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Police search house of man linked to deadly Osaka fire

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By CHISATO TANAKA and MARI YAMAGUCHI

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Can't wait to hear what they find!

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He wasn't home?

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What a tragedy. You really need to be aware of your surroundings and consider the location of emergency exits in case of fire.

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The headline reads like they’ll find the matches in tomorrow’s headlines.

Sometimes it makes sense to take a deep breath before writing. Something I could learn too.

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There was no prior violation of fire prevention codes at the building, officials said.

There was no emergency exit in the clinic. The office had several compartments for consultations and workshops along just one aisle, with the main counseling room on the far end of the floor.

It sounds like the ‘fire prevention codes’ need rewriting to make them actually meaningful.

Reading the description of the layout of this clinic beggars belief that it wouldn’t violate a fire prevention code - only one exit, no emergency exit, and all rooms and workers funnelled down one aisle. If a fire were to break out in such a layout, how are people supposed to escape?

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For the Kyoto Animation incident, it was rumored that a big organization was involved, which denied the involvement though. This clinic incident is also suspicious because also chosen a crowded day.

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Japanese police on Saturday searched the house of one of the patients at a mental clinic

Yep, as I suspected.

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"Authorities are investigating how the smoke filled the floor so quickly and the victims became trapped. There was no prior violation of fire prevention codes at the building, officials said"

I would like to see these fire codes, there is something trasticly wrong with them, there seems to be a dire lack of fire exits, adiquate means of exiting patients, fire exits, fire alarms/smoke detectors. what are the regulations on conbustable material as part of the decor of the building? most places around the world, peices material or furniture have to tested for being fire retardant, the other thing that caught my attention, was that a bottle of oil/fluid was knocked over, and thats how the fire started, it would seem that there must have been a naked flame near by, did they have one of those kerosene heaters near by? if so these heaters need to be modified or outlawed.

Do these building by law have to have a sprinkler system installed? the article does not mention that they were in opporation?

The tragic loss of life could have been reduced or even prevented, if adequate measures were put in place.

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There was no emergency exit in the clinic. 

Emergency exits are usually required in modern International Building codes . . . .

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The saddest part of all this is that innocent people fall victims to a person who needs help just as much as he did, no one could have seen this coming. RIP innocent souls.

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While none of the other patients “*could have seen this coming” *@Mark 6:41pm suspect the culprit’s doctor(s) may have had some idea the culprit’s inclinations and, perhaps, may not have acted to detain & hospitalize an individual who potentially would have been a danger to theirselves or others.

*- @Mark 6:41pm: “The saddest part of all this is that innocent people fall victims to a person who needs help just as much as he did, no one could have seen this coming. RIP innocent souls.’ -*

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More than 70 fire engines and ambulances took part in extinguishing the blaze Friday morning. 

What?? 70 fire engines for a fire in a 25m2 room???

Please tell me that is a misprint and it should have been 7, which would still be too many. If one fire truck can't put out a small fire without an entourage, then the trucks need to be improved.

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The Fire Marshal on the news last night said even 2 breaths of the toxic black smoke that was emitted would probably lead to unconsciousness. If you have no specific training for such an emergency there was no way to escape.

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More than 70 fire engines and ambulances took part in extinguishing the blaze Friday morning. 

What?? 70 fire engines for a fire in a 25m2 room???

A typical “fire truck” has one 5m ladder, and about 600L of water that wound run out in about 5 minutes.

support vehicles such as pump trucks to draw water from fire cisterns and hydrants, ladder trucks to reach high areas, technical support crew vehicles to turn of gas and electricity mains, and tanker trucks when there are no accessible hydrants or cisterns. One ambulance can typically only carry one patient, so considering the amount of victims, I’d say 50-70 vehicles in total is a reasonable number.

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Read your own cut and paste. It’s says “and ambulances.”

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@Mat The reason for the large number of Fire Department vehicles may be that it included ambulances. When there are so many casualties you need a lot of ambulances.

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In my opinion, fire regulations and firefighting methods in Japan are lacking compared to many other modern countries. Based on the statement that the arsonist kicked over a container of flammable liquid near a heater indicates that a catalytic kerosene heater was in use. There is also no report of anyone discharging a fire extinguisher. There are a number of obvious shortcomings here. 1) lack of fire escapes, 2) use of an open flame heater, 3) lack of fire extinguishing equipment (extinguishers, water hoses, blankets, etc.), 4) poor fire codes, 5) lack of staff training. Any one of those things could have saved many lives.

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The majority of office blocks converted to commercial/retail use in Japan are.

You raise an excellent point. It is not uncommon to find buildings which have been re-purposed at some point in their history, and what might have been acceptable as an office makes for a shoddy multi-tenant commercial building. Looking at the fire damaged building from above, it seems to be enclosed on three sides by other buildings (which is, as we know, not uncommon in Japan), so one either evacuates via the stairs or through one of the front windows, which in some cases have ladders installed behind them for just this purpose.

Given the limited escape routes, these types of buildings should be equipped with superlative fire suppression equipment, and not only that but all staff should be trained in basic fire fighting.

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No shortage of these narrow, only one exit, death traps. All it takes too is one defective with the means, motive, opportunity, and desire to inflict maximum pain on others. Safety Country is no slouch when it comes to proclivity for incendiary pyromania. I’m sure that our resident Amen Corner are already brushing up their by now familiar refrain, “nothing to see here, move along”.

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check the building you work in fire escape and find it filled with junk used and storage and the roof door locked for “safety“

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This from an unidentified source: Likely a serial arsonist who committed other types of arrestable crime.

Oh yea, and according to professionals in the field "pyromania" doesnt cut it as "impulse disorder."

So there's your answers … any fresh cop outs?

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And don't forget to remember, better check twice all workplace storage areas, missing fire suppressors, broken - non escape windows, non smoke detectors, smoke pits such and such. Unemployment lines, wife beater reports etc ( for other disgruntled dangerous pyros about to go postal..)

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I am often in this area, and passed the place today on my way to Osaka Station after popping in Junku-do. Saw dozens on people on both sides of the street taking photos with their smart phones and I've rarely been so disgusted. One guy even mumbled "Jama" as I passed in front of what I'm assuming would be his instagram post or Line post to friends of the post-fire scene. I looked at him (and he looked down) and I just shook my head. Heaps of media -- them I understand taking photos and trying to mob and interview people related to the incident. Old men across the street pulling out telephoto lenses to get... what... the next wallpaper for their computer? a photo they can "show off" to family when they get home and say "how close they were" to the incident? No, I don't get it at all. Abhorrent and extremely disrespectful behaviour. As for the owners of the building, they should be charged with manslaughter for each death since they didn't have any escapes, as well as people who approved and carried out the business, for allowing it to go on without said exits.

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@ snowymountainhell

"suspect the culprit’s doctor(s) may have had some idea the culprit’s inclinations and, perhaps, may not have acted to detain & hospitalize an individual who potentially would have been a danger to theirselves or others."

BINGO!

you are looking at the tip of the iceberg -problem, of j-land, frustration is so high among them, its as if they want their world to implode.

word on te street in okinawa is that a white yellow war is brewing; with the Chinese who feed most of them with their restaurants, and heavily share coded "kanji characters" is putting such subversive thoughts in their head, while heavy anti US sentiment is high, during the base occupation and taiwan emerging theatre, and the inclinations and signs are being ignored.

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