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Was only a matter of time until a tragedy like this happened. I ride the train next to a main road in downtown Osaka everyday and I'm shocked by the amount of people who are either playing games or watching TV as they drive. It has to easily be 3-4 out of 10. Stay safe folks, there's a lot of drivers who are not looking where they are going.

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I have similar experiences in my town. Drivers constantly drifting into my lane because they are on the phone. My horn gets used every day.

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Make an example out of him as a warning to others.

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The game is not the problem, stupidity is!

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highly publicised death sentence should be some deterrent

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Normally this kind of game was forbidden especially for children.

People don't make, after a little bit of time, any difference between the game and reality. Addiction is stronger too.

When you use your phone on the road , you are left with only 10% of your concious mind on the driving.

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Thanks Japan

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well that didn't take long. Capital punishment if the second person dies.

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Condolences to all affected.

Tempting to pun the hell out of this idiot's name, but let's respect the victims instead.

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I'll bet this isn't the first really, just the first that either the cops found out about from the suspect or that the person admitted to here. There have been plenty of accidents and deaths due to sma-phone and cell phone use while driving here in Japan,

Sentence in my opinion should be death in kind!

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I use my horn every day too. People often look at me like it's me who's in the wrong, but if people insist on driving irresponsibly, you can't blame me for getting my horn out.

My wife gets angry when I use the horn.

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I'm glad some of you guys are not in any position of power to rule in this case. Did he make a horrible mistake? Yes! Should he be punished and do jail time? Yes! He will live with what he has done for the rest of his life. But he certainly does not deserve to die for this. Do not put this man on the same level as people who purposefully murder people. He broke the law and he should have known an accident could happen but if we start killing people for driving while using the phone you might as well kill more than 10% of drivers in Japan. Just because they didn't cause accidents doesn't mean what they are doing us better than what he did. I see distracted drivers on their phones every day during my 10 minute wait at the bus stop. I even see men shaving while driving. This man shouldn't be made an example of but Japanese drivers have a deeply rooted problem with letting themselves get distracted on the road. But since the police rarely control anything I'm am not surprised. Here where I live people just do what they want. Park in the middle of the road, go over red, etc. The problems start here.

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@michael werker

Agreed about the death penalty but the penalty should be severe. It should be the same as drinking and driving for sure as you knowingly choose to distract yourself while operating a dangerous vehicle.

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A grown man should have enough sense to not operate a car and play a video game at the same time. I love to play Solitaire on my phone, yet I have enough sense to know not to do it when driving.

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Do not put this man on the same level as people who purposefully murder people.

But, in the States anyway, if you act in "reckless disregard", and that act results in a death, you can be charged with murder, even if it wasn't intentional.

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Funnily enough I got thumbed down when I recently wrote :

the system allows for a capture within a several-metre radius, meaning you shouldn’t have to drive to a screeching halt in the middle of the road just to add it to your collection.

Which obviously seems to mean the "driver" is looking at his/her smartphone while driving... ???

I guess I was right after all !

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I thought staying in your lane was a sacred rule of driving

Not if you want to be a good driver in Japan. If you insist on staying in your lane no matter what, you will be just as bad as Japanese drivers who go overseas and are as flexible with lanes as they are in Japan.

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@Douglas Macarthy - Thanks Japan? For what? Pokemon Go was created by a guy named John Hanke and was created by a U.S. company.

The driver should not have been playing while driving and should accept responsibility for this tragic accident.

The game maker should investigate the possibility of incorporating an algorithm into the game that will lock the game or make the game's screen blank if the device being used is determined to be travelling at a certain speed or greater (using the internal GPS function of the phone). This of course would not be perfect and would not be 100% foolproof but may help prevent accidents like this in the future.

Regardless this is a terrible, terrible accident!

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if we start killing people for driving while using the phone you might as well kill more than 10% of drivers in Japan.

cough 60%

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The game maker should investigate the possibility of incorporating an algorithm into the game that will lock the game or make the game's screen blank if the device being used is determined to be travelling at a certain speed or greater (using the internal GPS function of the phone).

It already asks users if they are a passenger in a vehicle if the game determines they are traveling faster than one could walk. It doesn't lock the game down (since of course, people can be passengers), but the algorithm is already there.

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I think the victims' families should sue the game's publisher, Niantic. Corporations that market (or even give away) hazardous products ought to be liable, with no exceptions. Also, "augmented reality" games are going to become ubiquitous very soon, and the companies that make them need to be served notice that if they produce something that can get people killed, they will wind up in court.

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Corporations that market (or even give away) hazardous products ought to be liable, with no exceptions.

So we're going to make car makers liable for accidents now are we?

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Wow, some bloodthirsty types on this site calling for the death penalty. This was an accident, not premeditated murder. The driver deserves and will get jail time but the crime does not deserve the death penalty.

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They already are, when it can be proved that flaws or defects lead are causing the accident. Ever heard of Takata air bags?

You're shifting the goalposts. What you said:

Corporations that market (or even give away) hazardous products ought to be liable, with no exceptions.

Cars are hazardous even when there are no flaws. People get into deadly accidents all the time with cars that work perfectly fine. According to your comment, the car makers should be liable - no exceptions.

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RIP to the elderly woman who was killed in this accident. I hope the other lady recovers.

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every time some new thing comes out that is fun or useful a few idiots take it to the extreme and abuse it. No they should not sue the game maker. The game is fun but should not be abused by idiot morons who are irresponsible. Would you like to sue the car maker also, for making a vehicle this moron used to kill someone? Stop blaming the means and blame the couse, stupidity...

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I think the victims' families should sue the game's publisher, Niantic.

So if this was the case of drunk driving, you're saying that the families of the victims should sue the company of whatever beer or nihonshu the driver was drinking? Coz it's exactly the same thing.

The game didn't cause the accident. The idiot at the wheel did.

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So sad...I hope he gets 10 years in prison...whatever his excuse is.

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"When you use your phone on the road , you are left with only 10% of your concious mind on the driving."

Actually, that is not entirely true. It depends on what you use your phone FOR, naturally.

I suggest that everyone have their phones on and functioning every minute they are behind the wheel.

Use them as dash cams.

Yes. I am a genius. By doing this ONE CLEVER TRICK you can not only avoid having accidents because you avoid playing Pokemon GO behind the wheel, you can also review your driving performance and record important data related to crashes that might occur around you.

You can find dash cam apps for free from your favorite app site. Enjoy. Light a candle instead of cursing the darkness, you bunch of darkness cursers.

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Useless game. And now people are dying over it. Very sad.

I was driving home a couple of days ago and for some reason, the driver in front of me slowed way down to about 30kh out of the flow of traffic which was about 65kh. I got right behind him and stayed there until he sped up. He eventually did. Then slowed and sped up again, and got off at the next exit. I was wondering if he was playing. I usually only use the horn when someone is glued to their phone after the light turns green. Maybe not anymore if this keeps happening. Furthermore, I think I will install an airhorn as well.

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These news alone should deter drivers from driving irresponsibly instead of a harsh death sentence as some suggest here. But with the cars being easier to drive and safe for the drivers, I feel it allows for the drivers to lack in being nervous and not giving full attention into driving. If all vehicles were still manual transmission, these accidents will certainly lessen.

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I'm shocked by the amount of people who are either playing games or watching TV as they drive. It has to easily be 3-4 out of 10.

I'd say it's closer to 3 out of 4 in Tokyo.

Albert Einstein said it best, "I fear the day that technology will surpass our human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots." Welcome to the new millennium!

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It's incidents like these which really makes the necessity of autonomous cars clear as day. Once autonomous driving technology is introduced, it might be better to ban certain drivers (poor scores on driving tests, etc,) from manually driven cars, while others would have a very short leash (ie. 1 accident and banned from manually driven)

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There is a law here in Japan AFAIK that it i not allowed to use a mobile phone while driving but like with so many laws, it is not really enforced. If Japanese police would fine rigorously , people would stop using phones wile driving.

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Hope this is being played big on Japanese TV and not for just one time news. I no longer walk the main road on my way to the station. The fear of some idiot driver suddenly leaving the main road and crushing me has crossed my mind. Stories like this will happen again ... sad all around!!

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Useless game.

It provides a lot of entertainment to a lot of people world-wide. Hardly useless at all.

I'd say it's closer to 3 out of 4 in Tokyo.

Ridiculously exaggerated.

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Accidents like this won't stop the smartphone zombies, whatever they are doing on their phones, unless something happens to them or someone close to them (maybe). Fact is they can't help themselves, driving, riding, walking whatever. They are oblivious to their surroundings and don't care or pay no attention even if it's pointed out that what they are doing is dangerous. The other day I saw a teenage girl riding her bike on the wrong side of the road, at night with no lights, in the rain while smartphoning. She didn't even blink when I pointed out that it could be dangerous-just carried on regardless. The best the rest of us can do keep our eyes open and try to avoid these idiots as much as possible. Pokemon Go is not to blame, it's just the state of society now sadly.

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@ Asakura,

Totally agree, im a 6ft3 big bald guy with a goatie i was walking two dogs at 11pm last night and one of the twats was walking right towards us oblivious, i pulled the dogs closer and nothing i stopped in my tracks nothing i coughed and nothing she got within 1 meter before she looked up in shock as if i had fell from the sky. When i pointed out (as nicely as i could)she should take more care, i was given a look of disdain which prompted me to tell her what i really thought (not nicely).

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sad. self control or jail time. should be easy to choose.

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The underlying problem is a near complete lack of traffic enforcement in this country.

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He must be an idiot, but we have to ask what the two women were doing in the road in the first place.

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I'm not sure that the game developer gets off scot free anymore. With the number of incidents rising the developer must now consider operator error. If they're using GPS technology for the game, they can detect the speed of travel of the player. The developer could disable the game if the player is travelling at anything higher than a fast walking pace, for example.

The driver has been reckless and should be punished (not killed). But other people's safety requires the maker of any product that can cause harm to make allowances for the tempted, weak willed and immature.

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I'd say it's closer to 3 out of 4 in Tokyo.

Complete tosh. I cycle all over hell and gone in Tokyo and Yokohama and in traffic can very easily see what people are doing in their cars. I in fact once saw a guy stopped at a red light getting some rather intimate service from his girl friend. Yes, there are people using their cell phones in their cars and trucks but it is nothing like 3 out of 4. If it was anything close to that I wouldn't cycle.

Moreover, as pedal cyclist I always read reports about cycle fatalities when I see them in UK or US newspapers. Only a few fatalities are caused by cyclists doing stupid things. More typically they are caused by drivers texting or fiddling with audio equipment.

I've cycled in a number of countries (US, UK, France, Holland) and cities ranging from Sacramento, California, to Liverpool, England and Leiden in the Netherlands was well as various French cities. Tokyo drivers are generally quite good, both private and commercial. In contrast, London is horrible. I hate to drive in London and would never consider cycling there.

Sure, there are idiots on the road in Japan, but there are idiots on the road everywhere. Overall, Japan is pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty good.

The underlying problem is a near complete lack of traffic enforcement in this country.

More utter tosh. Almost everyday I use either Meiji-dori or Hakusan-dori. The cops are almost always around stopping people.

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Been waiting that, alas.

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Surely there have been many previous accidents, fatal included, caused by drivers using their mobile phones for various reasons.

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The underlying problem is a near complete lack of traffic enforcement in this country.

More utter tosh. Almost everyday I use either Meiji-dori or Hakusan-dori. The cops are almost always around stopping people.

That might be the case in Tokyo but traffic enforcement is lacking in Aichi, especially in smaller cities.

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I repeat, dash cams FTW.

And as far as people wondering how people can use phones for games and all while driving, the answer is simple: the real world is just not as exciting as the internet and game world. This guy who hit the women is probably relieved that now he can do something interesting with his life that does not involve playing a child's game.

One other startling bit of auto crash trivia is that the national police have been trying to reduce the number of traffic fatalities, but they have hit a wall, so to speak. It seems that no matter how hard they enforce the laws and raise penalties, people will still use cars for malice, suicide, entertainment, etc. People love mayhem, apparently. If this guy had not gone and killed these old women, he probably would have clobbered a baby carriage a month from now.

I have often thought that taking traffic penalties and raising them ten-fold for just a single year would really do wonders for educating people and getting some scary people off the road. It would also make life interesting enough that Pokemon Go would pale by comparison.

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When this guy is sitting in his prison cell with a bowl of rice, without his phone, he can contemplate his stupid selfish action for the next 10-20 years.

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Strangerland - Ridiculously exaggerated!

Really? Which parallel universe do you live in? Have a look at the number of people using their phones, pads and game machines and check what they are doing on them. It's closer to 4 out of 5 with stupid mind-numbingly pathetic games on the screen or they are watching freaking television! This Pokemon Go is a disease on society, not a fad!

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I don't know if it was a factor in this case, and I'm not trying to blame the victim even if it is, but has anyone else noticed how many people in Japan walk on the wrong side of the street? There are many bad drivers out there, and the roads are narrow on top of it all, it should be obvious that walking on the right side of the road so you can see the cars coming at you is the safest place to walk, but so many people here walk on the left with cars coming at them from behind...

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Which parallel universe do you live in?

"The real world".

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@laptopwarrior

You cant blame the games when the people are the problem so sue the driver

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For any driver caught not paying full attention to their driving by using a mobile telephone etc there should be a very very hefty fine, I'm talking at least a million yen here for first offense and/or driving license removal. This would hopefully act as a deterrent. I see them all the time so a police officer would too if they were with me. Other traffic offenses too.

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LeTizzAUG. 25, 2016 - 03:08PM JST That might be the case in Tokyo but traffic enforcement is lacking in Aichi, especially in smaller cities.

Agreed. Same in Kyushu. I ride my bicycle daily, and have never seen "traffic enforcement". Nearly got hit by a women reading a novel and driving a few months back!!

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Agreed. Same in Kyushu. I ride my bicycle daily, and have never seen "traffic enforcement". Nearly got hit by a women reading a novel and driving a few months back!!

Have you and the others commenting here ever considered the possibility that you are far more likely to remember a close call due to someone doing something stupid than every driver who was following the rules and didn't threaten you? I certainly remember my close calls in Japan and the UK in a way that I don't remember every time I went cycling and nothing happened.

And, I cannot for the life of me understand what people mean by enforcement being lax here. I see more cops on the road here than I do in the UK based on experience driving in the US, Japan, and the UK, driving well over the speed limit is far more common in the US and the UK than it is in Japan. I used to drive in the San Francisco Bay Area during rush hour on the Oakland side of the bay. Bumper to bumper idiots at well over the speed limit, especially big rig trucks. I never saw any enforcement during the rush hour although sometimes on three-day weekends the cops would set up speed traps and be using spotter planes.

Even less so can I figure out where people are getting these 3 out of 4 or 4 out 5 claims for cell phone usage in Tokyo. Going home this afternoon at the beginning of the rush hour, I made a point of looking at the traffic going east on Meiji-dori from the junction with Hakusan-dori. I didn't have a clicker for counting but I spent about five minutes watching the traffic. I did not see a single driver using a cell phone.

Of course, the rate is not zero. I've seen people using phones. I've seen people with a television program on their car navigation system. But, I remember these because they are relatively unusual.

I would also point out that there are claims that in the US nearly half of all drivers admit to texting while driving and and that as many as 40% of crashes are attributed to cell phone use.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/08/dangers-of-texting-and-driving-statistics_n_7537710.html (and many other articles).

This is not an exoneration of idiots in Japan, but a very large fraction of those posting here are writing in a style or tone that makes it seem they think that what is technically called "distracted driving" is a Japanese peculiarity and something due largely or solely due to lack of policing in Japan.

I say prove it with hard comparative data from other countries. At least in terms of standard measurements such as traffic fatalities per 100,000 population, Japan is at the low end of the spectrum.

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bullfighter... have you considered that maybe... just maybe... it is your experience of excellent law enforcement that's different? Anecdotally here, it would seem that's the case. In my albeit somewhat limited personal experience, road rules are enforced with a somewhat haphazard and lackadaisical approach. It scares me how often I see children without seatbelts here, and that is something that is particular to Japan - as far as a comparative goes. I know that if you tried that in Australia, you'll end up with a hefty fine, and it blows my mind that the common sense element doesn't work here.

Now... that's not to say that stupidity when it comes to roadrules is only occuring here - and no-one here has asserted that. If you're picking up on that, you're drawing conclusions. No-one's said that, and before you point to no-one pointing to problems OS, this is an article about something that occured within Japan - it's a natural continuation to discuss.

Likewise, I didn't comment on cell phone usage whilst driving. I commented on road rules.

Now, I cycle a lot... sometimes without incident, sometimes with. It's simply a reality (tho' honestly? Cycling here is better - when it comes to cars - than in Oz. Now... other cyclists? They are a hazard!) of being on a bicycle. But seeing something stupd is definitely far more frequent than "there was this one time..." (as you're suggesting with likelihood of remembering "close calls"). But as I stated: it'd be just as bad in Australia - but we're not talking about that.

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I think the victims' families should sue the game's publisher, Niantic.

Of COURSE you do. This, despite Niantic having numerous prompts covering things like playing while operating a vehicle that must be acknowledged before you can play the game. Here's how the courtroom scene would go:

Niantic Lawyer: "Your honor, my client hereby presents evidence that the perpetrator had acknowledged multiple times that the game should not be played while driving. Therefore Niantic performed their due diligence in providing proper guidance on when the game should be played."

Judge (after examining evidence): "This evidence does appear exculpatory. Does Plaintiff's Counsel have evidence that the perpetrator did not observe these warnings prior to playing the game?"

Plaintiff's Lawyer: "Plaintiff acknowledges that such prompts are required to be acknowledged before the game can be played."

Judge: "Then the defendant had done everything they could do short of following the user around and slapping the phone out of their hands if they tried playing while driving. This lawsuit is dismissed."

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If they could change the app to detect the person speed using GPS and see if the person is traveling faster than 5 MPH (8KPH) it shows a message like "You are traveling too fast to capture anything".

Maybe it would reduce the number of injuries etc.

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If they could change the app to detect the person speed using GPS and see if the person is traveling faster than 5 MPH (8KPH) it shows a message like "You are traveling too fast to capture anything".

Read the comments. This has been addressed multiple times already.

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Terrible that a lady has died and another injured. However, I would like to point out that the media has just been waiting to jump on the story as PokeGo is the flavour of the month. Every day there are accidents and I'm sure deaths caused by distracted drivers . watching T.V . playing with the sat nav and of course - phones. Distracted drivers with smartphones or any cellphone is not a new phenomenon, it has been an issue for two decades now, especially the talking driver. Though, one could argue that pokego is an insidious form of distraction more dangerous than the others. I would like to see the data for injuries and death caused by cellphone distraction. Distracted is distracted. Whether it be reading, watching T.V, Lining someone or playing a game - pazudora or Pokemon go, the outrage and repercussions should be equal.

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bullfighter: In Tokyo, do you really not see how many people break the laws here. Apart from that Meiji/Hakusan place, have you ever seen anyone getting stopped? Or even seen an officer on patrol?

Whether it's better or worse than some other countries is borderline irrelevant. The point is whether people here are driving safely or not. In my pedestrian experience in Tokyo, generally low speeds and reasonably cautious driving styles do seem to keep the accident rate reasonably low, but pretty much anytime I pay attention to drivers I will see crap like unsecured children, dogs on laps, people stopping in random places, red lights being run, smoking behind the wheel, using phones, overshooting/ignoring stop lines, probable speeding (not that I have a speedometer or anything though), etc. I can recall seeing someone getting pulled over once in my entire time here (near Iidabashi/Imperial Palace). It's obviously not the majority, but it's present and extremely easy to spot.

Cyclists are worse though. And probably the only reason there aren't more fatal accidents there is that most of them just ride on the pavement (also against the unenforced rules).

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Look at the research, it is said that you're 400% more likely to have an accident using a cellphone while driving. I agree that this app is the flavor of the month for newspapers. This sad story is the same each time just change the name of the app. People need to learn not to use their phone while the vehicle is moving. With technology getting more advanced soon there should be a way to determine whether a person is in a vehicle or a train. But it still comes back to the driver in the end. The driver knowingly makes the choice to use their phone, therefore 100% of the blame lies with the driver, not the app. RIP careless driver victim(s).

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Cyclists are worse though. And probably the only reason there aren't more fatal accidents there is that most of them just ride on the pavement (also against the unenforced rules).

I'm not sure if you meant they are riding on the sidewalk (which would seem to make more sense in the context of your statement), or if you did mean the pavement, but either way, neither is actually against the law.

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Please people watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9swS1Vl6Ok

Hope it will get some japanese subtitles as well.

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Just a matter of time before this happened......again. Throw the book at him to discourage the other distracted drivers.

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Christopher GlenAug. 26, 2016 - 06:55PM JST

Just a matter of time before this happened......again. Throw the book at him to discourage the other distracted drivers

It has. :(

2nd traffic death linked to Pokemon Go reported in Japan http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/2nd-traffic-death-linked-to-pokemon-go-game-reported-in-japan

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Strangerlnad, cycling on the pavement is against the law in japan unless underaged or with kids

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Strangerlnad, cycling on the pavement is against the law in japan unless underaged or with kids

Nope:

Since bicycles are classified as small vehicles, the law states that they must be ridden on the road whenever possible

Link: http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/06/04/14-things-never-to-do-on-a-bicycle-in-japan-with-new-traffic-laws/

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Apparently (Britain) 'pavement' == (US) 'sidewalk'.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pavement

One. Any paved floor.

Two. (chiefly Britain) A paved footpath, especially at the side of a road.

Three. (US) Any paved exterior surface, as of a road or sidewalk.

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/06/04/14-things-never-to-do-on-a-bicycle-in-japan-with-new-traffic-laws/

Since bicycles are classified as small vehicles, the law states that they must be ridden on the road whenever possible, unless the operator is a child, or there are signs that allow for bicycles to be ridden on the same stretch of pavement that pedestrians are using.

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Apparently (Britain) 'pavement' == (US) 'sidewalk'.

Isn't that confusing, using the same word for sidewalk as road. How are you supposed to know which is being referred to?

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And 'bonnet'.

And my Indian friend's confusion (upon first day of arrival in the USA) at his US roommate's confusion when said friend asked said roommate for a 'rubber'.

And Alex Einz isn't making it easier for us, with that username.

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And my Indian friend's confusion (upon first day of arrival in the USA) at his US roommate's confusion when said friend asked said roommate for a 'rubber'.

That one made me say "what?!" when first asked for a rubber by a female British friend. "But we haven't even been on a date yet" I replied.

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Strangerland.. yes it is against the law.. rocketnew is not a credible source...its illegal unless under strict circumstances

https://www.jitco.or.jp/download/data/leaflet_English.pdf

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