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'Passengers who don’t want to be groped, please use the rear train cars' announcement angers many

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By Casey Baseel, SoraNews24

Japan is very proud of its trains, and in many ways rightfully so. The country has one of the cleanest, most reliable, and most convenient rail networks to be found anywhere on the planet.

But it isn’t perfect, and the undeniably worst part of train travel in Japan is the possibility of encountering a chikan, or groper, onboard. Rail operators have tried various countermeasures to attempt to prevent gropings, but the actions of one East Japan Railway Co (JR East) worker have been drawing criticism after a video taken at Shinjuku Station in downtown Tokyo on Aug 30 recently went viral.

The video shows a station worker on the platform of the Saikyo Line, which connects Tokyo with Saitama Prefecture, its neighbor to the north. Standing outside a northbound train that’s about to depart, the worker, holding a handheld microphone and speaking through the PA system, says:

“We have many security cameras installed, but there are many chikan. Passengers who do not want to be groped, please make use of the rear carriages.”

The message, and choice of words, has drawn a swift backlash online, with Twitter reactions such as:

“So should we just assume we’re going to be groped if we ride in the front cars? Instead of trying to change the victims, try to change the perpetrators.”

“Are they any women who don’t not want to be groped?”

“Companies and society should show the stance that ‘Groping is unforgivable.’”

“I want them to change this to an announcement where they strongly say that groping is a crime.”

“We don’t need to ask victims to defend themselves! What we need to do is to make sure gropers feel guilty.”

So why was the employee recommending that passengers “who don’t want to be groped” use the rear cars? In the evening rush hour, when the video was taken, the front cars on the northbound Saikyo Line tend to be the most crowded, since many stations on the line have exit stairways at the north end of the platform, making for the most convenient way for passengers to exit the station after getting off. Since chikan are most likely to strike on crowded cars, the recommendation to use the rear cars does have some statistical sense behind it.

As for calls to make chikan feel guilty by reminding them that groping is a crime, posters saying “Groping is illegal” are already common in Japanese train stations and haven’t done very much to stop the problem, and maybe it isn’t so shocking that anyone shameless enough to forcefully grope someone isn’t likely to have their behavior altered by an appeal to their decency.

Deplorable and unfair to potential victims as the situation is, some commenters could understand the sentiment of choosing to offer actionable advice instead of an ineffective reassertion that groping is illegal. Others, though, had suggestions for different messages they felt should have been included in the announcement.

“There are a lot of things you could take issue with here, but I think it’s a good to see JR East making verbal announcements about chikan countermeasures.”

“’People who don’t want to be groped…’ isn’t a good way to put it, but I’m glad they’re making an announcement.”

“They should say ‘Groping is a crime, and chikan will be thrown in prison for the maximum sentence.”

“Change it to ‘If you are groped, or see a groper, inform the rail staff immediately.”

One thing just about everyone seems to agree on, though, is that there were better phrases to use than “people who don’t want to be groped,” and that a different choice of words would have avoided accusations of insensitivity stemming from the possible interpretation of “If you’re riding in the front cars, guess that means you don’t mind being groped.” In the video, the station worker making the announcement doesn’t seem particularly used to addressing a crowd, pausing and stuttering as he speaks, so giving the assignment to a more polished public speaker, and/or providing a better prepared statement to begin with, probably would have saved JR East some headaches. 

A spokesperson for the company has offered the following apology.

“The intent was to guide passengers towards less crowded carriages, but a portion of the announcement was inappropriate. We deeply apologize to those who were made uncomfortable by the announcement.”

JR’s statement makes it somewhat unclear as to whether the intended guidance towards less crowded cars was meant as a chikan countermeasure or simply for the purpose of greater overall passenger comfort. Either way, though, the fact that the announcement itself acknowledges the problem of chikan suggests that more could be done to address it, such as perhaps expanding the policy of women-only cars on the Saikyo Line (which currently are only available after 11 p.m.) to the earlier evening rush hour as well.

Sources: FNN Prime Online via Hachima Kiko, JR East, Twitter

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Japan is women's hell....

-9 ( +30 / -39 )

Are they any women who don’t not want to be groped?

The announcement said "passengers"

There's no need to reinforce archaic stereotypes that women are weaker and are automatically the victim class.

-4 ( +23 / -27 )

Nice policy: groping and non-groping cars. How about actually labeling the cars as such, like the "low air conditioning" cars, instead of occasional announcements.

Also, they should make the gropers, not the normal passengers, go to the end cars. Like everything else in Japan, all the decisions are made by oji-sans.

11 ( +24 / -13 )

Where passengers that don't to be falsely accused as groper should go? Any allowed train car still have chance to be falsely accused.

-6 ( +12 / -18 )

sakurasukiToday 07:13 am JST

Where passengers that don't to be falsely accused as groper should go? Any allowed train car still have chance to be falsely accused.

Yeah, instead of asking how we can protect women, let's change the topic to how we can protect men!

Particularly in light of the fact that false accusations happen almost never, while women are groped every. single. day.

-16 ( +19 / -35 )

This is not addressing the problem of groping. It is only an attempt at separating potential victims from creeps. The government needs to step up and make penalties for creeps so severe they will not even think about it. Start with a mandatory one year jail term. If the creeps continue, make it a five year jail term.

13 ( +20 / -7 )

Clearly there are some hopelessly inarticulate folk in the PR department who in their hapless attempt to craft an appropriate message have been left with egg on their faces after groping for a word to the ladies.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

"all da criminals to the front of the line please!"

5 ( +8 / -3 )

"When you're in the rear, nobody can be at your rear"

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

Something not quite right about this situation. How many other countries need woman only train cars to protect them from grouping?

This country really needs to look carefully at itself in a mirror.

9 ( +15 / -6 )

What's next? "People who don't want up-skirt videos taken of them, please wear pants"?

11 ( +15 / -4 )

As long as the good ol’ LDP stays in charge, no social reforms will ever occur.

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Just terrible. When I first started dating my wife, she would commute to work every morning, and quite often she would get groped, and as you might expect, she was very frustrated, I told her why she doesn't speak out, and she told me that if she did, people would look at her as if she's the cause of the problem, and in Japan, you shouldn't give trouble to others, I didn't understand that as I was new to the country, but I told me wife to speak out, yell at the individual, knock his hand away, look for a confrontation, one day it happened again, and she did just as I instructed her to do, she yelled and cursed the guy on a packed commuter train, and the idiot panicked, he started sweating, and then tried to run, my wife was holding on to his tie and the guy was freaking out and throughout the 8-minute ordeal this continued until they arrived downtown at their last stop, everyone got off and the guy tried to run, but my wife held on to his tie while screaming for the police, they quickly showed up and confronted the guy, he started to shake and cry and the cops made him apologize, my wife wanted to press charges but the cops were like, "but he has a family and he already apologized, what more do you want?"

I told her to just leave it, but the main thing was that I was proud that she realized that she didn't have to be a victim.

A few years later, we both ran into that man that groped her and he was with his family, once he saw us, he ran off to a different aisle so fast, that experience will never leave that guy. These men know that women for the most part will stay silent, if every woman would complain and make a scene, groping would not be a problem in this country.

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How is it that Taiwan (extremely similar to Japan) does not have these issues??? Maybe Japan should learn something from Taiwan.

-4 ( +11 / -15 )

I wonder if the chikans are one of the reasons women risk blindness by doing their make-up on the trains. Those tweezers and pencils are good weapons to 'accidentally' embed in a groping hand.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

The message, and choice of words, has drawn a swift backlash online

The message he made through PA system itself may not be appropriate despite being true, but his choice of word in his one sentence is very weird. Does any J-experts notice it? It is not in the text but in the video.

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This is no different to telling women that they shouldn't dress in a way that would entice a man to rape them....

How about, instead of telling women and girls that they should act in a certain way to prevent a man from touching them, the law gets it's act together and makes groping/sexual assault a severe punishment?

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Morons.

they might as well make each car a theme.

those that don’t want to be groped, go to cars 1&10.

those that don’t want to see eating or drinking, go to cars 2&9.

those that don’t want to see businessmen or johnnys, go to cars 3&8.

those that don’t like cool AC in hot months or blazing heaters in mildly cool months, go to cars 4&7.

those that don’t want to be yelled at or secretly video recorded, go to cars 5&6.

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I was on an Odakyu train getting out at Shinjuku station when my girlfriend screamed (briefly). In Japanese, she said someone just grabbed her crotch. We were both very angry of course but in the crowd, we could not identify the person. This happens to young Japanese women often on a daily basis. I had one girlfriend who said she was sexually assaulted almost every single day for years. I think there should be international pressure on Japan to deal with this.

I agree, but it’s easier them to just tell these women to go to the back of the train, out of sight, out of mind, and the rest sweep under the rug. If the pressure builds and as you say, more condemnation from the international community the J-government might be pushed into doing something, but as I previously said, when my wife complained to the cops what the guy did, they just scolded him and pushed him to apologize, and that was it, when my wife want to press charges then you could tell that the cops felt, this is just a hassle and they really didn’t want to be part of a broadening complaint and doing more paperwork. That shows you how serious this country is when it comes to dealing with this problem. They would have to implement big changes and I don’t think they’re ready or even willing to undertake that crucial step.

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"People who don't want to be groped please use the rear tain caes." Does the above notice mean that, "People who want to be groped please stay in the front train cars" ?!!

1 ( +6 / -5 )

[correction]

"People who don't want to be groped please use the rear train cars."

Does the above notice mean that:

"People who want to be groped, please remain in the front train cars?"

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Japan just like every other country in the world High School of sexual sick and twisted perverts, it's not only Japan and it's not only men groping women and girls but I guess it's mostly perverted men or young guys trying to feel up women and girls.

Unless we can divide all the trains and even areas of train station between men and women,

It's already done in Mexico City for over 40 years during rush hour in the morning and in the evening this will continue inside of the trains here in Japan.

Maybe putting the pictures and names of all of these perverted scumbags on the evening year and all over the Internet would help to name and shame them?

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bass4funkToday 08:56 am JST

These men know that women for the most part will stay silent, if every woman would complain and make a scene, groping would not be a problem in this country.

Unfortunately, your wife's experience doesn't speak for the experiences of all women.

When on the train one morning, a woman near me yelled "don't touch me!" to a man next to her. His response was to call her a liar, and then to shout something to the effect that "no one would grope someone as ugly as you." He was so vehement and shouted so loudly and so close to her face that she cowered in fear, while the rest of the train pretended nothing had happened.

As for my own experience, I was on the Yamanote with a friend when a guy started pestering us, trying touch us, and saying nasty sexual things. We both yelled at him and told him to leave us the (bleep) alone. Every person on the train stared - but not at him. At us. He wouldn't stop, and we had to get off the train to get away form him. We told the station attendant on the platform, but of course, he didn't do anything as the train had already left. And just by the by, that's not the only time I was ignored by someone in authority when reporting groping. Over the years it's happened so many times I've lost track: clubs, bars, in the train, on the street. So. Many. Times.

There was also a case on the news where a woman who confronted an upskirt photographer was threatened with a knife. She was lucky to escape.

The bottom line is, women aren't, and shouldn't be, responsible for stopping men from assaulting us. No matter how brave, scrappy, strong, or angry a woman is, men are still bigger, stronger, and can hurt us. We are very well aware of that, which is why most women won't confront men. That is a risk you should not expect any woman to take.

And until those in authority take serious action against gropers, and society at large stops blaming women and shaming them, women won't feel safe or able to come forward.

To stop groping, the problem has to be addressed from the top down - laws, attitudes. It's great that yelling at the chikan worked for your wife, but in general, telling women that they must stop gropers themselves is not part of the solution.

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bass4funkToday 09:41 am JST

That shows you how serious this country is when it comes to dealing with this problem. They would have to implement big changes and I don’t think they’re ready or even willing to undertake that crucial step.

Yes, exactly - great post.

-5 ( +10 / -15 )

Seems like the authorities need to bust the chikan, and bust them HARD. Then name and shame them if guilt is proved.

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Unfortunately, the staff just said out loud what the company and law enforcement think and practice -- if you're not riding the "women only car" YOU are actually the one who will take the blame for being groped if it happens. This is exactly why I am against such cars; they allow companies like JR and police to avoid seeking the real culprits if it will require time and effort and simply blame the woman. But, instead of making more efforts to stop the problem, they've just shirked the blame. Have had several friends groped on trains, and in two cases, unable to find the man on camera or in person, said friends were asked, "Why didn't you ride in the women-only car?" and in one of those two, the woman was told it would not have happened if she had, and should do so next time.

Like I said, the man just said what they all practice and believe. He'll be punished for saying it out loud, but not for speaking the truth.

letsberealistic: "No, sadly, Japan is unique in the extent and acceptance of this crime. Knowing this may feel shameful but denial will get us nowhere. The first step to solving a problem is recognising it is a sweriius problem in the first place."

Exactly.

-4 ( +6 / -10 )

Unfortunately, your wife's experience doesn't speak for the experiences of all women. 

Never implied that it did.

When on the train one morning, a woman near me yelled "don't touch me!" to a man next to her. His response was to call her a liar, and then to shout something to the effect that "no one would grope someone as ugly as you." He was so vehement and shouted so loudly and so close to her face that she cowered in fear, while the rest of the train pretended nothing had happened. 

Yes, I’ve heard stories like that before

As for my own experience, I was on the Yamanote with a friend when a guy started pestering us, trying touch us, and saying nasty sexual things. We both yelled at him and told him to leave us the (bleep) alone. Every person on the train stared - but not at him. At us. He wouldn't stop, and we had to get off the train to get away form him. We told the station attendant on the platform, but of course, he didn't do anything as the train had already left. And just by the by, that's not the only time I was ignored by someone in authority when reporting groping. Over the years it's happened so many times I've lost track: clubs, bars, in the train, on the street. So. Many. Times.

Well, I can’t say anything to that, I just have a feisty wife and she did not know at the time how to let that feistiness come out of her to be used to her advantage, and now this is exactly what she does, but usually she doesn’t have to worry about being groped anymore, I think a lot of people in this town understand I know who she is and what she’ll do.

There was also a case on the news where a woman who confronted an upskirt photographer was threatened with a knife. She was lucky to escape.

The bottom line is, women aren't, and shouldn't be, responsible for stopping men from assaulting us.

But at the same time if you take that kind of attitude then things will change, so I do think women do have a responsibility to fight, because if you leave it to the men to police themselves in a situation like this, nothing will change. I thought my wife how to not be a victim, and she is one less statistic

No matter how brave, scrappy, strong, or angry a woman is, men are still bigger, stronger, and can hurt us.

Depends, not always and necessarily true.

We are very well aware of that, which is why most women won't confront men. That is a risk you should not expect any woman to take. 

I can’t agree with that, I grew up with four sisters and was raised in a household for women and I agree, not all women can fight or will fight, but in my family they would and I teach my kids the same thing

And until those in authority take serious action against gropers, and society at large stops blaming women and shaming them, women won't feel safe or able to come forward. 

Again, if women sit back and leave it up to the men to solve this problem, nothing will get done, ever.

"To stop groping, the problem has to be addressed from the top down - laws, attitudes. It's great that yelling at the chikan worked for your wife, but in general, telling women that they must stop gropers themselves is not part of the solution.

I vehemently disagree.

1 ( +8 / -7 )

The good intent was there but the execution was poor. No single type of crime can be totally eliminated but anything that tries to address the problem is a step in the right direction.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

 but as I previously said, when my wife complained to the cops what the guy did, they just scolded him and pushed him to apologize, and that was it, when my wife want to press charges then you could tell that the cops felt, this is just a hassle and they really didn’t want to be part of a broadening complaint and doing more paperwork. That shows you how serious this country is when it comes to dealing with this problem.

I wonder how long ago it was. Groping has long been dealt as nothing but an act of criminal offense.

If you decide to file a damage report, cops cannot reject it and you don't have to care about cops' paper works

etc.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

I have lived in many nations but the 15 years of my life spent in Japan I feel confident is saying that sexual; perversion and sexual crimes against women is far more common in Japan than other 'developed' nations.

Do not hide from this. Do not try to deny it or say others have the same problem. They don't.

So explain the reasons of this kind of statistics. There 're tons of those once you search.

https://knoema.com/wgbiveg/international-crime-statistics-total-sexual-violence

0 ( +2 / -2 )

https://stopstreetharassment.org/resources/statistics/statistics-academic-studies/

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

I still wonder how can a female gaikokujin who asserts to be groped on a regular basis doesn´t think about moving to another country if Japan is so dark.

There are gropers in Japan because of the lack of exchange between males and females. You could give death penalty that it would still happen in that oyaji culture.

No, adult women are not the weak, immature on how to respond, always on their own individual some portait. Or if so, then how can things change ?

In a modern society, every adult as a role to play.

I have a proposal adapted to Japan society : give a bounty to those who give evidence to catch gropers. It could be from an organization dedicated to eradicate this crime.

I am also always amazed that regular groped people don´t have a husband, brother, friend (male or female after all) that can´t solve the problem. Because if I ever hear that from my wife, daughters or sister, the groper would stop his activity for the rest of his life (or need new teeth).

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Heavens sake what next.....

“We have many security cameras installed, but there are many chikan. Passengers who do not want to be groped, station staff will assist with available ladders for customer to lie prostrate on the carriage roof for your journey"

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

@letsberealistic

Your made firm statements as followings

*I have lived in many nations but the 15 years of my life spent in Japan* I feel confident is saying that sexual; perversion and sexual crimes against women is far more common in Japan than other 'developed' nations.

*Do not hide from this. Do not try to deny it or *say others have the same problem. They don't.

and in the other thread about child abuse

*From living in Japan for 15 years, reading news reports and talking to many Japanese over the years I would say Japan is unsafe for children and women compared to most developed nations. Where as in the world can a woman expect to be sexually molested on public transport at least once in their life? I only know of Japan.*

I have been pointing out that is not true as groping on public transport is not the only sexual crimes/assaults to make a nation most unsafe to women.

The reason I put 2nd link is because people do not use heavily-packed trains like Japan as much in other nations ( especially what you define "developed nations") for example, LA... So for a comparison purpose, I chose street harassment.

Australia: Research by The Australia Institute in 2015 of 1426 females found that 87% were verbally or physically attacked while walking down the street. 40% of women feel unsafe in their own neighborhoods at night. In addition to verbal harassment, physical street harassment was also a relatively commonplace occurrence, with 65% of women experiencing physically threatening harassment.

Canada: Using a national sample of 12,300 Canadian women ages 18 and older from 1994, sociology professors Ross Macmillan, Annette Nierobisz, and Sandy Welsh studied the impact of street harassment on women’s perceived sense of safety in 2000. During their research, they found that over 80 percent of the women surveyed had experienced male stranger harassment in public and that those experiences had a large and detrimental impact on their perceived safety in public.

France: A study released in April 2015 in France found that 100% of more than 600 women surveyed across the country had faced sexual harassment on the transit system.

United Kingdom: End Violence Against Women Coalition commissioned YouGov to conduct the first national poll on street harassment in 2016. 64% of women of all ages have experienced unwanted sexual harassment in public places. Additionally, 35% of women had experienced unwanted sexual touching. 85% of women ages 18-24 had faced sexual harassment in public spaces and 45% had experienced unwanted sexual touching.

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I used to teach English to a Japanese man who told me his teenage daughter had been groped by the same Japanese salaryman a few times on the way to school. He and his daughter were able to track down the bastard from where he got on and off the train and where he worked. One day the father came to my English class and said he had done something "very bad" to the sukebe and it involved a baseball bat!

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Why is groping so prevalent on trains in Japan? Anyone care to hazard a guess as to the psychological reasons on why men grope?

Jan 14, 2010 Japan Today

https://japantoday.com/category/have-your-say/why-is-groping-so-prevalent-on-trains-in-japan-anyone-care-to-hazard-a-guess-as-to-the-psychological-reasons-on-why-men-grope

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letsberealistic Today 03:34 pm JST

Trains are equally packed in any major high-density city you care to go to, and anyway what difference does it make to how much sexual assault there is?!

Wow. Really? "What difference does it make how much sexual assault there is"? I really, really hope you don't mean that like it sounds.

Are you saying that cat-calling and sexual harassment is the same as sexual assault ?!

Cat-calling isn't actually a crime, but as it is a form of sexual harassment, it falls into the same category of "sex crimes" alongside sexual assault. All sex-related crimes are part of what we term "rape culture". The more tolerance there is for such crimes, even seemingly petty, not-as-yet-illegal actions like cat calling, the more dangerous that country is for women, because at the heart of them all is sexism and disrespect for women as human beings.

I don't understand why people bring up crimes in other countries and then compare those countries to one another. It makes no difference to me whether sex crimes in Japan are higher or lower than in other countries, because the bottom line is that I live in Japan, so what happens here is what is relevant to me. And sex crimes in Japan are a huge problem for the women who live here.

And no, women are not responsible for stopping the sex crimes perpetrated upon us, particularly when there is a risk that making a fuss or confronting men could get us murdered.

I'm guessing such statements are made by men because they have never been in a situation where a much larger, more violent person has shown that not only do they have no fear of you, show no respect or empathy for your humanity, they also show very clearly that they fully get off on hurting you.

I am of the mind that a lot of you men would react exactly the same as women do, even if you will deny it. And in fact, when men are sexually assaulted they most often tell NO ONE, out of the same sense of shame that women have.

The lack of empathy is absolutely appalling, but is not surprising as is seems to be par for the course that straight white men who carry around privilege and entitlement.

-7 ( +6 / -13 )

As a male, I would be very curious to hear what women want to happen and what would help them feel as safe as men feel when they ride the trains or walk through urban areas.

It is obvious that what is being done is not fixing the problem. I have seen women opt for car 9 despite car 10 having more room and only women and the answer often given is: it’s convenient.

I don’t blame them. Why should a woman feel like she needs to go to a specific car and sacrifice convenience for safety. And it isn’t just trains. Nearly every time I walk through one of the larger central Tokyo stations, women are constantly being approached by the sleaziest of men trying to give them “work” while they’re simply trying to get to their destination.

I do not think that Japan is the worst place for women to live. It has some features that women around the world would envy, but more can and should be done.

So, I do think it is time for women to be given a microphone and the attention of a nation willing to put an end to this garbage.

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Curious to know what those 'features' would be. I tried but can't really think of any.

I can't think of many, either @letsberealistic

I like Japan very much, and enjoyed my time living there. But I definitely wouldn't recommend going there to study or live to my teenage daughters!

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'Passengers who don’t want to be groped, please use the rear train cars'

So does this mean if I want to be groped I should go to the front?

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Groping is so boring. Why do losers resort to that? Pathetic. Can't get a real girl when they are everywhere.

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Kenny, sorry, did you have a point?

Trains are equally packed in any major high-density city you care to go to, and anyway what difference does it make to how much sexual assault there is?!

I also lived in several cities, LA, London, Paris, HongKong, Vancouver , NY, ...not so long as 15 years though.

I have never experienced trains/metro equally packed as Japan is. Well it's been while so I don't know it now.

I guess crowdedness in the car is related to groping, which is the reason this man tried to persuade female passengers to move away from the front cars which are most heavily packed.

Are you saying that cat-calling and sexual harassment is the same as sexual assault ?!

Okaaaay ,...

Ok, In such case, please check the 1s link I provided which is ranking of sexual violence= Rapes and sexual assaults

https://knoema.com/wgbiveg/international-crime-statistics-total-sexual-violence

I see no reason why you would want to defend or deny the state of sexual deviancy in Japan, except that ... well, I don't want to suggest something about you as I don't know you.

Where did I ever defend or deny that state may I ask?

Please don't be part of the problem. Even if it's not the worst in the world, you have to admit it's a problem and worth doing something about, no!?

Elaborate a bit more how I could possibly be part of the problem please. I don't have to admit it's a problem as I have never denied that it is a big/shameful/disgusting problem and am all for doing something about it.

Kenny, sorry, did you have a point?

Yes I did and I have been having a point. I also pointed that out ....

Your firm statements that sexual perversion and sexual crimes against women is far more common in Japan than other 'developed' nations.... and that Japan is unsafe for children and women compared to most developed nations are both incorrect.

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I laughed out loud when I first heard this.

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Groping is so boring. Why do losers resort to that? Pathetic. Can't get a real girl when they are everywhere.

There are a couple of reasons, one of them could be just for the sheer thrill of knowing they’re not supposed to do, but they know if they do the woman will usually do nothing and that suspense and the anticipation can arouse and bring excitement to some.

Another is, they’re lonely and need the physically gratification of a touch.

The other, a sense of euphoric power knowing that they can do it and pretty much get away with it.

And no, women are not responsible for stopping the sex crimes perpetrated upon us, particularly when there is a risk that making a fuss or confronting men could get us murdered.

Again, if women think like that then don’t expect changes to happen, they won’t. If women want to really stop this they need to make themselves loud and clear. Go and protest, talk to local or government officials, hold legal rallies, show the J-government that this is very serious. Try getting booked on TV documentaries or news, but never expect the men to take up action on women's behalf to solve this issue because most men will never see the urgency to stop this and women will continue to be harassed. Not trying to sound cold or heartless, but that’s just the reality. Women have to put this in politicians face and deeply embarrass them and once that happens, watch how things will change and very fast.

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If I had punched him in his face and broken his jaw or flew his a few front teeth away form his mouth, I could have been put in jail by a charge of body injury, so I nailed him down and grabbed his neck and made him to apologize to my wife( before marriage while dating) and then dragged him to the station staff in crowded Ginza station, who did nothing as he was too busy to punching tickets. A big guy showed up to stop and block me as he thought I was using violence toward this man, who then didn't miss the chance and run away like a rat while I was dealing with this big guy.

It was a long time ago. I still cannot forget it like STPD.

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So annoying. How about recommending women to carry stun guns? or such infamous Saikyo Line should start

playing inner-carriage announcement recorded like a background music saying " Groping is a Crime, Groping is a Crime...." even if it comes up as headlines of world news again as Japan's shameful realities...

How's that?

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Of course it meant PTSD

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How about a convicted groper gets a G seared into his forehead?

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Ken, please Google crowded trains with Paris, London, and then Tokyo. I think you'll see a crowded train is a crowded train wherever you are - it's a train fully packed with people.

OooKK I didn't bother. It must be so heavily packed as security camera wouldn't mean anything.

> A link is not an answer to a question. Sexual assault is worse than cat-calling. You will go straight to prison for sexual assault but I don't think you will for catcalling.

Did you check the 1st link which is not about catcalling but actual sexual violence = Rape and sexual assault as

defined by UN?

> Your whole post is a denial Ken. You're saying sexual assault on Japanese trains is no worse than on other nations. This is clearly a denial since no nation on Earth has as much sexual assault on public transport. None.

Sorry you keep missing my point or may have some reading problems. I have been saying that groping in the trains alone should not constitute your assertion ....like what I repeatedly copied to let you know.

> You are denying Japan has a serious problem with sexual assault. You are diminishing the level of seriousness by saying it's no worse than other nations. You are suggesting sexual assault is no worse than cat-calling.

Again. I pointed out the mere erroneous statement you made.

*Your firm statements *that sexual perversion and sexual crimes against women is far more common in Japan than other 'developed' nations.... and that Japan is unsafe for children and women compared to most developed nations

*Your firm statements *that sexual perversion and sexual crimes against women is far more common in Japan than other 'developed' nations.... and that Japan is unsafe for children and women compared to most developed nations are both incorrect.

This is a fact that must be accepted for action to be taken. If you are ashamed of this - help make it better!!

No it is far from a fact.

I advise you to focus on ranking of groping in the train if there is any... rather than asserting Japan is the most unsafe nation compared to other " developed nation".

You got stucked, try to sort out THE POINTS I made

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This is a fact that must be accepted for action to be taken. If you are ashamed of this - help make it better!!

And you are doing what? just posting?

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My Japanese wife has plenty of stories of being flashed and felt up. On the other hand, I know a rather meek and mild little man who was falsely accused of groping a young woman in a train.

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the bottom line is that I live in Japan

> seems to be par for the course that straight white men who carry around privilege and entitlement.

Something doesn't add up here.

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If I use the front carriages does that guarantee I will get groped?

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How is it that Taiwan (extremely similar to Japan) does not have these issues??? Maybe Japan should learn something from Taiwan.

Taiwanese women will cry out for help as soon as it happens.

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I am American and Japanese.

All I can say is, being groped is far better that being shot or attacked on a train in the USA. Never happened to me but is a common occurrence as of late if you follow the news back home in America. A senseless killing spree or racially motivated attack not just race but for a SENSELESS reason.

And btw, being able to move in a packed morning rush hour packed train for a long commute is hard enough. Also, do you know there are females who falsely accuse a would be groper, then calls them out and later tries to blackmail for cash not to press charges......two victims in this equation. Again, never happened to me, but have seen it and the accuser sometimes would give Jabba the Hut a run for its money, in this case looks from bystanders as if to say "who in their right mind would even think of groping you....." :)

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BTT oday 12:35 pm JST

All I can say is, being groped is far better that being shot or attacked on a train in the USA.

Well, next time I'm on the train and being groped by a stinky oyaji, I'll remember this and be totally relieved. "Well," I'll say to myself, "at least I'm not being shot." And I'm sure that will make me feel 100% better.

I hope you are sure to recommend this technique to all women. In fact, when you go to work tomorrow, be sure to tell all the women in your office "If you were groped on your way to work this morning, don't be upset - just thank goodness that at least you were not shot on a train in America." Let me know how it goes!

And btw, being able to move in a packed morning rush hour packed train for a long commute is hard enough. Also, do you know there are females who falsely accuse a would be groper, then calls them out and later tries to blackmail for cash not to press charges......two victims in this equation.

Oh yes, of course - if a woman says a man groped her, it's only 99.95% chance of being true - therefore, we should be sure to sharply question women and assume they are the guilty ones when they make such accusations. We would not want to accidentally inconvenience a man in any way, by assuming he is guilty and questioning him, now would we.

Again, never happened to me, but have seen it and the accuser sometimes would give Jabba the Hut a run for its money, in this case looks from bystanders as if to say "who in their right mind would even think of groping you....." :)

HAHAHAHA .... yeah, no kidding, right?? Because as we all know, only young hotties get groped. Older women who are my age, or grandmothers, or women who are fat, and of course, men, never ever experience sexual assault, amitrite?

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bass4funkSep. 11 06:01 pm JST

Again, if women think like that then don’t expect changes to happen, they won’t.

I see. So women are responsible for stopping male sexual aggression, and if we don't fight back, and risk being beaten up or even murdered, and they keep being sexually aggressive, then well, that our own lookout, huh.

If women want to really stop this they need to make themselves loud and clear. Go and protest, talk to local or government officials, hold legal rallies, show the J-government that this is very serious.

We do this already, or haven't you noticed? You must not have or you wouldn't be suggesting we do things that we have been doing for literally DECADES. I guess you have never heard of the word "feminism" or knew that we even have our own books, groups, and arrange protests and marches and everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_Demo

Look it up, you'll be glad you did.

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