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Old partner Nissan left sidelined by Renault-Fiat merger

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I have told you all, this was te intention, destroying the alliance, even the oyaji shareholders are regurgitating the same rhetoric : "It's an ill thought-out and badly conceived plan," fumed one source close to Nissan, who did not wish to be identified, in response to the Fiat-Chrysler "50/50" merger proposal that would potentially create the world's third-largest carmaker.

If Fiat Chrysler buys them out, that would be awesome stock news, stock index to check now to would be Fiat Chrysler

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Nissan is in serious trouble. They need the talents and vision of Carlos Ghosn to rescue them...oh, but theyve put paid to that.

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Nissan needs to buy its way out of this menage a trois. FCA is severely tainted, products line is ageing, and now without Serge, is going to be a challenge. No happy ending here, it's a poison chalice

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The press and business in France insist on this merger as a strategic move, carefully planned and which does not come out of nowhere: Renault and the french government have by now a far better answer for it's industrial development than what is remaining of the alliance with Nissan...

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LOL! How do you like that Nissan?

Let's see what J-government has to say about it!

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Nissan appears to be being kept out of the loop, which is unpleasant for Nissan and may create unnecessary distrust of Renault among Nissan people," analyst Satoru Takada at TIW, a Tokyo-based research and consulting firm, told AFP.

Simple, Nissan has already proved to the rest of the world that they cannot be trusted. I don't blame Renault.

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Really interesting to see where this goes, and I wonder how much of what has actually happened, the public will find out.

I have passed no judgement on Ghosn one way or the other. The man deserves his day in court. I see it equally plausible that he was totally shady making getting rid of him the only response, even with the current issues, as that Nissan totally screwed them, and deserve their current problems. And having worked with the French and Japanese, I see either one plausible. Could be a combination of both too.

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You reap what you sow?

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All I can imagine now is Simpson's Nelson character pointing and shouting 'Ha ha'.

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This is exactly what happenes when there is no more trust. Renault sees Nissan as potential trouble and as a company that follows their own medieval practices instead of a modernised aliance based ones.

This is exactly the definition of team-playing, one thing that Japanese corporations are lacking by a huge margin.

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Karma

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Hold onto that toilet seat as hard as you can, Nissan.

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Nissan appears to be being kept out of the loop, which is unpleasant for Nissan and may create unnecessary distrust of Renault among Nissan people," analyst Satoru Takada at TIW, a Tokyo-based research and consulting firm, told AFP.

You mean the kinda " being kept out of the loop" that Nissan performed when arranging to backstab and arrest Carlos?

It's an ill thought-out and badly conceived plan," fumed one source close to Nissan, who did not wish to be identified

Hmmm... Nissan deserves whats coming to it and no one with talent of Ghosn caliber is gonna be there to help this time.

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Make Nissan great again, well these are what happen beside Nissan sales that dropped recently.

It is a bitter pill to swallow for Nissan, which appeared to be completely left in the dark about the project 

And in any case, after 20 years, Nissan is too closely integrated with Renault to consider a divorce, no matter how low relations sink.

While Renault and Fiat shares went through the roof, climbing 13 and 18 percent respectively at the open, Nissan stock enjoyed a muted rise of just more than one percent.

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You reap what you sow?

It was Renault man Ghosn who sowed first by committing crimes.

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Nothing but bitter commentators here. I will still buy my Nissan, now and forever.

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Nissan deserve this action. With back-stabbing Japanese management people, this action is the right action for Nissan. Just the pot calling the kettle black. Now, all bad people at Nissan will learn , its well-deserved lesson. Which should be coming actually from the Good & Honest Japanese people. Nissan deserved it, to be side-lined.

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Nissan kept out of the loop because Nissan would sabotage (ironic word is French) the deal.

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For some economic analysts, knowing Ghosn very well by playing a historical role as co-initiator and co-developer of the Nissan-Renault--Mitsubishi alliance, they believe that: Ghosn would never have agreed to set up a new alliance without consulting each other and preserving the interests of the alliance Nissan-Renault-Mitsubishi

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The car business is going through a massive transformation from an internal combustion engine to a computer basically. And this is going very fast.

I bet most of the car companies will die soon if they cannot make U-turn fast, even big German luxury ones.

Company ego and job retention will be the most damaging factor.

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From the adamantly pro-Japan, techno-nationalist perspective I guess this is disastrous news. For people who know the car industry well, I have a question: Would it be possible for Nissan to not just survive but thrive if it broke away from all these alliances and again became a fully independent company like it was before 1999?

The pro-Japan techno-nationalists appear to be convinced this is possible, based upon some pseudo-scientific notions of the superior Japanese work ethic and dedication to craftsmanship. But in reality could Nissan do well on its own?

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You can tie together 2 or even 3 rocks. They will all still sink.

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Nissan should declare independence and sideline stupidity.

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Karma

Karma indeed. In fact it's poetic justice, with an added bonus. The world is becoming enlighted to Japans good for nothing justice system.

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For some economic analysts, knowing Ghosn very well by playing a historical role as co-initiator and co-developer of the Nissan-Renault--Mitsubishi alliance, they believe that: Ghosn would never have agreed to set up a new alliance without consulting each other and preserving the interests of the alliance Nissan-Renault-Mitsubishi

Too bad that Nissan got rid of Ghosn, the only man as you said, that could have intervened in favor of the Japanese companies. Oh well, karma is a b****

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Can't Nissan just buy out Renault? Do they really want to be a part of a team of losers??

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“Nissan and Renault, with headquarters 10,000 kilometres (6,000 miles) apart and very different histories and cultures, have always been seen as unlikely bedfellows”

Ahhh...., the old tyranny of distance argument trotted out yet again to rationalize Japan’s hostility to penetration by outsiders. Not a hint of it though when it’s Japanese takeovers of foreign firms, in which case it’s totally benign, worthy of commendation, and how dare you suggest otherwise.

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FCA is rudderless without the late CEO Marchione.

It’s sad for Nissan to be paired with 2nd tier car makers

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Nissan has nothing to gain by adding FCA in the alliance. All Nissan will gain is headaches in fixing engineering f—ups in Chrysler and Italian cars.

if Fiat-Chrysler-Alfa Romeo cars become as reliable/durable as Nissan’s as result of the alliance, then so be it

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Nothing but bitter commentators here. I will still buy my Nissan, now and forever.

Ha. Well, your in luck. Nissan cars are about to get much cheaper. Think daihatsu prices...

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