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I am highly surprised to see that all the people are prejudiced about the Japanese legal system and in general Japan. Come on folks Japan is a great country. If this guy was innocent why did he escape?

Japan being a great country doesn't mean people are prejudiced about its legal system.

We just know more than you do about this case.

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I am highly surprised to see that all the people are prejudiced about the Japanese legal system and in general Japan. Come on folks Japan is a great country. If this guy was innocent why did he escape?

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The scene between Saikawa-san and the prosecution office...

Despite what Henny Penny might lead you to believe, there was no scene between Saikawa and the prosecution office. The Nissan board told him to step down, and he did. End of story. He was never picked up by the police, and therefore never had to confess.

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Thank god , the French Amb told him. See there are fairness in the world. Long live the french Amb.

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The scene between Saikawa-san and the prosecution office...

Q: Did you under-reported earnings?

A: Yes.

Q: Did you violated the breach of trust?

A: Yes.

Q: Did you misappropriated company funds?

A: Yes.

OK. Just say you're sorry, resign and go home to your family. Enjoy life.

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Henny PennyJan. 15  03:49 pm JST

-Why is Saikawa not arrested?

Why should he be arrested? He has already “confessed” and agreed to pay restitution. People posting here should be consistent. It has been repeatedly asserted here that arrest and prolonged incarceration is to get people to confess. If that is indeed the case there is no point in arresting people who have already admitted wrong doing.

If a person robs a bank ¥47 million yen and confessed to it, he needs not to be arrested?

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tinawatanabeJan. 15 06:58 pm JST

It's called 主君押込 which means liegemen reluctantly incarcerate their lord who behaves arrogantly or personalizes his power.

Never heard of the 4 letter Kanji. Maybe Chinese expression.

All kanji's are Chinese expressions. But just for the record:

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%BB%E5%90%9B%E6%8A%BC%E8%BE%BC

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Hire a Japanese CEO next time. You picked a clown from Renault who cut down on quality of cars produced, besides being a thief and criminal he did a poor job! With customers being disappointed with the shortcuts made because of this clown.

@AlexBecu

What part about Ghosn rescued Nissan from near bankruptcy don’t you understand? If it weren’t for Ghosn, we wouldn’t be hear talking about this case, because there wouldn’t be a Nissan to talk about. And the entire educated world knows that.

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It's called 主君押込 which means liegemen reluctantly incarcerate their lord who behaves arrogantly or personalizes his power.

Never heard of the 4 letter Kanji.  Maybe Chinese expression.

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-Why is Saikawa not arrested?

Why should he be arrested? He has already “confessed” and agreed to pay restitution. People posting here should be consistent. It has been repeatedly asserted here that arrest and prolonged incarceration is to get people to confess. If that is indeed the case there is no point in arresting people who have already admitted wrong doing.

-Even after he being sent to detention facility, he still had no clue what's going on. Only after French envoy told him that Nissan turned against him then he realized there is a plot.

Connect your own dots. Even though there were and still are a number of foreign nationals in Nissan top management including the foreign national who blew the whistle on Ghosn, not one of them told Ghosn what was going on. That shows this is not a simple Japanese vs non-Japanese thing.

-The shamelessness is so blatant it just boggles the mind. Saikaiwa literally did exactly the same thing Ghosn is accused of yet

No, he did not. There are multiple charges against Ghosn. The charges against Saikawa are a subset of those against Ghosn.

-Nissan has already pleaded guilty, mooting this point.

Indeed and not just in Japan but in the US before the Securities and Exchange Commission. Not obvious to me why a factual statement such as this should receive down votes.

-Ghosn has already listed the conspirators. Now they have bullseyes on their backs.

The foreign press was generally in agreement that at his press conference Ghosn did not say anything new and did not name any names that were not already known.

I would also note that while some may think Hari Nada is a Japanese, he is a foreign national, born in Malaysia of Indian ancestry. Moreover, he is quite literally a “person of color” as can be seen from his photographs.

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Ousted Renault CEO Bollore raised concerns over Ghosn investigation

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ousted-renault-ceo-bollore-raised-135000883.html

 Renault's former chief executive Thierry Bollore, who was ousted in October, had sought to flag alleged conflicts of interest and governance problems at the company's Japanese alliance partner Nissan before his departure, Le Monde reported on Monday.

The Renault side had already began to discover the hypocrisy of charges against Ghosn early on in the investigation.

Citing a letter from Oct. 7 addressed to Nissan's board, of which he was member, France's Le Monde newspaper said Bollore had raised questions over the firm's internal investigation surrounding former alliance boss Carlos Ghosn.

> Bollore said in the letter that he was particularly concerned by the revelation that Nissan had a list of 80 managers implicated in financial dealings similar to the ones attributed to Ghosn.

This is why Nissan are trying to make plans to change the rules for the Board of Directors. They want to reduce the power of Renault because the Japanese side are trying to save themselves before they are replaced or worse. The truth is coming out!

Ghosn has already listed the conspirators. Now they have bullseyes on their backs.

Karma is something else!

In comments sent to Reuters, Nissan spokeswoman Azusa Momose denied there were any irregularities in its internal investigation of Ghosn's affairs, and added that the company had reviewed its processes once again following Bollore's letter.

Yet, the news coming out and the Japanese side not having any evidence without incriminating Nissan and the other Japanese executives!

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This is very interesting. I'd like to hear what the France Diplomatie have to say about this. That could make or break the credibility of this allegation.

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Traditionally Japanese hate the excessive concentration of power. The same kind of thing with what happened to Ghosn this time happens now and then in the Japanese history. It's called 主君押込 which means liegemen reluctantly incarcerate their lord who behaves arrogantly or personalizes his power.

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Ghosn was completely railroaded by Saikawa. Karma is a bitch!

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Nissan has already pleaded guilty, mooting this point.

Not only that, they spend 200 Million dollar to handle Ghosn. So when Ghosn being arrested they already and Nissan go to press release no more than 3 hours, they already prepare for that. No other Japanese companies can give press release that fast.

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His account is far more believable than theirs

Also least some of Ghosn's side of story already being confirmed by media, of course more to come. Nissan always said that Ghosn arrest has nothing to do with alliance but more facts are emerge.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-01-13/nissan-executives-step-up-plans-for-possible-renault-split-ft-video

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From the very beginning when Ghosn was arrested, I suspected this was an inside job to oust him. Now, he says he was told by a French envoy immediately after his arrest that this was indeed a plot.

But this is just an allegation or mere speculation until it is proven true in the course of court hearings. To my chagrin, however, he escaped Japan illegally, flouting Japan’s justice blatantly and thus jeopardizing everything .

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@expatToday  12:11 pm JST

His account is far more believable than theirs is, particularly because they have produced no compelling evidence that does not also implicate Nissan.

Nissan has already pleaded guilty, mooting this point.

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Seems only fair that since the Japanese authorities were more than happy to feed the media info and allow them to try Ghosn in the press that the DoJ and Tokto Prosecutors' Office are now being given the same sort of treatment. His account is far more believable than theirs is, particularly because they have produced no compelling evidence that does not also implicate Nissan.

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Abe has been quite quiet on this matter. I wonder if his timing to leave the country has anything to do with the timing of the news that keeps coming out about Nissan.

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Of course, it was a Japanese plot. Even Stevie Wonder can see it!

I am waiting for the staunch Japanophiles and Japanese nationalists to spout the ole "How dare you attack my culture?" outrage and "You don't understand Japanese culture!" excuse.

It always happens when there is no logical reason for actions taken by the Japanese system.

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Tokyo prosecutors said his allegations of a conspiracy were false and that he had failed to justify his acts

As I have previously stated, this case is PERFECT for The Hague.

It will bring to light just how outrageous the Japanese “Justice System” is.

Both parties; The Japanese Government and Ghosn MUST AGREE to abide by the Ruling, WHATEVER the outcome.

Let the Games Begin:

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Former Nissan CEO Hiroto Saikawa, who was forced to resign last year after admitting that he had received improper compensation, told a news conference shortly after Ghosn's arrest that Ghosn had been using corporate money for personal purposes and under-reporting his income for years.

The shamelessness is so blatant it just boggles the mind. Saikaiwa literally did exactly the same thing Ghosn is accused of yet he has spent this whole time free as a bird, and is even still being cited as a source for denunciations of what Ghosn did without any hint of irony, while Ghosn has been either in detention, under egregiously strict bail, hiding inside a musical instrument box or in Beirut.

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Ghosn was set up and arrested getting off a plane, and so therefore was already in the system.

Or that what they thought until he showed up in news conference, now they still have that problem.

https://japantoday.com/category/business/ghosn-escape-proves-fresh-headache-for-ailing-nissan

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Why is Saikawa not arrested?

Hostess bars, Golf and lots of brown envelopes and maybe just maybe being Japanese has something to do with it too........

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Lesson to be learned here.

Hire a Japanese CEO next time. You picked a clown from Renault who cut down on quality of cars produced, besides being a thief and criminal he did a poor job! With customers being disappointed with the shortcuts made because of this clown.

Nice narrative there. Completely untrue, but nice narrative.

Seriously, spend some time reading about the history of Nissan since the late 1980s. Even Ghosn's fiercest critics would never spout the nonsense you just wrote.

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Because he confessed. That's what the legal system is all about here. If you confess, you're more or less free to go for white collar crimes. It's when you try to plead your innocence and fight the system that you get detained and interrogated for years without a trail.

Quite different scenarios. Saikawa never got arrested in the first place. Nissan handled it internally, which is what Prime Minister Abe said they should've done with Ghosn. Ghosn was set up and arrested getting off a plane, and so therefore was already in the system.

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Why is Saikawa not arrested?

Err, he bowed, he apologized, he was let off the hook. Japanese Justice System (Double) Standard?

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"When he told me that 'two hours or three hours later, after your arrest, Saikawa went in a press conference and made his infamous statement where he said, you know, 'I am horrified, but what I'm learning...' So when he told me he made these statements, I said 'Oh my God this is a plot.'"

So therefore Saikawa knew about the over-compensation, because he himself was receiving it. But when called out, all he had to do was apologise and resign, all forgiven.

Complete nonsense.

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Why is Saikawa not arrested?

Ghosn mentioned names that involved behind inside plot they are Hiroto Saikawa, Hitoshi Kawaguchi, Masakazu Toyoda, Hidetoshi Imazu and Hari Nada. Of course none of those plotter being arrested, not only that Nissan spend 200 million dollar to get him.

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Why is Saikawa not arrested?

Because he confessed. That's what the legal system is all about here. If you confess, you're more or less free to go for white collar crimes. It's when you try to plead your innocence and fight the system that you get detained and interrogated for years without a trail.

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Sh1mon M4sada,

you forgot to mention the court room must be one of public opinion where all sides are equally heard.

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It hurts so much. I believe Japan as a whole will suffer for this. I see Saikawa soon being charged on different charges since he’s probably immune from being a deep throat turncoat.

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Don't become of CEO of a Japanese company, unless you're Japanese.

Unless Japanese or clean. I let you google : "Quand le singe veut monter au cocotier, il faut qu'il ait les fesses propres".

Note that's valid for Saikawa too. He's fallen from the tree too, just from a lower branch.

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"Frankly, I was shocked by the arrest and the first thing I asked is make sure Nissan knows so they can send me a lawyer," Ghosn told Reuters in an interview in Beirut. "And the second day, 24 hours from this, I received a visit from the French ambassador who told me: 'Nissan is turning against you'. 

Even after he being sent to detention facility, he still had no clue what's going on. Only after French envoy told him that Nissan turned against him then he realized there is a plot. After that he still need to figure out things by himself to find out what is really happening, inside detention faculty with minimum communication to outside world.

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Lesson to be learned here.

Don't become of CEO of a Japanese company, unless you're Japanese. Loyalty stops at the border.

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meh, PR campaign to restore what's left ofvhis integrity. The only forum to properly clear his crime is in a court room.

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The government's handling of this is incredibly poor as well, really showing up the country. The government, industry and the general population showing their true colours but this time in front of an international audience, in fact explicitly for one. It's not as easy to convince people elsewhere though

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quercetumToday  07:48 am JST: Why is Saikawa not arrested?

Ouch! Thats a very intelligent question :)

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Lesson to be learned here.

Hire a Japanese CEO next time. You picked a clown from Renault who cut down on quality of cars produced, besides being a thief and criminal he did a poor job! With customers being disappointed with the shortcuts made because of this clown.

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So the Saikawa issue was conveniently "handled internally"...

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To those who are asking why Hiroto is not arrested with his 'crime'?

Wall Street Journal, September 9, 2019:

"Junichiro Hironaka, a lawyer for Mr. Ghosn in Japan, said last week that while Mr. Ghosn is accused of hiding compensation that he never received and is facing a lengthy prison sentence as a result, Mr. Saikawa did receive excess pay and isn’t facing criminal charges.

Mr. Hironaka called this “clear discrimination against foreigners.

This pisses me off to no end. "Confess" and "Bow"? Bull Shaving cream!

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Do the Hustle

Nissan - Mitsubishi - Renault are already merged as it is.

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Tokyo prosecutors said his allegations of a conspiracy were false and that he had failed to justify his acts.

Quite contrary, the Japanese side has failed to back or justify its treatment of Ghosn. It has not properly refuted or disproven any of Ghosn's allegations.

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Former Nissan CEO Hiroto Saikawa, who was forced to resign last year after admitting that he had received improper compensation,

Why is Saikawa not arrested?

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LooKS like Saikawa was trying to railroad Ghosn before being found out but its backfired and grown out of their control

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It’s interesting to note how this plot came about shortly after Ghosn joined Mitsubishi. It would seem this is about sour grapes from him leaving Nissan.

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