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20-year-old man held for abducting 11-year-old girl in Nagano

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Police said Friday they have arrested a 20-year-old man from Nagano Prefecture after he allegedly lured an 11-year-old girl from her home in Aichi Prefecture.

According to police, the suspect, identified as Takumi Yoshida, befriended the elementary school girl via an online chat service and convinced her to meet him. Police said the girl's mother reported her missing on March 13 after she was informed by the school that her daughter did not show up for classes.

TBS reported that the girl was found by police at around 4 a.m. on March 14 at Yoshida's residence in Nagano, a four-hour train journey from her home in Toyota City. The mother shared a cell phone with her daughter and she reported an unknown number on the phone to police. The number turned out to be Yoshida's.

According to police, Yoshida has been charged with abduction of a minor. During police questioning, he was quoted as saying that he likes little girls.

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he was quoted as saying that he likes little girls.

Creep!

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Lolita culture is to blame, I'm sure if left to the government to raise awareness about this, they'd issue a campain poster with an AKB member.

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Jesus this is scary. Was she ok? I hope he didn't hurt her.

My daughter has a cellphone but it's one where she can only call or receive from numbers pre-approved by me. Raising a daughter is hard! I know it sounds paranoid but sometimes the news gives you the impression that these creeps lurk around every corner just poised waiting to lure your little girl away. So hard to strike a balance between a little freedom and still being protective enough.

My daughter and I talk all the time about everything and I hope that openness will be her biggest protection as she gets older. But who really knows for sure if they are getting it right or not?

Well, just glad in this case this girl was found and hopefully unharmed.

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I am glad they found her so fast and that hopefully she is ok. What a creep.

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Hopefully, she is OK and has learned a lesson.

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@ChibaChick

My daughter has a cellphone but it's one where she can only call or receive from numbers pre-approved by me.

When cellphones first became popular there were a lot of complaints about children taking them and using them at school. I suggested something along the same lines - but actually a little "stricter" because there would have been only three numbers kids could call : Parents, close family friend or the police.

It's great that you talk with your daughter ! I have a strange feeling there's a lot less talking between mothers - and also fathers - and daughters going on over here.

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Obviously something had already happened to her. It was 4:00am in the morning. I hope she is mentally okay. I guess this is a lesson for her to be more careful about the world wide "web" where predators can catch you. I hope that this young man quoted saying "he likes little girls" goes to a asylum to get checked out, this way other girls are safe!

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I agree with Cortes Elijah. I hope that this young girl recovers and her trust can grow again.

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It would be nice if we had a society where we admitted pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder, hated pedophiles less ( only a small percentage of pedophiles are molesters), and had services where they could seek psychiatric help. By having the acute rage that we do, we push the problem underground and ensure that none of them seek treatment. It's like any other issue where shame worsens the problem and further alienates the person from society. Those who are alienated from society are more likely to act out against it.

But it's simply easier to be reactionary and emotional which never helped any problem ever.

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These pedophiles should be locked away for life! CAN they be rehabilitated? Can you EVER trust them? If the day ever comes when pedophilia is considered "progressive" or a normal behavior by a small percentage of society will be the end of my days.

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MarkG:

You can certainly rest assured that almost all societies around the globe are becoming increasingly protective of their children, to the point of hysteria in some cases where a teenager sending nude pics of herself to her underage boyfriend are getting her locked up for producing child porn and him for possessing it. People are also getting locked up for cartoon images of children. So, no, it doesn't look like it will turn into a pedophile's utopia anytime soon, much to the chagrin of your local undertaker.

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Execute him now. Make him an example of the change in attitudes towards people who harm our children. This kind of scum hurts all of society; first the indivudals they prey directly upon and then rest of society that cannot allow their children to play outside for fear of encountering people like Yoshimi.

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Another beast.

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Glad they got her, and she didn't become one of those locked-in-for-years cases.

Don't like ppl saying let this be a lesson to her, kind of blaming the victim. Sure, it could have been a careless naive mistake on her part to just go off trusting someone. But it could have been something more, a lot of kids who get into online stuff are running from something or trying to run to something. It could be real abuse at home, or it could be just loneliness and alienation. In any case, can't rush to judge, just teach any kids near you to be smart.

I think sleepydog may have a point. We may need treatment available to these ppl so that kids can be kept safe. I imagine a number of them are not even real pedophiles, but weakened lost-confidence ppl who can't form relationships with adults and turn to abusing kids to reassert control in their lives. If they are given a chance to get over that, they might not even be pedophiles anymore. imo

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"I think sleepydog may have a point. We may need treatment available to these ppl so that kids can be kept safe. I imagine a number of them are not even real pedophiles, but weakened lost-confidence ppl who can't form relationships with adults and turn to abusing kids to reassert control in their lives. If they are given a chance to get over that, they might not even be pedophiles anymore."

I never thought I would see the day when a pedophile who abducts a child had a support group. I understand that those who want treatment and compassion have pure motives but unless you have reason to believe that "a treatment" exists or that a pedaphile even wants to change then your motives are naiive and dangerous to society as a whole. Kids should comes first before the weak, lost- confidence people who hijack the innocence of children.

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An underlying problem here is with Mom. Why did she let her 11 year old daughter chat online without parental controls or supervision? What seems to run rampant here is the parents who see stuff like this on the news but then ignore their own children with the attitude that "it's that kid not mine" and "my kids would never do that", and they fail to check on their own and we end up reading about it here.

This girl was LUCKY to say the least. Yes the dude needs to be thrown away for a few years AND Japan HAS TO set up a sexual predators network. It will be easy for this guy, once out of jail (if he gets any time) to move somewhere else and do the same thing.

Typical Japanese families, to me at least, seem to have absolutely no idea what their kids are doing on the internet, and are adding to the problem as well.

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Those also inclined towards to sympathy for the pedaphiles should check out "Australia shuts down large child sex exploitation ring " in the world section.

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Those who are alienated from society are more likely to act out against it.

What a nerve society has, to have both rage and dread, for free-roaming predators that instinctively look to do as much damage as they can get away with.

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Poor child. I hope she comes out of this a stronger person.

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I had a class with a group of single Japanese girls in their 20's and 30's this afternoon and this incident came up in conversation. I was pretty shocked to hear what the girls all had to say about Japanese men in general. However, after hearing their opinions I can understand why there are so many single women in Japan and why so many of them are studying English. The AKB fetish was mentioned, up-skirt photography, general lechery, child porn and the culture of gentlemen's clubs all came up in the conversation. I should add that, all these topics were brought up by the women. Their general opinion was, Japanese men are sick. That was their words, not mine! And, of course, the one in the article is right up there with the rest of them.

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I never thought I would see the day when a pedophile who abducts a child had a support group.

So you won't be joining nambla.org anytime soon?

Seriously, it is easy to get emotional, but psychology treatment better option than firing squad.

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MarkGMar. 16, 2013 - 10:13AM JST CAN they be rehabilitated?

Yes, studies in Canada using Cognitive-behaviour therapy for sex offenders show excellent results over 25 years for heterosexual pedophiles, although the failure rate for homosexual pedophiles was much higher at 16% - still, that's an 84% success rate. By comparison the lowest success rate was for rapists at 80%.

Can you EVER trust them? If the day ever comes when pedophilia is considered "progressive" or a normal behavior by a small percentage of society will be the end of my days.

Is it normal? No. Is it better to treat it before people commit a crime? Yes. In both Germany and Canda they've set up pre-emptive counselling for people with pedophillic tendencies who want to become normal before they offend. In the U.S. and other countries getting therapy is impossible until after they've offended since most areas require that the psychologist inform the police, regardless of whether the individual has done anything wrong or not. The jury's still out on the success rate since it is difficult to determine as treatment is confidential.

As a researcher though the pre-emptive approach offers a chance to study the progression of the disorder, from pre-offense to post-offence, rather than just studying the more extreme individuals who do offend, and as such offers a chance to better understand the disorder and find more effective therapies (as well as investigate the physiology of pedophiles and determine if there is any medication that could target the areas of the brain responsible).

All in all I'd suggest that if we're interested in the safety of children then we should be more open to discussing the issue, make treatment more accessible, and treat non-offenders who want treatment with a little more sympathy. They're sick, they want help, let's help them and see if we can't find a treatment that will do for pedophilia what prozac did for depression. Simple hormone therapy has shown promising results (although with some unfortunate side-effects).

Imagine if this 20-year-old guy could just have gone to his local hospital a year ago and been given a pill that dealt with his unnatural desires?

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Imagine if this 20-year-old guy could just have gone to his local hospital a year ago and been given a pill that dealt with his unnatural desires?

"Unnatural desires"...............Imagine if there were a pill that could be had at a local hospital 11 years ago that prevented the parents of this girl from breeding.

Everyone is laying the blame on this dude. Yeah he is a predator and needs to be dealt with severely BUT the parents are more of the problem.

Not just Mom, where was Dad? If Mom wasnt checking up on their 11 year old why wasnt Dad? Who was running that household and (again lack of information here) when did she leave the house? Was it to go to school and she skipped and went with this guy?

Lack of parental control! This could have been avoided 100% in this case.

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@Frungy. "Seriously, it is easy to get emotional, but psychology treatment better option than firing squad." Better for whom? The children or the pedaphile?

@Frungy. Thank you for the info and I support treatment (assuming they're effective) for the person who SEEKS preemptive treatment and intervention. For the pedaphiles who want help after they committ a crime, no way. And rapists can be sent to the gas chamber with them, in my opinion.

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Everyone is laying the blame on this dude. Yeah he is a predator and needs to be dealt with severely BUT the parents are more of the problem.

Not just Mom, where was Dad? If Mom wasnt checking up on their 11 year old why wasnt Dad? Who was running that household and (again lack of information here) when did she leave the house? Was it to go to school and she skipped and went with this guy?

Lack of parental control! This could have been avoided 100% in this case."

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Internet were bad influence here in Japan

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I'm really amazed at the incriminating statements that many suspects make. I'm not really tuned in to the legal system here, but don't they have the right to keep their mouth shut? Or are they just too stupid to do so?

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@Frungy:

Good for you. With how easy it is to be called a pedophile or a pedophile supporter by proxy, it's brave of you to chime in like you have.

I seriously hope we can get over this "throw them in the dungeon" mentality for all crimes. It's okay to keep habitual criminals away from society, but we risk our moral high ground by lusting for their pain and suffering.

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Apparently the girl is lucky, Yoshida apparently didn't rape her or physically harm her, but he should never have taken her to his home, and he needs to be severely punished and watched carefully over the next few years at least.

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Well, seeing as how the mods are censoring my comments, I'll say it like this:

We've tried punishing molesters harshly and they are still prevalent. Why not try a forward thinking approach that favours prevention versus post facto punishment?

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According to police, Yoshida has been charged with abduction of a minor. During police questioning, he was quoted as saying that he likes little girls. Ok, this Yoshida dude is one sicko, hmmmm...what kind of family raises this kind of dude?? Also this girl, sounds like she comes from a messed up family. What kind of idiot goes with a complete stranger?? From Aichi out to Nagano?? She needs a good ass whippin!

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Elbuda Mexicano:

A family rarely raises a pedophile. But blaming the 11-year-old? Most 11-year-olds believe that adults are tantamount to gods and don't have the mental faculties to question them. She made a mistake but beating her for this is awful. She needs to understand why she should be more careful, and have the situation explained to her in extreme detail. She's just a kid and kids are notorious for having poor future-time orientation. How can a person look at this situation and demand more misery and violence? It baffles me.

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@sleepy dog

I seriously hope we can get over this "throw them in the dungeon" mentality for all crimes. It's okay to keep habitual criminals away from society, but we risk our moral high ground by lusting for their pain and suffering.

Agree 100%. But you're unlikely to get much sympathy on this particular site....

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Lucabrasi:

Thanks. It's amazing how quick people are to follow their emotions for "justice" and how reluctant they are to suspend their emotions to prevent cruelty.

I get weak thinking about my little boy being abducted, but I know that I'm better putting my effort into advocating preventative measures than extreme post facto ones.

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How much do the Japanese know about teaching their children about pedophiles? Its no longer innocent candyland now and the country needs to get serious about dealing with the mentality behind these types of sick crimes. The old "don't talk to strangers, and tell mom/dad about any suspicious behavior from an adult" is more common sense in the US but Japan is still taking its sweet time to get there.

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The guy has issues. But she said she left because she was bullied. Isn't that worse ? I mean he's arrested after doing nothing more than taking her to a train trip, but she was taken back into the former hell, it seems.

I'm really amazed at the incriminating statements that many suspects make. I'm not really tuned in to the legal system here

Yes, you don't get the system. He doesn't need to incriminate himself, he was caught in the act. So if he admits, says he understood that's illegal, and regrets, he gets a lesser penalty,

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Execute him now. Make him an example of the change in attitudes towards people who harm our children. This kind of scum hurts all of society; first the indivudals they prey directly upon and then rest of society that cannot allow their children to play outside for fear of encountering people like Yoshimi.

Execute him!? He kidnapped her, he didn't kill her. It's the Japanese people's "kill them all" attitude that's attracted Amnesty International! Small wonder they're concerned!

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These pedophiles should be locked away for life!

Sure, you can lock 'em up, but imprisoning a person ONLY makes them more dangerous!

Remember the cable TV drama "Oz"?

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Haha lolicon!

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"He kidnapped her, he didn't kill her." That's because the police found the girl within 24 hours. What do you think he was going to do? Have dinner with her and then send her home?

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I wonder what kind of sentence he is looking at and what type of treatment he got. I know that Japan has had some of the turmoil the states are experiencing now... it's beauty and we get that. Though something that he knows is that there are proper alleviances to that desire in Japan and especially South East Asia.

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Yes the guy here deserves strict punishment and hopefully hospitalization after his incarceration to get him the counselling and mental help he needs.

Everyone seems to be placing the blame for this act on the guy, yet it was 100% preventable IF the parents of this girl had been monitoring what their 11 year old daughter was doing on the internet!

Where were Mom and Dad when this girl was online chatting with this guy? There is missing information here too, as in when did the girl go missing? Was she off to school and then skipped out? Did he come down and pick her up? If she went on her own where did she get the money for the train ride?

Mom and Dad were negligent as well, and they need, along with other parents as well, to pay MORE attention to what their kids are doing on the internet.

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@Yubaru. In the second and third paragraphs the article states that the mother of the girl was contacted by the school when the girl did not show up for classes on March 13th (this would have been in the morning as Japanese elementary schools contact the parents of children who are absent without prior notification). The mother then contacted the police and shared a strange number that was listed in the cell phone she shares with her daughter. The police then luckily found Yoshida before he could do any more damage.

I totally agree with you that parents should monitor their children's use of the Internet, but I want to make a different point because it pertains to the importance of this unfortunate girl but to the state of our society as well. In this world with the economy in the state it is in, it is nearly impossible to watch your children 24/7. Furthermore, it's wasn't necessary back in the day. I grew up in the 1970's in the Detroit/Pontiac area (USA) and during the 3-month summer vacation I was rarely home and rarely supervised and never threated. In those days parents sent their children outside to play with little fear of them being molested, abducted or murdered. I can't provide statistics but I bet that the freedom to send your children out of the house was not only fun the for kids but probably released a lot of tension within families, most likely kept the obesity levels lower and encouraged children to take risks and become independent. Now parents have to be within five meters of their children at all time lest someone attempt to hurt them. I could be mistaken but when I read your posts, you seem to be blaming the parents which I think is similar to blaming a woman when she is sexually assaulted because she wore short skirt. Yoshida is the criminal. Yoshida should be punished.

And to the "Hug-a-pedaphile" group out that seems to exist out there, let me say that I believe that any person who seeks treatment prior to committing a crime should be given all and every resource availabe. I would directly contribute to any program to help a person who says, "I have a problem and I need help." But there must be a distinction made between "needs" and "urges." A person who steals because he or his family is hungry is committing a crime but one that can be understood. A person who abducts an 11-yeard old child because he "likes little girls" is a menace and should be treated as such. Check out the news; yesterday Australia busted a child-porn ring. Today people were arrested for forcing a 14-year old child into working at a brothel. A case could be made that some of you are empowering these people to act on unnacceptable urges (that being sex with a child). And along the lines of MarkG, woe to us if pedaphilia becomes an accepted form of behavior.

Gerard van Schip was 100% correct when he said that Japan worships the innocence of women/children. And while we cannot control what these people think, we can and must respond swiftly and severely when they act against children.

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samwattersMar. 16, 2013 - 05:47PM JST @Frungy. "Seriously, it is easy to get emotional, but psychology treatment better option than firing squad." Better for whom? The children or the pedaphile?

Umm... this isn't my quote. I never wrote this. I think you made a mistake.

@Frungy. Thank you for the info and I support treatment (assuming they're effective) for the person who SEEKS preemptive treatment and intervention. For the pedaphiles who want help after they committ a crime, no way. And rapists can be sent to the gas chamber with them, in my opinion.

Treatment before the crime is a good investment in my opinion because even with therapy children never recover from abuse. It is a life-long scar that has all sorts of negative effects later in life, such as much higher substance abuse rates, more risky sexual behaviour, and of course much higher rates of depression, anxiety and suicide. Even if the success rate for treating pre-crime pedophiles was just 50% I'd still support it, because every one of them is a child saved.

If the gas chamber was the penalty for pedophilia then I'd shrug my shoulders about treatment after crimes. Sadly this isn't the case, and sentences rarely include proper therapy (which to my mind is the best time to give it, when they're incapable of avoiding the therapy - whether its drug therapy or talk therapy), so at the moment they're releasing people who still have pedophillic tendencies back into society unrehabilitated. That's just idiotic. It's like releasing murderers and handing them a free gun as they walk out.

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@Frungy. You are right. It's not your quote and I apologize. I'll be more careful in the future.

"Even if the success rate for treating pre-crime pedophiles was just 50% I'd still support it, because every one of them is a child saved." I agree on the condition that monitoring and follow-up treatment is required. The goal here should be to protect the children first, cure the pedaphile second. And I still believe that pedaphiles, rapists, people who follow that bizaare cannibal-fetish like the police officer in NY(USA) who do not voluntarily seek treatment for their "ailments" and then committ their fetish-related crimes should be gassed or shot. Society does not need them. Again, I apologize for the misquote.

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@Yubaru. In the second and third paragraphs the article states that the mother of the girl was contacted by the school when the girl did not show up for classes on March 13th (this would have been in the morning as Japanese elementary schools contact the parents of children who are absent without prior notification). The mother then contacted the police and shared a strange number that was listed in the cell phone she shares with her daughter. The police then luckily found Yoshida before he could do any more damage.

I read the article, but you didnt read my points or questions. I KNOW what Japanese ES will typically do if a child doesnt show up and there has not been any communication from the family prior to notify of any absence.

There is NO information stating when the girl left home, or if the guy came and picked her up (there should be camera footage from the station available to show when and which train she left Toyoda). Lack of information is my point.

but I want to make a different point because it pertains to the importance of this unfortunate girl but to the state of our society as well. In this world with the economy in the state it is in, it is nearly impossible to watch your children 24/7.

No one stating that you can. It's absurd to even think or consider it possible. However HER parents were negligent for not monitoring her internet behavior. Ignorance is not an excuse in today's society. Unless her parents, both Mom and Dad lived with their heads in the sand their lack of oversight of their daughter is to blame as well.

What you did in the 70's is not the same as today, and this is Japan not Detroit, the two are day and night different in matters of child rearing and awareness.

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samwattersMar. 17, 2013 - 10:52AM JST @Frungy. You are right. It's not your quote and I apologize. I'll be more careful in the future.

No worries, I was just clarifying.

"Even if the success rate for treating pre-crime pedophiles was just 50% I'd still support it, because every one of them is a child saved." I agree on the condition that monitoring and follow-up treatment is required.

The problem is, and has always been, that monitoring and follow-up require some sort of enforcement, and given the strong feelings amongst the general public about pedophilia those with the condition have refused to come forward unless complete confidentiality and anonymity was guaranteed. Simply put the moment that records are kept and monitoring and follow-up required the participation would drop to zero. This is counter-productive.

The goal here should be to protect the children first, cure the pedaphile second.

Exactly, which is why the current models make it difficult to establish success rates, etc. They've sacrificed ease of research for ensuring maximum participation and protecting as many children as possible.

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samwatters,

I am not sure who you were referring to, but I am most certainly not a "hug-a-pedophile" thinker. Please do not put such words in my mouth.

I did not mention therapy in my post because I thought "we" should be "nice" to anybody. I said it because it would have the effect of PROTECTING INNOCENT CHILDREN from being hurt. As I said in my post, I believe some are not "real" pedophiles, in that they are involuntarily compelled to feel attraction for children, but are weak individuals who have not grown up mentally. Such weak ppl choose ppl weaker than themselves to form relationships. If such weak broken-down ppl grew up, they would no longer feel the need to target the weakest to take out their frustrations on. This would result in PROTECTING innocent children.

I am not an expert, but my understanding of psychology leads me to believe so. (Some ppl it seems are "true pedophiles and can perhaps never be cured (tho it seems there is evidence that drugs can be used to control behavior). )

Reading your posts, I do not get the feeling that you are an expert on pedophiles, or psychology either. While I understand your outrage, you leave me unconvinced that outrage alone is actually going to result in less children who get attacked. Unless the root problem is understood, there will always be 100s more to take the place of whichever pedophiles you manage to catch. This will simply result in more children abused. IMO

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Hope you like prison too, pedophile

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I hope some of the brutal men in the prison he will be sent to likes little girls like him.

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There is missing information here too,

Yes, the most important. She left home because she was bullied. And the creep took advantage and invited her to live in his place. That has nothing to do with iinternet chat. If she had not found him, she'd have walked to the nearest Red Light district to find a sugar-daddy there.

as in when did the girl go missing? Was she off to school and then skipped out?

Yes. in the morning. And the school called parents only at noon. And "when they saw she was not coming back at night", parents called the police. Bullying victims often skip school to go kill themselves somewhere, so school and parents think there is nothing to worry about as they wouldn't get problems. But if the girl was just missing, the police could reproach it to them.

Did he come down and pick her up?

Yes, he went to Toyota to meet her near her school.

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@Danako

I'm really amazed at the incriminating statements that many suspects make. I'm not really tuned in to the legal system here, but don't they have the right to keep their mouth shut? Or are they just too stupid to do so?

When you look statistics, the Japanese police is the best in the world. They solve more crimes than others using less time and less workforce. They get more confessions and don't get false confessions and that's why they can leak the incriminating statements to the press before trial.

They are not only the best, but they are also very modest. Other countries have asked to make independend studies, how such results can be achieved, but the Japanese police force don't want to be the role model of modern justice system, so they have denied such privilege.

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My last post concerning this matter.

@Yubaru. We agree on far more than we disagree including your comment that this is neither the 70's nor Detroit. I couldn't agree more but how ironic that a city that has been annually included in the top 10 most dangerous cities in the US has almost no pedaphile problem. Why? Because bad behavior is punished. Again, you're right; this is not Detroit and in this case our kids in Japan suffer because of that.

@Lowly. Not referring to you as a "pedaphile hugger" (I was referring to Sleepy Dog) and even if I did my opinion doesn't really matter, does it? I'm not an expert on psychology (nor even a novice) and I couldn't understand your "such weak ppl choose ppl weaker than themselves to form relationships. If such weak broken-down ppl grew up, they would no longer feel the need to target the weakest to take out their frustrations on. This would result in PROTECTING innocent children" argument . I am not outraged; just simply decisive and intolerant of bad behavior that hurts children and those are two traits that scare the living hell out of the compassion industry.

@Frungy. First thanks for accepting my apologies about misquoting you. Second while I appreciate your concern about privacy we should remember that that is a secondary concern. We should also remember that Japan does a pretty good job with keeping peoples' identities hidden. Case-in-point: remember the "sakakibara murderer?" In 1995 his junior high school students murdered and beheaded an elementary school student. He was released a few years ago (the murderer not the headless boy) and no one knows where he is or even who he is. Japan should be able to handle people who seek counselling for deviant sexaul desires. And if they don't and committ such crimes, then the hammer should fall, hard and fast. Our kids deserve that.

Thank you sincerely for the debate. Debate is what makes this website valuable and debate can lead to big and better changes. Sam.

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well samwatters, what can I say?

You seem to have some kind of pride about scaring the compassion industry. I donIt know what that means. I don't know what the compassion industry is, but I do know that I am not in it.

To me, in almost anything, it comes down to- Is there a problem? What is the goal? How will we solve the problem the most effective way?

Understanding power relationships is pretty important for solving any kind of abuse, or, well, power-related problems, so personally I would recommend understanding how/ why weak ppl and strong ppl think/ feel. "Bad" ppl don't usually do "bad" things because they are "bad". Getting angry or outraged at something that you think is "bad" is not necessarily going to save anyone, or help them, or protect them. It might, but usually that alone won't do anything.

Most ppl have something they want or are trying to get. Understanding what that is and why can lead to solving any problems you may have. In this particular case of pedophilia, some percentage - 25%? 75%? I don't know- are for some reason incurably attracted to prepubescent children. Nothing will change them. To solve that problem we can only incarcerate them or perhaps remove their genitalia. Drugs might work.

But for the other percentage of those ppl, they are ppl who have been abused as children, or bullied or for some other reason- real or imagined- decided they are worthless losers. These ppl sometimes are pushed to the point where they look for someone lower than them on the totem pole to hurt in order to shore up self esteem and feel better. Some may find and hurt animals, some may look for a weak girlfriend/ boyfriend and hit them or belittle them, or even just a regular friend, and some may turn to underage sexual partners. On the surface it seems like they want underage sex, perhaps, but what is really going on inside them is they are trying to correct their own weakness in an inappropriate way. Understanding that about them can lead us to solving the problem of children getting hurt.

It is my understanding that this type of person is generally thought to be "treatable". This means that having services and treatment available will save other children from abuse. This means it is a really good idea because it is solving the problem that we have identified, and realizing our goal of saving children.

If this guy in this article is one of those ppl, then having such services available to him could have prevented any abuse of this girl or any others he may have touched. If he is one of the former category, then we can only imprison him.

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This bothers me... too little details about this case and too many assuming comments. You know what they say about people who "assume"?

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too little details about this case

I imagine they want to protect her privacy. I don't need the lurid details. Best left to the cops.

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Well Nessie, you got the lurid details anyway, from the posters here, only now we don't if there is any truth in them. Is that better?

And surely there were details left out that were not lurid at all. And since we don't know her name or her school's name, couldn't possibly, hasn't her privacy already been protected?

I would rather the truth be out there, because, well look at the wild and perhaps needlessly condemning and disgusting words that have been written trying to fill in the blanks!

Best left to the cops.

So you trust the cops? I don't. I generally expect the cops to be corrupt and incompetent, and they disappoint me far too little.

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On the surface it seems like they want underage sex, perhaps, but what is really going on inside them is they are trying to correct their own weakness in an inappropriate way.

Well, then, as long as the victim is serving their purpose, right?

Certain personality disorders have zero empathy, guilt, or remorse.

Yoshida was stopped before he committed any "physical act". But he lured an 11 year-old girl 4 hours away away from her home- he has clearly gone past just thinking about it.

I don't advocate "lusting for the pain and suffering" of the disordered; although that statement resembles "projecting"; a technique used to twist guilt back onto the accuser.

But until personality disorders and their natures are more well known, pity is premature and inappropriate.

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You got me all wrong Pamelot. Either my post was extremely poorly written, or maybe you have some kind of agenda you want to project onto it.

As I said several times; I'm NOT talking about "pity" or "sympathy" for pedophiles. I'm talking about trying to be aware of what the real cause of a specific problem is SO THAT IT CAN BE SOLVED.

So that CHILDREN CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVELY PROTECTED.

I can assure you I have no pity for someone who has hurt a child just to further their own selfish crap. But to deny that said selfish crap can be treated, taken away, is to create a situation where more ppl keep lugging around their own selfish crap and taking it out on others. Hence more abuse.

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