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This article is a distraction away from the real issue. 5G is dangerous and should be thoroughly tested before being let loose on the public. There are exactly zero studies showing its non-ionizing radiation is safe. It was originally designed by the military as a weapon called the Active Denial System, which is a crowd dispersal gun that can make your skin feel as though it's on fire. Only the voltage needs to be ramped up. In the hands of any future tyrannical govt this technology would give them the upper hand once it's fully installed. Think of the recent protests in Hong Kong or the yellow vest movement in France.

Then there are the cumulative negative effects the 5G mm wave will have on all life living in its electromagnetic smog. There are hundreds of scientists, doctors and weapons experts who are saying 5G is extremely detrimental to health and safety and that there should be a moratorium on it until it can be made safe, if that's possible. But no, let's roll it out and see what happens. The faster download speeds will be great.

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Isn’t this going to make hacking that much quicker? Less time to control?

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"U.S. explores requiring domestic 5G equipment to be made outside China."

The US can demand what it wants domestically, but it will demand that the rest of the globe follow suit. Each nation must exert its sovereignty and ignore US directives, ignore US sanctions/secondary sanctions.

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The US can demand what it wants domestically, but it will demand that the rest of the globe follow suit. Each nation must exert its sovereignty and ignore US directives, ignore US sanctions/secondary sanctions.

Let's say Chinese 5G technology has backdoors, so the Chinese government can spy on people and other nations. (Actually, they do!)

Bloomberg reports that Vodafone found backdoors in Huawei gear

https://5g.security/5g-security/vodafone-huawei-backdoors/

Vodafone finds hidden 'backdoors' in Huawei technology

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/vodafone-finds-hidden-backdoors-in-huawei-technology-38067240.html

It doesn't matter if some countries don't adopt or others do adopt Huawei 5G. All networks will be in danger because if one countries network communicates with another countries' Huawei's 5G technology then the former country is also at risk. It is no different than an "STD". That is why all countries must be aware of the threat and work together to prevent it.

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Isn’t this going to make hacking that much quicker? Less time to control?

Most likely, but it will be more than just hacking. Smart appliances will be subject to surveillance through smart meters when 5G and the IoT is up and running. The technology is very invasive.

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*The use of smart appliances ...

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Think of the recent protests in Hong Kong or the yellow vest movement in France.

Yes, now the people can fight back with an invisible weapon!

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Why can't the USA built their own?

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An American pres with a backbone to take China head on is in place during this pivotal juncture in history on a myriad of fronts. Even P45's most acrimonious critics acknowledges that there is nobody inside current US governing bodies more patriotically dedicated to an 'America First' docket.

With only one government branch,legislative branch of Washington, full of bought and paid for agents by foreign government entities and big corporates, Trump represents distinctively unassisted without any auxiliary to special interests.

The vitality of these economic/trade arbitrations is gonna have a multi-generational imprintable significance on life not beyond our borders; and taking in account the bifurcations if America allows foreign interests to bribe our domestic policy. Upcoming 2020 election is now more than ever consequentially pivotal as well as urgently determinative.

Multi-TRILLIONS are at stake here in the bigger picture dynamics with longer term horizon ramifications.

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This article is a distraction away from the real issue. 5G is dangerous and should be thoroughly tested before being let loose on the public. There are exactly zero studies showing its non-ionizing radiation is safe. It was originally designed by the military as a weapon called the Active Denial System, which is a crowd dispersal gun that can make your skin feel as though it's on fire. Only the voltage needs to be ramped up. In the hands of any future tyrannical govt this technology would give them the upper hand once it's fully installed. Think of the recent protests in Hong Kong or the yellow vest movement in France.

Then there are the cumulative negative effects the 5G mm wave will have on all life living in its electromagnetic smog. There are hundreds of scientists, doctors and weapons experts who are saying 5G is extremely detrimental to health and safety and that there should be a moratorium on it until it can be made safe, if that's possible. But no, let's roll it out and see what happens. The faster download speeds will be great.

The technology is very invasive.

IMHO, with high probability, the underlying ulterior motive for 5G is to remotely power tracking chips. As a consequence, a high power RF source needs to be establish everywhere in order to power the chips remotely.

This is how ID chips work fundamentally works: (warning, this can get pretty technical)

Cannot run them on battery because it would just deplete eventually therefore must need to be replaced. They all have passive receivers that stands by for an external radio signal to be picked up by a coil. Next, it then travels to a diode that adjusts the signal to DC, which then generates power for the tracking chip.

However with all of this, the issue is the chip needs to be very close proximity to the receiver enable to activate the pick up coil (present models have low frequency) as well as the coil needs to be huge enough to secure the signal of low frequency.

This is were 5G comes in and solves the power transfer location and capacity issues.

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Even P45's most acrimonious critics acknowledges that there is nobody inside current US governing bodies more patriotically dedicated to an 'America First' docket.

Than Mr. "I manufacture my company's goods overseas" Trump?

What in tarnation are you talking about? You're another person who got sucked in by his words, completely ignoring the fact that his actions point in the completely opposite direction.

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Wavelength of 5G is about millimeter more or less. It only has to a be several millimeters in length for the antenna can be coiled. By coiling it, you end up having shorter than a millimeter and work. When I say shorter, I mean the length is comparable to the size of a grain of rice.

As a result, there could be hundreds of antenna receivers, all producing and generating simultaneously to induce as much power EACH as the bigger coil receiver in the present ID chips. Due to having much much higher frequency, this all can be made possible.

Not for certain that this is in mass production yet, though no doubt it is in the early prototype phases. With high probability, I bet for the unknown individuals out there who validated 5G at such high frequency and endorsed so much bandwidth for it, no doubt contemplated this.

Contagiousness problems can be substantially mitigated by having many as HUNDREDS of coils, (instead of just singular) in a minuscule, microscopic space.

Hundreds concurrently generating enough power to the drive the tracking chip adequately for it to be able to monitor/document everything it can and then dispatches it back over wide ranging, momentous distances.

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good idea. China for years has blocked a large number of US internet services including Google, for which Trump's globalism-loving predecessors did... NOTHING.

Anyway, 5G is going to play a massive role in our information society. An authoritarian, adversarial censorship-loving communist state should not be supplying us with 5g equipment.

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I would say as far as 'the mark of the beast' is not an abstract concept no more but instead it can be applied practically and the makings of reality coming closer than ever before. After learning about this, I couldn't stomach the morality of this so called tech progression so I made a firm decision to liquidate all my 30mil USD worth of investments through 3 different foreign tech companies (can't mention the names due to fiduciary obligations).

Such complex system can be implemented for practical usage for over miles in regards to traveling distances. It's evident in this supporting document from theoretics at MIT. This is undeniably adequate enough for 'mark of the beast' with 5G being rolled out in every block or so. Frightening as well alarming to say the least.

https://www.mit.edu/~fadel/papers/RFind-paper.pdf

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I would say as far as 'the mark of the beast' is not an abstract concept no more but instead it can be applied practically and the makings of reality coming closer than ever before. After learning about this, I couldn't stomach the morality of this so called tech progression so I made a firm decision to liquidate all my 30mil USD worth of investments through 3 different foreign tech companies

Well done for liquidating your investments. You seem to know a lot about this so I have a question for you (or anyone else) if you don't mind.

I might have misunderstood but how will the tech companies use satellites to blanket the earth with 5G when the millimeter wave is so small that it easily distorts at relatively short distances and does not travel well through foliage, especially if it's wet? And it's not only the distance; there's also atmospheric moisure, pollution and so on. Larger wavelengths like those which TV or FM radio rely on travel much further and effectively, while SatPhones and GPS work on the UHF bandwidth. The 5G antennas, as you say, will be installed in every block, or every 200-300 meters because of this problem with distortion.

https://www.technocracy.news/5g-from-space-20000-satellites-to-blanket-the-earth/

IMHO, with high probability, the underlying ulterior motive for 5G is to remotely power tracking chips.

What chips are you talking about here? Obviously not home appliances and the like because they receive power from an external source.

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The only reason that the US is excluding Chinese companies like Huawei from 5G is that they have realized that US companies cannot compete with Chinese companies both in terms of cost and technology. China is going past the US, and China is the future. No "back door" has ever been shown, and yet the US pleads "National Security!" (for some reason, automobiles are included). The US is in declline.

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What chips are you talking about here? Obviously not home appliances and the like because they receive power from an external source.

I apologized for not responding to your right away. I was analyzing and managing some trading positions overnight ahead of the important G20 summit especially for traders like me. I also rarely respond to others here since majority of posters are small-picture minded, cherry pickin, 1 liners who are rude, unprofessional and undeserving/unworthy of replying to. Before I answer your question, I would like to be honest with you and clarify that, although I'm aware a lot of things about 5G, I am in no position to be an expert at this tech engineering field. First and foremost, I am an institutional financial markets technical trader (80% of the time) and macro fundamental investor (about 20%).

Anyhow, I'm referring to SoCs (complex systems-on-chip) the latest and most modern type of chip that the semi-conductor industry/sector are mass producing and is used a lot by almost all manufacturers. All of the electronic components needed for an entire system are embedded into a versatile singular chip. It has extensive capabilities and functionalities that is widely regarded through various organizations in the manufacturing sector/industry especially with smart phone entities. Depending on the operational value and functionality usages for the devices, it could also be referencing to standard chips, microprocessors as well memory chips. But mostly complex systems-on-chip a.k.a. SoCs

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What chips are you talking about here? Obviously not home appliances and the like because they receive power from an external source.

Sorry I meant SoCs (complex systems-on-a-chip). Was missing an 'a' there.

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@weedkila

Well done for liquidating your investments. You seem to know a lot about this so I have a question for you (or anyone else) if you don't mind.

Thanks. But it's too bad I had to pay 10% early liquidation penalty. 10% of 30mil in US dollar denominated investment capital is quite a hefty chunk of change. It's unfortunate but that's just part of the investment risk that investors have to manage. I guess I have to think of it like some type of commission they charge me with.

I might have misunderstood but how will the tech companies use satellites to blanket the earth with 5G when the millimeter wave is so small that it easily distorts at relatively short distances and does not travel well through foliage, especially if it's wet? And it's not only the distance; there's also atmospheric moisure, pollution and so on. Larger wavelengths like those which TV or FM radio rely on travel much further and effectively, while SatPhones and GPS work on the UHF bandwidth. The 5G antennas, as you say, will be installed in every block, or every 200-300 meters because of this problem with distortion.

https://www.technocracy.news/5g-from-space-20000-satellites-to-blanket-the-earth/

Anyways, not certain if it's going to answer your question but here goes anyways. As it mentioned on the link you provided, roughly around 20K sats are deployed for 5G launch.

It totally defies common sense in regards to the tech being implemented. I didn't realize before up until this point that, even in the 5G devices, the antennas are actually going to be able to focus their beams the same metholody as HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) does it. If you're not familiar with HAARP then just google or wiki or whatever you need to do to get a foundational grasp of what it's all about. It's too and complex long for me to explain regarding this particular subject.

Btw, my knowledge comes mainly from in the investor prospectus reports directly from the organization I invest with and the rest is the combination of information I paid for, my own independent researc as well as my past military background (straight out of high school to serve in the US Marine Corps Special Forces for about 15 years) which is helpful. I don't use mainstream stuff especially Google because I consider it as a retail platform for the masses that spits out 99% censored junk in my POV. Free means 90% or more do not get the nitty-gritty details and especially the big picture dynamics of info an individual is searching for. If you have the funds you can actually create your customized proprietary search engine private system similarly based on either Microsoft or Yahoos/Google's API (application programming interface) or even better engine if you got lots of bling bling.

OK so for simplicity, let me use AM radio for an example to explain how a radio beam is focused.

For instance, imagine your broadcasting onto an audience in a narrow corridored location (ie. mountain range valley). It's illogical to send the radio signal where it can't be heard (at the back of mountain where few only hikers are) so in this case, numerous antennas are used. The most elevated antenna will communicate the signal. Then passive antennas, dispersed at specific intervals away from the active antenna. This will cause the signal to be deflected/diverted in their direction.

In effect, the radio beam will increasingly be more focused if more antennas in a row there are. Imagine, as an example an antenna array that generates an AM broadcast directional by 6DB (that will x4 the dynamic/effective broadcast power to a settled upon area/zone) these antennas which are for 1.52 MHZ, therefore these things are shorter than the typical AM radio antennas.

In comparison to 5G, AM frequencies are greatly low. The size of the antenna is a capacity of the speed of light versus the frequency that will be transmitted/communicated at. Enable to have a full wave antenna for an AM signal @ one MHZ requires an antenna with specifications of 5,280 X 186,000 / 1,000,000 feet lengthwise. Doing the math quickly, that's approximately equals 982 more or less of the height.

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I might have misunderstood but how will the tech companies use satellites to blanket the earth with 5G when the millimeter wave is so small that it easily distorts at relatively short distances and does not travel well through foliage, especially if it's wet? And it's not only the distance; there's also atmospheric moisure, pollution and so on. Larger wavelengths like those which TV or FM radio rely on travel much further and effectively, while SatPhones and GPS work on the UHF bandwidth. The 5G antennas, as you say, will be installed in every block, or every 200-300 meters because of this problem with distortion.

https://www.technocracy.news/5g-from-space-20000-satellites-to-blanket-the-earth/

There's an effect which permit an action for AM antennas to efficiently work @ around 62.5% of full wave length. Therefore for one MHZ, the antenna really only needs to be a bit just over 600 feet in height. I'm not sure about if you're aware of them but they're actually very common. This is fairly short explanation, but it gets even more complicated and of course there's more to it than meets the eye but I can assure you my fundamental explanation, for simplicity sake, will suffice enough to get a good grasp regarding the illustration above on how it can be deployed/implemented in a much tighter area or tinier zone, only the size of a cellular phone.

1.7 MHZ is where AM radio ends at and requires massive antennas due to the fact the frequencies to a high degree are really low. With these type of low frequencies used by AM are reasonably safe to people. However let's imagine the transmitted frequency is one GHZ, this would demand an antenna only roughly length of about eight inches.

5G operational functions @ frequencies up to 80x as high as that, therefore requiring the antennas that approximately 1/10 length of an inch. This entire frequency range specification would be imaginably hazardous. Put these tiny antennas in a cell phone, then organized like the AM radio illustrated concept above I mentioned before and voila. As result, it will cause the 5G to become extremely and sharply focused, consequently generating it the power it wants to punch through solid objects with extreme ease even if it's wet (that high frequencies unconditionally hate to go through).

What I've just mentioned above is the method almost identical to how HAARP does it. I recommend you to research HAARP at your own due diligence to come with your own conclusions/analytics. This is great and all but here is what I have issues with this methodology and also the reason why I liquidated all my own 30mil investment with 5G tech progression.

Sometime later on today I will go over some details of health hazardous risk associated with this abomination in the name of tech progress as well as the underlying reason I decided to liquidate all my multi-million 8 figure investments.

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No "back door" has ever been shown, and yet the US pleads "National Security!" (for some reason, automobiles are included). The US is in declline.

Bloomberg reports that Vodafone found backdoors in Huawei gear

https://5g.security/5g-security/vodafone-huawei-backdoors/

Vodafone finds hidden 'backdoors' in Huawei technology

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/vodafone-finds-hidden-backdoors-in-huawei-technology-38067240.html

The country caught stealing technology from other countries?

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UknownPlayer;

Thanks for your explanation. I get what you say regarding the more antennas there are the more focussed the beam, as it is with the HAARP array.

even in the 5G devices, the antennas are actually going to be able to focus their beams the same metholody as HAARP

I am vaguely familiar with HAARP but had no idea that 5G devices will be using the same methodology. Not that I know much but it makes sense. I will have to look into it more.

Sometime later on today I will go over some details of health hazardous risk associated with this abomination in the name of tech progress

I agree, it is an abomination. The word needs to spread. The effect it will have on the skin alone should be reason enough to prevent or slow down its implementation.

https://interestingengineering.com/the-danger-of-5g-5th-generation-cellular-technology-might-be-a-threat-to-public-health

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I agree, it is an abomination. The word needs to spread. The effect it will have on the skin alone should be reason enough to prevent or slow down its implementation.

https://interestingengineering.com/the-danger-of-5g-5th-generation-cellular-technology-might-be-a-threat-to-public-health

OK, just imagine what if the tower or satellite is in the direction on the opposite of your brain while using your cellular phone. What if your phone makes a determination to shoot a highly, ultra focused beam through the brain in order to reach the tower signal. Well it can't possibly know where your brain is located or somebody else brain nearby you.

This is where I conclude that this is an overwhelmingly rock solid moronic negligent system. This is also the part where I won't ever use it because with the extremely ultra focused beam blasting through is absolutely brain damage retarded kind of territory that I will not want my noggin to be expose to. It just can't ever be done, not even at a fractional wattage.

Just imagine this and ask yourself a question, would I risk myself of wanting a phase array antenna pushed up to my skull, discharging constant extremely high intensity pencil beam?

Oh btw, you will probably never catch the creepingly slow damage as your brain invariably relocates/reassigns brand spanking new neurons to finish the tasks by the millions or so that got destroyed from 1 hour long phone call.

The calls will only be transported directly through your brain roughly 50% of all calls anyway cuz the satellite or tower sometimes will be placed favorably so no sweat at all right? An individual has trillions of neurons to waste where your brain uses about 10% of them anyway, RIGHT? (looking at you smart phone zombies and mobile phone game addicts)

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I agree, it is an abomination. The word needs to spread. The effect it will have on the skin alone should be reason enough to prevent or slow down its implementation.

https://interestingengineering.com/the-danger-of-5g-5th-generation-cellular-technology-might-be-a-threat-to-public-health

So if the present batch of cellular phones (supposedly will not kill neurons outright cuz they do not blast a pencil beam) were an issue which causes cancer, well just wait until the super duper fast download speeds of 5G launches.

This abomination of tech progression is definitely not for me. I will stick with 3G/4G (even I still worry about it) which is absolutely fine and dandy for my needs. 5G is a kind of system developed by people making decisions that do not care much about human brains.

These people would rather have their back disperse radiation scanners transmitting back high resolution pics of someone's house interior for big brother monitoring purposes (count on it they will do it real good). This is the underlying ulterior motive that's hidden from the most of the clueless public and the real practical application of why 5G is really being deployed. China is a great example of why they're trying to expedite the deployment but I'm sure US will eventually do it also especially when it falls into the wrong hands of the unelected administrative state. Bank on it sooner or later.

Guarantee that 99% of the mobile phone users will use it anyway regardless cuz most likely for number of reasons/justifications such as making life better, improvement with tech progress, efficiency, pleasure, entertainment, etc. etc. etc. But most of these people are naive about pencil beams. These beams are radio form of a laser that is considered conceivably nasty and hazardous.

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Yes, I've seen and heard enough to know of the dangers. I cringe when I see young kids using cell phones. Or young people walking around with those wireless earphones where the signal goes straight across the brain. And that's only bluetooth. I'm sure you're aware that many of the tech guys in Silicon valley don't allow their own kids to use these devices until they are older. Or if they do it's on a very restricted basis. From your explanation it's easy to see why. Then there's the dopamine hit to boot which keeps people glued to their devices.

I'm wondering how long it will take before the negative health effects start kicking in. It's a scary thought but we can only educate people as much as possible. As for China and the US I think there's some kind of hegalian dialectic going on. As with this article the focus is on the security of 5G but I think it's mostly a diversion to lead people away from the real issues; health and surveillance. Meanwhile the tech is rolled out in both (all) countries. Have to head out now so thanks for the chat.

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This will probably shocked or surprised by many but 5G is actually, in practical reality, the LEAST. Let me repeat cuz is worth repeating. 5G is the LEAST piercing of all wireless tech so far by a factor of an average of TWENTY cubed.

What this means is it has difficult time infiltrating anything and that includes human as well as animal skin. I know it is paradoxical because most people think that it will penetrate better than anything. This is factually false because this type of mindset means they absolutely have no clue how frequencies behave. Essentially 5G having such a challenging time to try and penetrate everything at all is really the reason of what makes it so unsafe and threatening.

Isn't ironic that 5G's shortcoming of an ability to pierce through make it alarming. The answer to this is, it's because the kind of phase array antenna which 5G devices all need to operate. The device can effortlessly triangulate with tower's location is because the frequencies are high enough to support triangulation from only the antennas in a tiny device. The device, intelligently aware where the tower is located, employs a phase array antenna to shoot a signal back to the location of the tower.

This wouldn't be an issue if the device is not in any way attempted to reach the tower through your noggin. But if your skull is located between it and the tower, as result that individual is going to have heavily, ultra focused energy severing a thin line through the brain that will surely cause some type of damage.

You then think you're smart and somehow figure out a way to cause the device to ordinarily point the pencil beam out of the way of your location. Even so, another issue arises, what about other individuals around nearby? These people cannot be factored in. Regardless, 5G is still gonna be an aimless, uncoordinated, random wave throw.

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Another interesting note, due to the fact of the nature of how such devices function is that users will start to become aware that the device is starting to emanate heat. This will surely happen which it will radiate heat but the device itself won't be burning hot. The reason for this is that heat are the radio waves getting immersed by the person's body.

What happens next is that a person's brain gets that heat but you cannot feel it? This is because the brain itself cannot feel the injury. Headaches are actually felt from the interior linings of blood vessels inside the brain but not the actual neurons. A person can actually able to fry tons of them and not a thing they will feel.

To me with this type of hazardous unnoticeable side effects makes my head dizzy thinking about it cuz they're actually going to legalize 5G with no regards to health concern. Therefore I will NEVER ever use 5G because I do not want to get daily dose of getting hit with discharging pencil beams shooting through my brain everyday. The saddest part of it is, it will eventually lead to some type of tumor/cancer/brain disease.

So in a nutshell, 5G makes it totally possible for the law enforcement agencies to do drive bys with a passive scanner that exudes nothing at all. Reads 5G backscatter to layout everything like a blueprint of a house interior detailed within minute(s). The resolution will be adequate enough to easily read time on a watch, from the street view location, through the wall effortlessly. Sounds invasive without you knowing whatsoever.

In effect, with high probability, will cause whole slew of strange, perplexing injuries from cancer to tumor to cataracts to brain damage... etc etc etc. Most likely nobody will report it because the back scatter scanning tech progress is special enough for most people that they will have a difficult time letting go off it. No doubt, the Free-For-Loss Presstitutes Yellowstream Enemedia propaganda centers will not report the causes because most of them are dishonest fronting chicane.

Could easily assist the progress of gun grab operations cuz nobody and I mean NO ONE will be able to hide their weapons. From the curb the police state are going to notice every weapon, bullet, even clean guns and even what location the firing pin is in.

The tech is way too dangerous to implement because of the high frequencies which need to employ a phase array antenna in order to reach a tower that enables to focus abundance of energy into tiny an amount of tissue.

Gradual, slithering diffuse brain damage/injuries are gonna come to pass. With high probability, we are helplessly screwed especially with most of the millennial generation as well as the next generation (Generation Z) who are heavily smart phone zombies and mobile phone game addicts.

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