Couple arrested for extorting ¥1.1 million from man over video voyeurism

Dumb and dumber. What a pair of losers.

people would pay anything to avoid the 23 days detention of solitary confinement

Financially desperate times for some so they come up with some indigenous ideas. That's a few months salary for a weekend work

Meant to say ingenious, hahaha.

"Miyanishi told police that she and Omata had been committing similar offenses every weekend in Ikebukuro"

"Higashi-Ikebukuro in Tokyo's Toshima Ward" such a nice place, a lot westerners there at the guest houses, etc., nearby to Shinjuku..

@fuzzylogic.

I beg to to differ, Higashi-Ikebukuro is a dive lined with multicultural meth hoes, and yaks.

No sympathy for the victims, getting extorted was them getting off easy!!!

Glad both of these scoundrels are behind bars though!!!

So, let me get this straight... they were arrested for blackmailing perverts who filmed up the woman's skirt?

What about the perverts? Do they get away with it? I'm surprised the police haven't been using this method to arrest the pervs themselves.

The cops should put these two on the payroll.

Although Miyanishi was quoted as saying “I can easily tell what type of person is likely to commit voyeurism,”

This skill can be really helpful for lot of people to avoid being a victim.

the woman was his woman wtf does that mean？

I caught a guy dressed in drag doing this. Grabbed him and handed over to the boys in blue with his phone. But as the woman he was taking pic up her skirt had gone they could arrest him but...... they did return him to his wife dressed in drag and told her what he had done! Priceless

This is entrapment and extortion, but of people who are actually breaking the law.

It's much better than the old yakuza atari-ya technique of setting innocent people up for car accidents and then extorting them.

Wow, a 21st century, safe-sex high tech badger game! Who says there's no such thing as progress!

This is entrapment and extortion, but of people who are actually breaking the law.

Are you really going to let these two be your arbiters of who is breaking the law? Some may not have been doing anything but looking at their phones behind her, and when confronted by this troglodyte accusing them of filming decided it best to just pay up. Not only criminals but police are also scary, and there are a ton of stories from a ton of innocent people how scary police can be.

“I can easily tell what type of person is likely to commit voyeurism,”

I think its a lot more likely she is good at passing non-verbal cues to look up her skirt and also good at telling who took that bait. Looking gets to filming.

And this is why entrapment is so wrong. The REAL perp is the person teasing and enticing others and reassuring that its okay only to turn around and punish their target. Its essentially punishing people for being NEAR a border by pushing them over and slamming them for now being over. Its completely evil whatever excuses are made for it.

Japanese news story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ7xMG9ITFg

Japanese news story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ7xMG9ITFg

Thanks for the link. It said the same things as this article. Sometimes there can be missing info in the English but this time the English had all the details of that Japanese story.

The fact that a woman in a miniskirt can walk around in train stations and easily bait men into trying to film her underwear is more telling about Japan than it is about any of the parties involved here...

The headline should read couple arrested for extorting 1.1 million yen from man... because you can't get a man out of money the way the original headline reads.

Seems like an efficient way of catching these men. If they had reported them to the police instead of blackmailing them, they'd be praised.

Does this happen in any other country?

Variations of it.

It's such a comon trope that it even has a name: The Honeypot.

Although Miyanishi was quoted as saying “I can easily tell what type of person is likely to commit voyeurism,”

I can easily tell what type of crook will be easily caught by the cops. Stupid ones. Run the same unsophisticated scam often enough and guess what? You wind up in the slammer. Let's see you skirt those charges.

Seems like an efficient way of catching these men.

As they planned it all from the start, choosing clothing, location and no doubt even ensuring she gets on the escalator in front of men she picks out from a crowd, it is defacto consensual activity even without a clear prior agreement.

But hey, I know some people just want to crack down on anything and everything sexual and will justify any means at all to accomplish that.

Do the hustleAug. 4  05:36 pm JST

The cops should put these two on the payroll.

These 2 badgers are playing at what the cops should be doing. It's still blackmail, and that's a crime.

Regardless of the blackmail, the man committed a sex crime - yet people rush to defend him.

Clear where your priorities lie.

the woman was his woman wtf does that mean？

The Japanese media is quoting him as saying 俺の女 - “my woman”.

Stupid! Somebody sent me like that, I would tell them to go “blank” off! I would never allow anyone to extort me for anything and if somebody sent me I will call their bluff and praying hope that they would make good on their promise.

"Stupid! Somebody sent me like that, I would tell them to go “blank” off! I would never allow anyone to extort me for anything and if somebody sent me I will call their bluff and praying hope that they would make good on their promise."

You are honest and would not be doing something so illegal as taking videos up ladies skirts. If you live a clean life you don't have to worry about being blackmailed.

"The fact that a woman in a miniskirt can walk around in train stations and easily bait men into trying to film her underwear is more telling about Japan than it is about any of the parties involved here..."

Not a problem confined to Japan.

"It's such a comon trope that it even has a name: The Honeypot."

Honeypot or Honey Trap is more often used to describe the use of an attractive intelligence agent used to compromise and blackmail a foreign diplomat or intelligence officer, or to recruit a spy to do your bidding. The Russians in particular are adept at this. Maria Butina and "Violetta Sienna" (probably not her real name) come immediately to mind.

girl_in_tokyoAug. 5  06:43 pm JST

Regardless of the blackmail, the man committed a sex crime - yet people rush to defend him.

Clear where your priorities lie.

he certainly did but in US courts he'd have the charges dropped on the account of being set up. And blackmailing/badgering is a crime. If this was a police sting operation that'd be another matter altogether. And lady cops do go out in the red light districts for sting operations.

Clear where your priorities lie.

Yes. In fairness and justice.

These two were happily anticipating men filming up her skirt. They were hoping and praying men would. They did everything they could short of saying "please" to get men to do it. So this was completely consensual activity, but they would lie and act like it wasn't.

So what is your priority? A world where people can use lies to get rich? A world where men's desires can be intentionally dangled in front of them as bait and then reel them in and destroy them for having the desires and taking the bait that was freely offered?

If this was a police sting operation that'd be another matter altogether.

No it wouldn't. Its the same thing only their bosses collect the fine money.

And lady cops do go out in the red light districts for sting operations.

And they are also sending out cues that invite the exact attention they receive. They may not think they are, or they may pretend they aren't, but they are.

They did everything they could short of saying "please" to get men to do it. So this was completely consensual activity

So let's get this straight. Consent is the default, and women must actively revoke it?

Yikes.

Vanessa Carlisle Today 08:13 am JST

And they are also sending out cues that invite the exact attention they receive. They may not think they are, or they may pretend they aren't, but they are.

Let me just check your meaning here.

If a woman wears a miniskirt, she is inviting men to film up her skirt. Even if she didn't wear it for that purpose, she still wore it, which means the invitation is still there.

Yeah, no.

If a woman wears a miniskirt, she is inviting men to film up her skirt.

I guess I need to repeat myself. I never said the way a woman dresses is, by itself, an invitation. But when combined with the active seeking out of "certain" "types" of males to stand in front of on the escalator, looking at those males' faces in a way to determine what their "type" is, while simultaneously desiring them to look and film and wearing facial expressions and thus presenting other non-verbal cues which invite this behavior, then it all together amounts to an invitation. The mini-skirt and the escalator only defines the types of invitations it is, which is looking and filming.

I’m still having troubles with the creepy idea that you think consent is implicit and needs to be revoked.

Vanessa CarlisleAug. 6 10:51 am JST

I guess I need to repeat myself. I never said the way a woman dresses is, by itself, an invitation. But when combined with the active seeking out of "certain" "types" of males to stand in front of on the escalator, looking at those males' faces in a way to determine what their "type" is, while simultaneously desiring them to look and film and wearing facial expressions and thus presenting other non-verbal cues which invite this behavior, then it all together amounts to an invitation. The mini-skirt and the escalator only defines the types of invitations it is, which is looking and filming.

It's funny.

When women use non-verbal cues to say that they do not want sexual attention, from frowning and pulling away, to pushing their hands away, that is said not to be enough and women need to directly say "no don't" in order for men to understand.

Yet all women have to do to invite and consent to sexual contact and attention is ... smile? Wear a miniskirt? Walk up an escalator in front of a man? And of course, men can perfectly read those signals and don't need the woman to verbalize them.

Again, yeah, no.

This is not only self-serving excuse so that the man gets to do whatever he wants no matter how the woman feels, it's also dangerous to perpetuate the idea that a woman existing as a sexual being is, all by itself, a sexual invitation to any and all men who happen to come across her. This is not just creepy - it's rapey.

You two need to read this badly. I suspect you are going to be good with everything until you get to "clothing" and then you are going to lose your minds. Non-verbal communication is said to account for 60 to 70 percent of human communication, with a lot of it being unintentional. Its not just smiles and clothes and position. Its also glances, non-verbal noises people make, posture, gestures and more. And no, none of its perfect but its how we operate, like it or not. Wishing it all away is not going to work. Entrappers use such non-verbal cues and lie non-verbally to their victims, whether they are consciously aware of it or not. You cannot fairly lie to people then fault them for acting on false information. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_communication

Vanessa CarlisleToday 12:50 pm JST

You two need to read this badly. I suspect you are going to be good with everything until you get to "clothing" and then you are going to lose your minds.

I don't know what that even means. Can you explain what you mean by "be good with everything" - what is "everything"? And "until you get to clothing" - what about clothing, exactly?

Non-verbal communication is said to account for 60 to 70 percent of human communication, with a lot of it being unintentional.

I am not sure you understood this correctly. What we are actually saying is that non-verbal communication is not enough for a man to assume that a woman consents to sexual activity. This is because erring on the side of caution is very important, since non-verbal communication can easily - very easily - be misconstrued. That means a guy can't make assumptions - he needs to get verbal consent when it comes to sexual activity, because if he misunderstands, misconstrues, misses the signal, then he is going to assault someone.

You cannot fairly lie to people then fault them for acting on false information.

See, this is why we get verbal consent - then there is no doubt whatsoever what someone wants. There won't be any possibility of misunderstanding if one person directly asks the other. The man is protecting himself as well as his partner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_communication

Ah, Wikipedia. When it comes to sex, sexual assault, rape, and other very serous and nuanced subjects, I think it would be prudent to dig a bit deeper than one single website that is known to be inaccurate to the point where it is not considered to be a reputable source.