council wasn't moving money currently spent on streets and police to other city functions and backfilling with the tax measure money. The city needed to increase spending on both streets and police while keeping other city departments funded as before. In the process I gained a very good understanding of where transportation funds come from and how transportation funds are distributed among cities and counties in California. CARB is not involved in any of this. Most of your transportation funds in California come from the state's General Fund. Road fuel taxes are maybe a third of the funds we had and another third came from the aforementioned sales tax increment. Very little was available from the city's General Fund, the crux of the problem that led to the sales tax measure.

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It looks like a particular car company was backing trump, so he would help with the extradition of two Americans connected to Ghosn!!!

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@Desert Tortoise

That's the point, that CARB (despite the peak body for air quality), ignores all other measures that contribute to good air quality. It may not be their fault, and it may be entirely due to their political masters, but at some point, shouldm't the chair of CARB says, hey, we're not going to get anywhere by limiting ourselves to regulating 'cars, cars, and cars'.

How long have they perpetuated this cars mythology? Decades, and California, despite all the demographics and transport studies LA is still synonymous with private transport (cars). Or put it another way, if CARB doesn't initiate change, then WHO?

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I don’t think the U.S. cares what Nissan thinks or does, more Americans are driving new Korean cars anyway.

not really Korean new car sales are around 5% of the US market Japanese cars around 30%

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/salesfig_usa_2019

I won't personally intrude myself into this topic. It is ridiculous that I see everytime a positive Korean comment in this site gets immediately downvoted.

Nettouyos are really desperate these days.

It looks like a particular car company was backing trump, so he would help with the extradition of two Americans connected to Ghosn!!!

Butthurt to the next level.

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"Trump emissions"? Gotta be toxic...

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It is ridiculous that I see everytime a positive Korean comment in this site gets immediately downvoted.

I dont care about Korean comments either way, but just calling out an obvious statement that is incorrect.

while American cars are the most popular at around 45% of all new cars sold fact remains Japanese cars are a close second at around 35% Korean cars at around 7.7%. So no Americans arent buying more Korean cars over Japanese.

https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sales/salesfig_usa_2019

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That's the point, that CARB (despite the peak body for air quality), ignores all other measures that contribute to good air quality

Be specific, what measures of air quality is CARB missing? They look at every air pollution source, from the ships and gantries in the big ports to trucks, buses, railroad locomotives (there are emissions standards for them and only the cleanest ones are allowed in the LA basin), promoting electric hybrid locomotives over pure diesel for switchers, auto paint shops, furniture factories (paint fumes again), lawnmowers, off road vehicles, bbq lighter fluid, fireplaces, just everything. CARB and the California Legislature are the reason pretty much every car made in the whole world has OBD II. There is a lot of pushback in California to rail in general and specifically to light urban rail. Nobody wants a rail line nearby or a station. I don't know if you saw the buzz saw of opposition to a proposal from some bay area politicians to build denser housing along transit corridors.

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