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Its been interesting to watch, although I missed much of the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4KH7_TwV0M

15 ( +15 / -0 )

He is really sticking it to the Japanese system, and Nissan. And good on him. Any innocent foreigner who winds up mixed up in the "justice" system here....it's scary. I LOVE how he has the documents live on a screen behind him. It's a shame the Japanese people are so brainwashed that they can't accept what has happened here. "But he was arrested! He must be guilty!" (eyes roll).

54 ( +62 / -8 )

This is awesome!

38 ( +43 / -5 )

Good to see the truth finally coming out. A lot of people have egg on their faces now.

32 ( +40 / -8 )

He is not done

32 ( +36 / -4 )

Love it how he made a reference to Pearl Harbor. Pure entertainment.

37 ( +43 / -6 )

Now....

Yes...he did to go to Iwaki (in Fukushima) while many Nissan execs ran the other way....and he did turn down GM...

38 ( +40 / -2 )

Still watching, he is in the right. If he didn't flee nobody would question the medieval system. Saved two car companies and is now putting the light on a archaic legal system wish I had such an impact on life.

37 ( +41 / -4 )

He is a really persuasive,passionate talker.The Japanese justice system is tainted and discredited.And the big one: Japanese judges are puppets to the prosecutors,hence the 99.4% conviction rate.The prosecutors,or with his accent, sounded like persecutors,which they are,are purely glorified bullies operating for Nissan and the govt.

39 ( +43 / -4 )

Love it how he made a reference to Pearl Harbor. Pure entertainment.

Makes a grown man say, "Daaaaammmmnnn, brutha! That's gotta sting!!"

25 ( +28 / -3 )

This is an evisceration of the system in Japan (not the Japanese society or people, which Ghosn eloquently pointed out). He was obviously railroaded much in the way Michael Woodford was at Olympus but this is 100 times worse. He is now taking a break and will take and answer questions in 4 languages...none of which are Japanese... (unfortunately I only can understand 2).

I still do now walk away a fan of his and still wonder if he did something not ethical (by our standards...meaning not within 1%)...but he has made an excellent case and has moved me further into his "camp" on this issue.

I am a Permanent Resident here, will probably stay for life, but shame, shame, shame on Japan (as I always sometimes say shame on my country of citizenship, the U.S.)

32 ( +36 / -4 )

Japanese authorities tricked Ghosn into coming to Japan and arrested him under false pretenses, just like they did with Greg Kelly.

All a sham.

30 ( +33 / -3 )

The first half was interesting, he has documentation demonstrating everything was signed of by multiple people...exactly how everything is done in Japan. 'It was a staged set up'.

The 2nd half was a mistake...'I'm innocent, because the companies made more money when i was in charge.'

Guilty or not, I don't care, but my impression is he should have taken a week to calm down down and hit his key points with more focus.

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Yeah don't read it second hand, it's all on YouTube

13 ( +14 / -1 )

Ghosn did a lot of really positive things for the Japanese and Nissan.

Suddenly, he is arrested and denied the right to speak?

Thankfully, his family stood by him through it all and he got his freedom back.

His speech brought tears to my eyes....

38 ( +42 / -4 )

@spinning - you make a very good point and in most times I would agree with you however he was put into an interesting position/dilemma and I think he needed to go to extremes to defend himself after being basically held hostage for about 1 1/4 years. I do understand your point and in most cases I would agree with you..

10 ( +11 / -1 )

How the Japanese media is trying to spin this its comical...lots of egg on face today..

30 ( +33 / -3 )

No one can trust the Japanese legal system now.

29 ( +34 / -5 )

Live Q&As from CNBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4KH7_TwV0M

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Now taking questions. Beautiful!

18 ( +20 / -2 )

He said there was collusion between Nissan executives, some of whom he named, and government officials whom he would not name.

Why not name the government officials?

17 ( +19 / -2 )

be telling this here for years. Absolutely anyone here can become a hostage of the Japanese injustice system in a blink of an eye, guilty or not.

How the Japanese media is trying to spin this its comical...lots of egg on face today..

indeed, hilarious watching an ex-prosecutor as a guest all nervous on tv trying to defend himself. ''we never ever discriminate foreigner defendants'' ''japanese justice is fair'' .... what a joke.

31 ( +32 / -1 )

Compelling stuff.

Really smashed the Japanese legal system. The prosecutor pulls the strings. Sounds like Putins Russia. Haha. I'm loving this. But will ordinary Japanese people see this

34 ( +35 / -1 )

Taking questions in 4 languages....more beautiful...

He explained near the beginning that naming government officials (he implied rather) would be diplomatically "improper" and could possibly adversely impact Lebanon/Japan relations. I wish he would have named government officials but I can completely understand why he did not.

28 ( +28 / -0 )

"“Unfortunately there was no trust. And some of our Japanese friends thought that the only way to get rid of Renault in Nissan is to get rid of me,” he said."

27 ( +27 / -0 )

@Osaka_Doug No one can trust the Japanese legal system now.

Did you ever trust it?

31 ( +31 / -0 )

The sad thing is that I love this country and I will stay here for many reasons (business, family, and just a place where I fit in). Japan as just as imperfect as any other country (my country is quite imperfect)......

I am certainly not saying I would leave Japan but I must admit; this case and how it is playing out and what we are learning is truly challenging me as to why I stay here (as did Olympus in the first part of the last decade)

22 ( +22 / -0 )

I have dealt with the Japanese injustice system in the past, (I am not going to get into details on this matter)

and although the prosecutor kept saying that the outcome wasn't because I was a foreigner, I still have a hard time seeing things that way. Mentioning that repeatedly didn't reassure me one bit. Although I understand some Japanese probably had it as bad, I'd still say that as a foreigner you're even more helpless.

Regarding the government, the judicial system and the ("traditional") work culture:

Cute characters: Tatemae

Xenophobia, ultra-nationalism and a lot of other things I'd get in trouble for mentioning: Honne

This is someone who's lived in Japan for nearly 20 years, not a hater, but there's definitely room for improvement.

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@Tokyo-Engr I was just going to mention that. A multilingual press conference. It's great to FINALLY be able to listen to him speak FREELY.

By the way, as I was typing this, there was one lady who asked a question in an aggressive manner lol

14 ( +15 / -1 )

Ghost of Ghosn came back to haunt the treacherous architects of his historical fall from grace. And it’s gunna hurt. Can’t believe CNN and a host of others played the whole thing LIVE in all its vengeful, ungagged, passionate glory. This will go down in history folks. Japan TODAY readers and commentators called the farce from the very start, and now the story has truly GHOSN GLOBAL. That was just awesome.

Will be interesting to see how the J media runs with this. Now that the actually story is blown. Stick with the collusion and simpleton narratives of Ghosn being a “greedy dictator” or choose to go deeper? What was it Ghosn called it, a total disregard for the truth?

At a crossroads y’all. Test of mettle and character. May wanna sleep on it first ay!

23 ( +23 / -0 )

Jesus, it's painful listening to the Japanese journalist's poor English.

23 ( +26 / -3 )

"..so why me "breaking the law" is a problem.. but the prosecutor breaking 10 laws is not a problem.." Boom!!

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@Mayunia...it is great isn't it? They should ask aggressive questions against Ghosn and he should be able to aggressively defend himself.

I hope he is challenged to the extreme and I hope he is allowed to defend himself to the extreme as well (now listening to Japanese reporter's question).

This is the way it is supposed to be

21 ( +21 / -0 )

He is absolutely incandescent with injustice. Good, burn it down, the Japanese civil code (Not seen any major reform for over 100 years) is an appalling yolk on the people, used as a weapon of fear. The law is meant to be to support and protect, not beat and destroy.

25 ( +27 / -2 )

Why not name the government officials?

Japan gives money to Lebanon in aid.If Ghosn went round naming names and embarrassing the Japanese govt officials,the aid could be severely jeopardized,forcing Lebanon to give him up to keep it.He's no fool.Of course it goes to the top including the prime minister being in the loop.No way,no how,Abe is not involved.

13 ( +14 / -1 )

I told you. Nothing new but only what everyone here knows already. Ghosn is always like this. Such a disgusting excuse for Ghson by Ghson of Ghosn.

-31 ( +3 / -34 )

I'm Japanese. He's doing something good.

This might change the justice system here a little.

On the other hand, he never spoke any evidence that he is innocent. He looks like one of ordinary rich people who who avoid tax and cheat. He's only criticizing the justice of Japan so far.

Guys, don't take me wrong, I like him. However I find it difficult to see him proven totally innocent.

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I'm loving this. But will ordinary Japanese people see this

yeah, still skeptical about that too.... as anyone here might know, the slightest criticism or constructive idea in this place is swiftly brushed off with a "but this is Japan".

For many japanese, Ghosn might be seen as a foreigner trouble maker that "doesn't understand the japanese culture".

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@Kazmichi....You're reply is very genuine. In some part I agree with you. This justice system affects Japanese citizens much more than gaikokujin.

He has provide some (limited) information why he is innocent of what they charged him of.

The evidence he provided (if you can say he is guilty) would also implicate the Japanese Nissan executives as being guilty

I am not sure I like him actually - but I like he is standing up to the system

In the end it is best for you (as a Japanese citizen) and for me (as a Permanent Resident of Japan who will stay here most likely until my death) that he challenges the system and tries to make it better.

My only hope is that there is some positive reform to the system. The truth is (and it is sad and it is the same in my country) neither you or I are rich or wealth or connected enough to change it ourselves but maybe this case can do it in some small way.

I know many Japanese citizens who are saying something very similar to you.

24 ( +24 / -0 )

Why not name the government officials?

Did you even listen to what he said? He said that he didn’t want to cause any more friction between Japan and Lebanon. If he name top government officials it would inflict international tension between the two nations. Ghosn was smart and went for the jugular of those within the company and prosecutors and that is where his issues are.

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@WobotJan. 8  11:54 pm JST

To be fair, he really doesn't know what we are here for. I'm on Minute 20 so far, and all I hear is him whining. The camera was on 12 minutes before he even started...

-39 ( +3 / -42 )

@Kazuaki - your post is at 00:05 am. This press conference started at 22:00 JST. I think maybe you have missed alot of this press conference.

Ghosn has made it quite clear as to what we are here for and it is not just limited to foreigners but to Japanese as well.

15 ( +16 / -1 )

I’ve never liked this guy but I believe every word he says.

24 ( +24 / -0 )

Truth finally comes out.

Worth staying up late watching on CNN.

Gambate Carlos Ghosn!

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Did you even listen to what he said? He said that he didn’t want to cause any more friction between Japan and Lebanon. If he name top government officials it would inflict international tension between the two nations. 

Do you even believe him in saying as such. He just doesn't have evidence enough to name top Japanese government officials, otherwise, at least he could clearly mention Japanese government is pressing Lebanon,

or what exactly he means by the tension inflicted between nations.

-31 ( +2 / -33 )

On the other hand, he never spoke any evidence that he is innocent. He looks like one of ordinary rich people who who avoid tax and cheat. He's only criticizing the justice of Japan so far

Yes he did, what are you talking about!? He categorically addressed many (maybe all?) charges and showed how many people had signed off on what he is accused of demonstrating it all followed protocol. How is that not evidence?!!?

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Tokyo-EngrToday 12:09 am JST

@Kazuaki - your post is at 00:05 am. This press conference started at 22:00 JST. I think maybe you have missed alot of this press conference.

Even on Livestream, you can actually click on the left part of the screen to check out the beginning. Also, some stations were smart enough to "cut him off" after his main speech and make that part into a video rather than just a stream. I'm on one of those right now:

https://youtu.be/5WvRDV67mDU by euronews (in English)

He should really put any whines he has in the back and lead off on what everyone is interested in. New stuff. His defence. Everyone is talking how much of a great talker he is but frankly he hasn't even gotten to his meat and I'm beginning to fall asleep.

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To Tokyo Engr.

Thank you for responding, mister.

The Japanese justice system is messed up and I admit it. For example juvenile law, no punishment for old driver and so on.

I'm also not sure if he is a good guy but this press conference will stimulate Japanese system and also it's people. Let's see what happens next.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

He's well respected in the international community on CNN for a guy that has a red notice by Interpol.

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@finally rich

For many japanese, Ghosn might be seen as a foreigner trouble maker that "doesn't understand the japanese culture".

He decided to flee Japan because he started understanding Japanese culture.

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Good good on him he shut out NHK I never liked them

33 ( +35 / -2 )

Some people argue that Ghosn is just another powerful CEO trying to avoid laws. However, only such a powerful CEO could draw attention to Japan's deeply-rooted legal and corporate governance problems. This will hopefully shine a light on these problems, which will be very good for Japan's recovery in the long run.

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Regardless of the Japanese judicial system, if Carlos Ghosn didn’t want to go to jail he should have avoided behaviour that got him there.

It is not in Japan only that he’s regarded as a figure of dubious integrity.

He fled France to Japan for questionable expenses worth 11 million Euros. Settled with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission over claims of failing to disclose more than $140 million in pay to him from Nissan. Now fled Japan for more questionable expenses and tax evasion. He seems to be a greedy crook but then again another rich man evades the justice system.

Hopefully he will have to answer for consorting with Israel while he was in tenure at Nissan. It is a crime in Lebanon to have any dealings with Israel, Lebanon's sworn enemy.

-28 ( +9 / -37 )

Tell the truth Ghosn and shame the DEVIL !!

14 ( +16 / -2 )

Excellent press conference. The persecutors and Nissan were torn apart.

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Skipping bail is a criminal offence.

He moved from being a suspect to becoming a criminal.

That is the law.

No ifs no buts!

Ghosn will remain a criminal for the remainder of his life, unless he pays the penalty for evading justice.

Not even all the support he gets from anything Japan haters will change that.

Fat chance of a criminal being hired or becoming a Prime Minister.

-27 ( +9 / -36 )

LOL! Get em Ghosn!

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Hideously embarrasing for Japan. Makes them look like an Asian country.

22 ( +25 / -3 )

Excellent conference by Mr.Ghosn.

And now the entire world knows how archaic and primitive is the justice machine in Japan.

Instead of reform the article 9 the lawmakers of that country should reform their “justice” system.

20 ( +24 / -4 )

Carlos was or is possibly being investigated for funding of terrorists. You move millions around the middle east it raises eyebrows. Lebanon, business dealings in Bagdad and Dubai. He should reveal his loyalties to who?

-22 ( +5 / -27 )

It's funny that Nissan pleaded guilty to charges but pleaded not guilty to the same charges in the US. Nissan also spent $200million to smear Ghosn of $10million in compensation that had not even been approved by Nissan and there was no slush fund and plenty of Nissan documents signed by the controller,.board members, etc. He was setup. Corruption must, Nissan?????

Not to mention, almost 80 Nissan executives guilty of the same acts. I didn't see any of them arrested.

20 ( +24 / -4 )

He wanted to name the Japanese government officials involved in this. Remember it goes all the way to the very top. But he was persuaded upon by the Lebanese government to leave them out. He is the their guest. The Lebanese government has welcomed him, providing him security so he cannot go against their advice that's the reason why he didn't drop those names.

14 ( +16 / -2 )

Criminal fugitive..

-25 ( +5 / -30 )

Good opinion piece in The G: 'The former Nissan boss is right to point the finger at a legal system that the UN has described as ‘medieval’. In Japan, laws are used as weapons against targeted people and not applied equally. One example of this is the “hostage justice” (hitojichi-shiho) system. Hostage justice boils down to the accused remaining in custody until they incriminate themselves by signing a confession. Often this is drawn up by prosecutors who browbeat the accused without defence counsel. Knowing that the playing field is tilted in favour of the prosecutors and that they could spend a very long time in jail even before going to court, many innocent defendants confess. Ghosn spent more than 120 days in detention'.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/08/carlos-ghosn-nissan-boss-japanese-justice

16 ( +18 / -2 )

A fugitive would hide..

you’re looking at the perfect example of an honourable man.

20 ( +22 / -2 )

No doubt he is an innocent man who is being destroyed by a system in japan which would commit suicide rather than admit its own fault.

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Ghosn will remain a criminal for the remainder of his life, unless he pays the penalty for evading justice.

He will get a suspended sentence outside of Japan, so the prosecutors can save face.

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For many japanese, Ghosn might be seen as a foreigner trouble maker that "doesn't understand the japanese culture".

Finally a foreigner teaching Japanese the way of the Samurai!

14 ( +16 / -2 )

I've been fighting for justice since 2006 when I was victimized in Tokyo where I've lived since the 1970's, met 14 lawyers went through district and high courts experienced prejudice ineptitude injustice all the way to the top I am elated this case has shed light on the crap that goes on here.

19 ( +22 / -3 )

In order to publicly address the accusations against him, Ghosn had to flee abroad.

Justice and free speech are severely restricted in Japan. Guilty or not, he has a right to defend himself.

18 ( +22 / -4 )

Ghosn must be stepping on a lot of toes here. In this thread he’s been accused of not only supporting Israel but also funding “terrorists”. Nice try to distract from the main issues, folks.

15 ( +18 / -3 )

Still can't believe anything he says. The fact he ran away from his only opportunity to clear himself speaks volume about the consistent dishonesty.

Also, he could have had the exact same conference whilst on bail in Japan and still have his day in court.

The hand gesturings, and annecdote is expected of a conman not a reputable witness, and I guess that's why he chose not to face court.

The rat accepted the same justice system for decades, did nothing.

The same system that treated him better than most other Japanese in the same predicament (he got bail).

Then there are contradictions within seconds of him spewing out 'facts', like keeping him isolated for days, no contact, not even with guards, only to contradict seconds later by saying they interrogated him day and night.

Don't know about anyone here. I can't stand side by side with a rat that flee justice in a box.

-28 ( +7 / -35 )

Sh1mon M4sadaToday  06:01 am JST

"Still can't believe anything he says. The fact he ran away from his only opportunity to clear himself speaks volume about the consistent dishonesty."

Well put!

Couldn't agree with you more.

-22 ( +7 / -29 )

Why can't my beautiful country of Japan realize that the Japanese justice system is unfair and needs to be reformed and fixed? This is the reason why Japan needs to realize that if the Justice system is not fixed and remains the way it is, how is the treaty going to solve with any country without usiing bribery? Japan has done this to countless countries by using bribery and it's a crime that shouldn't be used as a treaty with other countries period

20 ( +24 / -4 )

Commodore Carlos Ghosn speaking from the Black Ship of public opinion where was given a 99.4% thumbs up.

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Also, he could have had the exact same conference whilst on bail in Japan and still have his day in court.

No he couldn't. Did you forget how he TRIED to hold a press conference and was then immediately rearrested by the prosecutors to prevent him from speaking? Meanwhile those same prosecutors were constantly leaking information to the media. That's the kind of dirty prosecutors they are.

20 ( +22 / -2 )

The part about the solitary confinement was especially brutal.

It seemed at times to ramble, and I dont know why he needs to protect the gov individuals, but overall I think he did a good job.

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Why can't my beautiful country of Japan realize that the Japanese justice system is unfair and needs to be reformed and fixed? 

This is the real tragedy, isn't it?

It's clear more than ever now from this escapade the country does not learn to analyze an issue and cultural issue of hiding your feelings to protect against harassment. Ghosn mentioned he only invited media who could analyze issues when a Japanese reporter asked why only specific press were allowed into the press conference. After the NHK news report about Ghosn (not analysis), it was ironic the report showed a Chinese company demonstrating a touch screen panel created from a projector. Japan does need to train the population to analyze if it is going to reinvent itself. Ghosn has given Japan a great gift, and I hope the population that understands starts to take more leadership to educate others.

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I watched the whole presentation. He obliterated all the charges against him, and this whole case. He strike me as a very smart man. On the other hand, i can understand why Nissan decided to do what they did. The French State, which is notorious for being cunning and nationalistic, would have had more power over Nissan with much less share than Nissan itself. They probably felt this is unfair, and that Ghosn was behind this, since he is a French citizen. Nissan wanted more autonomy, wheres Renault wanted mergence, Ghosn tried to appease both sides, but the Nissan people didn't trust him. They used a backward and flawed judicial system to their advantage to get rid of him. I really hope Ghosn finds a way to clear his name in a court of law. He is a very talented man. Let's also hope this case leads to a positive change for the Japanese legal system.

11 ( +14 / -3 )

Then there are contradictions within seconds of him spewing out 'facts', like keeping him isolated for days, no contact, not even with guards, only to contradict seconds later by saying they interrogated him day and night.

He can be kept isolated for days and interrogated both day and night. The mistake is in thinking it must be one or the other.

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Still can't believe anything he says. The fact he ran away from his only opportunity to clear himself speaks volume about the consistent dishonesty."

Why not? Personal biases (emotion) often cloud clear thinking. Ghosn answered this question in the press conference yesterday. When replying to the Japanese press about this same question, Ghosn clearly showed with documentation the 10x issues of the dishonesty of prosecutors. If Ghosn is dishonest, then the prosectors are as well. Why are people not looking at this? Ignoring an opposing is called a double standard

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@I love coffee. I watched the whole presentation. He obliterated all the charges against him, and this whole case. He strike me as a very smart man. 

I also watched the whole presentation and agree, I feel Ghosn showed his intelligence, leadership and even respect for Japan. He is a true leader, and will make an excellent university professor. He deserves the respect the world gave him yesterday.

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@Osaka_Doug Great point.

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Japan is not going to like this. I hav no doubt they are already working on ways to cover up and deny any accusations made by Ghosn in his factual account of his arrest. It's another clear case of incarcerating a person indefinitely to break them and to force a confession. This is not how the law is supposed to work. The Japanese prosecutors are the ones who should be in jail for perverting justice.

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No he couldn't. Did you forget how he TRIED to hold a press conference and was then immediately rearrested by the prosecutors to prevent him from speaking?

yeah, yeah....

He was re-arrested on new charges, not for organising a conference. Prosecutors adding new charges in Japan is not unusual either. It's how they work, you might not like it, but fleeing is not going to fix the system, it'll force the system to harden up, as can be seen already.

An entire country now have to pay for the sins of one rat.

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You keep calling him “rat”

Is it because you look down at him as an inferior being?

Your word is disgusting,you still talk about a human being.

For sure human rights and equality are unknown words for your kind.

You might hate it but now the world knows the truth and Mr.Ghosn proved his point brilliantly in his conference.

13 ( +18 / -5 )

Ghosn states he and his family were ripped apart. What about the many employees, customers, investors, researchers etc that could have benefited from the many profits taken had they only gone into the company and spread out. hmmm.

"I felt like the hostage of a country I served for 17 years," he told reporters., from what I recall and understand there was no noose, gun or knife pointed at him where he couldn't step down and find another job or run his own company. Nope he had all them 17 yrs to leave on his own free will but decided on greed to milk a cash cow. Hmmm bet he still has a nice portfolio too. This guy is a crook and surely someone out there will find a way to bring him back to face justice if not now in the future. Japan has lots of patience ask the Ahn group as they were all hanged even after years of their criminal cases.

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To sum this all up, I think the prosecutors and jpolice messed with the wrong guy! I supported and believed he was innocent from Day 1 and I shall continue to stand by him! Because ladies and gentlemen, this is the 2020 version of David and Goliath.

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The fact he ran away from his only opportunity to clear himself speaks volume about the consistent dishonesty.

Statistically speaking, his chances of "clearing himself" were 0.6%. Would you take that bet when losing means losing your freedom and likely the rest of your life? I didn't think so.

All it speaks volumes about is his ability to put two and two together.

15 ( +18 / -3 )

Ghosn's crime: Making the Japanese Keystones, prosecutors, and pols look like the corrupt, dyspotic idiots they are.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

All it speaks volumes about is his ability to put two and two together.

he had two decades to put it together...

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Poor man, Ghosn spoke a lot about Japanese justice. It seems to me Japan will have to change the hostage justice. Severe interrogation and longest detention seem too terrible for all suspects like Ghosn. However there is no clear evidences that Ghosn is proved innocent about all charges against him. During long speak, he just insisted he is innocent. That's all about it. I guess Nissan CEOs did wrongdoings and Ghosn also did.

-2 ( +6 / -8 )

Some Japanese commentators (Japanese names) show how brainwashed they are to never accoey that J legal system should be improved.

I wish it will help Japan to stop actions from some legal powerful persons to undermine fair justice.

Thanks Japan Today to let the many commentators give their opinion.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

You keep calling him “rat”

Is it because you look down at him as an inferior being?

https://ethics.theamericancollege.edu/library/news/everyday-ethics-%E2%80%93-what-if-everybody-did

Is this self explanatory enough for you? What if everybody flee bail?

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Also, he could have had the exact same conference whilst on bail in Japan and still have his day in court.

He was never allowed to organize a press conference and his bail prevented him to do that. The only communication with the press he had were few, controlled and restricted interviews, mainly with some foreign reporters.

Still can't believe anything he says.

No once care if you believe him or not. You don't make justice.

The fact he ran away from his only opportunity to clear himself speaks volume about the consistent dishonesty.

Makes no sense. Write in English please.

The rat accepted the same justice system for decades, did nothing.

He was not put in jail for four months with fabricated allegations, why should have he cared? And if he is a rat that enjoyed some many success in his life, imagine what you are given you didn't achieve even 0.1% of what he did.

The same system that treated him better than most other Japanese in the same predicament (he got bail).

He was put in jail for three months and got a bail that restricted considerably his freedom since he was not allowed to use his private phone, computer and see his family. Saikawa who admitted his financial misconduct got nothing.

Then there are contradictions within seconds of him spewing out 'facts', like keeping him isolated for days, no contact, not even with guards, only to contradict seconds later by saying they interrogated him day and night.

Again this sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Don't know about anyone here. I can't stand side by side with a rat that flee justice in a box.

You can't take that he humiliated Japan can you?

He was re-arrested on new charges, not for organising a conference. 

He was arrested because they claimed that he did not respect his bail conditions. No new charges were added after that arrest.

Prosecutors adding new charges in Japan is not unusual either. It's how they work, you might not like it, but fleeing is not going to fix the system

Silly statement. He doesn't want to fix the system, he wants to prove his innocence. And nobody with a working brain can claim that the fact that the prosecutors keep adding fabricated allegations is just "how they work".

An entire country now have to pay for the sins of one rat.

The country had a dictatorship justice system before Ghosn, how he is making it worse?

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Two things we all know from this, 1:) Do not trust Japanese justice System 2:) Do not trust Nissan or Carlos Ghosn

There are two sides to everything, I am sure there is some amount of truth that ghosn used compnay funds to line his own pockets, even the french can see that, But i do not think ghson is the only person who was on the fiddle at nissan. Saikawa and others were also involved, the way the whole thing has been handled is completely ridiculous and for it to have come to this situation tells us just how out of touch the Japanese really are sometimes.

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Japanese should no longer tolerate the unevolved behavior of the people in control of the country’s justice system. Their behavior is barbaric; their actions are embarrassing.

Ghosn’s press conference made it clear without any doubt the extensive harassment that the Japanese legal system subjects its targets, including hundreds of days of solitary confinement and questioning without any formal charges and without the presence of a lawyer, continual trial delays extending multiple years, punishment for speech criticizing Japan’s criminal justice system when out on bail, and the targeting of family members. Japan has undoubtedly violated the human rights of this man and his family.

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Is this self explanatory enough for you? What if everybody flee bail?

That's not the point and the link you provided is non sense. Absolutely irrelevant. The point is that he was accused and put in jail like a criminal with few evidence, then put on restricted bail without knowing when a trial will be conducted. And by his lawyers own words, he was not going to get a fair trial anyway. If a Japanese citizen would be treated like that in a foreign country and then decide to escape his bail, you would be saying use that's totally right.

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I watched the whole presentation. He obliterated all the charges against him, and this whole case. He strike me as a very smart man. 

> I also watched the whole presentation and agree, I feel Ghosn showed his intelligence, leadership and even respect for Japan. He is a true leader, and will make an excellent university professor. He deserves the respect the world gave him yesterday.

Don't forget, the prosecutors interrogated him for over 8 hours a day for over a year and he didn't give in to a forced confession. I think many would've been broken after a week, or even a month. God, I hope some prosecutors heads roll.

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Hideously embarrassing for Japan. Makes them look like an Asian country.

Comment of the year. Beautifully put.

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Kazumichi is completely right. Two main take-aways are:

Ghosn is doing what no one else has been able to do before — challenge the Japanese justice system and become a major force of change against Japan’s current prosecutor driven process. If he succeeds in making an impact, this will surely be Carlos Ghosn’s great second act (first to transform Nissan, second to transform Japan itself).

However, the effectiveness of Ghosn as a change agent will depend largely on the second take-away: What I’m hearing is that Ghosn presentation was light on evidence against the prosecutors’ allegations. I believe this was one objective Ghosn wanted accomplish. And this is definitely something many (including union members at Renault) were eagerly looking to hear. I’m sure this is the first of many presentations and interviews Ghosn will have, each of which will be opportunities to make his case. So we should all be patient and see how this end-game unfolds.

But make no mistake about it, both Japan and Ghosn are now on trial in the court of public opinion.

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daito_hk

Excellent post! You couldn’t have say it better.

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Still presenting himself as a victim, a hero, a fighter against the unjust.

Ah, the rich and shameless. How we doff our caps at them, while they laugh at us.

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Officially, there is presumption of innocence. But even if the suspect is not guilty, there is an advantage for them to admit to the crime. This is the most evil effect of Japan's hostage justice system.

After the first 23 days of detention, the ordeal is not necessarily over. Prosecutors are permitted to re-arrest a suspect on a slightly different accusation, with approval from the courts. The clock is then reset and another 20 days of interrogation begin.

This is what happened to Carlos Ghosn, twice. In all, he was held in interrogation for 53 days before being formally indicted.

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Point-by-point rebuttal of charges

This was excellent. The government and Nissan are going to have a hard time coming up with their own counter-arguments and may not even try. Notice how the prosecutors didn't specifically address ANY of what he said because they would probably lose. They already look stupid and hopefully Japanese people will look into it themselves and decide. For example, look at how many people signed off on the spending - he obviously couldn't have done it himself anyway and nobody has even suggested that actually! It is a typical approach to Japanese misinformation: not lying, but omitting key pieces of information that distort the true picture.

He also reminded the world how what he is accused of misspending pales in comparison to what Nissan have spent to put together a pathetic 'task force' to deal with - ~$20mln vs $200mln!

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Guys, don't take me wrong, I like him. However I find it difficult to see him proven totally innocent.

What happen in Japan usually when they try to indict you they'll give you multiple charge. That's including misdemeanor. Even when they lost with main charges they'll use light charge against you but they'll publicly say that you are guilty no matter what.

Well any head of company in Japan if you look in detail, many of them will at least can get charge that violate labor law for sure.

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Cute characters: Tatemae

Xenophobia, ultra-nationalism and a lot of other things I'd get in trouble for mentioning: Honne

This is someone who's lived in Japan for nearly 20 years, not a hater, but there's definitely room for improvement.

Absolutely. More people should now about the honne.

What I find refreshing, however, is the recent absence of apologist. About 10 years ago, there was a small cadre of them, mostly naturalized Japanese, who would defend all things absurd Japan, with fanatical fervor. Zealots. Where are they now I wonder?

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He was re-arrested on new charges, not for organising a conference. Prosecutors adding new charges in Japan is not unusual either

The timing can not be just because coincidence, like her wife new arrest warrant just a day before his news conference.

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Ghosn denies wrongdoing; says his arrest in Japan a conspiracy

It is.

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TheLongTermerToday  10:06 am JST

Cute characters: Tatemae

Xenophobia, ultra-nationalism and a lot of other things I'd get in trouble for mentioning: Honne

This is someone who's lived in Japan for nearly 20 years, not a hater, but there's definitely room for improvement.

Absolutely. More people should now about the honne.

What I find refreshing, however, is the recent absence of apologist. About 10 years ago, there was a small cadre of them, mostly naturalized Japanese, who would defend all things absurd Japan, with fanatical fervor. Zealots. Where are they now I wonder?

Good question,I’m sure these gentlemen are doing a nice gambare to their government and trying to spread “wisdom” to the local mass.

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Ghosn is a hero for his courage, clarity and intelligent actions and words. He doesn't hate the Japanese people, at all. In fact, one gets a sense of his love for Japan, and only despises a justice system that is egregious in its unfair and often cruel ways. A justice system that brands and treats a person as guilty before trial, with pretty much torturous attitudes should not exist, in what is a very modern country in many ways.

The image of Japan of omotenashi, which means to wholeheartedly look after guests, and is thought of as a microcosm of Japan, representing the Japanese mindset of hospitality centering around care rather than expectation gets completely lost in the justice system. In fact, just the opposite. An accused, before a fair trial, is treated inhumanely but even more so, fairness and decency rights are taken away. It becomes a nonsensical guilt sham.

When what Mr. Ghosn experienced happens, Japan shows its hypocritical side, and would be better off to admit her wrong doings. An accused is not guilty before a fair trial, and the 99%+ conviction rate in no way can possibly be fair, but they rely on POV of their omotenashi side and say, 'see, we are the most hospitable humans on earth, how can our reasoning and actions be wrong?' The hypocrisy is shameful.

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Agree with all the Ghosn fans and anti Japan supporters. Ghosn is 100% innocent as proven by this press conference, this is all the evidence we need. Never in a civilized country would a famous, rich and successful CEO be charged with any crime, only in Japan do they go after innocent people like this.

Even if he is found guilty by France or anyone else, it's all a fabrication by Japan. Absolutely shameful by Japan and the whole world knows the truth now

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He was never allowed to organize a press conference....+ rant...

You can say it over and over, it doesn't mean it becomes fact. He had a conference, with his lawyers present, he can have as much conferences as he likes as long as it doesn't prejudice his case.

Read the rest of your post...doesn't change anything

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Ghosn is doing what no one else has been able to do before — challenge the Japanese justice system and become a major force of change

Funniest thing I've read this year, ROTFL...BAWAWAWAHAHA....challenge the system whikst hidling in a box....

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@Osaka_Doug

 Japan does need to train the population to analyze if it is going to reinvent itself. Ghosn has given Japan a great gift, and I hope the population that understands starts to take more leadership to educate others.

Well-stated.

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You can say it over and over, it doesn't mean it becomes fact. He had a conference, with his lawyers present, he can have as much conferences as he likes as long as it doesn't prejudice his case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GVICS7kVH8

He did that video of fear that he won't be able to do a press conference he planned on April 11th 2019. He was indeed arrested again to prevent him to do that conference. So now what are you going to say?

Read the rest of your post...doesn't change anything

Yeah because you can't answer to it..

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If he succeeds in making an impact, this will surely be Carlos Ghosn’s great second act (first to transform Nissan, second to transform Japan itself).

History is in the making as these events develop. Ghosn will be in the materials used in Japanese Studies of universities of the world. just not in the textbooks of Japan.

The persecutors might have gotten off easy. There would have been Free Ghosn posters at the Olympics.

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Funniest thing I've read this year, ROTFL...BAWAWAWAHAHA....challenge the system whikst hidling in a box...

The very fact that both the Prosecutors and MoJ stayed up to give rushed statements in the middle of the night shows how much Ghosn is rattling the system and also how they are reacting mostly to their loss of face. Reactions such as your also point to the real issue of how much the egg hurts.

I’m sure this story isn’t over yet and they’re be plenty more of the egg flying around. We can only hope it brings some positive change!

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No one can trust the Japanese legal system now.

Like anyone could before this? If anyone thought so, they really haven't been paying attention!

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I hope all the Japanese media outlets cover the facts as they continue to be presented and don’t decide to focus on appearances and emotions as I fear they will.

It would be too easy to paint Ghosn as someone who was rambling, with a quirky personality, an angry, unstable fugitive.

What I saw was a highly intelligent man, seemlessly conversing in 5 languages, presenting his side of the story - which he has thus far been prevented from doing.

Yes he absconded, and that is clearly wrong - but please Japanese media listen to the reasons he’s giving for feeling that was his only option.

Finally I have to make a comment about the Japanese journalist representing Tokyo TV. What a great summary of Japan’s international standing that the journalist sent to Lebanon on behalf of Tokyo TV to cover this huge news story could barely string an English sentence together. His question was embarrassing in its simplicity as well as its accuracy.

Hopefully this case will force many areas of Japan into the 21st century.

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Still think he will end up regretting this.

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He was indeed arrested again to prevent him to do that conference

you can keep saying it...still doesn't make it fact. Let mexsay it slowly...he...was...re-arrested...for...new...offence/s...his...lawyer...whinged...about...it...and...ask...prosecutors...to...press...all...charges...asap...NOT...rely...on...new...charges...to...detain...him.

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Please don't "say" it slowly. It's hard to read. Please type your comments normally.

Ghosn received his high education in France - a country that produced Rousseau and Montesquieu. Japan's Justice System has a lot more to learn from the west in regard to human rights. However, I wish crimes in Japan will not increase by that. It was the Japanese government which opposed Nissan taken over by Renault. I am glad it did not happen. Ghosn is a victim in that sense.

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Still think he will end up regretting this.

without a bounty, he is as good as a freeman in Lebanon. My guess, he is sunning himself at the Riviera Resort sipping cocktails on a sun lounge overlooking the beach.

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no evidence shown by the prosecutor however the TV Japanese media charged and damaged Carlos Ghosn honor from the beginning.(illegal according to the law)

showing how the Japanese media are a tool in the wrong hand , nothing objective. just hostage Justice.

even Japanese lawyers know that trial are not fair! they cooperate with the system.

We are all Ghosn!!!!

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“But in recent days French officials have hardened their stance, calling Ghosn a "defendant like any other" and saying he should face justice in a court of law.”

If he is truly innocent and really paid his taxes, then what is he afraid of. To plot what he did is crooked in the first place.

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you can keep saying it...still doesn't make it fact. Let mexsay it slowly...he...was...re-arrested...for...new...offence/s...his...lawyer...whinged...about...it...and...ask...prosecutors...to...press...all...charges...asap...NOT...rely...on...new...charges...to...detain...him.

You claimed that he had a press conference with his layer which was flat wrong. I have proven it by providing you a fact.

Of course the prosecutors claimed that it was for new charges. But arresting someone with sudden new charges after he just said that he will organize a press conference, charges that they magically did not have hours before he announced the conference, is beyond a coincidence. But at this point I am not expecting you to be able to intellectually understand that.

In fact here the facts. On the day (April 3 2019) before he got arrested again, Ghosn opened his official Twitter account and tweeted in both English and Japanese:"I'm getting ready to tell the truth about what's happening. Press conference on Thursday, April 11." He was arrested on early morning of April 4 2019! They could have indicted him again without arrest if they believed they can build a case by gathering evidence. There was no legal reason for the arrest beside stopping him to do his press conference, which again you claimed he had. You were flat wrong.

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If he is truly innocent and really paid his taxes, then what is he afraid of. 

The allegations against him have nothing to do with taxing whatsoever. Just nothing. He was never accused in Japan for tax evasion. So why don't you make the effort to inform yourself before making up a biased opinion?

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I have been in Japan for 14 years, with zero issues with the Japanese justice system... all people here that hates it so much, what did you do?

...my guess is that Ghosn hates to be accused for a crime he did, which he knows other did too and got away with, he also hints to some arrogant privileged idea that because he did some good things in Japan everyone should ignore the bad things...

Most likely Ghosn is as guilty as most of the 1%+ people.

If you believe there is a country with a perfect and just justice system without any bias, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed, but Japan is not much worse than most others (US and UK included)... a good advice in life, do not break the law and behave like a rude obnoxious idiot anywhere in the world and things most likely work out fine! Or accept that when you do the crime you might have to do the time, no point in complaining afterward.

I think Japanese justice system can be highly improved in many aspects, though UN with members like Saudi Arabia and Iran, calling it medieval is a joke. And none of those issues makes Ghosn innocent.

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In the eyes of the west, deny laws and justice isn't wrong.

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N30N0M3NJan. 8  11:21 pm JST

He said there was collusion between Nissan executives, some of whom he named, and government officials whom he would not name.

Why not name the government officials?

So he wouldn't put the Lebanese government in an even more difficult position with the J government, which could jeopardize his welcome there. I turned off when he said he wouldn't name J officials, that would've been the real scoop. The rest of what I saw was not that interesting as it wasn't much different to what had already been assumed.

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He is the "special one"

Never had any trouble, never this or that

But when it happens, (and it will) he will sing a new tune

Always entertaining to watch...)

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I have been in Japan for 14 years, with zero issues with the Japanese justice system... all people here that hates it so much, what did you do?

Again ridiculous argument. I have been living in Japan for 20 years and never had a problem with the legal system. So what? That does not stop me to criticize it and say that it is medieval because anyone including you could find himself trapped in it one day.

..my guess is that Ghosn hates to be accused for a crime he did, which he knows other did too and got away with,

Your guess is not justice. Nothing at this point proves that he is guilty of any crime, absolutely nothing. The only thing that could determine it is if he gets a fair trial, which was never going to happen.

Most likely Ghosn is as guilty as most of the 1%+ people.

What does it even mean? Again who are you to decide whether he is guilty or not?

If you believe there is a country with a perfect and just justice system without any bias, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed

That's not the point. Again the discussion is not about perfectness of a justice system, the discussion is about whether it respects the right of the defense and basic human rights. Japanese system does not, and this has been called out by numerous organizations worldwide and locals like the Japan Federation of Bar Associations and also by the  Japanese Legal Professionals.

In fact the Japanese "hostage justice" system uses detention beyond its original purpose of securing suspects appearance in court and violates the human rights guaranteed by the Constitution of Japan, including physical freedom, the right to remain silent, and the right to a fair trial.

but Japan is not much worse than most others (US and UK included)...

Prove it, because saying it without clear argumentation is utterly useless.

a good advice in life, do not break the law and behave like a rude obnoxious idiot anywhere in the world and things most likely work out fine! Or accept that when you do the crime you might have to do the time, no point in complaining afterward.

This is just naive and totally disconnected from the reality given the numerous documented cases in Japan of forced confession resulting in people being put in jail for decades. You would know that if you would put sometimes your head outside of your Japan apologism.

I think Japanese justice system can be highly improved in many aspects, though UN with members like Saudi Arabia and Iran, calling it medieval is a joke.

It is medieval, period. What is a joke is you trying to defend it. Again this is well documented so feel free to inform yourself a little.

And none of those issues makes Ghosn innocent.

They don't make him guilty either so please stop to act as you were a judge.

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Also, it's interesting that your message pretty much boils down to "Love It Or Leave It" when it comes to Japan.

No, that was Ghosn thinking... I stay and take the fight when needed, improve where I can, speak out when I feel for it and push my Japanese friends to vote, and vote smart.

I just think people should not get surprised when ending up in collision with the justice system after breaking the law, and that the justice system most likely win, when you actually broke the law (no matter if you like the law or not), and that the justice system will not be too kind and friendly towards you if you are convicted... Same everywhere.

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It had been reported that Ghosn would prove his oust from Nissan was a coup-d'etat conspired by his rivals in the company in collusion with some sector of  the government, alluding he would reveal the names of persons involved in this plot. He named Hiroto Saikawa, former Nissan CEO, and Masakazu Toyoda, an outside director, among others, as persons directly involved in this inside job to oust him.

But he refrained from naming government officials, saying he would do so to honor the Lebanese government.

What does this mean? It means the Japanese government was deeply involved in this brouhaha also.

But he didn’t show any evidence to prove what he said. Does this exonerate him from his illegal exit from the country? His defense lawyers in Japan said they were confident to prove his complete innocence in court, but all came to nothing now that he illegally escaped.

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My message to the Japanese and the French, the Nisan and the Renault employers and Unions; You should be ashamed! You all ate out of this guys hands, he took your business out of the mud and made them strong and fed you for 17 years he took much lesser remuneration than his equals in the industry and now instead of thank you, you are biting the hands that fed you. SHAME! SHAME!

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Very interesting to see how most people are suddenly Ghosn supporters. Japanese laws needs updating and some extreme overhaul, but that doesn't change the alleged crimes Ghosn has committed.

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In fact the Japanese "hostage justice" system uses detention beyond its original purpose of securing suspects

What about Canada's "hostage justice" system? Why aren't you complaining about how the Huawei CFO Meng is being detained for 2 years?

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Not sure how so many came to the conslusion that this was a victory for ghosn. No government or anyone prominent is convinced yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/08/business/carlos-ghosn-beirut.html

NYtimes has a much better article on it

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@suomitheway

What about Canada's "hostage justice" system? Why aren't you complaining about how the Huawei CFO Meng is being detained for 2 years?

Meng was actually granted bail and she's actually enjoying some freedoms that Ghosn would have NEVER been granted with in Japan by their system. Your comparison failed miserably.

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@HBJ Probably NHK.

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I watched the entire thing, and the questions from the Japanese reporters were assanine at best. It was obvious they judged him already. They were more concerned about whether he felt remorse for absconding from Japan. And of course, officials here continue to lambast him. It's pathetic.

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"He is the their guest. The Lebanese government has welcomed him, providing him security so he cannot go against their advice that's the reason why he didn't drop those names".

Makes sense. He can use those names as a bargaining chip against extradition.

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" His defense lawyers in Japan said they were confident to prove his complete innocence in court, but all came to nothing now that he illegally escaped."

Read previous info. A 99 percent conviction rate, and the right of prosecutors to appeal results. Don't forget Ghosn takes medication, he may have a limited number of years left. With the possibility of being in Japan for years, and denied contact with his wife for that time, who could blame his decision?

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Meng was actually granted bail and she's actually enjoying some freedoms that Ghosn would have NEVER been granted with in Japan by their system.

Ghosn was granted bail too and he was living in his luxury penthouse in Tokyo. He couldn't contact his wife but in retrospect that was a wise decision by the prosecutors since she orchestrated his escape.

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@Belrick - They summed up the whole Japanese media industry - unable or unwilling to ask difficult probing questions, and approaching a subject from a predetermined viewpoint.

It really was embarrassing, especially juxtaposed to the dozens of internationally minded, multilingual journalists also in the room.

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If you believe there is a country with a perfect and just justice system without any bias, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed

Btw, when a person goes this route, it is a sign of desperation and defeat. Imagine if the response to Ghosn being guilty was "so what? what country does not have guilty CEOs?" You are admitting he is guilty.

If you believe there is a country with a perfect and just justice system without any bias, you are not the sharpest tool in the shed

It's not only imperfect, it is inhumane. What advanced democratic country has such a system? This is not a 3rd world country.

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Very interesting to see how most people are suddenly Ghosn supporters. Japanese laws needs updating and some extreme overhaul, but that doesn't change the alleged crimes Ghosn has committed.

You're assuming that someone who is guilty cannot be supported. Guilty or innocent is besides the point.

The very Japanese laws that need updating that you raise is being brought about by this case, a reason for many to support. The people here support what you see as the necessary change.

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Sorry. I'll try this again.

Ghosn was granted bail too and he was living in his luxury penthouse in Tokyo. He couldn't contact his wife but in retrospect that was a wise decision by the prosecutors since she orchestrated his escape.

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"Ghosn was granted bail too and he was living in his luxury penthouse in Tokyo. He couldn't contact his wife but in retrospect that was a wise decision by the prosecutors since she orchestrated his escape."

Proof? Ghosn is a resourceful man, and speaks 4 languages. That news conference was a tour de force

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Finally I have to make a comment about the Japanese journalist representing Tokyo TV. What a great summary of Japan’s international standing that the journalist sent to Lebanon on behalf of Tokyo TV to cover this huge news story could barely string an English sentence together. His question was embarrassing in its simplicity as well as its accuracy.

Hopefully this case will force many areas of Japan into the 21st century.

He invited only few Japanese media to his press conference, the rest of Japanese media were outside. He always wanted fair trial from court and fair coverage from media.

Most Japanese media usually just follow govt version for Ghosn story , which one sided, that's what happened most of the time.

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"He invited only few Japanese media to his press conference, the rest of Japanese media were outside."

The Japanese journalists who were sent to Beirut were likely handpicked. It shouldn't have been too much trouble to select only those who spoke English. Ghosn handled questions in English, French, Arabic and Portuguese.

As an individual I don't like him much, but how he handled the q and a session was brilliant.

1 ( +3 / -2 )

He says that embezzlement is legal in the United States, is that true?

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Joe Yan

Instead of insulting others intelligence, have you read the article you refer to.

It is neutral, with no standpoint, with even some lacks (Goshn spoke Portuguese too).

Open your eyes about how corrupt the Japanese legal system is : coincidences, guilty until proven innocent, media leak, family attack, etc.

What do you reply to those facts please ?

I am not the one asking Goshn or anyone to say he is guilty because I don't have proof.

If prosecutors had evidence in hands (and quite easy for any modern country to assess), international lawyers would say so. It is not the case until now.

Thanks Japan today for allowing debate of ideas.

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What about Canada's "hostage justice" system? Why aren't you complaining about how the Huawei CFO Meng is being detained for 2 years?

Excuse me but you do it by purpose? We are talking about the Ghosn case here and I would be happy to talk about the Meng's case if the opportunity comes. In a nutshell, I do believe that her case is extremely troubling and the intervention of governments into the judicial system is a concern that we should all look at. Since her arrest is apparently linked to the tensions between US and China concerning Huawei. But your argument that seems to say that if they do similar things elsewhere so scree up Ghosn is of course ridiculous.

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You can be sure the legal system here has mistreated Ghosn and his rights as we from the west would understand them, and you can also be sure that ghosn is not squeeky clean as he would try to have you think he is.

But you can also be sure there are others who also need to be called up to front the system as there are many others involved in the misdeeds done at Nissan but managed to sneek on by or duck or dodge the wraith of saikawa his cronies and the prosecutors.

What brought all this about is pure unadulterated GREED, greed on the part of ghosn, that is his downfall and the down fall of Nissan.

-6 ( +2 / -8 )

What brought all this about is pure unadulterated GREED, greed on the part of ghosn, that is his downfall and the down fall of Nissan.

What greed and what does it have to do with this? Not sure what you are arguing here.

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@Christopher Glen

The Japanese journalists who were sent to Beirut were likely handpicked. It shouldn't have been too much trouble to select only those who spoke English. Ghosn handled questions in English, French, Arabic and Portuguese.

Watch that press conference video and you can find that Ghosn said why he give invitation particularly to those Japanese media outlet instead others that were outside at that time.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

"Watch that press conference video and you can find that Ghosn said why he give invitation particularly to those Japanese media outlet instead others that were outside at that time."

Doesn't excuse the limited English of those who came to Beirut, for one of the biggest press conferences of the 21st century.

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Jesus, it's painful listening to the Japanese journalist's poor English.

agreed if your going to put your argument forward then at least have a good command of the language your arguing in, meanwhile Ghosn replies to questions in 4 languages. sort of makes one party look amateurish doesn't it.

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What brought all this about is pure unadulterated GREED, greed on the part of ghosn, that is his downfall and the down fall of Nissan.

firstly his unadulterated greed is all speculation hasnt been convicted of anything yet, Ghosn pay was similar if not less that what the normal CEO of a big international company pay , yes its fair to call it greed but if you dont pay what theses big companies/ stock holders think is fair they'll just go someplace else

last I checked the Nissan stock price crash happened after Ghosn was arrested, sort of tells you what the markets think of Nissan now, back to 1998

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Jonathan PrinToday  02:16 pm JST

Not sure why you came to the conclusion that I am some kind of supporter of Japanese justice system. Just to let you know, I believe it needs updating and complete overhaul. But this has nothing to do with Ghosn being a criminal or not.

But looking at what we know, from alleged shady dealings in Renault AND Nissan, even french government not taking side and (already settled) indictment from SEC in the United States, its quite reasonable to say he is probably guilty. He is just blasting the flawed Japanese system (which I DO believe is extremely flaw and inhumane) to play victim and hide his crimes.

Interesting interview with former vice chairman of General motors who knows Ghosn personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyrtLdC5d0Y

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He named former Nissan CEO Hiroto Saikawa, Masakazu Toyoda, an independent director at Nissan and a special adviser to the Japanese cabinet; Nissan’s ex-auditor Hidetoshi Imazu; and the car company's former executive vice president Hitoshi Kawaguchi as the main architects of his downfall.Carlos statement is perfectly true. i am not a racist, but the above kind of people are very common in japan and they always have excuses and waste time for their selfish personal interests. Take saikawa, for example, he will never be as famous as carlos, therefore he is jealous and as we all know, saikawa was travelling to visit renault immediately after Carlos arrests, to be the next famous japanese , just because he speaks french and english. he is really mean and vain and selfish,a egoist with inferior complex. he lies and does anything just to his own gain. his greed ???. My only question is why is he still free on the streets of japan ???. I am sure every good japanese that have normal common sense, will not tolerate such unfair standards. If i was his family or children, I rather he goes to jail and serve his time. Balant bad example for even lowest ..................................

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But looking at what we know, from alleged shady dealings in Renault AND Nissan, even french government not taking side and (already settled) indictment from SEC in the United States, its quite reasonable to say he is probably guilty

He didn't admit guilt when he settled with the SEC though, and neither did Nissan.

In an administrative proceeding, the Commission charged Nissan with violating the anti-fraud provisions of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.  Nissan settled the charges, agreeing to pay a $15 million civil penalty and to cease and desist from committing or causing violations of the anti-fraud provisions. The SEC's complaint filed in district court charges Ghosn with violating anti-fraud provisions of the securities laws and Kelly with aiding and abetting Ghosn's and Nissan's violations. To settle the charges, Ghosn and Kelly agreed to be permanently enjoined from violating or aiding and abetting violations of the anti-fraud provisions. Ghosn also agreed to a $1 million civil penalty and a 10-year officer and director bar. Kelly agreed to a $100,000 penalty, a five-year officer and director bar and a five-year suspension from practicing or appearing before the Commission as an attorney. Nissan, Ghosn, and Kelly settled without admitting or denying the SEC's allegations and findings.

https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2019-183

What is notable is that the SEC found Nissan to be even more responsible than Ghosn if you take into consideration the difference in the penalties! Compare that to Japan where Nissan is also being charged but they are blaming Ghosn for everything. This was another point mentioned in the press conference. Ghosn actually said Nissan admitted it was guilty which is a little different but he was right to highlight the contradictory behaviour. It is like Nissan is playing the court of public opinion more than a court of law

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With all criminal cases considered,

the rate of non-prosecution is generally high in Japan. 

When a person is prosecuted with respect to a criminal case, the conviction rate becomes 99-percent, but In Japan, the non-prosecution rate is also high.

In Japan, however, the rate of non-indictment is also high. Japanese Prosecutors dismiss 30 to 40% of criminal cases. 

According to the 2016 white paper on crime, The rate of non-prosecution in Japan is as fellows. 

Arson 62.7% 

Home break-in 58.3% 

Counterfeit currency 90.9% 

Counterfeit documents 56.3% 

Payment card related 16.8% 

Public indecency 42.7% 

Distribution of obscene materials, etc. 28.0% 

Forcible indecency 59.9% 

Rape 63.9% 

Gambling 44.9% 

Bribery 11.3% 

Murder 69.2%

The Japanese prosecutors are highly intelligent, and they are genuinely familiar with Japanese law. They won't indict them unless they are sure Winning the case. Western media ignores

Japan’s non-prosecution rate.

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In Japan, however, the rate of non-indictment is also high. Japanese Prosecutors dismiss 30 to 40% of criminal cases. 

Even when they dismiss for those cases, there are people being involved in those cases. Their lives will be never be same again, it can be more than two days up months until finally they got dismissed. By that time they'll lost their jobs have financial debt since they won't get any salary during that time while need to pay lawyer.

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Ghosn absolutely did the right thing. It's about time Japan's legal system be exposed for what it is. The international community must be made aware of their inhumane and corrupted system.

Japanese whom have never been arrested are unaware of how the criminal justice system in Japan works. It's unfair on so many levels and deserves the right to be scrutinized.

The Japanese Ministry of Justice got suckerpunched on this one and there's nothing they can do about now.

Ghosn cannot be extradited back to Japan. Basically, he'll walk away from this one unscathed.

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According to the 2016 white paper on crime, The rate of non-prosecution in Japan is as fellows

Link please. Statistics etc are not facts without evidence.

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What is notable is that the SEC found Nissan to be even more responsible than Ghosn if you take into consideration the difference in the penalties! 

First : Faults of Nissan under Ghosn rule were Ghosn's responsibility. They held him responsible as a CEO that failed to control his company and also as exec that cheated a company. Incompetent + dishonest.

Second : the penalty for Ghosn is much more severe than for Nissan. The company feared losing authorization to be listed in US stocks, and they escaped that ban. Ghosn and Kelly got years of ban of activity. It's likely that after their antics were exposed, their careers in the States were going nowhere anyway, that costs them nothing. But it's a badge of dishonor for a businessman in the US. I don't know for them, but personnally I'd be more hurt by such a shaming ban than by a fine or maybe a stint in jail.

Ghosn actually said Nissan admitted it was guilty which is a little different but he was right to highlight the contradictory behaviour. 

Nissan did nothing contradictory. It's just that announcement of Ghosn's hidden benefits affected Nissan differently in 2 countries.

In Japan, what Nissan owed was recalculated by tax office. It was considered that sums previously accounted non-taxable business expenses were presents to the person of Mr Ghosn, and thus taxable for Nissan. Nissan had to pay overdue tax plus fine. In such a situation, you don't plead 'guilty'/'non guilty', for it's not a trial. As you know, with taxes, you always end up putting your hanko and agree.

In the US, Nissan faced/face a class action by investors... It was considered (by investors) that sums previously accounted as business expenses were "stolen" from the investors, reducing their dividends and the value of stock. There, Nissan goes beyond "non guilty" pleading, they try any settlement possible to avoid the class action.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/25/business/nissan-ghosn-lawsuits.html

That's also what Ghosn means when he says Nissan lost money to sue him. Sure, they do, but that does not make him innocent at all. On the contrary.

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What nissan did is inhuman and low of lowest. nissan just put 2 new words on the world dictionary, heartless and utterly meaningless.lowest of lowest.

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WobotToday  05:33 pm JST

According to the 2016 white paper on crime, The rate of non-prosecution in Japan is as fellows

Link please. Statistics etc are not facts without evidence.

You read and write Japanese, not to mention being able to search for THIS FACT by yourself.

Don't pretend as if you don't know it.

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If he was innocent he would have stayed to face justice.

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He was put in jail for three months and got a bail that restricted considerably his freedom since he was not allowed to use his private phone, computer and see his family. Saikawa who admitted his financial misconduct got nothing.

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Mark Twain

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If Japan really wants to take Ghosn to court, they gonna have to settle by taking him to court in either Lebanon, France, or Brazil's court

That's Japan's only chance

If Japan has the evidence strong enough to convict Ghosn, then it should not matter whether that court is in Lebanon, France, or Brazil

Ghosn has already said he doesn't mind going to court as long as it's in one of the countries he's a citizen of (Lebanon, France, Brazil)

If Japan wants to fight him there, Ghosn is not going to run away this time because otherwise that would be the last nail on the coffin of his innocence

The Japanese prosecutors are highly intelligent, and they are genuinely familiar with Japanese law. They won't indict them unless they are sure Winning the case. Western media ignores

Japan’s non-prosecution rate.

But in the meantime, the suspect has already spent serious time imprisoned in a cell. It might as well as already been convicted by serving serious time

Detention should not be too lengthy or indefinite. In many countries, authorities can only detain ya for a few days. If they want to detain ya for longer, they need to formally file charges that necessitate why the continued detention. Otherwise, they gotta let ya out Only once they formally file charges, that they can re-arrest ya.

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If Japan really wants to take Ghosn to court, they gonna have to settle by taking him to court in either Lebanon, France, or Brazil's court.

The Lebanese government have banned Ghosn and his wife from leaving the country. Their future movements will become very limited.

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If he was innocent he would have stayed to face justice.

If you were innocent and knew you were going to be sentenced to prison anyway and you had a good chance to escape, guaranteed you'd take it.

The Lebanese government have banned Ghosn and his wife from leaving the country

Pretty sure that's not a big problem for them, compared to the problem of being sentenced to a Japanese prison. For something he may not even have done.

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Please stick it to them some more, Carlos! All these damn lemmings in this country won't really learn anything but it is sure making me feel marvelous.

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He's been making the rounds on the U.S. and international media. This is what the J-Gov didn't want https://youtu.be/bcbBvRirX3g

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He was probably funding terrorists and escaped before Tokyo found the evidence. Regardless, he has a jail sentence waiting. Nobody serious in business wants him. Bye Carlos...

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Does he have the right to select the most favorable court of law worldwide which he considers do him justice, criticizing any judicial system that accuses him of embezzling lots of money?  In Japan, certainly persons who are ‘indicted’ are likely to be found guilty (so called 99% conviction rate). However, persons who are ‘arrested’ will be found guilty at the conviction rate of 50% (denominator of which is total number of arrested persons). This percentage is similar to that in U.S. and other civilized countries. If there are 100 persons who are arrested. 20 persons can walk on the street immediately and “30 persons will be indicted but found not guilty”, and remaining 50 persons will be found guilty, while in Japan these 30 persons for which sufficient evidence is not secured will never face a criminal trial because these 30 persons are already ‘presumed innocent’ before trial. The 99% conviction rate indicates that prosecutors have strong evidence and are confident when indicting them. Mr. Ghosn faced this reality and selected to illegally leave Japan without permission, with new conclusive evidence (email) having been available to the prosecutors just before leaving.

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We can all agree on the wrongs of the Japanese judicial system

we shouldn't forget that the US imprisons 1% of its population, that the US and UK system conspired to imprison Julian Assange and there is no one in the Western leaders to condemn that.

I prefer to support a hero defending our liberties than a white collar criminal

What is astonishing is Mr Ghosn's total lack of repentance for his misdeeds in his big show with the press

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From what I see, it looks like about 2/3 of JT readers are devout Ghosn supporters so nothing you can say will change their minds.

Reminds me a little of FOX news...

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Does he have the right to select the most favorable court of law worldwide which he considers do him justice, criticizing any judicial system that accuses him of embezzling lots of money? In Japan, certainly persons who are ‘indicted’ are likely to be found guilty (so called 99% conviction rate). However, persons who are ‘arrested’ will be found guilty at the conviction rate of 50% (denominator of which is total number of arrested persons). This percentage is similar to that in U.S. and other civilized countries. If there are 100 persons who are arrested. 20 persons can walk on the street immediately and “30 persons will be indicted but found not guilty”, and remaining 50 persons will be found guilty, while in Japan these 30 persons for which sufficient evidence is not secured will never face a criminal trial because these 30 persons are already ‘presumed innocent’ before trial. The 99% conviction rate indicates that prosecutors have strong evidence and are confident when indicting them. Mr. Ghosn faced this reality and selected to illegally leave Japan without permission, with new conclusive evidence (email) having been available to the prosecutors just before leaving.

Although I agree the 99% conviction rate is overplayed, it isn't so black and white for Mr. Ghosn. It is quite clear there was a conspiracy at Nissan to have him arrested, and the prosecutors were always going to go through with this case once they got knee-deep into it. With Nissan (and possibly government officials) on their side, they have (had) a lot going for them. Also, after Ghosn's detention already made international news, they surely wouldn't want to come out and admit he was innocent all along.

From what I see, it looks like about 2/3 of JT readers are devout Ghosn supporters so nothing you can say will change their minds.

I would say more than 2/3 are in favor of Ghosn. The opinions on JT are usually split down the middle, so this is pretty telling on how shambolic his arrest has been.

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