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South Korea to fine Nissan for alleged bogus emission data

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By YOUKYUNG LEE and YURI KAGEYAMA

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Sounds like they got it right, though of course wingers will throw logic to the wind and just get angry that it's SK catching Japan in the lie, and so deny it.

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“Nissan has not and does not employ illegal defeat or cheat devices in any of the cars that we make,” it said in a statement.

Pattern of Japanese habitual denial.

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¥¥1,176.9 per US dollar. ¥¥330M = $283,480

Lots of emissions and mileage cheats these days it seems.

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All of this emissions and fuel economy stuff has been ropey from the beginning especially diesels, of course all the manufacturers play little games and figure ways to make things look better in the tests which are often totally irrelevant for real world situations.

I also think as with all things it seems these days this is probably driven from an industry, in this case a car making country vs another car making country than any real concern for the environment or customers.

People demand bigger heavier cars all the time and some how magically to defy physics.. odd isn't it.

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Lots of emissions and mileage cheats these days it seems.

What companies are you talking about? "lots" implies many and there haven't been "lots".

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smithinjapan

Sounds like they got it right, though of course wingers will throw logic to the wind and just get angry that it's SK catching Japan in the lie, and so deny it.

Your problem SmithinJapan is that you see South Korea as something better than Japan.

The truth is that they are same sides of the same coin. They both practice currency manipulation, they both practice ' beggar thy neighbor` economic policies and they both practice the same financial mercantilist policies of xenophobia and scare-mongering the domestic market into buying only something that is domestically made.

Korea 25 years ago used to be worse. If somebody bought a foreign made car, they were sure to get their tax affairs closely scrutinized by the Korean inland revenue.

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"The ministry said it will fine Nissan Korea Co. 330 million won ($28,000) and recall 814 Qashqai vehicles sold since November"

So, Nissan sold 814 vehicles in Korea in the past half year. Wow!

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All auto experts expressed the opinion that it was clearly a manipulation of the emissions reduction device,” he said.

Shouldn't this read "All Korean auto experts.....?"

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And the good ole mileage plot thickens, I wonder whose name will pop up next!

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Nissan learned nothing from Volkswagen

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http://www.dw.com/en/car-emissions-irregularities-widely-spread/a-19208404

http://www.bild.de/auto/auto-news/abgase/das-kleingedruckte-im-dobrindt-report-45507430.bild.html (German, lists the cars and percent over and under standard) (a negative is better than a positive test)

Many cars on the list and actually VW has some of the better performers.

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Any time i look at a car fuel efficiency, i take 20% off their figures.

That way i know it is more like real life fuel efficiency.

Unlike the indoor rolling road used to test their cars i drive on a normal road with things like wind drag and road friction (no two roads surface is the same).

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well the EU found no wrongdoing and SK did!? seems somebody isn't correct. considering the tiny amount of vehicles Nissan actually sells in SK it's no real loss. I think its more that SK automakers are becoming more butthurt as companies like Toyota Nissan Honda continue to outgrow them in the world market. Ive worked in the auto industry for over 20yrs and I can tell you SK cars are junk! only good for rental cars and taxis as they fall apart break down after 3~4years, and we won't even mention their resale value and how quickly they depreciate

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Gary Raynor: "Your problem SmithinJapan is that you see South Korea as something better than Japan."

Well, then, that would make YOUR problem being gross generalisations. I don't consider Korean cars or the automotive industry in general at ALL superior to the Japanese. In fact, until recently, I considered Japanese cars and automakers to be the top in the world. Now, with all the scandals, I'm not so sure anymore. On the other hand, any and every time some outside group or nationals say something critical about something Japanese it is met INSTANTLY with denial, and most especially if from China or South Korea.

But I stand behind what I said that in this case it sounds like they've got it right; they presented the how and why, and with all the denials by car companies these days about everything under the sun, I have no doubt Nissan has trumped up its emission data as well.

"The truth is that they are same sides of the same coin. They both practice currency manipulation, they both practice ' beggar thy neighbor` economic policies and they both practice the same financial mercantilist policies of xenophobia and scare-mongering the domestic market into buying only something that is domestically made."

Never once have I said that is not the case, but feel free to point out where I have. Until then, as I said, you are wrong in your generalisations.

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According to the same report Nissan is among one of the many 17 car makers of diesel cars, including Land Rover’s Range Rover Evoque, Volkwagen’s Golf, Ssangyong’s Tivoli, KIA’s Sportage and Audi’s A3 discharged from 1.6 to 10.8 times more nitrogen dioxide than the standard. Renault Samsung’s QM3 emitted about 17 times more nitrogenous compound than the standard, the highest level followed by Nissan’s Qashqai.

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Sounds like they got it right, though of course wingers will throw logic to the wind and just get angry that it's SK catching Japan in the lie, and so deny it.

It's not "catching Japan in the lie." Nissan is not an agency of the Japanese government. Nissan is no more "Japan" than "General Motors" is "America."

It's not even "catching a Japanese company in the lie." Did you see the coverage of Nissan taking over Mitsubishi motors? Did you take note of who the Japanese televisions stations were interviewing as the head of Nissan, the person who decided that Nissan would take over Mitsubishi Motors?

The man being interviewed, the man who made the decision that Nissan would take a de facto controlling interest in Mitsubishi Motors is Carlos Ghosn.

That's not a very Japanese sounding name, right?

Indeed, he's not Japanese but he's the ultimate head of Nissan because Nissan is controlled by Renault a French company.

So, assuming that the SK charge is correct, you should have said "it's SK catching the French-controlled Nissan company in the lie."

While in formal terms the Nissan-Renault arrangement is called an "alliance," it is Renault that calls the shots and the Brazilian born Ghosn is the ultimate head of Nissan.

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Nissan learned nothing from Volkswagen

Probably more to due with trying to hurt the Nissan brand after it becomes a behemoth with taking over Mitsubishi and it causes problems for the Korean market.

Nissan is poised to become the worlds No.3 automaker jumping over GM. Politics at work in the background here too I'll bet.

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bullfighter: "That's not a very Japanese sounding name, right?"

So, Nissan and Mitsubishi are not Japanese, is what you're saying. How about Honda? Toyota? You can get into semantics all you like, but the bottom line is they are Japanese companies, the lot of them. Can't just call them something else when it's a scandal but be proud that they are Japanese.

And once again, not a word on the topic at hand, bullfighter. You've not changed a bit since your last handle.

Like I said, though -- anything to deflect from the fact that Nissan seems to have fudged the records, pointed out by South Korea.

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Why the readers here are not checking the reports more thoroughly? Among those car makers being investigated majority are South Korean, French, German and Japanese companies. These scandal regarding manipulation of emissions tests happens in all car making countries in Europe, America and Japan so it is just unique in Japan only.

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"Like I said...." "like I said..."

You must get punched in your fat nose every once in while, don't you ?

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Just a bit of a comment on the article itself

device stopped operating when the engine’s temperature reaches 35 Celsius (86 Fahrenheit), about 30 minutes after the engine began to work.

So they are infering that it takes 30 minutes for an engine to reach 35 C.

That doesn't stand to reason!!

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bullfighter: "That's not a very Japanese sounding name, right? Indeed, he's not Japanese but he's the ultimate head of Nissan because Nissan is controlled by Renault a French company."

So, you're saying Nissan is not a Japanese company.

You can't be blaming it on foreigners when scandal time rolls around and be proud of Japanese cars the next, my friend.

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I don't always read JT articles, but when I do I believe everything it says because everyone writes 100% objective news articles.

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You have to think about the timing of this sudden announcement, and why Nissan seems to have been singled out, and I think Yubaru above is on the money.

Fear of this new Nissan-Mitsubishi conglomerate threat, and a desire to point out that Nissan is not quite the Mr Clean that the news has been portraying.

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The same results were announced by the British authorities about 3~6 months ago in which 26 brands all failed the test due to the very same cause.

What took them so long?

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@garymalmgren

Agreed, this article makes no sense at all. Optimum operating temp for a diesel is in the 85-90 degree Celsius range. I'll wait for the actual tech report.

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garymalmgren

"So they are infering that it takes 30 minutes for an engine to reach 35 C. That doesn't stand to reason!!"

They are talking about intake air temperature. Engine room does get hot when engine's running. When it's summer time, you are exceeding 35C from the start.

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Team A: Japanese just don't want to admit they screwed up, especially if a country like S. Korea is highlighting it. Team B: This is just S. Korea's way to bash the Japanese, cash on it, and promote S. Korean automobiles. Which team are you?

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Some interestimng fact: the Nissan Qashqai cars was built in the UK at the Sunderland plant and testing by U.K and EU found no evidence of cheating. Basically the cars was built by the British.

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Yubaru, exactly while Nissan and joined with Renaut and now Mitsubishi, SK carmakers are increasing getting worried as Japanese carmakers continue to grow and grab world market share. Dont see anybody lining up to join with Korean makers, who can blame them, they make junk.

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Azrul Hakim

Interesting so is this some kind of retaliation against British made cars only that there are no British brands so they targeted Nissan that was made in Britain because of Britain test naming Hyundai?

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Yubaru, exactly while Nissan and joined with Renaut and now Mitsubishi, SK carmakers are increasing getting worried as Japanese carmakers continue to grow and grab world market share. Dont see anybody lining up to join with Korean makers, who can blame them, they make junk

Based on what evidence Korean makers make junk? Looking at Consumer Reports and other automobile rating magazines, it's Nissan that's actually making junk, with so many of their models being recommended as don't buys. I don't think Korean makers are really worried about Nissan enough to make up stuff. Nissan only sold 800 of those cars in Korea last year.

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So, you're saying Nissan is not a Japanese company. You can't be blaming it on foreigners when scandal time rolls around and be proud of Japanese cars the next, my friend.

Basically, I have no interest in cars and have not owned one since 1989. And, as others have pointed out, the particular model in question apparently comes from the UK.

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if this happened i any other country, Nissan wold be more cooperative, but many Japanese still see South Korea as beneath them. Good job on SK for calling out Nissan's BS, they are a garbage car company

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Today I learned that, following the dieselgate scandal, South Korea issued stricter emissions guidelines. However, these guidelines allegedly were shared only with domestic automakers, and not with importers. According to a reliable source at Nissan, the company “never received these guidelines.” Ignorance of the guidelines does not protect from punishment:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2016/05/16/vw-daimler-nissan-mitsubishi-gm-can-we-finally-agree-that-dieselgate-is-an-industry-problem/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix#64737bfe245e

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garymalmgrenMay. 16, 2016 - 10:11PM JST Just a bit of a comment on the article itself device stopped operating when the engine’s temperature reaches 35 Celsius (86 Fahrenheit), about 30 minutes after the engine began to work So they are infering that it takes 30 minutes for an engine to reach 35 C. That doesn't stand to reason!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You are right, that doesn't stand to reason at all. Any engine will reach it's operating temperature well before 30 minutes is up. 35 degrees is just a warm day in Japan.

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if this happened i any other country, Nissan wold be more cooperative, but many Japanese still see South Korea as beneath them. Good job on SK for calling out Nissan's BS, they are a garbage car company

The good old inferiority complex by the Koreans.

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