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United Airlines to dismiss 593 workers who refused vaccines

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Good.

One poster once commented "'Hey moron, get the jab' is not going to work."

To which I replied, "Maybe not, but 'Hey, moron, you don't work here anymore.' just might."

Seems that it has.

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GdTokyoToday  11:50 am JST

Good.

You seem so comfortable that others lost their jobs including families behind which are going to suffer, I did not know we could enjoy so much on such news, the cynism of some are really reaching sky-high altitude...in any cases, comforting me into not signing up for their "between-us only world".

4 ( +19 / -15 )

How religious exemption grounds could possibly be accepted ?

If so, everyone would go for it. Ludicrous.

Religion is an opinion, that is all.

Glad to see science and common sense taking over.

Vaccines against many types of illnesses (flu being the most known) have been used for decades and proven overall interest to save lives.

Medical exemptions totally normal on the contrary.

Airlines are the ones with most responsibility during an international episemic.

-4 ( +14 / -18 )

What's more interesting is why otherwise non-religious scientifically minded people would have to resort to religious exemptions simply to exercise their right to choose their own medical intervention.

Praising the government for fascist mandates and applauding the enforced demise of individuals' livelihoods due to their personal convictions... Really rhymes with other historical events of the past.

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Pretty comfortable. I did my part to keep society safe. When other's do not, that is on them.

That is commendable indeed. A growing number of virologists, immunologists and MDs, though, have begun to question the benefits of mass vaccination for the society, based on the rising infections in Israel, the UK and Singapore.

-1 ( +15 / -16 )

Covid vaccinations reduced the numbers of covid cases requiring serious hospital treatments by more than 90%. The mass vaccinations programs are saving lives. Mostly the new covid cases are unvaccinated people.

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Strange that some would risk getting sick rather than take modern medicine made to prevent it . . . .

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A growing number of virologists, immunologists and MDs, though, have begun to question the benefits of mass vaccination for the society, based on the rising infections in Israel, the UK and Singapore.

Precisely no qualified medical professional is advocating this. Certainly none in a position of public policy. Large-scale vaccination is the only way to reduce infections, reduce hospitalizations and deaths.

Know why you don't have small pox? Not only because you have been vaccinated, but also because everyone around you has also been vaccinated. Therefore, there is no reservoir of virus around you to be infected by (fun fact: no vaccine is 100% effective. Even the best still have about a 5% risk of infection IF you bump into a reservoir of virus. But you don't because there is none.) Same with Polio, measles (mostly) or any number of horrible illnesses we used to get but no longer do.

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Be interesting to see how many suddenly change their minds and get vaccinated.

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Recent facts and figures of its beneficial effects have shown a sharp peak of insalubrious cases triggering many to regress.

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Good. Comply or get the ax. I don't feel sorry for them at all. Maybe a company which will let you stick to your refusal will hire you.

0 ( +10 / -10 )

This means that the variants that emerge can potentially have greater pathology than they otherwise would have.

And the beauty of the mRNA vaccine is that it can easily be adjusted to mutations (or so much smarter people than we say.)

AND there wouldn't BE any mutations (or they would be much few in number and variety) if people had gotten vaccinated when they could.

AND..... Again, the fact that there remains reservoirs of virus in the general population and not the effectiveness of the vaccine is what is driving the continued pandemic.

2 ( +10 / -8 )

The newest type of fascism, this time against all unvaccinated people. They are not other or better in their methods than those in earlier times, only the targets have been changed and the more physical punishments then , camouflaged and replaced now by more economic ones.

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a large majority of vaccine hesitant people are minorities.

So "wonderful" to see such liberal glee and joy at people of color losing their jobs, isnt it?

Smooth narrative change from the "great uniter" to "from protect against the virus" to "protect against the unvaccinated people". Now its just "people's" fault and the government can just act like they are just bystanders who are also a victim of all this.

2 ( +11 / -9 )

Having unvaccinated crew and passengers on flights should be illegal.

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Israel is proof the mRNA vaccines are working. A little over 80% of the population is vaccinated but "only" 80% of (the record number of) hospitalized patients due to Covid are fully vaccinated. So according to Israel, the mRNA vaccines are 2~3% effective at preventing serious illness. Absolutely useless in preventing infection.

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You seem so comfortable that others lost their jobs including families behind which are going to suffer,

When a person loses his job because of his/her own choice then the only ones to blame are themselves. If you require a new qualification to keep a job, be it a fork lift licence where one was not required before, and you choose not to study or practice or sit for a test to get that new qualification and you lose your job as a consequence, the blame is all on yourself.

For every employees safety all must be vaccinated. Choosing not to means you put yourself and others at higher risk. You may have the right to endanger yourself but you have no right to endanger others. Complaining about that is pointless. I dont want anyone not vaccinated near me all day long.

Good move by the airline to maximise staff and customer safety. For those wanting to be unsafe, stay at home.

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Good for UA!! I boggles my mind at how so many arent not getting their shots, stupid beyond belief!

And these unvaccinated are getting people sick & killed, its kind of like saying driving drunk should be a personal choice......HELL NO!!

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@JaneM2

That is commendable indeed. A growing number of virologists, immunologists and MDs, though, have begun to question the benefits of mass vaccination for the society, based on the rising infections in Israel, the UK and Singapore.

What utter rubbish! What made you type that ?

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@JaneM2

What you meant to type was :

That is commendable indeed. A growing number of Conspiracy Theorists, Discredited Veterinarians from Europe and an Antisemitic Thai/German struck off MD have begun to question the benefits of vaccination in society despite them keeping a large amount of people out of hospital especially in Israel, the UK and Singapore and have been proved soundly wrong!

4 ( +11 / -7 )

If only Japanese airlines would do the same?

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Gd

you did your bit to "keep society safe"??

how's that working out?

Wonderfully, Thank you for asking! I have reduced my risk of infection, and my risk of transmission to others.

Even better, I have reduced my risk of serious illness and/or death to the point that I have a greater risk of getting hit by a car crossing the street.

SO all in all, not to shabby.

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kurisupisu

If only Japanese airlines would do the same?

They do not have to. They are fully vaccinated.

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I don't blame these poor folks that lost their jobs....

I blame the far-right media and all their anti-vax, the world is flat, Hugo Chavez is alive BS...all designed to keep the MAGA-masses angry and outraged - and gouge them for books and premium memberships...

The crazies in the Repub party are just as complicit....

These poor folks listen to the hate, extremism, and kooky conspiracy theories emanating 24/7 from the Foxes, Newsmaxx, and Breitbarts in the far-right media bubble = most of it regurgitated Russian and Chinese disinformation - and get bamboozled...

The far-right media and the Repubs take their money, take away their health care, convince them its better to get fired than get vaccinated, put them in the ICU with their goofy conspiracy theories, then leave them to die....

Sound like a cult?

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Firing workers, some no doubt who have served the company faithfully for decades, and causing them and their families to lose their livelihoods. All because they MIGHT be sick with and MIGHT pass on a virus to others that is 99.99% curable? Terrible.

They should sue United Airlines in court for unfair dismissal, discrimination, etc.

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

Vaccinated people can spread Covid as well. Should they get fired too?

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It’s not 99.99% curable as evidenced by the 650,000 in America who have died.

By your logic, 6.5 billion (with a B) would need to be infected when the population of the United States is a bit north of 330 million.

And vaccinated people are much less likely to spread the virus as they are less likely to become infected in the first place.

In any event, the vaccinated have done everything currently possible to protect themselves, their coworkers and their customers.

The unvaccinated have done zip.

so, not the same thing at all.

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As a so-called “concerned citizen” can one assume you’ve done your part and gotten vaccinated?

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The newest type of fascism, this time against all unvaccinated people. 

I didn't realize that "unvaccinated" was a protected class, e.g. a religion, race, ethnicity or national origin. They (the willingly unvaccinated) made a decision not to protect themselves or the larger community. That is not fascism, that is called "consequences."

Interestingly enough, there is a way not to be called out. 2 jabs 3 weeks apart with a proven safe and effective vaccine. Surely that is not too much to ask in a pandemic.

SCOTUS doesn't seem to think so as evidenced by it's early 20th century rulings on the small pox vaccine - rulings for which the precedent still stands.

Oh, those pesky facts......

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These poor folks listen to the hate, extremism, and kooky conspiracy theories emanating 24/7 from the Foxes, Newsmaxx, and Breitbarts in the far-right media bubble = most of it regurgitated Russian and Chinese disinformation - and get bamboozled...

If these 'poor folks' were ten-year old children, I'd sympathize with them. Misguided kids. But these are fully grown adults. I really don't care.

And please do not blame the Russians or Chinese. This is their own making.

6 ( +7 / -1 )

If these 'poor folks' were ten-year old children, I'd sympathize with them. Misguided kids. But these are fully grown adults. I really don't care.

Fully grown adult doesn't equal fully mature adult....just look at a Trump rally....or Jan 6th....

And please do not blame the Russians or Chinese. This is their own making.

Don't dismiss how widespread and insidious Russian and Chinese disinformation efforts are....it's a war in cyberspace and the weapon is influence operations...and both countries are doing their best to destabilize our democracy...and the West in general...

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Great news.... Lets hope other employers follow this fantastic example. But also cut the BS religious exemption.

Which religion has come out against vaccines?

No jab...no job

No jab ...no flights, no bars, no restaurants

And most important of all..... NO treatment for covid, unless fully paid by yourself!

4 ( +7 / -3 )

No jab...no job

No jab ...no flights, no bars, no restaurants

And most important of all..... NO treatment for covid, unless fully paid by yourself!

Agreed! And even better no jab, no admittance to NCAA basketball or football games (one can hear the SEC having a collective stroke).

No jab, no in-person NFL attendance (less effective for the Jets and Giants...)

No jab, no NASCAR attendance.

Want to see (insert name of favorite band here: I’m going with Metallica) in concert? Proof of vaccination required

THAT would move the needle.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

They should sue United Airlines in court for unfair dismissal, discrimination, etc.

Call me crazy, but I’m pretty sure United ran this by legal prior to announcing it. I’d be willing to bet they are on fairly solid legal ground

4 ( +7 / -3 )

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