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U.S. employers wrestle with COVID vaccine requirements

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Viruses don't care about our privacy. While there is a pandemic, the health of everyone is more important than our individual privacy.

The shots are free and extremely effective. If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, I'd rather they weren't passing on COVID on the vegetables for the safety of consumers. In an office, if someone isn't vaccinated, then they are a danger to all the other workers who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. Seems selfish. There are hundreds of millions of people who have been vaccinated with a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction showing any unexpected side-effects.

When it comes to fighting a pandemic virus, we really are all in this together. As individuals, our part is to take known safe and effective vaccines while more formal regulatory approvals are being worked. No vaccine can say that 10, 40 yrs from now there won't be some negative impact. But we know that covid is deadly today. That's a real risk NOW.

If they have trouble hiring people, then they need to pay more. That means the output for whatever they help create/sell needs to cost more. The McD's on the corner has a sign - $13/hr starting wage. That's very close to my salary with an engineering degree including passing the EIT exam from a top 10 school fresh from college working in my field!

I'm thinking the US need a national vaccination law for all the normal vaccines - to protect all of us.

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That troubles Alix Mayer, the president of the California chapter of Children's Health Defense, which is skeptical of the vaccination effort.

The organization is not skeptical of vaccination efforts, it is a famous antivaxxer radical group that promotes all kinds of false information that endanger the public as long as they can oppose all and every kind of vaccines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense

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The organization is not skeptical of vaccination efforts, it is a famous antivaxxer radical group that promotes all kinds of false information that endanger the public as long as they can oppose all and every kind of vaccines.

No, they try to uncover scientific data covered up by big pharma. Instead of relying on pharma funded hit pieces, people should make up their own minds:

childrenshealthdefense.org

Anyway, it doesn't make much sense to force people to take an investigational vaccine that has only been authorized for emergency use. It is clear that widespread deception has been used to get this authorization, including the dishonest vilification of very safe, effective, and cheap medications. We now know, though it is not widely talked about, that the spike protein and lipid nanoparticles from the mRNA vaccines quickly spread throughout the body and accumulate in the ovaries, brain, spleen, liver.... Considering this, the virus' very low fatality rate for healthy people, the availability of safe and effective medicines, and the fact that vulnerable people can get the vaccine if they want to, it makes no sense to force someone to take such a risky product whose longterm effects remain unknown.

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No, they try to uncover scientific data covered up by big pharma. Instead of relying on pharma funded hit pieces, people should make up their own minds:

As demonstrated they use false information repeatedly in their campaings against all vaccines, even after it is demonstrated as false to them, lying on purpose to convince other people you are right is not a valid way to do it and why this organization is qualified as a source of disinformation.

Anyway, it doesn't make much sense to force people to take an investigational vaccine that has only been authorized for emergency use

If the vaccine lowers the risk of complications (including long term) and death of course it makes sure. Believing the whole scientific and medical community is trying to deceive people in order to make them (including their own family and friends) use supposedly unsafe vaccines is a nonsense conspiracy, it is only believable to people that put money above the lives of their "loved" ones, but any rational people can easily see it has no merit.

You never produced evidence that say the vaccines cause even a fraction of the accumulation of spike protein compared with the natural infection, according to your reasoning the vaccine (with its much smaller content) is even more necessary because it helps preventing the virus from causing much more of the protein (and live viruses) to circulate and accumulate all around the body.

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You never produced evidence that say the vaccines cause even a fraction of the accumulation of spike protein compared with the natural infection...

It's not just the spike protein, but also the lipid nanoparticles that accumulate at high concentrations. Natural infection does not produce such lipid nanoparticle.

I already gave you a link to a video that included Dr Robert Malone, the creator of the mRNA vaccine technology, discussing these safety issues.

This included information based on a Japanese biodistribution study which had been kept from the public. Dr. Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist, obtained the documents through a freedom of information request made to the Japanese government for Pfizer data.

The public was led to believe that the spike protein produced by the mRNA vaccines remained at the injection site and was not biologically active­, even though regulators worldwide had all of this data which shows the opposite is true.

If you bothered watching the video, you’d know all that, it was very clearly explained. But if you still want the actual data rather than rely on the creator of the mRNA technology explaining it, then here it is, knock yourself out:

https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-government-pdf#page=23

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It's not just the spike protein, but also the lipid nanoparticles that accumulate at high concentrations. Natural infection does not produce such lipid nanoparticle.

"high concentrations"? sorry but imaginary things are not facts, there is no evidence whatsoever that the lipids even accumulate, much less in anything above barely detectable levels, if you have to use false information to defend your point it would be better just to give up already.

Robert Malone has exactly zero evidence that points to anything pathogenic going on, in science that is the only thing that matters, not who is saying something but based on what, the problem with people used to religious beliefs is thinking "important" people can just make up things without any evidence and it has to become dogma, science is the opposite.

The public is being mislead now, not before, because no expert ever assume the local delivery to be perfect, trace amounts are going to disperse from the site and that has no biological importance, Bridle also has zero information that indicates pathology, it only indicates something completely expected, normal and innocuous according to the evidence from millions of people already vaccinated.

Once again, if you have to use a debunked document mis-characterized to make it appear as if it is related to the IM delivery of the vaccine to prove your point, you are already accepting that you are wrong.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-safe/fact-check-no-evidence-spike-proteins-from-covid-19-vaccines-are-toxic-idUSL2N2NX1J6

"Research shows that spike proteins (here) remain stuck to the cell surface around the injection site and do not travel to other parts of the body via the bloodstream, they added. The 1% of the vaccine that does reach the bloodstream is destroyed by liver enzymes."

The study co-author, David Walt (here), denied this. “Bridle is taking our results and completely misinterpreting them,” he wrote in an email to Reuters.

We can confirm the document does not make any reference to spike proteins from the vaccine resulting in dangerous toxins that linger in the body – this claim is incorrect”, the spokesperson said.

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