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Before we pass judgement, I would want more info on what the victim did to warrant such a brutal murder. He might have really pushed this woman over the edge of insanity to go as far as decapitating him.

Love hotels have a front desk to confirm who comes and leaves and probably multiple cameras at the entrance.

Some lovehos don't have a front desk, in the interest of giving the user as much anonymity as possible. They can just select a room from a menu, and then pay at payment machine in the room when they leave. Don't have to see or talk to anyone other than your partner.

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Zaphod

It is not that easy to deceive the normal human instinct, as any look at the players in the current "trans" movement in the West can attest to. Even the newly crowned "Miss Holland" still has the typical male skeleton with shoulder/hip ratio, hand size, cranial structure etc etc.

The man was surely drunk and it was night time. He was there to get laid by somebody or "something". He was a cross dresser so maybe he was into that, too. In any event, many men have been fooled before.

No, I do not believe your "father dressed as a woman" story.

I don't ask you to believe it; I only ask you to consider it. My point is that if the father truly loved his daughter so much he would have done the dirty work and not risk his daughter's safety on such a dubious undertaking. Again, when the story first came out there was wording in the mass media (here, Japanese TV) to the effect it could have been a man.

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Ronin Tsukebin

Certainly you don't have to be a master cross-dresser to pull it off. I am sure the daughter would

It is not that easy to deceive the normal human instinct, as any look at the players in the current "trans" movement in the West can attest to. Even the newly crowned "Miss Holland" still has the typical male skeleton with shoulder/hip ratio, hand size, cranial structure etc etc.

No, I do not believe your "father dressed as a woman" story.

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Strangerland

How do you know he knew she hated him? How do you know he even thought she was raped?

Well, if you are talking about a completely different story, of course you have a different opinion. (shaking head...)

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Zaphod

There is no indication anywhere that the father was a master cross-dresser. To the contrary, the only expert cross dresser in this story that we know so far is the victim.

Certainly you don't have to be a master cross-dresser to pull it off. I am sure the daughter would have helped put on the make up, etc. Who knows, maybe the father even went to the disco party at some point to scope out their target. I assume the police looked into this but we don't know this.

When this story first came out the news reports even suggested that it could have been a man dressed as woman. The language suggested that this was not clear, ie, that it was definitely a female.

On the other hand, there is a good chance I could be wrong. Maybe the father's psychiatric "therapy" or "cure" for helping his daughter cope with the alleged rape and her hatred towards men was to have her do the killing. If so, I am sure they practiced at home on where to strategically stab to kill the victim quickly and things like that.

Stay tuned.

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Ronin Tsukebin

I still believe the father did the killing, dressed as a woman (the daughter) of course. Remember the victim was drinking and intoxicated so might not have noticed;

There is no indication anywhere that the father was a master cross-dresser. To the contrary, the only expert cross dresser in this story that we know so far is the victim.

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Decapitated man was involved in violent incident with suspect: mother

It's written incorrectly because he died and was decapitated after the violent incident.

Not like a headless chicken that got involved in an altercation .

It's ambiguous, not necessarily wrong. The way it is written, he could be a now headless man, who was involved in an incident previous to being headless, or it could be a man with no head being involved in an incident. Of course the latter is ridiculous.

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I don´t disagree with that "logic", however, I am flabbergasted that you do not see how absurd this is. Imagine you are the rapist, you know she hates you, and then suddenly she invites you to a love hotel?

How do you know he knew she hated him? How do you know he even thought she was raped? You're making a lot of assumptions here, which would explain why you're confused. And that's ignoring (as you did) my response I gave earlier which clearly explains it:

Narcissists are idiots. Rapists are narcissists. Is this news to you? He thought he was getting more.

Do you think no one has ever been raped by the same person twice? If so, that's another assumption. You make a lot of them.

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I still believe the father did the killing, dressed as a woman (the daughter) of course. Remember the victim was drinking and intoxicated so might not have noticed; plus it was late in the evening further blurring the picture. It's not like there needed to be much conversation between the two to check into a love hotel.

I just don't see the father letting the daughter do the killing and putting her in harm's way. Things could have gone south quickly. I mean what father would ever put their daughter in that situation. Clearly, most if not all fathers would have wanted to take revenge on the man who raped their daughter themselves. I know I would. Again, it just doesn't make any sense for the father to put his daughter in danger like this.

In any event, more and more information continues to come out. We shall see.

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garypen

Maybe he invited her, and she said yes

She went to the event with a suitcase containing the saw and change of clothes.... pretty safe to assume she initiated going to the hotel.

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Zaphod

Imagine you are the rapist, you know she hates you, and then suddenly she invites you to a love hotel? You do not see the weirdness in that, on both sides??

Why do you assume he knows she hates him? In his mind, it may have been consensual. "Women always say no" could be his presumption. And, if she didn't put up a huge fight, and eventually acquiesced? Then, in his mind, it wasn't rape, and she has no reason to hate him.

Maybe she didn't even invite him this time. Maybe he invited her, and she said yes in order to exact her revenge. Like Strangerland, I don't understand your confusion about the whole thing.

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Strangerland

Under the premise that she intended to kill him, that's where I'm not understanding your confusion. If she wanted to kill him,

Well, that is the reason they arrested the family, no? The accusation is that they planned this together.

then meeting up with him somewhere private is a first logical (though immoral and illegal) step.

I don´t disagree with that "logic", however, I am flabbergasted that you do not see how absurd this is. Imagine you are the rapist, you know she hates you, and then suddenly she invites you to a love hotel? You do not see the weirdness in that, on both sides??

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Decapitated man was involved in violent incident with suspect: mother

Considering she cut his head off after stabbing him to death, I'd say so.

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Your daughter was sexually assaulted? Why not call the police? It sounds like the whole family was psychotic, 'He raped you!? Okay! Let's go kill him and cut off his head. I'll do this and you.....'

It definitely sounds like an irrational response to a horrible situation.

If any of it's true. We're reading English translations of breaking news. Ripe for differential between what we're reading vs what actually happened.

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Your daughter was sexually assaulted? Why not call the police? It sounds like the whole family was psychotic, 'He raped you!? Okay! Let's go kill him and cut off his head. I'll do this and you.....'

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Which part of the "you raped me, I hate you, so lets go to a love hotel" scenario do you NOT have problems with?

Under the premise that she intended to kill him, that's where I'm not understanding your confusion. If she wanted to kill him, then meeting up with him somewhere private is a first logical (though immoral and illegal) step.

On both sides.

Narcissists are idiots. Rapists are narcissists. Is this news to you? He thought he was getting more.

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Yes, but there is a LOT of violent crime that is not reported and recorded.

Same as every country, so that doesn't change Japan's ranking in the statistics.

It's low but not as low as the numbers might show.

Same as literally every country on the planet. Unless there are any that don't take crime stats.

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Strangerland

Which part of it are you having problems with, and why?

Which part of the "you raped me, I hate you, so lets go to a love hotel" scenario do you NOT have problems with? On both sides. Seriously, you can imagine this?

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Yes, obviously this was premeditated. My point is the akwardness of the situation. She hated him because he raped her, and the she invites the rapist to go to the love hotel later? I have trouble wrapping my head around that.

Which part of it are you having problems with, and why?

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Japan is a safe country. This kind of crime happens only once in a blue moon. I am repeatedly told. So...

You've been told correctly. Japan has an extremely low rate of violent crimes in comparison to other nations.

If you are going to rest your head anywhere, Japan is as safe as anywhere, and safer than almost everywhere. (Pun sort of intended)

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OssanAmerica

That, or some very cold premeditation.

Yes, obviously this was premeditated. My point is the akwardness of the situation. She hated him because he raped her, and the she invites the rapist to go to the love hotel later? I have trouble wrapping my head around that.

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Redemption

Even if they chop up the body, the front desk and cameras would indicate somebody was missing. 2 people enter and 1 person leaves.

There is usually nobody at the front desk, unless you call them. And 1 person leaving is not immediately suspicious, as the "delivery health" girls always leave before the client. Of course, once the police looks at the recorded footage later, they can find the discrepancy.

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Japan is a safe country. This kind of crime happens only once in a blue moon. I am repeatedly told. So...

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ZaphodToday  12:04 pm JST

OssanAmerica

So a 62 year old man beat up a 29 year old woman. Then the woman and her family cut his head off. As odd and grotesque as the whole thing sounds, there's a moral to this story.

My feeling too. The weird thing is that she agreed (or got him to) go the love hotel on that day, after having that history. That involves some serious mental distortions.

That, or some very cold premeditation.

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Some additional information from Japanese language media:

The grandfather was incredibly candid and added the following information. Runa rarely attended school when she was young and had issues communicating with people. She did enjoy cosplaying and met Ura at a cosplaying event. Ura liked to cosplay as a female and Runa became a friend him without realizing he was a man. Runa apparently had a deep mistrust of men and avoiding speaking to them. At some point they ended up staying in the same hotel and during the night Ura allegedly sexually assaulted Runa. Destressed and angered by this she told her parents what had happened. The family then decided to hatch a plan to kill and behead the victim with Runa and her father planning and buying items for the murder. The mother has now also been accused of being a coconspirator.

Terrible and sad case, seems like everyone was a victim and perpetrator of bad decisions.

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Victim was luckily drugged at the disco event with drugs the fathered procured through his day work.

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OssanAmerica

So a 62 year old man beat up a 29 year old woman. Then the woman and her family cut his head off. As odd and grotesque as the whole thing sounds, there's a moral to this story.

My feeling too. The weird thing is that she agreed (or got him to) go the love hotel on that day, after having that history. That involves some serious mental distortions.

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Redemption

Love hotels have a front desk to confirm who comes and leaves

Don´t know about this one, but some are completely automated. And the front desk does not "confirm" anything, they just the money.

You are right about the cameras though. CCTV is how the J police solves most crimes these days.

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I don't think she had the intent on just decapitating the victim. She didn't finish the job chopping him up

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Love hotels usually have hidden cameras.

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Even if they chop up the body, the front desk and cameras would indicate somebody was missing. 2 people enter and 1 person leaves.

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So a 62 year old man beat up a 29 year old woman. Then the woman and her family cut his head off. As odd and grotesque as the whole thing sounds, there's a moral to this story.

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Redemption

Love hotels have a front desk to confirm who comes and leaves and probably multiple cameras at the entrance. Not a smart place to try to carry out a body. Maybe that was not her intent and things got out of hand.

Did you even read the article?

*Investigators suspect Runa and Osamu had planned to chop up Ura's body and take it away, as together they purchased a saw that was likely used in the crime and a suitcase, the sources said.*

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The daughter should have reported the violent incident to the Police instead of the brutal murder.

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Not mentioned was the young woman was very shy but liked to cosplay. The old man they murdered also liked to cosplay but he would dress as a woman. He apparently befriended the young woman and later raped her. The murder was revenge for the rape.

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Love hotels have a front desk to confirm who comes and leaves and probably multiple cameras at the entrance. Not a smart place to try to carry out a body. Maybe that was not her intent and things got out of hand.

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Disturbing. It is like one of those gruesome horror movies.

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Maybe their original plan of cutting up the entire body, and removing it, was too much for the woman. So, she bailed after the head, thinking that removing the head and his wallet/clothes would mean the body couldn't be identified. But, the police were pretty quick to identify him even without a head or wallet. I wonder how they did that?

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So he beat her up, or maybe raped her, or both...

That was some pretty lame update.

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Decapitated man was involved in violent incident with suspect: mother

As I read this, actually, the violdent incident was with suspect: daughter.

The mother of a woman who was arrested for allegedly mutilating the corpse of a decapitated man found in a Sapporo love hotel room earlier this month *said her daughter was previously involved in a violent incident with him*

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Wow! This family is really looney tunes. I'd be scared being their neighbor or being a former classmate of Runa. MY head is rolling after reading this story. Man, this is stuff you see on TV dramas here.

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Again this must be a mentally SICK 29 years old and possibly the parents too.

Why decap. the man's head after killing him?

So much hate and inhumane even if the victim did offend the 29 years old.

What was the victims relationship with the killer? were they romantically involved?

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