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If she was unable to give consent, then it's rape. It doesn't matter if she went to the hotel willingly

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@sensei258

Agreed!

Does the LDP have anyone with integrity?

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Well, here's the sexual creep of the week and it's only Tuesday.

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Repugnant.

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Sensei258Today  07:24 am JST

“If she was unable to give consent, then it's rape. It doesn't matter if she went to the hotel willingly”

What hotel? They were at her home.

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However being a member of the privileged Elite the charges will be dropped once he figures out how much money she requires

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@ edjukatur - so quick to point out others mistakes I'll give you that one but the point is still the same

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Does the LDP have anyone with integrity?

Is that a trick question?

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I will probably get down voted, but I'll say it anyways.

I'm a woman, and if I had dinner with a man on Christmas eve and invited him to my house to spend a night, I would probably not be surprised if he wanted to do something physical. If I said no for some reason and if he became violent and forced me to, then that'd be terrible but if it was that I said no and he still wanted it, and if I reluctantly did it, I would not report that as an assault.

There is not enough information how it was an assault versus he didn't think the No was just a No. Perhaps she was offended and decided to get back at him? This is just a crazy idea but I am putting myself in his shoe -- being invited to a woman's house after a Christmas eve date (you know it is one of the most romantic day in Japan), if I were a guy I would probably assume I'd be "welcomed".

I know, no means no, and if was his bad that he didn't understand no, but just not enough information here. She could have said anything to trap him.

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@fishy

The article says she was asleep.

And I don’t care if she invited him over on his birthday and walked around buck*ss naked, he wasn’t invited to physically touch her and he did. Probably without a condom too.

You can internalized rape culture if you want to but hopefully the law won’t.

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Yep. Just to reiterate the point:

sexually assaulting the woman at her home while she was sleeping

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She's in her twenties. He's 46. She's naked. He's in her home. He's a banker. I'm thinking their relationship was based on more than just his charisma and humorous tales of the good old college days. I'm going to go out on a limb and hypothesize that he bought her stuff and supported her. His stupid mistake was, he thought that this entitled him to sex on demand. She didn't think that way. Somehow, his sweaty face and hair tonic didn't put her in the mood that night. So, he raped her. Tough luck bro. You were stupid to think you could control her with your money.

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He has money

He was dating her.

It was Christmas Eve.

Very likely they had at least champagne.

So both back to HER place drunk.

She was having periods ? Otherwise why decline to make love ? Half drunk man, in his GF’s room, how will he keep his boner libido inside his underwear?

He took fotos - which is questionable but for what purpose ? Did he splash it out on the net or share with somebody ? If not it remained private.

Cannot understand the girl’s stance.

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Even if you can't understand why, you do understand the meaning of the word "no", right? When a person says "no" to your sexual advances, it means you are supposed stop. To do otherwise is the definition of RAPE.

I'm not saying this is easy to do. it's tough to go against your human nature. But unless you want to end up being arrested some day and then talked about in JT, learn this lesson now.

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Even if you can't understand why, you do understand the meaning of the word "no", right? When a person says "no" to your sexual advances, it means you are supposed stop

She was sleeping, though.

It was at her house, after a dinner with the guy she was dating, on a Christmas eve.

And there was no witness.

I'm not trying to side with the man, I am a woman, but what this woman did puzzles me.

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what this woman did puzzles me.

This is generally my state of mind

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fishy: "There is not enough information how it was an assault versus he didn't think the No was just a No."

There is more than enough information: she felt it was rape, and so it was.

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smithinjapan - what you say is generally correct, although I am still puzzled because of their relationship. She could have said it was an assault if she wanted to break up or set him up for whatever reasons. If a woman says it was a rape and then it becomes a rape, that would be the sharpest weapon any woman could use to damage a guy they want to hurt.

I say it again, I'm not trying to side with the guy, he could have been a bad guy and could have really assaulted the woman. Who knows.

But it is kind of scary to think that when a woman says rape, it is a rape.

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Tsuyoshi Tabata [...] has admitted to sexually assaulting the woman

It's not just her word. (And it's not just women who can be victims, by the way....)

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ok so I've read Japanese news, it said the woman who he was dating and the woman who he took photo (it was actually a video) was the same person.

On Christmas eve, they went out, she was so drunk she had no memory of the night.

They came back to her house, she was so drunk she passed out, he "slept with" her while she was sleeping and then videotaped it.

the woman found out about the video later on and was very angry, she decided to report it.

I guess the story is a bit more clear now.

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20-30 year gap relationships are not always all about money but more often than not, they are. He's a pig, and she's a lazy loser.

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He offered her an apology and a million yen. He must have been shocked when she declined. Will he be found guilty though? I wouldn't bet on it. Judges see this as yet another opportunity to remind Japanese women that if they pursue these cases, they will be victimized all over again.

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But it is kind of scary to think that when a woman says rape, it is a rape.

It's only scary if you believe that women lie about rape more often than rape actually happens. And since less than 4% of rape charges are found to be false, it seems reasonable to state that generally speaking, women don't lie about rape.

I can also add this. Women gain nothing and lose a lot when they report rape, which is why it is estimated that only 4% of rapes are reported in Japan.

So think about this: less than 4% of rapes are even reported, and of those reported, less than 4% are found to be false.

Now tell me: which is scarier? Women reporting rape, or men raping?

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So think about this: less than 4% of rapes are even reported, and of those reported, less than 4% are found to be false. 

Now tell me: which is scarier? Women reporting rape, or men raping?

Less than 4% of men rape. So men shouldn’t logically be scary as a group by your logic, since it’s just a small number.

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StrangerlandToday 06:37 am JST

Less than 4% of men rape. So men shouldn’t logically be scary as a group by your logic, since it’s just a small number.

Where did you get that statistic from? Did you just copy my 4% figure? If you did, then it's not accurate, obviously.

Just so you know, my stats came from two sources. First, the stats for false reporting came from the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (ttps://www.nsvrc.org/) who uses various published studies along with FBI stats. They say false accusations, as opposed to unsubstantiated (e.g., dropped charges) or baseless (meaning, doesn't meet the legal definition of rape) are 4%. Obviously, this may be inaccurate for Japan, but I doubt the stats for Japan, if one could find them (it's not easy) it cannot be so very different that it would make my point invalid.

The stats for the number of reported rapes came from figures quoted in a book on sex crimes written by a former Japanese prosecutor, and are quoted in an article here: http://www.japansubculture.com/who-matters-sexual-assault-and-inadequate-police-response-in-japan/

In addition, even if your stats are valid, it still doesn't mean that women should not be afraid of being raped. Regardless of the number of men who rape, the number of rapes remains the same. One rapist, many rapes.

Now tell me: which is scarier? Women reporting rape, or men raping?

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Now tell me: which is scarier? Women reporting rape, or men raping?

They are both scary scenarios, that is why it is important to get the facts together before making any judgements.

She was pissed off that she decided to "get him" and pull him off from his position.

Rape is scary, but to be called a rapist (even if you were innocent) is also scary. It is not about the percentage but it is the possibility that scares me.

He didn't admit that he raped the woman (girl friend), he admitted that he slept with the girlfriend while she was drunk and asleep. He didn't think it was a rape, and I probably wouldn't think it'd be a rape if my boyfriend did it with me while I was asleep, what pissed her off was the taking video part.

I would probably be pissed if anyone took any video of me while asleep naked (and doing things I had no memories of).

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And then quickly dismissed after a mysteriously padded envelope finds its way into the victim's hands.

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Yes, if she tell him NO, means NO

There were no other word required.

So, the rape allegations are 100% correct regardless of any exchange or situation.

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fishyToday  11:01 am JST

They are both scary scenarios, that is why it is important to get the facts together before making any judgements.

Again, it’s only scary if you believe women lie about rape more often than men rape. And as accusations are false less than 4% of the time, it seems your fear is misplaced.

And yes, it’s important to understand all the facts, which it seems you do not:

She was pissed off that she decided to "get him" and pull him off from his position.

You have no evidence of this. It’s your personal supposition and I’m afraid it additionally comes off as very biased.

The man was arrested and then admitted to sexual assault and to taking photos without consent. What other evidence is required before it’s reasonable to say a rape was committed?

Rape is scary, but to be called a rapist (even if you were innocent) is also scary. It is not about the percentage but it is the possibility that scares me.

But the percentage IS the possibility. A woman has roughly a 20% chance of being raped while a man’s chance of being falsely accused is less than 1%.

And if you redefine the parameters slightly to women experiencing some type of sexual assault, that percentage goes up to nearly 100%.

He didn't admit that he raped the woman (girl friend), he admitted that he slept with the girlfriend while she was drunk and asleep. He didn't think it was a rape, and I probably wouldn't think it'd be a rape if my boyfriend did it with me while I was asleep, what pissed her off was the taking video part. 

Again, you don’t seem to know the facts of the case.

He admitted to sexual assault.

They were dating. She was not his steady girlfriend.

You are supposing he didn’t know it was rape, despite the fact he fully admitted that it was; thus, he had to have known. Again, your suppositions are not based on facts.

How you might feel about your boyfriend personally is irrelevant. How this woman felt about what was done to her (without her consent; by someone she was dating) is all that’s relevant to this case.

You seem to be inferring that if the woman knows her attacker, then it’s less likely to be rape. But the majority of rapes aren’t stranger raped - the majority of women are raped by friends, acquaintances, boyfriends, and even husbands.

It seems you’e not very well informed about rape statistics. If it helps, I can provide you some links where you can learn more.

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Now tell me: which is scarier? Women reporting rape, or men raping?

They are both equally scary to me.

You seem to be saying that men aren’t being reasonable by being scared of a woman absolutely destroying their lives based on false allegations, because women have had to deal with rape. That’s some messed up logic.

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You are supposing he didn’t know it was rape, despite the fact he fully admitted that it was; thus, he had to have known. Again, your suppositions are not based on facts.

He fully admitted? How do you know?

He admitted that he "slept with her" while she was asleep. How do you know he had to have known? He "fully admitted" that he didn't think it was rape. What he admitted was that he slept with her while she was sleeping - In this news article, the writer wrote that he admitted to sexually assaulting the woman - it is scary how certain wordings can give certain impression of how the original phrase.

He admitted to sexual assault.

Says the article. He admitted that he had sex with her while she was asleep (and did not know it was rape/assault). Now, it does not make it OK and it does not justify the videotaping, but I am saying that what's written in the article (especially that more than often, original phrases are not accurately translated in English news article).

But the percentage IS the possibility. A woman has roughly a 20% chance of being raped while a man’s chance of being falsely accused is less than 1%.

Not talking about this particular case here but I would hate to be that 1% and then dismissed because the percentage is small.

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Sorry I posted before I finished typing...

but I am saying that what's written in the article (especially that more than often, original phrases are not accurately translated in English news article).

what's written in the article isn't always accurate.

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StrangerlandApr. 25  01:18 pm JSTNow tell me: which is scarier?

They are both equally scary to me. 

You seem to be saying that men aren’t being reasonable by being scared of a woman absolutely destroying their lives based on false allegations, because women have had to deal with rape. That’s some messed up log

The average woman has a 20% chance of being raped. That’s 4 out of ten women. That means you absolutely know several women who’ve been raped. I have a friend who’s been raped twice. Another friend was molested by her father. Yet another was raped by her friend’s boyfriend.

Women have to live in fear of rape and must take special precautions, such as avoiding walking alone, making sure a friend knows where they are if they go on a blind date, carrying pepper spray, not jogging after dark, and so on. It’s drilled into our heads from age 8 or 9, as soon as we’re aware of sex, that there are bad men who might hurt us. I watched on the news recently where a 10 year old girl was followed in a car and had to hide behind a truck as the guy went back and forth, trying to see where she’d hidden.

Tell me. When was the last time you took special precautions to protect yourself from false accusations, and how old were you when your mom or dad told you that you needed to guard yourself just in case?

I’m betting never.

Men don’t need to worry about being prosecuted and their life ruined due to false accusations any more than they need to worry about being attacked by a bear.

It’s rare, unlikely to happen, and if you spent any time at all worrying about it on a daily basis, it would be unwarranted.

Is my logic clearer now?

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fishyApr. 25 02:30 pm JST

He fully admitted? How do you know?

He admitted that he "slept with her" while she was asleep. How do you know he had to have known? He "fully admitted" that he didn't think it was rape. What he admitted was that he slept with her while she was sleeping - In this news article, the writer wrote that he admitted to sexually assaulting the woman - it is scary how certain wordings can give certain impression of how the original phrase.

He admitted to sexual assault.

Says the article. He admitted that he had sex with her while she was asleep (and did not know it was rape/assault). Now, it does not make it OK and it does not justify the videotaping, but I am saying that what's written in the article (especially that more than often, original phrases are not accurately translated in English news article).

But the percentage IS the possibility. A woman has roughly a 20% chance of being raped while a man’s chance of being falsely accused is less than 1%.

Not talking about this particular case here but I would hate to be that 1% and then dismissed because the percentage is small.

I'm not even sure how to reply to this. You seem to be saying, without having any evidence, that the article is wrong. If you have reason to think that JT didn't translate the article correctly, wouldn't you do your best to find out, and then request it be corrected?

I would suggest that if you have some evidence that the article is not factual, you should get JT to take it down.

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The average woman has a 20% chance of being raped. That’s 4 out of ten women. That means you absolutely know several women who’ve been raped.

I do have friends who have been raped. It's absolutely disgusting. The guys who did it were sick bastards.

Tell me. When was the last time you took special precautions to protect yourself from false accusations, and how old were you when your mom or dad told you that you needed to guard yourself just in case?

Unfortunately, when I was younger, I didn't take any precautions to protect myself from false accusations, nor did my parents prepare me for such a thing. So you can imagine my shock when I was falsely accused of groping a girl (fortunately, not to the police, only to other people).

Now you can try to downplay the likelihood of false accusations, but that doesn't change the fact that they do happen, and they are horrendous as well. I was fortunate in that this girl only made this claim to other people, and not the police, but others aren't so lucky, and their lives are literally ruined. It's almost impossible to come back from a false accusation, because even if it's found to be fake, some people will still believe it.

It’s rare, unlikely to happen, and if you spent any time at all worrying about it on a daily basis, it would be unwarranted.

Actually, I do worry about it. As the person in charge of a number of females, I am very careful to always have meetings with the door open, or someone else present, unless these options just aren't possible. You can say it's not worth worrying about daily, but if I slip up and get falsely accused, I'll lose my business, and my family and many employees would lose their livelihoods. This is not something to be downplayed with 'don't worry about it, it probably won't happen'. Because if it does happen, the consequences are disastrous, so not being concerned about it daily would be irresponsible, particularly seeing as I've experienced it happening first hand.

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a christmas date in Japan has a very strong romantic connotation...

leaving that aside,

I wonder how many times they had already dated before

...also why was he in her home? did he break into her house?

a little more information please...

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also why was she sleeping naked with him there?

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I'm not even sure how to reply to this. You seem to be saying, without having any evidence, that the article is wrong. If you have reason to think that JT didn't translate the article correctly, wouldn't you do your best to find out, and then request it be corrected?

I would suggest that if you have some evidence that the article is not factual, you should get JT to take it down.

I didn't say the JT article was "wrong" but the translation was rather not accurate.

I say so because I've read articles about this particular case in the original language. He said 当時は犯罪に当たるとは思わなかった, meaning he did not realize that it'd be a crime at the time, therefore I questioned your remarks about "he had to have known". He said he didn't realize it'd be a crime.

Once again, I say that this doesn't make what he did was not wrong, in case you might think I'm siding with the man (I am not).

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I wonder how many times they had already dated before

...also why was he in her home? did he break into her house?

Japanese news said that the  two had been dating for 3 months.

Why was he at her house? They had a Christmas eve date and went back to her house after dinner/drinks - she was drunk and fell asleep.

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I didn't say the JT article was "wrong" but the translation was rather not accurate.I say so because I've read articles about this particular case in the original language. He said 当時は犯罪に当たるとは思わなかった, meaning he did not realize that it'd be a crime at the time, therefore I questioned your remarks about "he had to have known". He said he didn't realize it'd be a crime. Once again, I say that this doesn't make what he did was not wrong, in case you might think I'm siding with the man (I am not).

While it is true you did not use the word "wrong", you said it "isn't accurate", and strongly implied that you didn't believe the woman had actually been raped. You additionally made up facts and presented them as truth, such as "She was pissed off that she decided to "get him" and pull him off from his position." which you could not possibly know.

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While it is true you did not use the word "wrong", you said it "isn't accurate", and strongly implied that you didn't believe the woman had actually been raped. You additionally made up facts and presented them as truth, such as "She was pissed off that she decided to "get him" and pull him off from his position." which you could not possibly know.

I have read in Japanese news article that she said ビデオを見て許せないと思ったwhich means after seeing the video I thought I couldn't forgive him.

Hence my comment she was pissed off that she decided to get him.

While my wordings weren't exactly what she said, that was my interpretation of her words.

Yes, like you said, I didn't use the word "wrong" and chose to use the words "not accurate" because I didn't agree with the choice of word "assault", given the fact there wasn't a clear "no" from her and they were bf and gf staying in one bed.

I guess you and I won't reach an agreement so let's just agree that we disagree.

There were some good points in what you said so thanks for sharing your opinions.

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