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Suzuki denies cheating on fuel, emissions testing

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Oh dear- the automotive industry is Japan's last defense. It's lost everything else to the other asian and american markets- smartphones, appliances, TV sets... If the auto industry gets shot, it'll be curtains for Japan's business environment.

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Oh dear, are seeing the beginnings of a domino-effect like exposure for the auto industry? There's a good chance that innocent companies might get sucked into this so Toyota and the other majors should take some proactive action to distance themselves from this, unless of course they've been cheating as well

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a bit of hyperbole there aly. you're talking about small car manufacturers, not the heavyweights. i fail to see how toyota, honda or nissan could be pulled down by these cheating scandals. even toyota bounced back relatively quickly after the acceleration scandal a few years back.

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Gosh...is there any big company left in Japan that is not involved in data falsification, report faking, mislabelling, consumer deception, corner cutting and corruption at all? J- Inc has truly put to rest any notion of the " honourable Japan" myth that was cultivated in the past and that so many foreigners misguidedly admired in the years gone by. The number of scandals in here is getting ridiculous.

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ANOTHER Japanese company and another scandal. Maybe bullfighter can come on again and try to explain that it was a foreign element that is responsible, again, and that the company is not really Japanese, or whatever hogwash it was in yesterday's scandal.

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And the good ole mileage plot thickens, I wonder whose name will pop up next!

Above is what I wrote on Monday in another thread, MAN I didn't expect an answer so soon!!!

Come on Japan you CAN & SHOULD be doing better than this!

And now, I wonder whose name will pop up next?

Damn I hope I don't beat the above record of 2days.........yeow!

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The last bastion of Japan's economy, the car industry is about to go the way of the electronics industry - what hope will there be for Japan not to devolve into a developing nation.

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The more international countries and companies get the more scandals appear. Japan has been given a free ride for too long. Glad to see these come to light. Now, maybe something will be done.

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@Aly

It's lost everything else to the other asian and american markets- smartphones, appliances, TV sets.

I don't know how you arrive at such a conclusion, but just from what I know of, Canon, Sony, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, etc. are doing very well in the photography business. Samsung and LG, on the other hand, not so hot.

In IT and office automation, Canon, Fujitsu, and Toshiba are doing well too.

In LED, Nichia is well loved, definitely competitive with Cree.

In the crowded field of personal audio, Final and Zero Audio are highly praised and well loved as well.

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Back on topic please. Posts that do not focus on Suzuki will be removed.

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With such small engines Id never worry about filling up in a Suzuki...

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kaitenzushi126MAY. 18, 2016 - 05:09PM JST @Aly

I don't know how you arrive at such a conclusion, but just from what I know of, Canon, Sony, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, etc. are doing very well in the photography business. Samsung and LG, on the other hand, not so hot.

Yes, but the camera business is a dying one or at best a niche enthusiasts market. As are printers in this virtually paper-less world. Samsung and LG might not be doing right now, but they are innovate and smart in their R&D and marketing.

In IT and office automation, Canon, Fujitsu, and Toshiba are doing well too. Really, what product? Computers?! Don;t think so.

In LED, Nichia is well loved, definitely competitive with Cree. Never heard of them

In the crowded field of personal audio, Final and Zero Audio are highly praised and well loved as well. Who, what there you say!?

Japan Inc. can't keep up with rapid change and innovation is a dying concept. They need a completely different approach? Cultural Tourism?

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"I'm loving it" ? You reep what you sow.

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@kaitenzushi126

None of the companies you indicated are doing well internationally wise. For some of them they may do better nationally in some very limited markets, but Japan is not the world. You should already know that by now.

Also it's funny that you mentioned Olympus and Toshiba, two companies involved in gigantic financial scandals which have dragged them in massive losses. If you wanted to quote two well doing Japanese companies, you already picked the wrong ones...

The photography business is not that big anymore to make Canon, Nikon or Pentax more relevant outside of Japan.

Same for IT, companies like Fujitsu or Toshiba have almost no presence outside of Japan, they are irrelevant.

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"The 86-year-old executive ...", haha haha :)

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This is why here in the USA, emissions and fuel economy testing are done by a government agency: the EPA.

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@smithinjapan. I hope you realise that bullfighter is really Nigelboy, in a new guise.

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Why are corporations in charge of regulating themselves?!?! Cheating and rip-offs will always be the inevitable outcome.

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What I'd like to know is; why are all these cases appearing now!? It was the same with the labeling scandal. Guilty conscious? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a whistle-blower.

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Its easy to get max mileage with a car by simply going at 73km/hr, low cooling, Hard Tyres, no breaking I even got 50miles/gallon with a corolla 130km trip

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kiyoshiMukai: "This is only a WitchHunt by the Corrupt Korean government."

Just to show how ludicrous and racist your comment is, it was NISSAN's South Korean business that was accused of cheating the figures in South Korea, not Suzuki, my friend. But it's funny to see how badly you undermine your own comments all the same! haha... well done!

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What I'd like to know is; why are all these cases appearing now!?

Low gas prices. People aren't so pissed at the high cost, maybe they figure now is a good time.

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(With tongue firmly in cheek) Did Suzuki just pre-empt a hostile takeover by Mazda?

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I bought a car priding itself with a 22 km per liter rating but in reality only 10.4-11 km/l.

The company said the advertised mileage was conducted indoor with no wind resistance, no air con, only driver and no passenger etc, etc.

After that they changed their advertisement to 20 km/l.

I think this habit is pandemic for car companies.

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Hyundai and Kia were already involved in fuel economy cheating and paid a $100M fine.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/11/03/kia-hyundai-mpg-epa/18410431/

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I do not ever recall any car I bought getting the claimed mileage. I do like Suzuki Mini cars though. Cute and convenient except in big crashes.

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In fact, all these stories point out a major problem with many fuel economy tests: they don't reflect real-world driving conditions. Indeed, there has been a lot of criticism of the current European and Japanese fuel economy tests showing how unrealistic the fuel economy test results are.

That's why the EPA in 2007 completely revamped their fuel economy testing procedures. The current EPA tests for both city and highway driving now include much more realistic urban driving simulation, more higher ambient temperatures on the test stand, running the air conditioner a lot more, and even on the highway test a short run to 130 km/h (circa 80 mph). As such, the EPA test is considered by many the most realistic fuel economy test in the world.

Maybe it's time that the UN work with the major automobiles manufacturers around the world to create a single unified standard for fuel economy testing for both city and highway driving so we avoid debacles like this.

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I'm willing to bet that these "discrepancies" led to higher fuel efficiency numbers than had the correct procedure been followed. We never hear of these crooked companies making mistakes that understate the mileage figures.

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Not surprising, knowing the real quality of these Japanese cars or lack there of.

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the testing method required by the government

compliance with government testing methods

Why is government involved in this in the first place?

If consumers want fuel-efficient cars, producers have an incentive to produce fuel-efficient cars. If they don't produce the goods, the consumers will not buy those goods.

Suzuki is right on this one. Suzuki can go ahead and test their cars for fuel-efficiency any way they want to, as far as I'm concerned. There is no benefit to the consumer from government mandating car producers to test by some bureaucratically defined method. Well done to Suzuki for innovating and coming up with a more efficient method of testing.

using a different testing method than the one ordered by the government is a problem,”

Not if you ask me, I don't give a hoot how the government thinks businesses conduct their business.

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