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Defiant Ghosn pins hopes on French probes to clear his name

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I said it when this "Story" broke:

If this doesn't make it to the Hague, it will be nothing less than a Travestry of Justice, when it DOES, it will show the world what it's like to be the Accused, in Japan.

5 ( +36 / -31 )

I can't wait for the movie about Ghosn's escape. It should be called Carlos Gone.

18 ( +34 / -16 )

The only country that says Ghosn is a fugitive is Japan that touts there 99% conviction rate due to the same tactics used by North Korea.

10 ( +41 / -31 )

With thousands of people dying daily from Covid 19, we have better things to concern ourselves with than this crook, and fugitive from justice.

He's looking for a forum where he will not be cross-examined and also one where he can try to divine what the French authorities have on him by the questions they ask him.

The Dutch court saw through his lies, hopefully so will the French authorities.

He can't be arrested in Lebanon so it's a win win publicity stunt for this grande mentiroso.

I have my doubts as to whether a movie will be made about him. Who cares about him?

He really is yesterday's news.

-6 ( +28 / -34 )

French justice will not clear his name

2 ( +24 / -22 )

He's not really good at

smiling for the camera is he?

1 ( +16 / -15 )

He’s aged! He’s lost almost all of his hair. Life in exile must have stressed him out. Come back to Japan, Carlos, and face trial. Chances are you’ll be convicted with a suspended sentence.

-16 ( +21 / -37 )

 My goal is to provide explanations, lay my documents on the table, let the investigating judges determine whether there is a case of misconduct or not and let justice follow its course."

which is FAR MORE than we can expect from the BS J "Justice" system

1 ( +25 / -24 )

The only country that says Ghosn is a fugitive is Japan that touts there 99% conviction rate due to the same tactics used by North Korea.

also one of 3 countries in Asia where you are denied a lawyer during questioning by the J cops. The other 2 being China and N Korea.

17 ( +36 / -19 )

“In Japan, you had a Japanese person interrogating me, writing in Japanese and wanting me to sign things in Japanese that I don’t understand,” he said

That's practically what happens to any foreigners in Japan who deal with Japanese law, beside that usually the process already have bias toward foreigners.

16 ( +32 / -16 )

With thousands of people dying daily from Covid 19, we have better things to concern ourselves with than this crook, and fugitive from justice.

Wrong. Justice must go on, despite the disaster we are in. Japan should give millions of $US to members of the Lebanese gov't to encourage them to capture and escort Ghosn back to Japan to face justice.

-21 ( +15 / -36 )

Japan's legal system is a joke. On par with North Korea and China. Lots of slimy tactics used.

22 ( +43 / -21 )

There is no doubt in my mind that Nissan wants this man locked up to cover up their financial misconducts.

He did not need to escape, but he and his lawyers knew this will not be a fair trial, and so the only option they had was to leave Japan and fight the charges from abroad.

21 ( +33 / -12 )

Rags to Riches to Rags Story

-14 ( +10 / -24 )

It sure is a big change of tune around here. People here were celebrating when ge escaped and acted like Carlos Ghosn lives in all of us ex-pats here in Japan.

-16 ( +10 / -26 )

It sure is a big change of tune around here. People here were celebrating when ge escaped and acted like Carlos Ghosn lives in all of us ex-pats here in Japan.

Well argued. All them people cheering Ghosn on like he was a hero seem to have gone missing! The Hollywood action scene has faded, and they likely know his time is up, and Japan will eventually get him back to face justice.

Have your day in court Ghosn, and prove your innocence of the charges!

-13 ( +14 / -27 )

Japan already made a bad name of itself with his archaic and inhumane “justice system”

I’m sorry for Kelly that needs to go through a bunch of incompetent and xenophobe bureaucrats.

20 ( +28 / -8 )

He gives me some hope in my everyday j-live.

watching news about olimpics, misogyny, xenophobia, deaths of detainees, ... hits me hard every time.

in Ghosn i see a rebel fighting the system.

21 ( +30 / -9 )

William and bokuda- VERY WELL SAID!

11 ( +17 / -6 )

Please edit: When the movie comes out

4 ( +6 / -2 )

Fighto! Let's not forget that he also is entitled to presumption of innocence until the prosecutor proves his guilt to the satisfaction of a jury of Ghosn's peers in a court of law.

Ghosn's part is not to show lily-white colors in court but merely to defend or explain his actions. He felt he couldn't get that chance in Japan, and escaped Japanese justice with help from outside Japan.

8 ( +15 / -7 )

Ghosn looks pretty good. He's been gettin' some sun.

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Just thinking out loud after reading some comments about the views and opinions of the Japanese justice system. GOSHN obviously is highlighting many discrepancy's to the way the system works, and how its basically a good ole boy system. I'm just surprised Japan hasn't declared it a criminal offence for arriving in country as a positive COVID case?

1 ( +5 / -4 )

his legal troubles in Japan, France and the Netherlands, detailed how he plotted his brazen escape from Osaka, 

His son and wife should also be on Interpol most wanted list.

Rags to Riches to Rags Story

You do know how much money he has, his political ties with corrupt Lebanese kingmakers, mansions in Brazil, etc?

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

The French justice system will require the prosecution of this case to be supervised by a magistrate to ensure the case is sound. Obviously they already have doubts about his innocence of doings in Europe. If they find him guilty abd they don't have an extradition agreement with Lebanon's dodgy government, they should take a leaf out of Ghosn's book and send in some Foreign Legionnaire's to "liberate" him.

-7 ( +4 / -11 )

In an unusual move, French investigating magistrates are going to

question

Ghosn for several days starting Monday in Beirut, where he is being given sanctuary by Lebanese authorities. *

“In Japan, you had a Japanese person

interrogating

me writing in Japanese and wanting me to sign things in Japanese that I don’t understand,” he said.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Let's not forget that he also is entitled to presumption of innocence until the prosecutor proves his guilt to the satisfaction of a jury of Ghosn's peers in a court of law.

He is entitled to it forever even after he could be found guilty here in JT community

-5 ( +3 / -8 )

What he did is what anyone on here would do if put in the same situation..of course, the Japanese won't because they cant if they could they would...

3 ( +7 / -4 )

You get hired for Japanese company as CEO.

You follow Japanese rules and laws.

When I get hired in America or Europe, I follow the rules and laws of the land.

I don't break the laws and the moment people want to ask questions I run away hidding in a suit case, paid huge amount of money to smuggle him out of Japan, too.

-10 ( +9 / -19 )

Mr Ghosn knew the justice system in Japan.

He came willingly.

Got hired willingly.

Made millions each year.

Didn't have a problem with the conviction rate until he broke the laws and run away.

The justice system in Japan works well for Japanese citizens! !

Only foreigners keep complaining how unfair is for them! !

-18 ( +9 / -27 )

How's it possible that a guy who doesn't read, write and barely speaks Japanese is able to fool a small army of Japanese accountants for a number of years without any help from a Japanese person?

12 ( +15 / -3 )

Gone Carlos Gone!

-9 ( +1 / -10 )

“In Japan, you had a Japanese person interrogating me, writing in Japanese and wanting me to sign things in Japanese that I don’t understand,” he said. 

What the heck is he complaining about?

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

@ReasonandWisdomNippon so you know how legal systems in other Countries...so obviously you can see how flawed it is but you know that you're just being a douche we know that...that's fine you seem to be good at it..

9 ( +15 / -6 )

The justice system in Japan works well for Japanese citizens! !

The only Japanese citizens for whom the justice system works "well" are those with their head in the sand who think it will never happen to them.

13 ( +17 / -4 )

Good for him. Thumbing his nose at the corrupted, racist J-elites and they still can't catch him!

11 ( +16 / -5 )

The justice system in Japan works well for Japanese citizens! !

The only Japanese citizens for whom the justice system works "well" are those with their head in the sand who think it will never happen to them.

exactly! well said!

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Northernlife, EXCELLENT POST!

0 ( +6 / -6 )

Michael MachidaToday  07:42 am JST

He's not really good at smiling for the camera is he?

It looks like the photographer just let one go...

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Carlos is a hero to me!

I wish him luck and innocent verdicts for all those wrongly facing persecution in relation to the whole farce.

13 ( +21 / -8 )

Ghosn may well be guilty of some improprieties - time will tell.

But that is actually separate from what he "escaped" from.

And that is a system of justice practiced by a leading democratic nation that simply doesn't come up to scratch.

Being sneakily called back to Japan(and Kelly) , arrested and then interrogated for months without legal presence and denied access to his wife and family were just the 1st steps in his final decision to get out.

The prolonging of procedures ad infinitum saw him realize that he will be kept literally a "prisoner" here for years whether in custody or on bail.

This has been confirmed by the Kelly trial, with years having passed and the judicial machinations progressing achingly slow.

Pair this with the status of "Prosecutors as Gods" with seemingly unlimited powers, and the mix of Big Inc / Govt and their de facto pressure - then no one's going to do well in such a situation, least Ghosn.

The simple reality that the 800 year old Magna Carta and one of it's principle clauses Habeas Corpus has become a cornerstone of citizen justice throughout the democratic world, but is not realized here in Japan.

That is what the escape was about. Escape from a system harking back to Meiji.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

Mr Ghosn knew the justice system in Japan. 

He came willingly. 

Got hired willingly. 

Made millions each year. 

Didn't have a problem with the conviction rate until he broke the laws and run away. 

The justice system in Japan works well for Japanese citizens! ! 

Only foreigners keep complaining how unfair is for them! !

Not speaking wisdom even if spoken with multiple accounts.

8 ( +13 / -5 )

Ghosn was kept in solitary confinement in Japan for months without being allowed to speak with his wife.

Because J-Justice suspected she would be doing what she actually did

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

They half him for two years trying to force a confession from him. Their evidence must be very weak.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

EDIT:

They held him for two years trying to force a confession from him. Their evidence must be very weak.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

They use that confessions as main evidence in most trials. 83% of trials are based on confessions.

You can convict anybody if you can keep him in detention indefinitely.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

Here's a clue. 99% of individuals arrested and indicted for a crime are guilty. Most crimes are minor offenses such as larceny, drunken driving, etc. Ghosn was not arrested arbitrarily.

90% of federal cases in the U.S., end in guilty pleas.

Ghosn, he's a criminal. Clear his good name? That's amusing.

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

Although it is hard to decouple this Ghosn story and look at the current condition of the Japanese justice system thanks to Ghosn’s greed to gain more financially by suing in the Netherlands and it backfiring, I think it still stands that Japanese justice system needs a major overhaul to catch up with those of top democracies. The recent passing of the Sri Lankan woman whose escape from domestic violence resulted in her dying in detention also points out to the same systematic disfunctioning of the Japanese justice system. Justice and fairness is the backbone of a strong society and is necessary for everyone.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

Who cares about him? He really is yesterday's news.

J justice and J media seem to care about him, nothing worse than losing face in Japan , justice be damned

3 ( +7 / -4 )

90% of federal cases in the U.S., end in guilty pleas.

does US justice have mandatory detention easily prolonged indefinitely at the discretion of prosecutors, no defence lawyers present during interrogations, very little chance of bail, forced confessions!?

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Because J-Justice suspected she would be doing what she actually did

ever heard of supervised visits!? seems like J justice hasnt

3 ( +7 / -4 )

Because France likely helped him to escape in the first place. The Taylors can't simply and easily pull the rescue in the first place! Ghosn is an elite in the French world, so he must receive tremendous help from French intelligence agencies. Additionally, France wants to influence more in Lebanon, so Ghosn can be a helpful asset for the French.

-4 ( +2 / -6 )

Richard GallagherToday 12:24 pm JST

Ghosn, he's a criminal. Clear his good name? That's amusing.

Ghosn could avoid prosecution in the US, paying US regulators USD 1,- million out of his wallet, paid USD 15 million using money from Nissan and is barred from any executive job in US companies for 10 years.

A French judge allowed tax authorities to seize USD 16 million in assets from Ghosn and his wife, Carole.

A Dutch court ordered fugitive former Nissan chairman Carlos Ghosn to repay more than USD 6 million.

Ghosn also skipped bail in Japan, about USD 14 million are forfeited.

People who helped him against payment of millions of USD to escape from Japan are now in jail in Turkey and two US citizens were arrested in USA and after spending months in US-jails finally extradited to Japan facing Japanese justice.

Interpol issued a red alert notice to law enforcement worldwide to provisionally arrest him.

Now he is in Lebanon, a very unstable and corrupt country with his wife, pays for armed bodyguards and claims innocence.

-3 ( +4 / -7 )

wtfjapanToday 12:56 pm JST

does US justice have mandatory detention easily prolonged indefinitely at the discretion of prosecutors, no defence lawyers present during interrogations, very little chance of bail, forced confessions!?

Ask the two Taylors who assisted Ghosn to escape from Japan, both US citizens, how long they have been in detention in USA before extradited to Japan. Bail was always denied by US-judges.

Compare them with Ghosn - a foreigner in Japan, he was not in a prison cell most of the time but out on bail, living in a comfortable house in one of the most expensive places in Tokyo, was not even under house arrest and of course he also had lawyers (he did not pay them yet btw....) - Carlos Ghosn's three-person legal team of Japanese lawyers all quit of course after former Nissan chief absconded.

0 ( +5 / -5 )

When I get hired in America or Europe, I follow the rules and laws of the land.

This again?

1 ( +6 / -5 )

ever heard of supervised visits!? seems like J justice hasnt

Supervised visits? Yeah right, maybe with a prosecutor together who hopefully has native level of 5 different language sitting side by side to both, trying the best not to ruin their privacy, if Carole was considered to be completely clean from the beginning, if Ghosn is not the kind of guy who complains about non-presence of his lawyer during interrogation, whom he betrayed and dumped like a garbage and disappeared on supervised bail period.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

kennyGToday 11:41 am JST

(Ghosn was kept in solitary confinement in Japan for months without being allowed to speak with his wife)

Because J-Justice suspected she would be doing what she actually did

True, there are many so-called grey-zones around Ghosn, it's not only about himself, but about his family members as well. Everybody is innocent of course...don't know, cannot remember etc.

Ghosn is a man suffering of megalomania. It's never enough money for him, he wants more and more, however it is difficult to investigate, as everything is mixed up between what is legal and business and what is misusing company money for his expensive private life-style...

A Dutch court has ordered fugitive former Nissan chairman Carlos Ghosn to repay nearly 5 million euros in salary to an Amsterdam-based alliance 

or

Ghosn's lavish second marriage...internal audits identified that a contribution of 50,000 euros, under a sponsorship agreement...was allocated to Mr. Ghosn's personal benefit

or

questions about the use of 4 company jets have highlighted the blurred lines between Mr Ghosn’s globe-spanning business remit and his personal life, with children and properties on several continents. 

or

The assets seized by French tax authorities include an apartment in Paris owned by Carole worth 5.9 million euros, 

or

Nissan’s internal investigation found that Ghosn had since 2002 instructed that about $100,000 a year be paid to his elder sister as remuneration for a non-existent advisory role.

Nissan had found through the investigation that Ghosn’s sister had in fact been living in and managing a luxury apartment in Rio de Janeiro that the company had bought through an overseas subsidiary, but had done no advisory work for the car maker.

Carole - who is holding also US citizenship - said she was “done with Japan”.

Japan has issued international wanted notices for the couple, which means the two will live in Lebanon as fugitives and could be arrested if they leave their country.

It is not only about Carole, his wife, the entire family has to be investigated, all their friends (Kelly for example) and even former friends have to be investigated too, but of course there is a wall of silence...such international investigations take years.

Canton Zurich's public prosecutor is assisting the Japanese authorities in an inquiry related to bank accounts associated with Carlos Ghosn.

To successfully convict Ghosn is indeed very difficult. He is highly intelligent and very rich. He knows how to play cat and mouse... for how long he can do that is the question.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

ecause France likely helped him to escape in the first place. The Taylors can't simply and easily pull the rescue in the first place! Ghosn is an elite in the French world, so he must receive tremendous help from French intelligence agencies

just BS

In the past France put in jail Total CEO and an ex-minister because of an occult international deal for exemple.

In international diplomacy, you have more to lose protecting a loose cannon.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

pepelepew

How's it possible that a guy who doesn't read, write and barely speaks Japanese ais able to fool a small army of Japanese accountants for a number of years without any help from a Japanese person?

It's not. And that's where the farce should end, right there. End of story. There can be no case, based exactly on this.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

So far it's been reported Carole Ghosn arranged his dramatic escape together with their family.

Even Ghson's 3rd daughter handing money to Taylor, was video-captured.

Let us all see how Taylors testify in the official court.

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

How's it possible that a guy who doesn't read, write and barely speaks Japanese ais able to fool a small army of Japanese accountants for a number of years without any help from a Japanese person?

It's not. And that's where the farce should end, right there. End of story. There can be no case, based exactly on this.

That's BS. You are insulting non-Japanese professionals who knows well how Japanese tax law works ( Don't you know not a few major accounting or law farms in Japan are jointly managed with foreign-farms?), not to mention that it is questionable if such small army of Japanese accountants , in reality, could interrogate him face to face or not.

We all don't know what all those players like Hari-Nada, Jose-Nunoz, so many non-Japanese figures watching Ghosn day in day out in Nissan have confessed so far under the table.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

We should give a trophy to the Japanese Justice defenders. it's a really hard work that never ends.

1 ( +4 / -3 )

So, he or they still living in Nissan's property in Beirute? How many are those ? I forgot, 5 or 6 luxury houses all over the world purchased by Nissan or Nissan's remittance? Do Japan and Lebanon have a tax treaty in place?

Gosh. He is a genius. He doesn't even need a small army of Japanese accountants. He should run the biggest multinational tax farm.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Let it go. He’s a tycoon who made the Japanese prosecutors look like idiots. He did nothing worse than his American counterparts did. And he made a heck less than his American counterparts.

4 ( +6 / -2 )

His mistake was breaking Law 1 : Never Outshine The Master (48 Laws of Power).

He made his bosses at Nissan feel threatened, so they had to take him down.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

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