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19-year-old arrested for stalking 9-year-old girl

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Police in Koge, Fukuoka Prefecture, have arrested a 19-year-old unemployed youth on suspicion of stalking a 9-year-old girl.

According to police, the suspect, who cannot be named because he is a minor, said he just wanted to tell the girl how much he liked her.

Police said that the suspect approached girl at around 5 p.m. on Wednesday in the bicycle parking lot outside the residential complex where she lives, and again on Thursday at 12:30 p.m. on the stairs at her apartment building.

On Wednesday, the girl told her family that a man whom she didn’t know had approached her twice and called out to her. Her parents contacted police. On Thursday, when the suspect showed up again, police arrested him.

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Nice to see the police do some policing.

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Another mental defective, but hopefully safely detained and will be restricted from causing harm to this little girl or others.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

In my country a 19 year old is legally an adult. They can vote, drink, get married. A 19 year old is not a minor. Old enough to know what he's doing, old enough to face the adult justice system.

12 ( +17 / -5 )

He has most likely a developmental disability.

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Not saying I might not feel a little anxious if I were the parents, but at any point was he told to cease?

Let's say for the sake of argument they were both 19, he was interested, but she wasn't and he wasn't aware of that and all other circumstances were the same. As no other facts were given could the police just come in and arrest the guy under that hypothetical?

-3 ( +5 / -8 )

A 19 year old allegedly stalking a 9 year old girl, come on for g*ds sake what is going on in your head?

5 ( +8 / -3 )

If he is in fact mentally disabled he needs to be under lock and key 24 hours a day, and only be allowed out in public with a qualified minder. I see far too many of these types out and about by themselves, muttering to themselves and even having arguments with imaginary people.

And if it turns out he doesn't have any mental illnesses and is just a creep, he needs to be tagged and castrated

-5 ( +5 / -10 )

He liked her first but didn't know she was under age. Sometimes under age looks adult esp in western world.

He didn't know a nine year old was under age? Don't be absurd - nine year olds never look grown up; not in the West and especially not in Japan. You may occasionally get some who are beginning to go through premature puberty but they are not grown up in any sense. You sound like an apologist for a very disturbed individual.

He can tell that he wants to make her his sister but should know stalking is illegal at his age.

Make her his sister? Given your earlier comments I am now even more disturbed

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the suspect, who cannot be named because he is a minor, said he just wanted to tell the girl how much he liked her, 

Japan really needs to stop referring to 19 year old men as minors. They weren't minors when put into torpedoes at 16!

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For those saying that in their countries 19 is a minor, or that Japan needs to change/fix this - I'm open to the idea, also having grown up in countries where 19 was not a minor.

But what is the reasoning behind it? Is there some scientific justification that shows someone can be considered an adult at 19? Or is there some social contract by which 19 is the magic key?

I know that the brain doesn't fully develop the logic centers until around 25, so I can see some reasoning behind setting the age of adulthood being a little later than earlier, but others obviously feel quite strongly the other way.

Rather than just saying 'Japan is wrong', how about providing some reasoning behind it, rather than just 'because we do it differently'.

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he just wanted to tell the girl how much he liked her

Yes. Acceptable if you are also 9 years old.

@Mizu no oto

Would you give that chance if it was your daughter?

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I would rather then not name victim or suspect (all are equal under law...supposedly). Wait until after conviction. In the West especially, allegations alone are enough to publish a person's name, causing him to lose his job and any future prospects. The victims name is not published, unless she wants it to be so. Equaliity under the law. If he's proven to be innocent (notice the west's flip on the innocent until proven guilty), he still has the cloud over him and cannot get a decent job as he's "tainted." Perhaps, if we can't go back to not naming until conviction, we should go to loser does winners jail time (variant on loser pays) and have the accuser go to jail and be labelled whatever offender they were going to name the other. Simply suing only gives money. His punishment was not going to be aljust a fine.

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@StrangerlandToday 06:38 pm JST

I'll say the word "minor" is only useful in a particular context if you are planning to either privilege or restrict him.

So the question is less whether a 19-year old is not playing on a full deck compared to a 25 year old, as whether that degree of degradation justifies what is effectively a privileged treatment.

There are many reasons why people don't play on a full deck when they commit their crimes. They had a bad education. They were drunk. They were tired. They had a really bad day at the office. They had a lot on their mind that day. All of these will degrade his judgment ability. And yet for the sake of equality, for the purpose of ensuring all are covered by the law, we do not permit most of these as excuses.

So, should being 19 years old qualify in that narrow hole?

Personally, I think we can delay full majority until 25, but the privilege should only be restricted to complex problems that require a high degree of foresight or balancing of multiple factors. In civil law, I might let him off contracts I will consider permanently binding on a more mature person. In criminal law, I'll excuse him for misreading the boundaries of self-defense or resorting to self-help.

But stalking is a relatively simple problem. Not as simple as murder (I think for murder and theft we should drag criminal responsibility down to something like 7), but I think you should be able to get it by 14 (approximately). By 19 you shouldn't receive any privileges for such a simple problem.

-4 ( +1 / -5 )

perv

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

19 year olds are not children and shouldn't be treated as such.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Better safe than sorry.

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In my country a 19 year old is legally an adult. They can vote, drink, get married. A 19 year old is not a minor. Old enough to know what he's doing, old enough to face the adult justice system.

The key point being in your country. In this country, Japan, it is probably 25. No joke.

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Better safe than sorry.

That was my take on what occurred as reported in this article. The parents took this seriously and a young man who had an inappropriate (to say the least) interest in their daughter was thwarted.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Based on the brilliance which is Japanese law, both the 19 year old and the 9 year old are minors.

-1 ( +5 / -6 )

What difference does it make? The 19-year-old is sexually mature and a 9-year-old isn't. This is a case of a pervert stalking a minor for sure. This guy is sick.

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From the information given in his artical, nothing of a sexual nature was said or done.

My gut feeling is that the 19 year old has mental deficiency issues, which need to be addessed.

I just hope that police / prosecutors will not force a false confession out of him.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

Anyway,  19-year-old unemployed youth could harm again if he get bail, so the family need to be careful so much.

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Firstly I should make it clear this guy was wrong.

But comparing him to western men of a similar age, does not justify locking him up and throwing the key away.

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I wonder if people understand the reasoning behind treating minors as minors. It seems the resonating is ‘it was bad, so he should be treated as an adult’. Before deciding to remove the protection of youth, two things need to be established:

1) What is the reasoning behind having protection for youth?

2) By what can we determine someone to be a youth?

And of course, because I’m me I’m going to answer those questions.

The answer to the first is because we give the youth the opportunity to live their lives as adults without spending their entire lives paying for mistakes they made as children. Why does it matter that they are children, and why should we therefore give a degree of leniency? Well that brings us to number two.

The human brain isn’t considered to be fully developed until about 25 years old. In particular, the logic centres of the brain are still developing in the early 20s, according to current science.

So, why is Japan wrong, and why are other countries right, for not treating a 19 year old as an adult? What justifies the actions of the other countries decisions that japan is not considering?

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I don't think it is so much "It is bad so he should be treated as an adult" as "This problem was really easy. There should be little difference between his ability to process it compared to a person one or two years older than him. So why should he get a break when that guy a mere two years older than him, or who just happens to be in another country, doesn't?" or "There's a point when we just have to face facts and accept that the kid was not 'impulsive' or 'misguided' or 'shortsighted' - he was just evil. If that's the case, why should he be let off for an arbitrary age limit."

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There should be little difference between his ability to process it compared to a person one or two years older than him

And what science are you basing this upon?

why should he get a break

It’s not a break. It’s leniency. And it’s actually a very transparent reason - I’ve even mentioned it in this very thread.

What I find troubling is that you don’t know the answer to that question and yet you’re still saying this guy should be treated as an adult. You’re making determinations without even knowing exactly what you’re talking about.

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Misapplication of law, Strangerland. Let's go over the rules of the tripartite system. Once objective and subjective aspects of the Tabestand are established by the prosecution, unlawfulness and culpability are presumed, and have to be rebutted by the defense. In this case, you.

It is not hard to establish that a 19 year old will, on average, be inferior to a 20 or 25 year old in thinking capabilities, even without invoking neuroscience - he just has less life experience, with the deficit particularly severe in work experience (school is a rather sheltered environment compared to the average workplace). However, a small inferiority is insufficient to rebutt culpability. Analogize this to diminished responsibility and the insanity defense. The defense will have to establish the defendant is quite out of it to even get to the diminished responsibility area, and you are effectively asking for more than that. You will have to work hard to establish Defendant as nearly insane.

We may also look at exactly what parts neuroscience say the pre-25 year old are weak in (beyond his lack of experience). Usually, it is said that they have poorer isolation of their emotions - a fact commonly recognized just by looking at teenagers. So we may accept they are in Affekt (heat of passion), with the corresponding culpability reductions, more easily. Nevertheless, even accepting a reduced standard it is difficult to envisage Defendant as being validly in Affekt in this case based on the currently available facts.

The second is generally a relative weakness in long term thinking. But reduced does not mean none, and does the rights and wrongs of stalking really heavily rely on long-term thinking? Is it really some kind of finely balanced decision of morals and law, closely fought between right and wrong? Really?

If not then I don't see why his mental deficit should be considered sufficient to exempt him from culpability.

Finally, convictions and prison are life breaking for anyone, except possibly the old man who is already reaping in his savings and benefits. While the consequences do trend towards being heavier with youth, it is a gradual shift and there is no justification for an immunity wall.

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It is not hard to establish that a 19 year old will, on average, be inferior to a 20 or 25 year old in thinking capabilities, even without invoking neuroscience - he just has less life experience, with the deficit particularly severe in work experience (school is a rather sheltered environment compared to the average workplace). However, a small inferiority is insufficient to rebutt culpability.

No no, culpability must be proven, not rebutted. That's how innocent until proven guilty works.

You will have to work hard to establish Defendant as nearly insane.

Ummm, are you even talking about the same article? Who is talking insanity?

I'm not even sure if I should bother replying to the rest of your thread - I think you replied to a different issue than you thought you were.

Nevertheless, even accepting a reduced standard it is difficult to envisage Defendant as being validly in Affekt in this case based on the currently available facts.

Um, yeah, of course it is - the 'currently available facts' are a few paragraphs in an article in another language.

If not then I don't see why his mental deficit should be considered sufficient to exempt him from culpability.

Being young is not a 'mental deficit'. No one is claiming anyone should be exempted from culpability.

It's so hard to reply to your post, because in your question to look intelligent through using a lot of big words (which 9x out of 10 means the person is trying to get out of supporting their argument by looking intelligent), you're stated arguments no one is making, and debating against points no one has made.

And who cares if you don't see why, the fact is, society has found a reason why youths should receive a degree of lenience. If you have a problem with that, you need to either:

1) Show how he isn't eligible for lenience due to not qualifying, or

2) Show how showing lenience to minors is wrong.

So far you've tried to say being a minor is a mental deficiency. Hardly an argument.

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@StrangerlandToday 03:37 pm JST

To settle the first point, I refer you to:

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A7%8B%E6%88%90%E8%A6%81%E4%BB%B6

Find "責任推定機能". "責任" is the Japanese equivalent of culpability. "推定" is presume. Hopefully, that settles this question, but just one more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense where it is stated

The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case

and

In federal court, and in Arizona, the burden is placed on the defendant, who must prove insanity by clear and convincing evidence.[35] See 18 U.S.C.S. Sec. 17(b); see also A.R.S. Sec. 13-502(C).

so this is not a unique Japanese or tripartite feature. In the bipartite system in Common Law, the prosecution's part will usually be the actus and mens rea. Once that's set up, the defenses are by the defendant.

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Find "責任推定機能". "責任" is the Japanese equivalent of culpability. "推定" is presume. Hopefully, that settles this question,

First off, 推定 does not mean 'presume'.

Second, that line does not show how he doesn't qualify for leniency.

The insanity defense, also known as the mental disorder defense, is an affirmative defense by excuse in a criminal case

Again why are you talking about insanity? No one has ever claimed minors are insane. In fact, making that claim would be insane.

I can't tell if you are just trying to avoid the argument by making a post so off topic as to be confusing.

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Well, Google translates it into "estimate" (meaningless in this context), "presume" or "assume". Presumption of innocence also goes to 推定無罪 in the English v Japanese wikis. You are the first guy I met who suggests otherwise, so please propose your alternative mapping.

The point of pointing out the insanity defense is to show who gets the onus on proof on culpability related issues.

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The human brain isn’t considered to be fully developed until about 25 years old.

In other words, relative to an adult mind, a youth has a mental deficit. In this, it is actually similar to the insanity defense. Both involve trying to refute culpability by claiming temporary or permanent mental deficits.

I know you are a bit peeved I analogized the two, but that's probably because of how severe "insane" is. I will agree that most kids (to say nothing of 19 year olds) are very much mentally sound compared to an "insane" person. Yet this soundness defeats the attempt to claim a culpability reduction or elimination. If he is nearly as sound as an adult, he deserves to be treated "nearly" the same.

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Presumption of innocence also goes to 推定無罪 in the English v Japanese wikis. You are the first guy I met who suggests otherwise, so please propose your alternative mapping.

Who is talking about presumption of innocence? We are talking about minors receiving lenience for being minors. No one is claiming that someone should be innocent because they are a minor.,

The point of pointing out the insanity defense is to show who gets the onus on proof on culpability related issues.

Which is entirely unrelated to lenience to minors.

In other words, relative to an adult mind, a youth has a mental deficit. In this, it is actually similar to the insanity defense. Both involve trying to refute culpability by claiming temporary or permanent mental deficits.

No, because lenience for minors is not refuting culpability. This is where your equivalence is shown not only to be incorrect, but therefore also irrelevant.

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