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JT is full of dead bodies.

Kobe Kita Ward, mostly mountain area.

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This happened the other day and again the guy just wanted to kill someone. The males here seem to have a problem separating fantasy from reality.

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So this is how the little POS thanks Grandma and Grandpa for all their trouble. With a baseball bat, sharp knife and murderous gleam in the eye.

"I was holding the knife thinking I would attack and stab somebody — I didn’t care who it might have been,” a police source quoted the suspect as saying.

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my first reaction was 'wow nice house with kayabuki-roof', but then 'oh crap' as I read the title. RIP

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The man, Kanami Takeshima said he "just wanted to attack and stab anyone," according to the police, who have launched a murder investigation.

He should have been treated in Psychiatric Hospital. How sad it's? They should have knew sign of mental illness in their grandson - son. How many young peoples are not diagnosing their mental illness in Japan?

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Cue reference to capital punishment discussion yet again.

@LightL

my first reaction was 'wow nice house with kayabuki-roof', but then 'oh crap' as I read the title. RIP

You make a more relevant comment that you might have realised.

That is not just a nice roof/house ... that is a very expensive roof/house that leads me to assume that the family was also well off giving the perpetrator even less of an excuse for his actions.

Anyone on the fence and wavering about supporting the death sentance yet ... or are we all just about giving love and compassion to the "sacred life" of perpetrator?

You see, societies makes rules in consideration of circumstances and tendencies that they know best.

I hope this guy swings. I'm in two minds as whether to get over and done quickly, or make him suffer death row for years first. On balance, I don't want to have to pay to keep him in comfort.

In the old days, he'd be given a death that suited the gravity of the crime.

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He should have been treated in Psychiatric Hospital. How sad it's? They should have knew sign of mental illness in their grandson - son. 

Chop chop - it is your presumption that he was suffering from mental illness. There is no evidence that he was, although he was clearly a disturbed man.

If he is sent to a psychiatric hospital upon conviction, we will know.

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@Ah_so - it is your presumption that he was suffering from mental illness. There is no evidence that he was, 

oh yes, that's right. The fact he attempted to kill three people and then stated, "I just wanted to kill someone" doesn't mean mental illness your book, does it? It's just an average person having a bad day, right?.

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This happened the other day and again the guy just wanted to kill someone. The males here seem to have a problem separating fantasy from reality.

Not sure why you think it's a Japanese thing. This happens all over the world.

The fact he attempted to kill three people and then stated, "I just wanted to kill someone" doesn't mean mental illness your book, does it?

It may or may not. If he knew what he was doing and didn't care, it wouldn't be a mental illness, it would be a personality disorder.

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I hope this guy swings. I'm in two minds as whether to get over and done quickly, or make him suffer death row for years first. On balance, I don't want to have to pay to keep him in comfort.

Will you be applying for the executioner's role? You do seem to have quite an interest in promoting the death penalty for those you consider undersirable or "non-productive".

or are we all just about giving love and compassion to the "sacred life" of perpetrator?

"We" - I can't speak for "we" but I can applaud those countries which do not operate a barbaric system of vengeance and retribution.

Murder is murder. Whether it's committed by the individuals or the states.

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Murder is murder. Whether it's committed by the individuals or the states.

I personally can't agree with this. When an individual unilaterally (or with accomplices) decides to kill someone for personal reasons, it's murder. When the state reviews all the evidence, and makes the decision that this person isn't eligible to continue to be alive in society based on the actions of that individual, it's not equivalent.

It's like saying kidnapping and imprisonment are the same thing, as both are restricting the freedom of another, whether it's by the individual or the state.

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I am with you, Toasted.

When the state reviews all the evidence, and makes the decision that

this person isn't eligible to continue to be alive in society based on

the actions of that individual, it's not equivalent.

Then deport him, if he is unfit to be living in the society he had failed. The question is, which nation would like to take in a deranged mentally impaired individual, but litter must be taken out to the landfills, or so it goes?

And the last time I checked, personality disorder was one of the countless mental impairments affecting humanity.

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@Toasted Heretic

"We" - I can't speak for "we" but I can applaud those countries which do not operate a barbaric system of vengeance and retribution.

I think of it more as an exceptionally rational determination of the use, or saving, of resources (with the advantage of removing bad genes from out of society).

However many pairs of shoes are they likely to make in prison will never make enough to pay for their keep.

So why should I or the rest of society?

This is the question I keep asking and no one answers? The cost of murder is perhaps worth somewhere around $2 million dollars, on the top of that, there are the annual costs of around $26,000, say another $650,000 over a lifetime. On top of which, add the loss of whatever the victim would have contributed.*

Equate for me the "spiritual" benefit, if that is what it is, in shelling all that out, versus quickly eliminating them.

Seems like a huge waste of time, money and resources for me.

I would have no problem with it than putting down a sick animal. Which, in essence, it is.

* (In the US, the total average cost of a murder was calculated by the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry and Psychology to be around $17 million ... 16,000 murders per year ... equals $272,000,000,000, In the worst case of 9 murders, it was as high as $160 million.

Now what better could you do with that? )

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I just want to stab anybody is such a lame reason just to get a lighter sentence perhaps. sometimes the news isn't as detailed to mention that the murderer gave that excuse after having a long talk with his lawyer.

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Headline/article needs updating.

Death toll as of yesterday is 5, the 2 injured people died.

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The number of prisoners for 2015 are 46,918 men and 4,257 women.

The cost per inmate in American common population is ¥2.4 million per year.

The cost of an American single execution ¥24 million. That does not include the costs of legal aid nor the cost of the courts.

There are no figures available for Japan.

The cost of keeping an inmate on death row for decades and then executed is more than ten times the cost of giving life and putting the inmate into the common population.

In the end, the death penalty is not about the cost but about whether the state has the right to end the life of another and currently 141 countries have decided that they do not and that number increases year-on-year.

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Back on topic please.

His neck needs to be stretched and very soon!

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"Hammerhead"

Trying to evaluate any life in money is beyond me, since I am clinging to material things that were never here and would have never got here without the humanity. So there, money =/= lives.

"trinklets2"

...Or maybe it was the real reason he did that. Is that unheard of mentally impaired people to claim they have heard voices, felt strange urges, motivating them to take someone's life? No, it is not. It was there BC, is AD and as far as I am concerned it far from being purged from the human race. Of course, pretending to be mentally ill will sometimes get them out of prison, which is fine. It should, though, get them into mental institutions that are tasked with evaluating such individuals. I am afraid him saying "I just wanted to kill someone, anyone" is not simply a crime anymore, it is a profound insanity. He is basically the enemy of the balanced reality now. Such a person would only get back to living in a proper society in a proper way only by a miracle, which the mental institutions are supposed to create. Such people losing borders of their own mind must not be "legally murdered", but should not be allowed back in the society easily.

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oh yes, that's right. The fact he attempted to kill three people and then stated, "I just wanted to kill someone" doesn't mean mental illness your book, does it? It's just an average person having a bad day, right?.

Disillusioned - please, I had already stated that he was disturbed, but this does not necessarily mean he was not sane from a legal perspective.

There was no evidence in the article that he suffered from schizophrenia ,for example. He said he wanted to kill someone and that was exactly what he did. However disgusting that is, it is logical and not in itself a sign of insanity.

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Short footnote:

Personality Disorder is a mental illness (see **DSM-V, **Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).

Moral or spiritual values can only, ultimately, be assessed within the framework of real costs.

On one hand, if society cannot afford what might be the most "moral" or "spiritual" pathway, what does it do then?

On the other, societies can only afford what they might believe to be the most "moral" or "spiritual" because they can pay for it.

It becomes an indulgence of wealth, characterized by the typically upper middle classes who champion such compassion.

Back in the real world, where the majority of humanity still lives, if someone kills your or even a grandmother within your community, you and your closest friends just go and give them a terrible death.

Cost, a few beers.

It's bizarre as he does not even appear to have expressed anger or resentment. I there is an argument to suggest that all the combined elements of "modern live" and immersion in virtual realities lead to such eventualities.

Very often they start on domestic animals first, e.g. torturing cats or dogs is typical, and that is the time to catch them (... and hit them really hard, at least metaphorically!).

Japan needs to encourage more people to seek psychotherapeutic help and talk more.

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Back in the real world, where the majority of humanity still lives, if someone kills your or even a grandmother within your community, you and your closest friends just go and give them a terrible death.

Cost, a few beers.

Your "real world" with its repeated insistence on violent retribution in an almost casual manner seems very crass and ill-conceived. Perhaps this path is why the cycle of violence continues, ad nauseum.

A world where compassion is dismissed and seen as a weakness or some class based aberration.

It's bizarre as he does not even appear to have expressed anger or resentment.

Might he be in shock? Is anger and resentment the only possible means of expression in incidents such as these?

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Note to self......continue living in the countryside and away from the crazies. I don't understand why does the summer heat bring out such people that just want to stab/murder/harm people.

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@Toasted Heretic

What is "compassionate" about leaving the innocent members of society - including the families and communities of the victims of their crimes - to pay for their incarceration?

What is "compassionate" about leaving a rape victim or victim of child abuse with the thought that in a couple of years the individual is going to walk free and they might bump into them again?

What is even "compassionate" about leaving someone in a regimented Japanese prison for the rest of their life?

That is absurd. It a double punishment for the victims and a burden on society, increasingly pushed by those profiting out of the system.

Well, if you look at the statistics for the nations with the most murders, you'll notice those traditional countries, or communities, tend to right down the bottom along with Japan (excluding those sold AK47s), while "civilized" nations - with vastly expensive legal and penitentiary systems like the US where justice is outsourced to large, profit orientated corporations to exploit - are right up the top.

The Buddha also said, "indiscriminate charity (or compassion) is a apuñña (demerit)".

I would argue, from within a Buddhist framework, that the express of your undiscerning values unlimited is demeritorious action that brings bad and disagreeable results. And those "bad and disagreeable results" don't even have to be looked for in some cosmic karmical realm but in societies where individuals carry out crimes with relative impunity ... where you can kill someone easily, and get out of jail free.

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Back on topic please. Buddhism is not relevant to this discussion. Please focus your comments on the story.

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