2 Americans wanted in Ghosn's escape now in Japanese custody

I suspect prosecutors are hoping that the Taylors provide information implicating Ghosn's wife Carole or son Anthony in planning and financing the escape. Carlos himself is probably resigned to spending the rest of his days in Lebanon, but it's something else entirely to subject your family to the same fate. If his wife or son can be charged and extradited while traveling overseas, will Ghosn return to Japan to testify in their defence?

The Taylors are not going to enjoy their trip to Japan: Omoteinashi...Nashi!

Let's hope Ghosn fat paycheck was enough to support their families.

There'll be endless interrogations until they can convict.

There'll be endless interrogations until they can convict.

or

There'll be endless interrogations until they give all relevant information that the prosecutors require..

Is it always necessary for media to publish the names of people before they have been found guilty? These are all very thin justifications for revealing the name of someone who hasn’t been adjudicated guilty yet.

It certainly looks like they did it, but is this really enough to be sure? We just don’t have all the details.

And, yes, have met some uniform police officers with ‘questionable’ motives on the streets. 

A presumption of innocence does not mean that the allegations are assumed to be wrong. It simply means that the accused cannot be punished prior to conviction.

Kelly got in detention for months and his trial is taking years to finish.

by now is pretty clear that his Japanese counterparts committed the fraud. but Kelly is the only that's actually paying for it.

the Taylors are going to suffer the same.

I suspect prosecutors are hoping that the Taylors provide information implicating Ghosn's wife Carole or son Anthony in planning and financing the escape. Carlos himself is probably resigned to spending the rest of his days in Lebanon, but it's something else entirely to subject your family to the same fate. If his wife or son can be charged and extradited while traveling overseas, will Ghosn return to Japan to testify in their defence?

Probably right. If you can't get the man, intimidate his family. This tactic was used by the Japanese in occupied territory's in WW2. Once cowards, always cowards.

Clue me in. Does America have an extradition treaty with Japan?

@Michael MachidaToday  08:14 am JST

Clue me in. Does America have an extradition treaty with Japan?

really... the proof is in the pudding.

‘To liberate the oppressed’ must be an euphemism for being paid a lot of money.

Man I just CANNOT believe they turned them over when what JAPAN did to Kelly.......this is insane!!!

I was curious as to what the extradition was and found the Taylors are being extradited for

https://casetext.com/case/in-re-extradition-of-taylor-1

Article 103  

A person who harbors or enables the escape of another person who has either committed a crime punishable with a fine or greater punishment or has escaped from confinement shall be punished by imprisonment with work for not more than 2 years or a fine of not more than 200,000 yen.

http://www.japaneselawtranslation.go.jp/law/detail_main?re=02&ia=03&vm=02&id=1960

Treaty on extradition (with schedule and exchange of notes). Signed at Tokyo on 3 March 1978

The requesting Party shall not, except in any of the following circumstances, detain, prosecute, try nor punish a person surrendered under this Treaty for an offense other than that for which extradition has been granted 

https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/volume%201203/volume-1203-I-19228-English.pdf

After checking the "following circumstances" they do not seem to apply in this case.

Sign the confession, get 23 years suspended for 25, and get deported and never allowed to return.

When they became a part of such a high profile escape, they should have expected the consequences.

Their business is done for, once they are convicted it is doubtful whether they can travel outside of US.

I hope Ghosn paid them enough!!!

You play, you pay.

they didn’t have to get involved in this scheme but chose to and will now pay a dear price. Hard to feel sorry for them.

Michael Taylor, a............................ has never denied the allegations.

Under 人質司法, this is seen as the person is guilty and has done whatever the prosecutors came up with. I'd guess they will plead not guilty. Also, the suspect does not have the right to see an attorney before trial or have one present during interrogation sessions. Despite having the right to remain silent, you must be present at the interrogation. And the guys inside the interrogation room will just put a pressure on them. Ridiculous.

Yeah, it's 2021 here in Japan..

Re: @8:04am -

This is a relevant question @Alongfortheride from ‘Your’ post Mar. 1  7:09a JST: “Is it always necessary for media to publish the names of people before they have been found guilty?”

Yes, @P. Smith Mar. 1  08:28 am JST “These are all very thin justifications for revealing the name of someone who hasn’t been adjudicated guilty yet.”, in response to @Mark Mar. 1  8:10a JST regarding the public’s ‘freedom of information’

Debatable? @WilliB from ‘Your’ Mar. 1  12:34p JST post that really looks out of context here: “It certainly looks like he did it, but is this really enough to be sure?”

Seems out of context here @smh ‘Your’ Mar. 1 11:18p JST post: “And, yes, have met some uniform police officers with ‘questionable’ motives on the streets;....”

Agreed, in the context that You authored it @ReynardFox from‘Your’ 2:51 am JST post: “A presumption of innocence does not mean that the allegations are assumed to be wrong. It simply means that the accused cannot be punished prior to conviction.“

And the Brits are still waiting for the boy killer who fled the country under the false pretense of diplomatic immunity. Thank you America for getting your priorities right.

Wow, looking at some of these posts it's like the North Korean justice system is better than Japan's. Like in Japan they force you to talk by pulling out fingernails and drilling into your kneecaps. And the US system is complicit in the torture of these fine people

Your comments ring ‘familiar’ @P. Smith 10:02a JST in answer to 8:04a.

Tremendously sad news. Japan's highly flawed and racist justice system will ensure they are not given a just or civilised trial.

Wow, looking at some of these posts it's like the North Korean justice system is better than Japan's. Like in Japan they force you to talk by pulling out fingernails and drilling into your kneecaps. And the US system is complicit in the torture of these fine people

Japan's justice system is full of documented physical and mental torture cases.

I hear some Ghosnbeliever's sobbings in the distance..I love Japan !!..

why would Ghosn supporters be sobbing, Ghosn outsmarted J justice and is now out of reach to them.

Let's hope Ghosn fat paycheck was enough to support their families.

thats their mistake , they should of asked for 3 times as much then retired to a country with no extradition treaty with Japan, Ghosn seems to outsmarted everybody

Carlos himself is probably resigned to spending the rest of his days in Lebanon,

well he is a Lebanese citizen and with his money can live very comfortably in Lebanon with his wife

Under Trump. the U.S. State Department agreed in October to hand the men over to Japan..

Classic subterfuge.. Under Biden they were handed over...Trump in all probability would have blocked.

I had no idea. Well, I have been schooled.

Is it always necessary for media to publish the names of people before they have been found guilty? These are all very thin justifications for revealing the name of someone who hasn’t been adjudicated guilty yet.

He already went public with it himself (and presumably was paid for it) -

[ Michael Taylor, a U.S. Army Special Forces veteran and private security specialist who in the past was hired by parents to rescue abducted children, has never denied the allegations.

He gave an interview to Vanity Fair magazine for a story last year in which he described the mission in detail. When asked why he did it, he responded with the motto of the Special Forces: “De oppresso liber” or “to liberate the oppressed,” the magazine reported. ]

[ How Carlos Ghosn Escaped Japan, According to ... - Vanity Fair

www.vanityfair.com › news › 2020/07 › how-carlos-gh...

Jul 23, 2020 — Ex-Green Beret Michael Taylor tells the whole story of helping the former Nissan and Renault exec flee house arrest in Japan. ]

I expected more from a great democracy like the US,if it was the other way around I seriously doubt that Japan would give one of it's citizen despite the crime.

These two guys will face inhuman interrogations and deprivation of the human dignity by a country which still doesn't fully comprehend the real meaning of democracy and human rights,which were imposed by the winner.

As a citizen of the EU I thank the providence that we didn't sign any kind of extradition with a country that still psychologically torture suspects.

Let us hope that with the world watching at this trial they might at least pretend to be more just.

After all we do all know that for them saving face is everything.

Vanity Fair?? Really??

Probably trying to get publicity for a future contract and should have just kept his mouth shut.

Classic subterfuge.. Under Biden they were handed over...Trump in all probability would have blocked.

There is a difference between the two. One follows the law (hint: Biden), and one doesn't.

At the end, even AG Barr choked on some of crap (hint: subterfuge) T'bone wanted him to swallow.

Classic gross mischaracterization of a staged fact. If Trump had been willing to block the extraditions, his State Department would not have agreed to extradite these two

Another classic subterfuge..there is big difference between State Department initially agreeing to something and than later making amendments, the president can anyway, always block any such extradition.

Seems many think its ok to do crimes in Japan and those who break the law should not be subjected to its justice system because it's "archaic".

Thats simply stupid, if you dont want to be subject to a country's "archaic" laws and justice system them dont go to there and break the law or dont go there at all.

These two people didnt even do something inadvertent, they deliberately went into Japan to smuggle somebody out.

But if they are wrongfully accused it may be another matter, are they?

@i@an

those who break the law should not be subjected to its justice system because it's "archaic".

you get to acknowledge that the Japanese justice is archaic. well done!

But if they are wrongfully accused it may be another matter, are they?

that's the subject of debate.

is not clear if they committed a crime as defined in the Japanese law-book.

is not clear if they committed a crime as defined in the Japanese law-book

Having committed a crime or not is precisely what they try to establish in court right?

you get to acknowledge that the Japanese justice is archaic. well done

I simply do not know, thats why its in quotation marks

What i know is that many suspects are killed in other countries before they get to the non-archaic courts

i@nToday  03:32 pm JST

Seems many think its ok to do crimes in Japan and those who break the law should not be subjected to its justice system because it's "archaic".

Thats simply stupid, if you dont want to be subject to a country's "archaic" laws and justice system them dont go to there and break the law or dont go there at all.

These two people didnt even do something inadvertent, they deliberately went into Japan to smuggle somebody out.

But if they are wrongfully accused it may be another matter, are they?

So you put yourself in the position of judicator and decided who is stupid or not.

This is not to be for or against a country but for justice and treat humans in a correct way.

So Japan wants to compare itself to the west democracies but seems closer to China in it’s juridical system?

Absolutely wrong is your idea.

So you put yourself in the position of judicator and decided who is stupid or not.

Lol everyone here does

I expected more from a great democracy like the US, if it was the other way around I seriously doubt that Japan would give one of it's citizen despite the crime.

Well it's at times like this that one sees how "democratic" the US is...geopolitical concerns win the day.

Although, as pointed out above, he sold his story to the media last year and admitted to the alleged actions.

These guys won't crack like the Japanese do when they are interrogated. These guys are not some weak chumps! If you get time search what these guys have done in their life, and you will find they are quite awesome!

@ i@n

Thats simply stupid, if you dont want to be subject to a country's "archaic" laws and justice system them dont go to there and break the law or dont go there at all.

These two people didnt even do something inadvertent, they deliberately went into Japan to smuggle somebody out.

But if they are wrongfully accused it may be another matter, are they?

Well, if you don't want to go to jail, don't break the law. That's true. However, this is all about getting a fair trial. Sure, they have done something. I do not dispute that. I think that nobody does dispute their actions.

However, you are not the judge, are you? It's up to the to give a verdict, declare guilty or not guilty. It's not about the spite of the prosecutors, government's revenge, etc. But in Japan and in this situation, it's only about the revenge of our governent and prosecutors being above the judge. And if under 人質司法, you deny the accusations, you're just being held as already convicted. That is archaic, barbaric.

Having committed a crime or not is precisely what they try to establish in court right?

Bingo! But not here. See just how they were brought here. And how they are/will be held until then.

The Japanese legal system will ****them

in the ****.

I thought the US never allows it's citizens to be prosecuted out of US.

Many instances the US fights "tooth and nail" to have it's citizens tried at "home", what happened to these two being handed over to another territory?

Are their rights guaranteed?

Japanese prosecutors itching to take revenge is just pathetic. I'll bet they will be detained for hundreds of days for the irrational fear of incompetent Prosecutors of "destroying evidence". It's sad to be a lawyer in Japan. People look at them like a joke.