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27-yr-old police sergeant arrested for having sex with 14-yr-old girl

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Police on Thursday arrested a 27-year-old police sergeant for having sex with a 14-year-old school girl in a karaoke booth in Shinjuku. Hiroshi Imai, a sergeant at Machida police station in Tokyo, was arrested on suspicion of having sex with a minor at the karaoke establishment last July. The girl told her parents who reported it to police in January.

According to police, Imai met the girl on an online gaming website through his mobile phone and the two exchanged messages. Imai pretended to be a college student, police said.

Police said Imai had admitted to the allegations, but says he did not give any money to the girl.

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He isn't even double her age.

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how bad

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Terrible!

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No one seems bothered that the girl tricked the guy into this situation?

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No one seems bothered that the girl tricked the guy into this situation?

Teh Police?

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The girl told her parents who reported it to police in January.

Sounds like he just took what he could get and dropped her like a hot potato. As much I despise that sort of behavior, I have to ask what choice he had really, aside from just not doing anything with her at all of course. If he saw her twice he would double the chances of getting in trouble with the law.

In short, the only thing that bothers me is that it seems he used her, but that deck was stacked by others. If he had the option to treat her well and didn't, well then I would jail him longer even then what the J-system will.

But I think we need to keep in mind that he might not have known her age. Not all 14 year olds are average you know.

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Pretending to be a collage student. I am sorry but she gets no sympathy from me. There should be some punishment for misrepresenting your age,like community service or something but if not then she effectively gets away with this stupid action. Which she is still alive, and probably still in perfect health. I think she didn't get paid and told her parents why else would you she go to the sight an represent herself as older.

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move along now, nothing new to see here

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This guy is not a policeman, his actions indicate he is your garden variety rock spider. Although my expectations are not high, this chap should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. He should go to jail and be made part of the general prison population AFTER making sure that the details of his crime are circulated among the prison population. To put it bluntly, this SOB deserves everything that is coming to him - TWICE.

Now with regard to the girl, she also needs to put in front of the court (even a children's court) even if just to scare her straight.

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Faderkinta- The cop pretended to be a college student, not the girl. Read more closely before you spout off.

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@likeitis

As much I despise that sort of behavior, I have to ask what choice he had really, aside from just not doing anything with her at all of course.

Well, from a career perspective, 'not doing it with her' might have been a much wiser choice.

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and was probably trying to extort money from him?

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Several points.

We don't know how the girl presented herself to him. Both could have been lying. If he knew she was 14 or looked under age he is fully to blame. But there are girls working guys out there that are you young but hide it well. So again, we don't know the details. The sexualization of young girls in Japan is a societal problem. We hear about these older guys trying to get baby girls in bed and Japan behaves as if it is shocking. But one look at a magazine stand and you realize just how much media here promotes the sexualization of young girls. I think this needs to stop.

Old guys on trains should't be reading fantacy manga about high school girls. It is sick!!! Is it any wonder that when the first loose school girl tries to seduce or sell to one of them that they buy? Society has said it is ok via media. And that doesn't help things does it?

Stop the sexualization of children Japan!

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Sorry mis-read. If the cop went around lying about his age then he should be creamed. Can his ass and jail time would be best. tkoid2 you don't need manga to have a society that his hooked up with fantasies about high school girls. Plenty of countries do and don't really have half the crap this country has on the shelves of your local mag shop here.

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What does it say about the intelligence level of college students if a junior high school girl can pass herself off as one to somebody who is supposed to be good at interrogation?

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I really do feel sorry for some of the men here in Japan. Many JHS/HS students now know that they can easily blackmail guys. They lie about their age then demand money when they tell these guys how old they are. Time for these chicks to be arrested for blackmail and extortion. Seems she knew what she was up to or I think the charges would have been for rape. That being said, I thought 14 was the age on consent. What is he being charged with?

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What does it say about the intelligence level of college students if a junior high school girl can pass herself off as one to somebody who is supposed to be good at interrogation?

Speaking of intelligence level, you and others really need to examine the article a little closer. Cripes! Its amazing that many here have the gull to go on about intelligence!

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I see the usual suspects on this thread bleating on about this terrible, conniving girl and the poor cop who was taken advantage of. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic

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There should be some punishment for misrepresenting your age

Of all the things I am seriously concerned about with regards to new dating partners, them saying they are younger than they really are has got to be one of the least. I am worried about stuff like STDs, violent spouse or BF, or whether she is leading me to a Yak bar to get fleeced. I imagine a woman's list even longer and more serious.

You need to get your priorities sorted.

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Thank God it didn't happen Satiayama

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He's a creep and she's an idiot.

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Police said Imai had admitted to the allegations, but says he did not give any money to the girl.

Cheap son-of-a-bi*ch!!!!

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The girl is just as guilty as the guy, nowhere does it say it was rape, it seemed to be consentual.

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Why did she tell her parents? I live right near Machida. I am going to go to the Koban and ask if anyone is friends with him.

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Police said Imai had admitted to the allegations, but says he did not give any money to the girl.

That's nice of him. He just lied to her instead. The saddest thing is, up until recently this was not a crime in sunny Japan.

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Japanese society . . crumbling before our eyes every day. A land where child porn is in abundance, where salarymen get off on buying high school girlsknickers, where salarimen openly read pornographic manga on trains, where groping is commonplace n trains, where men regularly are arrested for stealing womens underwear . . .yes, amazing place, this.

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Am gonna wait for the protests, or do they only happen when it's a foreigner who's the suspect?

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realist: Your points are all well known, but hardly indicative of the entire male populace? More to the point, modern society is crumbling and the major religions offer little solace. Time for more humanism, integrity and the development of the same. It can be done, it is done, and the Japanese have much that is good as well as much that is absurd. A land of never endingcontradictions is how I see it.

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I teach 14 y.o junior high school girls and some of them look and act a lot older and could pass for 17-18 - if she lied to ths guy that she was 18 and she has the body of a 18 y.o.

In regards to the age of consent, IIRC in between 13 and 18 depending on the local jurisdiction, Tokyo is 17 - hence he has been nabbed.

All that being said, he was still sleazebag who should have known better and got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

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Police sergeant has sex with a 14 yr old in a karaoke booth? EVERYTHING is wrong here.

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From the sounds of it they both lied about their age. Girls/women in Japan are very well aware that sex sells here. University aged women are known to sell themselves and let us not forget the whole "enjokosai" thing. I don't think it fair to sit here and make comments about how "sick" Japanese men are when women/girls exploit the whole thing to their benefit. Many cases where men have been told a girl is 18, sleeps with them and then gets blackmaled because the girls are younger. How is a guy to know? Ask for ID? Honestly, some of you seem to think that all Japanese girls/women are naive little lambs and the men here are wolves. It certainly isn't the case. Lord knows I've taught more than a few students here who know the score and I would feel sorry for any man who fell prey to them.

If you want to blame anyone in society blame the mothers who are raising their daughters to think that brandname bags are a must have, shopping is a hobby and that being cute, dumb and easy is the way to get ahead in life.

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tmarie, with all due respect, in the vast majority of enjokosai and related cases, the guys know the girls age since they are specifically seeking <18 girls. So, unlike you I don't blame the mothers, or the girls, but - for some strange reason - the older guys who are seeking illegal sexual activity with a teen.

If anything, I would suggest that far more girls lie about being YOUNGER than older - the market for freelance paid sex is, sadly, much larger for that age group.

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tmarie, with all due respect, in the vast majority of enjokosai and related cases, the guys know the girls age since they are specifically seeking girls <18. Pretty simple stuff, yo. If anything, more girls are lying about being younger than older.

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I dont know about you posters talking about 14yr olds looking 18 or whatever, I find most women look pretty young, when they are young, ie 18yr olds look more like 14yr olds not the other way round.

This ceertainly doesnt apply to all but I wud guees the vast majority.

You wud have to be pretty daft not to figure out whats what

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Anyone who thinks a 14 year-old girl has all the faculties to consent to sex with anyone, let alone a 27 year-old is an idiot. It's called statutory rape. Japan really needs to change it's thinking regarding women and the beautification of school girls as sexual objects.

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Tango for two. They are both guilty and should be punished. First sexual contact last July and reported in January. Why parents took so long to report it to police? I smell some 'Monkey' business about this case. Is someone looking for compo? I don't believe that this was rape and they both enjoy their sexual contact. Teach them a lesson and lock them up for a while. Perhaps they were playing just as: 'I show you mine and you show me yours.'(and old trick of the trade)

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Am gonna wait for the protests, or do they only happen when it's a foreigner who's the suspect?

Since forcible rape has not been mentioned at the official levels yet, I think its a bit early to make this complaint.

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.yes, amazing place, this.

It could be worse, and if you ask me, other places, it is.

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tmarie, with all due respect, in the vast majority of enjokosai and related cases, the guys know the girls age since they are specifically seeking girls

I agree. My point is that these girls are well aware of what tey are doign and are more than happy to for a brandname bag or some cash. It does indeed take two to tango so when do these girls start to get punished?

As for 14 year olds not knowing and whatnot, please. 14 year old girls certainly know what sex. It wasn't too long ago that 14 year olds were married and mothers in "our" countries - and still happens in many others. Yes, there certainly are naive 14 year olds but if you don't think they don't have a clue as to "have sex, get money" then you are the naive one.

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Gee the cops must not like him as a fellow cop or they would have closed ranks but instead fed him to the lions.

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Yes, there certainly are naive 14 year olds but if you don't think they don't have a clue as to "have sex, get money" then you are the naive one.

I've got to disagree with this statement. While they may have the body of a woman at 14 and probably have read a book or two about sex, but they are in no way emotionally mature enough to have a sexual relationship, especially Japanese girls. Hence, the laws being set up to protect young girls from these vilians preying on the immaturity of Japanese girls.

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I think tmarie has it right more so than the "girls are innocent lambs" commentators. Sounds more like misplaced Victorian ideals of female purity. Sure these guys are predatorial but a number of girls do know the score. I knew of co-worker whose former host family's 17 year old daughter came to stay with her in Tokyo. she lost money so she went out and picked herself up some oyaji-san and came back with money to spare not too mention the odor of smoke, sake, and coffee. She didn't think a thing about and even had photos of her and the dude before they did the deed.

However she was 17 not 14. Only 3 years but at this time in life that is a big difference mentally and physically.

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the wrong arm of the law.

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but they are in no way emotionally mature enough to have a sexual relationship, especially Japanese girls.

I am sure you have interviewed enough to know and to be able to make the absolutist statement that all 14 year old females are the same, especially Japanese ones.

tmarie has pointed you in the direction of most of our collective history on this subject. I suggest you ponder it. If 14 year olds were so incapable, the human race never would have made it this far. What we are doing these days is to keep them ignorant of sex and relationships so as to fill their minds with things designed to make them more productive workers. Not sure if it is that great of a goal, but I promise growing pains.

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another glowing example of a cop in the land of the rising sun. does it get any better than this?? i am just so tired of reading about these guys who are supposed to uphold the law and they.......well don`t do their jobs very well because they are out doing other stuff.

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Awful story!!! No comments.

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he girl is just as guilty as the guy, nowhere does it say it was rape, it seemed to be consentual

Oh, come on. A 27 year old police officer posing as a college student choose to have sex with a child. Developed physically or not, at 14 you're still a kid and a 27 year old police sergeant should have the skills to know that he has influence over someone so young. Just as guilty??

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It seems in Japan, only the girls under 18 seem to smile and try to talk to you. They are jailbait and know it and gain confidence knowing that they can play the "victim card" anytime they want..

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I think the 14-year old holds the responsibility as well. It takes 2 to tango....:)

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Yadda yadda, police sergeant, yadda yadda , suspended sentence and paid leave.

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Do these people have any conscience? It's not like he was drunk, also not to mention he's an upholder of the law.

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So they met through an online gaming site? Hmmm, is this a euphemism for a dating site?

What is left out was the intent the girl had. Obviously, girls that age want to feel grown up, and going out with a college guy would be something to "show the friends". But did she also misrepresent her age? That is not given, so before we call this guy a total perv or creep, more information needs to come out.

If he said he was a college dude, and he's only 27, then he lied about 4 to 5 years of age? Not terrible. If he was just trying to meet girls, and this girl represented herself as being 18, then this story would make sense. Once he found out how old she was, he freaked out and dumped her. She was upset and knew he would go to jail for this. So she told her parents.

But in the end a 27 year old did a 14 year old. He's toast.

Ciao

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A 27 year old SERGEANT how do these morons get into the police force here, and this ones a sergeant a position of some responsibility.

Maybe he was in charge of karaoke registration a grade up from bike registrations (Thats how he got the promotion)

What kind of qualifications do you need to get into the police force in Japan, just last week a police officer was beaton by a 14 year old.

Now this, what goes on that we don`t know.

Yes I also agree some of the 14year olds here know the score, just look at the way many dress (That comes from dressing school girls in short skirts anyway) But some know the temptatons they project to the male population and play on it, many genuinely to get money.

At the end of the day the police need really to lift thier game and be a reliable force and not a bunch of missfits.

Stop checking bikes and get into some serious police work.

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Why didn't he just deny it? It wasn't me.

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So much rationalization of statuary rape on here it gives me the creeps.

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I don't care what the motives of the girl was in the end the guy is a cop he knows for damn sure that what he was doing is a crime. I only hope they throw him in general population. For those not in the know general population is where convicted citizens go former police officers and prisoners who have given testimony against others are put in protected or segregated holding so they don't get killed or raped and not necessarily in that order.

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Agreed, the cop knew the score. Whether or not the girl was willing etc, the cop knew what he was doing was illegal, he should pay for his crime.

Everyone needs to quit trying to justify his actions. Anyway you look at it, its still having sex with a minor. And not just some 17 year old girl who turns 18 tomorrow, but a girl who isn't even in high school.

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Perhaps he really was 27, and still in college... in America, we call them Super Seniors!

WE are missing the real story here! The girl told her parents... the cop "admitted to it"! WOW on both accounts!

The cop forget two very important rules!

1, if a girl tells you she's 18, and looks 18, she's more than likely 12! 2, if a girl tells you she's 18, and looks 20, she's darn near 40!

Bonus rule #3, grown up girls have more inportant things to do then spend all day in an online gameroom!

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Well, aren't we all happy -- with our daily dose of titillation. Get a life (or better yet, get a wife).

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TokyoHustla - Can't deny it 'cause of the phone records.

airrunwesker - You're right. He knew what he was doing. Even if the girl was willing, that still makes him a pedophile.

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that still makes him a pedophile.

Uh, no.

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likeitis - the girl was 14, that makes him a pedophile even if the (still legally a) child looks and acts like a prostitute. Police in the States often use girls posing as 14 in their "sting" operations against pedophiles.

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Uh, no.

Uh, yes. Or maybe its just your definition of Pedophile thats weird. Mine is a man who knows the girl is significantly underage, and targets her anyway. Why is it I suspect yours is, if she bleeds, she can breed.

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Or maybe its just your definition of Pedophile thats weird.

Nope, its your layman's definition, even if lawmakers also suscribe to it, its still the layman's definition and misinterpretation of a precise psychological term.

All we know this guy is for sure is a lawbreaker.

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Layman's definition, as well as societies definition. Meaning The Definition Seeing as how he is also targeting a 14 year old girl, as stated before, we can suspect he's also pedophile.

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Seeing as how he is also targeting a 14 year old girl, as stated before, we can suspect he's also pedophile.

You could suspect anyone anytime if this is your basis. And you are also labeling a few grandpa's as pedos for doing the deed with grandma when they were young. And even more great grandpas. You have no evidence he was targeting her for any specific reason whatsoever, except your imagination willfully going that direction.

And further to that, its only certain societies where some people are accepting this definition, and, it seems to me, not on its merits but because it is being crammed down their throats.

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And further to that, its only certain societies where some people are accepting this definition, and, it seems to me, not on its merits but because it is being crammed down their throats.

Ah, so its being crammed down the throat of society. I guess that makes it not valid right? Or just not accurate. Pushed onto society or no, if the society accepts the definition, and Japan obviously has, then thats just the way it goes, regardless of how it was in the past. It's todays definition that matters, not tomorrows, or yesterdays. By todays standards, by his actions, the man has earned the pedophile moniker.

You have no evidence he was targeting her for any specific reason whatsoever, except your imagination willfully going that direction.

How about his own statement? Guess that doesn't count though. Probably beat it out of him right?

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if the society accepts the definition, and Japan obviously has

I have lived in Japan a long time. Can't say I have heard any Japanese utter the word pedophile, in any language. What Japan has accepted is that sex with a 14 year old is against the law. And I already called him a lawbreaker.

It's todays definition that matters

Its the true definition that matters. I am not interested in vogues. Especially when they are conjured up for purposes of thought and crowd control and do not reflect simple reality but rather made up concepts.

How about his own statement?

Where he admitted to targeting 14 year olds? Have not heard about it. Maybe you could direct me to it?

Not that it matters. A pedophile is someone who is exclusively interested in prepubescents. That is the definition.

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A pedophile is someone who is exclusively interested in prepubescents. That is the definition.

A pedophile is someone who targets children. In todays society, anyone under a certain age is considered a child. Thus anyone who targets them, is a pedophile. Simple logic, not hard to understand.

You're trying to change it so those who go after prepubescents and those who go after older children are different. I'm saying, that both under the law, and societies standards, there isn't. You seem to be trying to excuse those who go after these older children and teens, by suggesting that its "just" against the law. I can only assume by your stance, that you have no children of your own. If you did, if you were a parent I think you would feel very differently about the subject.

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A pedophile is someone who targets children.

Its sad to see you make definitions as you go, and still fail to post proof to it on the case at hand. Until you prove that he was targeting 14 year olds you are looking very sad indeed.

You're trying to change it so those who go after prepubescents and those who go after older children are different.

I am not the one doing the changing. I am presenting the real definition. Its others changing it.

I can only assume by your stance, that you have no children of your own. If you did, if you were a parent I think you would feel very differently about the subject.

So sorry, but the truth is the truth. Its not relative to being a parent.

You seem to be trying to excuse those who go after these older children and teens, by suggesting that its "just" against the law.

It is "just" against the law. And I don't think I have met a Japanese who thinks any differently than that.

And the law seems to be based on keeping young people focused on their educations, no hint of trying to stretch a psychological term in ways it was never meant in order to make a completely contrived "illness" for society to get morally outraged about. And it is sad to me the frequency with which westerners insist on getting outraged about sexual matters while completely INSISTING on NOT seeing what is really happening.

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likeitis is correct more so than puritanical by-the-book molenir. They use to marry girls off at 14 in the past in just about every society on the planet and thought nothing unnatural about. In medieval times, for the purposes of alliances even children could be married but the keypoint was that such marriages could not legally or morally be consummated until 13 - by which time they could biologically reproduce and by this time have feminine attributes.

In modern times, childhood has been legally and societally extended into "teenage-hood" a concept which until relatively recently in the history of human society did not exist before - and it started in the west.

In old Japan, 15 year old boys were expected to fight in their first battles. Tokugawa Ieyasu's mother was 14-15 when she had him.

But in all of this both in Japan and in the West in the past, nowhere was it acceptable to have sex with children - probably because physically such an attraction is abnormal. A child has no sexual attributes of any sort so to find attraction there is again abnormal.

This is why there IS a difference between someone lusting after a 14 year old and someone lusting after an 8 year old. It's simple biology.

The first is wrong both legally by today's laws and morally by today's standards in taking advantage of someone's naivity and presumed innocence. But we are dealing with an attraction that as some have said is with youth who can pass for older because they have attributes which can be considered attractive.

The second though is far more disturbing because it's an attraction that is pyscologically and biologically abnormal. It's an act that is against nature because you don't have animals trying to reproduce with it's young until it reaches the proper biological stage.

So trying to equate an attraction towards an underage girl to that of an attraction to that of a prepubscent one is fallible regardless of what some modern mindsetted law says. Laws and morality change - but there are certain truths about nature that do not.

Anyway, gents going after 14 year olds are perverted but gents going after 8 year olds are truly sick.

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They use to marry girls off at 14 in the past in just about every society on the planet and thought nothing unnatural about.

Lets consider this shall we? You'll note the term used to. What times do we live in? What society in age do we live in? In todays society is it ok to do something merely because at one time it was acceptable? The answer to that should be obvious to anyone. Trying to excuse behavior on the basis of the past is idiotic. In the past you could do kill someone for any reason, so long as you were of the right social class. Is that ok? In the past, in various place, you could carry a weapon, and have a gunfight. And no one would think twice. The only law was that of the strong. Still ok?

Society has changed, laws have changed. In todays society, a grown man deliberately going after a 14 year old girl is considered sick. People who somehow want to excuse the man are, forgive me for being blunt here, likewise sick. And if my saying it offends you, then you need to be offended. Calling me puritanical for simply expressing the view held by most of society is nonsense.

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From the store above the policeman at no time says he knew the girls age & at 14 she could quite possibly have passed for older, WE do not know. The told her mother about the incident, when we do not know. The act took place in July but the policeman wasn’t arrested until January so we can assume the mother only reported it in January. Why the girl waited so long to tell & why she told we don’t know. There are a lot of “don’t knows” in all of this & I have another one. When you look at the news headlines with the number of posts in brackets why is it that young girls & sex ALWAYS have by far the most posts, what could this possibly tell us about the posters?

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When you look at the news headlines with the number of posts in brackets why is it that young girls & sex ALWAYS have by far the most posts, what could this possibly tell us about the posters? That there may be more than just a few concerened parents, perhaps?

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nutsagain at 04:24 AM JST - 15th February

At the moment I am trying to see the possible good in a 27 year old policeman. I admit that is not the fashionable line to take on JT when it comes to Japanese policemen but I just have a feeling that this one isn’t the baddy so many enjoy seeing him as. You however would seem to see the good in us all. As a matter of fact I am the father of 3 girls, but I doubt that many here are parents. Was I paranoid about my little girls when they were little girls, damn right I was (&still am). But having said that I would also ask myself could a well developed 14 year old girl turn my head today? Turn my head yes, betray my wife no. If I had no wife? I don’t know any more than anybody else here would know FOR SURE what they would do. I like to think that like all the others above I would resist the temptation. Being honest I have to say I don’t know. Wouldn’t life be wonderful if we could all be so sure of everything?

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I am glad to see the debate about what is means to be a pedophile taking place within this discussion board. I can expect that I will see a few of you on future shows of "to Catch a Predator". You are welcome to offer Chris H. further debate!

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People who somehow want to excuse the man are, forgive me for being blunt here, likewise sick.

What is sick Molenir is your constant changing of the arguing points and rationale of your argument in order to get the desired result. Your slippery slithering away truly seems to be the product of a sick mind hell bent on agenda.

I can say for myself that I have not been defending the man so much as attacking society. It seems to me that he selfishly used the girl, perhaps even outright raped her and it just has not been clearly reported yet. But it also seems that people like you have some culpability in the creation of this kind of abuse.

No, it is not sick to find a 14 year old girl attractive because you or anyone else suddenly wants to change the norms we have had since the beginning of the human race. It is not sick to do something about it either. But by placing such a stigma on it, you may very well be doing 14 year old girls a serious disservice. Like this guy or not, I would much rather he treat her decently than push her first time on her in a karaoke booth and then try to avoid the law and the puritans by sliding into the woodwork. Its the selfish act that is sick Molenir, not the desire.

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grafton: I like to think that like all the others above I would resist the temptation.

But the key point is: What the heck purpose does it serve? Sure, it keeps you out of jail, but other than that, what? Keep Molenir happy?

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Calling me puritanical for simply expressing the view held by most of society is nonsense.

What a positively self-righteous unprovable statement. You got nothing to back that up but appearances. Its sort of like everyone "appears" to support the dictator since few are willing to say anything bad about him. Speaking one's mind on this subject bears a social cost so people tread lightly. But its remarkable how when I gain a person's trust and talk to them alone how they don't seem to support your view much. A LOT of guys have admitted to me attraction for teenage girls as young as 14. When so many think the same, its not a sickness, but rather a norm.

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What a positively self-righteous unprovable statement. You got nothing to back that up but appearances.

Oh? Why not walk around the place you work, show your co-workers the story, and ask them what they think about a 27 year old man having sex with 14 year old girl. Find out how many of them men and women think its ok. Think that going after a girl you know to be underage is acceptable. Try that and tell me its the norm. Do I find a young pretty girl attractive? I'll grant the point. Of course, I do, I'm a normal guy. Heres the thing though. I also have an internal censor in me that the vast majority of men have. It looks at an available girl and says... too young. The reason young girls are so attractive, apart from the obvious, is that the younger they are, the easier they are. Thats part of the reason society has decided they need to be protected. Because for the most part, they fall for the easy lines. The older girls have heard them before. They know when they're being played and used. Or can be expected to know. But a young girl has a harder time dealing with that.

By trying to excuse those who don't have this censor, who don't use it, you are the one doing these girls a real disservice. Who are you really trying to help? What are you really trying to say? That its ok for a 27 year old man to hook up with a 14 year old girl? Is that what the point of your argument has been? Because if so, then I'll say it again, the one who is sick here, is you.

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Ok fellas, time to own up. How many of you would willing sex up a 14 year old if it was not only legal but completely socially acceptable?

It's easy to argue that "todays' soceity is different" blah blah blah. What what happens when you examine the reasons why what used to be acceptable is no longer acceptable?

You'll find it has nothing to do with right or wrong or protecting the innocent. But most people don't like to accept that so they continue to believe in this foolish notion of "right" and "wrong." and hide behind some mythological moral dogma.

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That its ok for a 27 year old man to hook up with a 14 year old girl? Is that what the point of your argument has been? Because if so, then I'll say it again, the one who is sick here, is you.

Folks used to do it all the time without batting an eye until relatively recently and in some countries, they still do. Will you be imposing your cultural timeset morality on them too?

Personally I don't think in today's modern western society a 27 and 14 year old should "hook up" because of the differences in maturity. In the past a 14 year was treated differently and they thought of themselves differently. Now they belong to that second childhood of teenage-hood and a vast gulf seperates them from someone who is even 5 years older than them. But it's not sick in the same sense of someone who lusts after a prepubscent youth which is far more abnormal as I mentioned before both psychologically and biologically.

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Calling me puritanical for simply expressing the view held by most of society is nonsense.

I call you puritanical for your indignant self-righteous tone and your argument which hinges more on emotion than logic

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Folks used to do it all the time without batting an eye until relatively recently and in some countries, they still do. Will you be imposing your cultural timeset morality on them too?

Folks used to commit murder all the time too. Still do in some parts of the world and justify it in the name of religion. Going by your logic, I guess thats ok too then right? I shouldn't push my cultural timeset morality on them right?

I call you puritanical for your indignant self-righteous tone and your argument which hinges more on emotion than logic

Of course there are emotions involved. This is an emotional topic. You'll note though, that despite the obvious emotion in my responses, I'm using logic throughout.

But it's not sick in the same sense of someone who lusts after a prepubescent youth which is far more abnormal as I mentioned before both psychologically and biologically.

It is sick, its just not sick in the sense you mean. I'll grant that someone who lusts after prepubescent children is far more danger to society. However individuals who prey upon young children and teens are likewise sick. And in that respect we are going to disagree. I find people who target young girls, even if physically they are sexually mature, to be deviants at best. You apparently want to excuse them and say, that while its not acceptable in todays society, at one time it was, so that makes it somehow alright. I'm afraid I just can't go along with that argument.

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I can only imagine this 27 year old is not telling the truth, saying he did not pay?? Yeah right, he di not pay enough? Maybe he wanted to only pay say 10,000 yen the girl wanted more?? He was to stupid and stingy, she got revenge by getting this young idiot cop busted.

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You apparently want to excuse them and say, that while its not acceptable in todays society, at one time it was, so that makes it somehow alright.

No you assume that. What I want to do is to seperate the perverted from the truly abhorrent. The reason I don't condemn a 27 year old man and 14 woman on face value as harshly as say a 27 year old and an 8 year old is because the former is a society moral - one that has changed in certain cultures but not all. The desire is not abnormal but the action is. However the later is considered abnormal pretty much in all cultures past and present. In this case the desire alone is abnormal.

Basically when it comes to dishing out punishment, IMHO the former should be sentenced to several years in prison and counseling. The latter though should just be taken out behind the wood shed and shot.

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Folks used to commit murder all the time too.

Using a murder analogy to make a point about sex just seems very, very wrong to me. Further, there have been repercussions for murder in just about any legal system, including legally opening yourself up for revenge attacks by the victim's family.

But more wrong than using murder as a sex analogy is that a look at the past, in itself, is not a justification for anything. It is merely an indicator. You still have to analyze individual points.

One thing that is not being properly appreciated about the past is that it was not a free for all. More often than not, sex was not tolerated outside of marriage. Having sex with multiple women of any age was a great way to get in a lot of trouble.

When things loosened up, the idea of protecting younger persons came to be, and the age of consent was raised. Looking at the state of the times, it is understandable. But times have changed. The dangers of pregnancy and STDs are greatly reduced, so it seems to me that this blanket protection of teenagers is now overkill.

There is still the problems of the older party taking advantage, and the possible emotional damage of a possible bad break up. But it seems to me that the way to deal with that is not a high age of consent with massive penalties for violation. That is like cutting off a leg because of a frost-bitten toe.

I find people who target young girls, even if physically they are sexually mature, to be deviants at best.

You are playing with a stacked deck. Anyone who "targets" on physical attributes so much is already a deviant, whether the stimulus is age, weight or bust size. And we have been up and down this targeting issue and you have not addressed it remotely adequately. This "targeting" implies multiple targets, so it would exclude a one off go. Even two times is still dubious.

Another aspect it that since it is illegal to date with a 14 year old, only those willing to break the law do so. Willing law breakers are technically already deviants, and while most might be mildly so, its the extremes ones we are going to remember best, isn't it?

Oh? Why not walk around the place you work, show your co-workers the story, and ask them what they think about a 27 year old man having sex with 14 year old girl.

Another stacked deck. The circumstance of this sexual encounter are problematic even if they were both 27. I have presented my own objections to it, and I am pretty liberal about this.

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bamboohat: Ok fellas, time to own up. How many of you would willing sex up a 14 year old if it was not only legal but completely socially acceptable?

I do not "sex up" anyone unless they want me to. Usually what they want to do is date, and sex is just sort of optional. And while I would not seek out any random 14 year old for dating, I have been confronted with some I would date. My only qualm is fear they would get too attached.

Molenir: The reason young girls are so attractive, apart from the obvious, is that the younger they are, the easier they are.

It was refreshing to hear you admit some things about attraction Molenir. But here, I have to take issue with the word "easy". That implies easily tricked, and its those who are trying to trick that deserve to be despised. Easy to maneuver is something else though. A female that is difficult to maneuver is a big turn off for me. It shows that she is not interested. A younger female might be easy to maneuver, but not interested. Eventually, any male with a brain will figure it out. And its those who can't or won't that I despise.

I am inclined to believe females who gave in, or even sought the attention, will not be so distraught about that decision later just because of how old she was unless 1) there was something wrong with the male, as in he really did trick her or lie to her or cared nothing for her or 2) people con her into feeling bad about it.

It seems to me the guy in this case is in category one, and that is why she complained to her parents if complain she did.

But, more than I would say younger women are easy going, I would say they are refreshing. Their energy and enthusiasm is quite the charm point. The beat the heck out of some woman who has become bitter and distrustful, surely any male can see that.

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It happens so often with police officers in Japan, so shameful as they represent the highest morals and ethics in society...This is just a tip of an iceberg I'm afraid...

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Oh? Why not walk around the place you work, show your co-workers the story, and ask them what they think about a 27 year old man having sex with 14 year old girl.

Why not? Because it falls under the category of "creating a hostile work environment".

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Good points, Molenir. Agreed.

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Ok

Japan has 2 versions of the Truth: Tatamae and Honnae, in the case of may-december relationships , it goes like this:

Tatame: Sex between someone over 18 and someone under 18 is BAD because it is ILLEGAL ( 1999 law on pornography/prostitution passed only due to heavy foreign - i.e. American - pressure )

Honne: Sex between someone over 18 and someone under 18 is OK because society condones it ( moe/lolicon is Number 1 sexual fetish for straight males in Japan and there is the traditional "Christmas Cake" age limit for women as desirable marriage partners )

Second Point: This is Japan, and they themselves are always saying that "We Japanese Are Different", so why do a lot of the gaijin posters here keep on insisting on applying Non-Japanese moral standards, especially when it comes to sex, to Japanese culture? As the Japanese saying goes " In Japan, there is no Original Sin for sex ".

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nice conclusion to the whole tirade of opinions BAYANI98 What we think and say aloud, and actually do, are different within our own cultures and even more so when in comparison with others. It seems here that perhaps its only wrong if you get caught. Although I do think that the effect of law changes over time, do reflect in a change in attitude from the average person.

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I can only imagine this 27 year old is not telling the truth, saying he did not pay?? Yeah right, he did not pay enough? Maybe he wanted to only pay say 10,000 yen** the girl wanted more?? He was to stupid and stingy, she got revenge by getting this young idiot cop busted.

i totally agree

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this cop got duped by this 14 year old girl. checking ID during a date is a real buzzkill, but this guy should have suspected something was up. Perhaps he didnt give her a gucci bag like all her schoolmates get for doing exactly the same thing.

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