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U.S. seeks new 5G delay to study interference with planes

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Nah, 5G interference with planes is just a conspiry theory.

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Nah, 5G interference with planes is just a conspiry theory.

Jeff, read the details in the link below. You are probably not a commercial rated pilot with a lot of experience using radar altimeters. There are situation where a safe approach and landing rely on accurate information from the radalt. Helicopters I flew relied an the radalt for low their low visibility automatic approach and hover capability, which we needed for hoisting survivors during search and rescue operations. The pilots of passenger aircraft have an automatic couple approach feature to allow them to land in very bad weather but the decision to land or go around at what is called Decision Height or DH, where the pilot needs to have the runway environment in sight or the approach is aborted, relies on accurate radalt information.

https://www.icao.int/safety/FSMP/MeetingDocs/FSMP%20WG11/IP/FSMP-WG11-IP08_ICAO%20Flight%20Operations%20Panel%20and%20IATA%20%20IFALPA%205G%20problem%20statement.pdf

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I wonder if they will use this to further limit air travel.

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The conflict between 5G networks and aircraft equipment led French authorities to recommend switching off mobile phones with 5G on planes in February

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Anytime i flew in the past, i always turned off my phone

That was one of the things the airlines had on their information.

I even took the battery out.

That was almost 18 years ago.

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If i was to fly now, i would automatically turn off my phone before boarding.

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Despite he operating frequency ranges of the two technologies being more than 2 GHz apart this potential conflict has been known about for a long time and should have been dealt with by now by improving filtering of the transmitted 5G signal, and any harmonics, so that its passband is effectively kept within the designated upper and lower cutoff frequencies. Selectivity of the radar altimeters should have been improved so that they cannot receive signals of any significant strength outside their own frequency range.

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The FCC has been infiltrated with telcom carrier people who are no different than telcom lobbyists. Yes, this problem with spurious emissions has been known, but the FCC truly truly care. The FAA does though.

5G splatters all over the place and filtering is easier said than done. radalts are so sensitive that the length of wiring within the aircraft from antenna to display is calculated. radalt is also used in TCAS 9collision avoidance and terrain avoidance, not just autoland, where accuracy it is vital.

The telcoms need to fork over the money to fix the radalt equipment. Their doing the encroaching.

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And an update is that the telcoms, naturally, flatly rejected the request for a delay.

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"Their doing the encroaching."

They are not! The US government held couple of auctions and sold, for billions of dollars, the rights to use the 5G frequencies in question to the highest bidders. They paid and they can use them as they wish. If anyone is to blame, that is the US government.

Will not comment on spelling/grammar.

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If planes are grounded because of this, the movement of goods, people and mail frozen, two years of undirected, pent up public frustration and anger will fix on Verizon and AT&T. On their websites, their masts, their offices and their staff.

You would not want to work for them if this plays out like that. It will get ugly really quickly. Particularly in a nation where there are more guns than people.

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Bluetooth is free, you can access, everybody in Japan, with their Bluetooth, while on, they have ling range Bluetooth receivers in the US less than 200 dollars Google Bluetooth Aircable

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Anytime i flew in the past, i always turned off my phone

That was one of the things the airlines had on their information.

I even took the battery out.

That was almost 18 years ago

This is not about having phones on inside the airplane. This is a case of the 5G ground stations and terrestrial users interfering with aircraft radar altimeters since this new 5G network uses the same bandwidth used by radar altimeters.

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If planes are grounded because of this, the movement of goods, people and mail frozen, two years of undirected, pent up public frustration and anger will fix on Verizon and AT&T. On their websites, their masts, their offices and their staff.

I suspect very shortly the airlines and aircraft manufactures and perhaps some of the larger airports are all going to sue Verizon and AT&T for many hundreds of billions of dollars. They will bankrupt Verizon and AT&T with lawsuits before they back down. The safety problem, disruption to operations and resulting costs are simply too great. One crash with high loss of life could be the end of both companies.

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Bluetooth has nearly zero security. Just broadcast in the open.

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They are not! The US government held couple of auctions and sold, for billions of dollars, the rights to use the 5G frequencies in question to the highest bidders. They paid and they can use them as they wish. If anyone is to blame, that is the US government.

It is an interesting conflict is as much as one department within the Executive Branch shoved this down the throat of another department within the Executive Branch. Actually two because this new 5G bandwidth steps all over some military radar and data link operating bands. Both the DoD and FAA objected bitterly to the FCC auction but senior officials within the Trump administration shoved the auction and resulting interference problems down the FAAs and DoDs throats.

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Theflu,it free and no one own, it can be only regulated, think of all the people, leave their Bluetooth headset on, they are potentially easy to marketed by random ad

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Theflu,it free and no one own, it can be only regulated, think of all the people, leave their Bluetooth headset on, they are potentially easy to marketed by random ad

Bluetooth is assigned bandwidth between 2.402 and 2.480 GHz or between 2.400 and 2.4835 GHz. This is a scientific, industrial and medical bandwidth used for very short range radio transmissions.

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5 g is not gonna make your phone bill any cheaper, you just use your data faster,so you can pay for the 5 G infrastructure

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