Woman arrested after remains of newborn son found in septic tank

flushed = not large enough to be full term? (right? I hope?)

Burn in hell lady, you are not human!

Neither are you for saying that, IMHO.

Who knows what kind of life this person has experienced, what kind of pressures and circumstances led to this tragedy?

That is not abandoning a body. That is infanticide. She killed the baby! But, again, we see this stupid Japanese law. There is no proof she killed the baby or if the baby was still born, so she cannot be charged with murderinh her child!

Taj - most Japanese babies are quite small when born and could fit through the S-bend, but this one didn't. Can you imagine the horror for the guy pumping it out when s newborn baby came flying out with all the rest of the poop? Oh, my dog!

In Japan are the toilets connected to building septic tanks?

I hear about this kinda of murder several times a year and they always find the poor thing in the septic tanks.

So cruel and heartless. The baby was alive and you threw it into sewage??

MONSTER! She is the one who needs to be flushed down the toilet. I hope she gets arrested for murder and sent to jail for a long time.

No father around?

Horrible story, hazarding a guess it was a shame based murder and that she was a big girl.

sandiegoluv May 9 08:58 pm JST

MONSTER! She is the one who needs to be flushed down the toilet. I hope she gets arrested for murder and sent to jail for a long time.

Will it benefit you, personally, if she does? Will it make you happier?

We know nothing of her personal circumstances, her mental health.

Will it make you happier?

It would absolutely make me a happier yes.

At the end of the day, who cares what her circumstances were - she flushed a defenseless baby down the TOILET like a monster!  Think about that for a second..

It amazes me people on JT who take the easy way out and simply say "its a tragedy" and then downvote and berate those of us who side with the innocent baby over the awful excuse for a mother.  Again - it doesn't matter what her circumstances were in such an awful case of murder and disregard for human life.

Circumstances do matter - and none of us here holding judgement on this awful tragedy are aware of the factors involved in what led to the incident. That is not to make excuses for what happened; merely to comprehend that there may be a bigger picture.

Why do these things occur? What unimagineable stress and pressure can lead to a person resorting to this? Is it some kind of extreme post natal unbalance? We simply don't know & to label the mother as a "monster" is simply unfair.

Taking sides does not come into it.

Shinjuku

I get what your saying, and yeah a normal sane person under regular circumstances, I'd say there shouldn't be mercy for her.

But since nobody here knows the details, they are probably just trying to use good judgement and not jump to the same conclusions. Isn't that what being modern and rule of law is about?

Since you don't know if anyone was bullying, raping, or hurting her, and if she was mentally ill or whatever then it's not siding against the baby to want to know more about a situation before say, calling for the death penalty.

We simply don't know & to label the mother as a "monster" is simply unfair.

Since you don't know if anyone was bullying, raping, or hurting her, and if she was mentally ill or whatever then it's not siding against the baby to want to know more about a situation before say, calling for the death penalty.

There is no situation - be it bullying, rape, mental illness, stress, etc. - however unfortunate it may be, that can somehow even remotely "justify" (i.e. give one a sense of understanding or pity towards) what this woman ultimately did.

Analyze the circumstances any way you want.  At the end of the day, the fact still remains that she not only killed her baby, but did it in such an awfully inhumane gruesome way.  She's a monster, plain and simple, and I hope karma comes around to give this woman what she justly deserves.

Ok how about this?

She was abused by her family from when very little.

She was also in an abusive relationship at the time it happened, had mental health issues, and say her husband said he would kill her if she ever got pregnant again.

Since she would be a victim too in that case, I would judge what she did to be less evil than if she did it for purely selfish reasons.

It's not clear from this article whether the baby was alive when born.

Yet JT posters are calling for the death penalty anyways.

Speaks to the quality of JT posters.

The death penalty is simply a case of old testament vengeance. No place in a modern society. All this labelling of the mother as a "monster", and wishing "karma"... do those people actually comprehend karma? I wonder.

There is NO excuse. She flushed her baby down the toilet! I could understand if she showed a little respect and buried it or even put it in a river. But she put it in the TOILET and I am assuming, because there is no other assumption that can be made, did her business as did others in her family, on this poor defenseless baby. Insult to injury in the worst way. That is such a horrible thing to do to someone, especially someone who YOU have given birth to.

Was she bullied or mentally unstable? I am assuming not. Just as much as you are assuming that she was. Due to the hideousness of flushing her newborn down the toilet and then defecating on it for a good length of time, I can assume that she is a monster and there is more to suggest that she is, then there is of assuming that she was somehow a victim or some other reason. Frankly, I didn't suggest Karma, and yes I do understand karma, however, since she shows such a disgusting disregard for human life, she does deserve to be flushed down the toilet. Seems to me like the flushing came one generation too late!

Was she bullied or mentally unstable? I am assuming not. Just as much as you are assuming that she was.

The poster who made that comment, never made the assumption she was bullied. First one poster said:

There is no situation - be it bullying, rape, mental illness, stress, etc. - however unfortunate it may be, that can somehow even remotely "justify" (i.e. give one a sense of understanding or pity towards) what this woman ultimately did.

To which the reply was:

Ok how about this?

She was abused by her family from when very little.

She was also in an abusive relationship at the time it happened, had mental health issues, and say her husband said he would kill her if she ever got pregnant again.

Which was clearly a hypothetical possibility, not an assumption that it happened. This is further proven by the next sentence:

Since she would be a victim too in that case

As you can see, the use of the potential 'would' is used with 'in that case', both showing that no assumption was made, only a possibility given.

@ Toasted Heretic -

Will it benefit you, personally, if she does? Will it make you happier?

Um, everything is not about me. It does not have to benefit me anyway. When you donate money to starving children far, far away from you, does it benefit you? No. I don't support gun ownership in the USA and vehemently fight against gun rights advocates all the time. It does not benefit me either since I live in Japan. So, wether it benefits me or not, is besides the point.

But yes it will make me happy if she goes to jail for a long time. Send a message to mothers that you can't just flush your newborn baby down the toilet and act like it didn't happen. She has a two year old. She is 33 years old. There are such things as abortions, and I am sure she is familiar with the concept. Since she had no problem with flushing it, she should not have had a problem with going to a clinic and aborting it before having it in the toilet and dumping it in feces and urine and then continuing to do her business on it.

We know nothing of her personal circumstances, her mental health.

Exactly. We don't know. You shouldn't assume that there was a legitimate reason for it, since no information at all has been given to suggest so. There is much more evidence here to suggest that she is a monster than there is to assume that she had a mental problem. We comment on the information what we are given, so we can't be faulted for calling it as we see it until something is given that tells us differently.

Whoops. - I forgot to mention something in the first paragraph of my last post.

Who does it benefit? Not me, because my wife is never going to flush our baby down the toilet. Hopefully it will benefit another child in the future whose mother is thinking about flushing him/her down the toilet. Maybe her going to jail for a long time would send a great message that flushing your baby down the toilet is going to land you in jail for a very long time. Get an abortion. Give it up for adoption. If you must, must dispose of it, at least give it some dignity and bury it in a grave somewhere and visit it occasionally to say your sorry. Not in a nasty, disgusting, foul septic tank. Seems to me like the worst thing to do to any soul.

Just think about how little disregard that shows for another being. In feces and urine! Simply monstrous!

You shouldn't assume that there was a legitimate reason for it, since no information at all has been given to suggest so.

No one made the assumption that there was a legitimate reason. However, many have assumed there wasn't. There actually hasn't been enough information to conclusively determine what the intention was. So your assertion that no assumption of a legitimate reason should be made is correct. But it is also equally correct, that no assumption should be made of an illegitimate reason.

We comment on the information what we are given, so we can't be faulted for calling it as we see it until something is given that tells us differently.

I can find fault in it. If it turns out this story is something entirely different than what you have assumed, you will have smeared this woman's name. There is a lot of fault in that.

If information comes out that she had a reason, and to be honest, there isn't a good enough reason to dispose of one's offspring in feces and urine, than I will apologize right here or anywhere that that story comes out. But let's go with that. . . What POSSIBLE good reason could there be for one to do such a horrific and despicable thing to one's own offspring?

God came down and said, "Dump this offspring in waste or something terrible will happen? I could see something legitimate there.

She had a mental problem? Um, still not a good enough reason for me not to call her anything but a monster.

But it is also equally correct, that no assumption should be made of an illegitimate reason.

All we can see is the horrific thing that she did. We all read . . .

Mika Suzuki, says she gave birth to the boy in the toilet at her home in February. Police said she has admitted to flushing the baby down the toilet

There can be no legitimate reason for her actions simply because it is an illegitimate action, extremely disturbing and illegal action, which is why she was rightfully arrested.

I can find fault in it. If it turns out this story is something entirely different than what you have assumed, you will have smeared this woman's name. There is a lot of fault in that.

Smeared a woman's name who murdered a baby by stuffing him into a septic tank (the only fact we know)..  Yes, I'm more than happy to.

There is also a lot of fault of siding with a murderer over a victim.  This isn't a case of self-defense we are talking about here.

@Strangerland - Oh, I didn't smear her name. She did that all on her own.

As for the conversation earlier, I must have misread. Thank you for posting it out. However, a lot of people assumed that she had to be under some pressure, whether it be mentally, family or something else.

Here is what we DO know and what we can assume if we use a some intelligence.

Japan has one of the best mortality rates in the world at 2.5%, so most likely the baby was born alive and died in the septic tank, where she flushed it. That means, MURDER!

She obviously had no intention of keeping the baby, because if she had she would have called an ambulance, a hospital a policeman. But that didn't happen either. This baby had no chance to begin with, which means, murder.

Furthermore, if someone kills another's baby, we have a fit over it and call the person a monster. We don't offer excuses for them. And we surely should not for this woman. The baby is not her property to dispose of and that is why she was arrested, as it should be. The very parent who is supposed to protect him was the murderer and tossed the poor thing into human waste. Human waste of all things. That is truly a monster.

If you think the baby was still born and the mother couldn't handle it, freaked out and dumped him, then think again. People who love their babies don't toss them in the toilet because they are dead. They cry, they grieve, but they don't just toss them in feces.

This was a baby. A human just like her. One person most likely killed another person, and that is a most likely if you believe the nonsense that by chance the baby was still born and she was so grieved that she didn't alert any official at all and tossed it in the toilet. The baby didn't have a name which means that you can disassociate yourself from it as a human so much easier, but was a baby with a future if it had been born to someone who actually cared.

What I do see here is something very disturbing. Not one of the posters defending the mother and saying that she may have had her reasons has said anything nice towards the baby. No concern for the baby whatsoever. No, "RIP little one" Nothing. Only supporting the mother and giving her a possible out even when there is nothing here written in the story about her having troubles. Bash us for basing the mother for murder or even discarding the poor thing in the septic tank, but show some class by at least saying something like. . . . "Sorry little one" Or "RIP" "In the toilet? Oh, that is very sad, poor baby." Nothing just support of a criminal and attacking those of us who point it out. That is truly strange.

I still can not rap my brain around dumping an infant into human waste!!!!