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Vile and disgusting behaviour if it’s true.

-6 ( +25 / -31 )

Yes disgusting if true.

And btw not advisable to enter a hotel room with three men you barely know.

8 ( +47 / -39 )

Sound and smells like a Set Up!! arranging to meet, going out on a date, eating and drinking in a group till 4:30am then call the police and allege-sex-assault!???

-17 ( +24 / -41 )

Don't go to a love hotel with men if you don't want to have sex. Really goes without saying.

Set up

-5 ( +34 / -39 )

SpeedToday  08:21 am JST

Don't go to a love hotel with men if you don't want to have sex. Really goes without saying.

Set up

Because men are like animals and have no control over their actions WTF?!

Victim blaming is so ugly, and if it were my daughter, I would throttle people with this attitude first before the perpetrators because it's this attitude that promotes this sexual aggression and victim blaimg culture.

-14 ( +38 / -52 )

These Andrew Tate wannabes, who dismiss sexual assault reports and accuse victims of lying, have a very disturbing perspective on women.

In Japan, false sexual assault claims are estimated to be around 2-5% of total cases, while over 97% of women who are assaulted never report it.

Reflect on that if you're capable.

-13 ( +42 / -55 )

ctim blaming is so ugly, and if it were my daughter, I would throttle people with this attitude first before the perpetrators because it's this attitude that promotes this sexual aggression and victim blaimg culture.

If it was my daughter I would be ashamed that she would go to a love hotel with three guys.

-19 ( +16 / -35 )

LegrandeToday  08:06 am JST

Yes disgusting if true.

And btw not advisable to enter a hotel room with three men you barely know.

News Flash: Sexual assault is always the perpetrator's fault, just like any other crime.

It's like blaming a murder victim for being in a particular place, implying it's their fault they got murdered.

The focus should be on the perpetrators' actions, not the victims' decisions.

-8 ( +31 / -39 )

METATTOKYOToday  09:06 am JST

LegrandeToday  08:06 am JST

Yes disgusting if true.

And btw not advisable to enter a hotel room with three men you barely know.

News Flash: Sexual assault is always the perpetrator's fault, just like any other crime.

It's like blaming a murder victim for being in a particular place, implying it's their fault they got murdered.

The focus should be on the perpetrators' actions, not the victims' decisions.

-3 ( +34 / -37 )

Caroti

I am sorry but do you know what a love hotel is?

The woman wasn't going there to play some late night uno.

I would of course be furious at the creeps who did this, but also ashamed as a parent that I've brought up a daughter who thinks it's OK to go to a love hotel with three guys.

If it was a private residence, I would be fully on the girls side

-8 ( +23 / -31 )

"...at a Tokyo hotel." Where is it determined to be a 'love hotel'? Are all the hotels in Bunkyo Ward love hotels?

-8 ( +10 / -18 )

carpslidyToday  09:32 am JST

Caroti

I am sorry but do you know what a love hotel is?

The woman wasn't going there to play some late night uno.

I would of course be furious at the creeps who did this, but also ashamed as a parent that I've brought up a daughter who thinks it's OK to go to a love hotel with three guys.

If it was a private residence, I would be fully on the girls side

If you do have children, I hope you have taught them about consent.

Consent is key no matter where you are, and no one deserves to be assaulted.

It doesn't matter where someone is; consent is always essential, and no one deserves to be assaulted.

If a woman goes to a love hotel she is not obligated to have sex with the person she went with. I hope you have not treatred women in that way, have you?

A woman has a right to go wherever she wants and do whatever she wants or DOES NOT WANT to do.

As parents, we should guide our kids to make safe choices, but it's also important to support them if something happens. Instead of blaming victims, we should focus on holding the perpetrators accountable and standing by the survivors.

As parents, we can guide our kids to make safe choices but need to support them if they become victims. Let's focus on holding the perpetrators accountable and being there for the survivors.

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Three of them arrested sounds like group date rape.

3 on 1 massively raises the bar on the level of active consent required. Way more than 1 on 1 sex.

1 ( +10 / -9 )

> kohakuebisuToday  09:59 am JST

Three of them arrested sounds like group date rape.

3 on 1 massively raises the bar on the level of active consent required. Way more than 1 on 1 sex.

3 men and 3 women.

-2 ( +9 / -11 )

kohakuebisuToday  09:59 am JST*

Three of them arrested sounds like group date rape.

3 on 1 massively raises the bar on the level of active consent required. Way more than 1 on 1 sex.

3 men and 3 women.

Well the article states this:

The three men are believed to have eaten with the woman and a friend of hers on Saturday evening before heading to the hotel together. “The woman's friend went home before the incident, they said.”

But actually reading the articles is overrated.

14 ( +17 / -3 )

If proven, I hope Sano never plays professionally again - and struggles to even obtain work on a construction site. The Bundesliga is already gone.

Don't go to a love hotel with men if you don't want to have sex. Really goes without saying.

Set up

> Sound and smells like a Set Up!! arranging to meet, going out on a date, eating and drinking in a group till 4:30am then call the police and allege-sex-assault!???

Some "men" are sadly stuck in the 1950s.

You realise women can and do get sexually assaulted when they are drunk and legally unable to consent, right? The fact that she called the police immediately indicates there was no consent given.

23 ( +29 / -6 )

The woman reported this immediately and they were caught outside the hotel. The police judged that there was enough suspicion to arrest all three.

Its a guess, but mine would be that she liked one of them and was expecting the other two to go away before any intimacy. This is completely normal behaviour, and far more normal than hanging around while your mate gets off with someone and then indulging in behaviour that that police will arrest you for.

-12 ( +12 / -24 )

Victim blaming is wrong and cruel and I feel that there is some going on here. Going to a hotel with someone is not the same as giving consent for sex. Giving consent and then withdrawing it is not wrong either. There is no obligation to go through with it. No means no.

10 ( +28 / -18 )

In fact no one knows

When money is involved, anything can happen.

When does consent start and when does it end ?

-31 ( +0 / -31 )

carpslidyToday 09:32 am JST

I am sorry but do you know what a love hotel is?

It was not a love hotel. It was a hotel that the men were staying in while playing an away game. It's very normal for people to invite friends back to their hotel room. It's not advisable for women to do this on their own, but then again, it's also normal to trust that every man you meet isn't going to rape you.

The woman wasn't going there to play some late night uno.

I counter this with "the guys invited her to the hotel with the express purpose to rape her." Now, who should we lay blame on? A woman who is maybe a bit naive, or men who went out looking for women to rape?

I would of course be furious at the creeps who did this, but also ashamed as a parent that I've brought up a daughter who thinks it's OK to go to a love hotel with three guys.

I hope to god you don't have a daughter, because if anything like this happened to her, your comments on the matter would worsen it by 1,000 times. You are a terrible mother and a bad human being.

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Jonathan PrinToday 12:47 pm JST

In fact no one knows

When money is involved, anything can happen.

When does consent start and when does it end ?

When she says "no."

Yes, it's THAT easy.

I don't see how you could not know that.

Maybe you need to stay away from women.

10 ( +30 / -20 )

Jonathan Prin -

When does consent start and when does it end ?

Creepy sentiment.

The normal, respectful males among us - the majority - know.

24 ( +31 / -7 )

Could be wrong but with Japanese police's close to 100% conviction rate, I'm pretty sure they don't arrest people without a very strong case. I always thought the police were dismissive of rape cases because they are hard to prove so the fact they've arrested a celeb. means to me they believe her.

-3 ( +11 / -14 )

Girl in Tokyo

Always best to know the facts before deciding the guilt of people. It’s quite possible the men are guilty but they are yet to be charged let alone convicted.

daninthenpan

Yes, Japan has an almost 100% conviction rate but of those arrested only around half end up being charged.

-15 ( +7 / -22 )

Bow wifeToday  08:47 am JST

In Japan ... over 97% of women who are assaulted never report it.

Source?

And if no reports of these alleged incidents exist, how is the number of incidents calculated, much less credible/verifiable?

What's that gag about 'over 43% of statistics are made up'?

The fact that arrests have been made indicates that, in this case, there is likely to be substantial evidence of a crime being committed, over and above that of the alleged victim's disputed claim alone.

TT

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Thomas TwattToday  04:11 pm JST

Bow wifeToday  08:47 am JST

In Japan ... over 97% of women who are assaulted never report it.

Source?

And if no reports of these alleged incidents exist, how is the number of incidents calculated, much less credible/verifiable?

What's that gag about 'over 43% of statistics are made up'?

The fact that arrests have been made indicates that, in this case, there is likely to be substantial evidence of a crime being committed, over and above that of the alleged victim's disputed claim alone.

TT

A 2020 article by The Japan Times, "Sexual violence in Japan: A quiet crisis," cites a study by the Japanese government that found only 2.8% of sexual assault victims report the crime to the police [1].

A 2019 report by Human Rights Watch, "Japan: Underreporting of Sexual Violence," highlights that Japan's National Police Agency estimated that only 10% of sexual assaults were reported to the authorities in 2017 [2].

A 2018 academic study published in the Journal of Family Violence, "Prevalence and correlates of sexual victimization among Japanese women," found that among a sample of Japanese women, 34.5% reported experiencing sexual violence at some point in their lives, but only 14.5% reported the incidents to the police [3].

References:

[1] The Japan Times. (2020). Sexual violence in Japan: A quiet crisis.

[2] Human Rights Watch. (2019). Japan: Underreporting of Sexual Violence.

[3] Yoshihama, M., & Horrocks, J. (2018). Prevalence and correlates of sexual victimization among Japanese women. Journal of Family Violence, 33(2), 147-157.

Is rape a crime in Japan? | International Journal of Asian Studies | Cambridge Core

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-asian-studies/article/is-rape-a-crime-in-japan/E5A43CF9D262C99C350C557A8419EB3B#

" only 5–10 percent of rape victims report it to police, and police record half or less of reported cases while prosecutors charge about one-third of recorded cases. "

-2 ( +17 / -19 )

If proven, fire him immediately and lock him up. He'll definitely get a suspended sentence so we can't hope for the latter, but if he indeed did it his life being ruined is still decent.

-2 ( +5 / -7 )

What’s with the Bangkok dateline? Anyone get that? Kyodo is based in Tokyo, the incident happened in Tokyo. Why say Bangkok?

Moderator: That was an editing error. Thanks for pointing it out.

7 ( +7 / -0 )

The amount of men on this website who immediately accuse sexual assault victims of either setting up the accused for financial gain or blame the victim for being sexually assaulted by going to a room with a man/men is both depressing and sickening.

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Stewart GaleToday  06:29 pm JST

The amount of men on this website who immediately accuse sexual assault victims of either setting up the accused for financial gain or blame the victim for being sexually assaulted by going to a room with a man/men is both depressing and sickening.

Yes, luckily, such men are in the minority around the world.

I wouldn't say it's ignorance or a lack of intelligence but rather the effects of misogynistic influencers such as Andrew Tate and Trump.

Perhaps we can help them better appreciate the harmful realities of sexual assault and the trauma the very few women who do report such crimes face.

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

Unfortunately, such people often seem to be the most stubborn and closed-minded in society.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Non use of protection?

I would lay a bet that this isn't the first time for these guys. No proof of course, but gut feeling.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

Apparently all three were former teammates in a junior soccer team.

One of the other men admits the woman's story is true, but (bizarrely) claims he and only he had consent.

"間違いありませんが、自分だけは同意があった"

https://www.news-postseven.com/archives/20240718_1978615.html/2

2 ( +2 / -0 )

If you actually read what she wrote Steve you would notice she said “such men are in the minority around the world”.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Stewart

I was only writing in jest m8, lol

-7 ( +0 / -7 )

Bow wifeJuly 18 06:54 pm JST

Yes, luckily, such men are in the minority around the world.

But are the majority of men on this site. It's improving though, because there seem to be more posters taking notice of the misogynistic vibe and pushing back on those posts.

I wouldn't say it's ignorance or a lack of intelligence but rather the effects of misogynistic influencers such as Andrew Tate and Trump.

It's lack of empathy which to me also indicates a lack of emotional intelligence. Just because someone is educated doesn't mean they are smart.

Perhaps we can help them better appreciate the harmful realities of sexual assault and the trauma the very few women who do report such crimes face.

I've been trying for a few years now, but exactly none of these guys have changed. They don't want to change. They don't want to listen. In fact, they rarely even engage with the people pushing back. They just cowardly hit the downvote button and slink away.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Lol

So many to judge swiftly...

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

I have two daughters, been raising 3 kids but some better than angel persons know everything already about what happened, while the concerned suspect have not even yet expressed publicly.

The persons to show off about how they respect so much women's consent are the ones to be suspicious.

Never said in any comment in my life that consent shall not be always respected.

-4 ( +0 / -4 )

Jonathan PrinToday 02:14 pm JST

The persons to show off about how they respect so much women's consent are the ones to be suspicious.

Women can easily tell the difference between someone who is only feigning respect, and someone who walks the walk. It is not that hard.

Never said in any comment in my life that consent shall not be always respected.

No, but you freely victim-blame and accuse women of lying, even while pointing out that we don't know all the facts.

Saying the woman might be lying is just as bad as assuming the man is guilty. Get that through your head, mate.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

Jonathan,

“The persons to show off about how they respect so much women's consent are the ones to be suspicious.”

So, let me understand. You are suggesting people who dislike the culture of instant victim blaming and have sympathy for victims of crimes are the ones to be suspicious of, not the people who instantly blame the victims and suggest sex assault victims are doing it for financial gain.

If this is your point, it’s a very strange angle to be coming from.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Bow wifeJuly 18  05:09 pm JST

Thomas TwattToday  04:11 pm JST

Bow wifeToday  08:47 am JST

In Japan ... over 97% of women who are assaulted never report it.

Source?

And if no reports of these alleged incidents exist, how is the number of incidents calculated, much less credible/verifiable?

What's that gag about 'over 43% of statistics are made up'?

The fact that arrests have been made indicates that, in this case, there is likely to be substantial evidence of a crime being committed, over and above that of the alleged victim's disputed claim alone.

TT

A 2020 article by The Japan Times, "Sexual violence in Japan: A quiet crisis," cites a study by the Japanese government that found only 2.8% of sexual assault victims report the crime to the police [1].

A 2019 report by Human Rights Watch, "Japan: Underreporting of Sexual Violence," highlights that Japan's National Police Agency estimated that only 10% of sexual assaults were reported to the authorities in 2017 [2].

A 2018 academic study published in the Journal of Family Violence, "Prevalence and correlates of sexual victimization among Japanese women," found that among a sample of Japanese women, 34.5% reported experiencing sexual violence at some point in their lives, but only 14.5% reported the incidents to the police [3].

References:

[1] The Japan Times. (2020). Sexual violence in Japan: A quiet crisis. 

[2] Human Rights Watch. (2019). Japan: Underreporting of Sexual Violence. 

[3] Yoshihama, M., & Horrocks, J. (2018). Prevalence and correlates of sexual victimization among Japanese women. Journal of Family Violence, 33(2), 147-157. 

Your contradictory sources don't in any way answer my questions or refute my statements.

Define your terms clearly and properly (sexual violence/sexual assaults/rapes/assault...???!!) or you're just shouting and ranting. And in doing so, you're doing exactly what weakens credible and righteous people's position in this unfortunate state of affairs and makes persons in putative authority sceptical of the (quite possibly authentic) claims they make. Stop thumping the table and get real.

TT

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