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China orders 2 men detained for posing in Japanese army uniforms

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Does this site store older articles on the Imperial Japan occupation period? Mentions of it, descriptions, etc. I am in need of sources for academic research, and would like to cite this particular website.

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This article is very confusing. We know that anti-Japan sentiment is Chinese government policy, that Chinese TV is filled with war films/dramas depicting the Japanese troops as evil, that the Chinese government built a Nanjing memorial museum. So then this article begs the question;

Why were these two men charged and prosecuted?

Why was there "online outrage"?

How did their act of dressing up in WWII IJA uniforms "challenge the dignity of the nation and its people,"?

BTW, I'm glad I don't live in a country where one can be " and sentenced to administrative detention, a punishment short of jailing for which no trial is required.".

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15 to 20 Million people. Do you really think they will ever forget.

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Cosplay...on my ever growing long ash list of things not to do in China.

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Many Chinese also believe Japan has never showed sincere contrition for the conflict, in which an estimated 15 million to 20 million Chinese were killed.

Blame the Chinese government as well as the mainstream media for perpetuating this revisionist nonsense that Japan has 'never' shown sincere contrition.

Prime Minister Koizumi personally visited the site of the Marco Polo bridge and offered his apologies in the early 2000's, a fact which many Chinese media outlets highlighted. This was just one of several such apologies.

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I'm rather surprised that a Chinese person would do such a thing. Just stupid. On the other hand seems like you can get thrown into jail for just about anything in China, or any other similar country.

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@Ossan. In Germany it is 3 months in prison for a single seig hail. Imagine walking around London in a nazi SS uniform?

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@OssanAmerica

BTW, I'm glad I don't live in a country where one can be " and sentenced to administrative detention, a punishment short of jailing for which no trial is required.".

You probably do/did - most foreigners here know someone who was imprisoned for a few weeks before being released without charge!

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OssanAmericaToday  07:40 am JST

> BTW, I'm glad I don't live in a country where one can be " and sentenced to administrative detention, a punishment short of jailing for which no trial is required.".

Actually you are. Involuntary admission is a ambiguous legislation, The confinement of lunatics act (1900) which allows people deemed a danger to themselves or the public detained for an indefinite period of time in by ...... "Local authorities". Abusive of this legislation is apparent.

A stay in a detention center for 2~4 months for a foreigner before prosecution formalities in not uncommon.

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Why was there "online outrage"?

How did their act of dressing up in WWII IJA uniforms "challenge the dignity of the nation and its people,"?

Ossan, dont play dumb, you are way smarter than that. This is on par with some idiots dressing in Nazi uniforms and posing in front of eg. Auschwitz concentration camp...you think Germany wouldnt react the same?

Anyway , those 2 really must have rocks in their heads.

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@Ossan. In Germany it is 3 months in prison for a single seig hail. Imagine walking around London in a nazi SS uniform?

I doubt you would go to jail for in Germany for a sieg hail. Regular far right demonstrations would attest to that.

Its a case of whats on the books doesn't match what happens in real life.

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GoodlucktoyouToday 11:31 am JST

@Ossan. In Germany it is 3 months in prison for a single seig hail. Imagine walking around London in a nazi SS uniform?

Leaving side the fact that a single seig heil will not get you in jail, your example is not comparable at all. Germany has laws that are enforced within it's own borders. German laws do not apply in other countries. You can walk around in a Nazi SS uniform anywhere else including London without fear of legal prosecution. Definitely will be stared at for extreme bad taste, and some individuals may protest perhaps even violently, but that's not the same thing.

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ADK99Today 11:43 am JST

You probably do/did - most foreigners here know someone who was imprisoned for a few weeks before being released without charge!

nedotjpToday 11:59 am JST

A stay in a detention center for 2~4 months for a foreigner before prosecution formalities in not uncommon.

I am not referring to being detained. I am talking about being charged, convicted and sentenced without due process.

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Kind of hypocritical by the Chinese government no? There are paid employees posing as "evil Japanese soldiers" on museum sites in China, is it not also an fact that one could buy rape-themed porn in the Nanking massacre museum? That’s not even a joke! look it up!

The CCP tries to seem concerned about the feelings of the Chinese people, but it is the most morally corrupt and reprehensible regime you could imagine.

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marcelitoToday 01:59 pm JST

Ossan, dont play dumb, you are way smarter than that. This is on par with some idiots dressing in Nazi uniforms and posing in front of eg. Auschwitz concentration camp...you think Germany wouldnt react the same?

You missed the point completely. Let me try again. These two "cosplayers" dressed up as IJA troops, presumably to convey anti-Japan sentiment. Why then was there "online outrage" when we know there is widespread anti-Japan sentiment? Why were they charged and prosecuted when their actions were in line with the Chinese government position?

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gelendestrasseFeb. 24 10:22 am JST

I'm rather surprised that a Chinese person would do such a thing. Just stupid. On the other hand seems like you can get thrown into jail for just about anything in China, or any other similar country.

A few year back a chinese actress was wearing a shirt/blouse/dress with an Imperial japanese flag printed on it... She was blasted by the media too.

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@Ossan you have a different take or interpretation of the action.

You missed the point completely. Let me try again. These two "cosplayers" dressed up as IJA troops, presumably to convey anti-Japan sentiment.

Presumably to convey anti-Japan sentiment is where it is. I think they were being obnoxious but it’s more than just bad taste.

No example would be “the same thing” but you won’t see Little Boy/ Fat Man mascots in Hiroshima or Shibuya on Halloween.

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quercetumToday 02:41 am JST

@Ossan you have a different take or interpretation of the action.

You missed the point completely. Let me try again. These two "cosplayers" dressed up as IJA troops, presumably to convey anti-Japan sentiment.

Presumably to convey anti-Japan sentiment is where it is.

Well if these two were wearing IJA uniforms to convey anti-Japan sentiments, what is the problem? Why was there an "online outrage"? Why were they charged and prosecuted?

So far no one is answering this simple question. Instead people are comparing it to an action in an environment where it would be looked down upon. Here the action would should have been looked upon favorably, yet there was "outrage" and they were prosecuted. I am simply asking WHY?

Has the official Chinese government position towards Japan changed? Has it been reversed?

I think they were being obnoxious but it’s more than just bad taste.

No example would be “the same thing” but you won’t see Little Boy/ Fat Man mascots in Hiroshima or Shibuya on Halloween.

You won't see that because Japan does not maintain an anti-US policy and the people aren't drunk on anti-American sentiment. Hell you don't even see that at the Atomic bomb memorial services which are attended by US officials. Again, wrong comparison.

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@Ossan To begin with, I don’t think it was to convey Anti-Japanese sentiments. Last week apparently was the biggest holiday in China, the Lunar New Year. They were being obnoxious imho.

To ask a rhetorical question to answer yours, if they were trying to convey anti-Japanese sentiments, why were they detained and criticized online when they should not have been but instead should have been looked favorably upon as you say? Because it wasn’t to convey anti-Japanese sentiments.

Here’s the straight answer: the response to their behavior was and is not a change in the government’s position towards Japan. Instead, it was disrespectful to make light - act stupid - of an event that is said to be a part of one of the darkest pages in China’s history.

Do you really believe the Chinese government has changed its position? And the online community all of a sudden thought it’s wrong to convey the aniti-Japanese sentiment?

You have a good point on the inadequate Liitle Boy / Fat Man example. If two people celebrating a holiday in Korea parade around in a JIA uniform and clothes thought to be what comfort women wore and were detained, how do you draw a conclusion that a change in anti-Japanese sentiment is taking place. It is inconsiderate of the victims and therefore that freedom is restrained.

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Many Chinese also believe Japan has never showed sincere contrition for the conflict, in which an estimated 15 million to 20 million Chinese were killed.

Do "many Chinese" also believe their unelected dictators have showed sincere contrition for the deaths of 40 million+ under mass murderer Mao? Probably not, as the swine is still pictured on their banknotes.

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The statement, dated Tuesday, didn't say how they were identified, although social media and government databases may have offered clues.

Meaning that the gov't watches all your internet access and reports/snitches on anything deemed "suspicious" to the cozzers.

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quercetumFeb. 25 02:02 pm JST

@Ossan To begin with, I don’t think it was to convey Anti-Japanese sentiments. Last week apparently was the biggest holiday in China, the Lunar New Year. They were being obnoxious imho.

Thanks for your personal speculation. Unfortunately nothing in the above article supports it.. I find it extremely difficult to believe any Chinese persons would travel to Nanjing and dress like IJA soldiers without any anti-Japanese sentiment. What other motive could there be?

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Pics can be seen by following this link, btw...

https://www.shine.com/en_us

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