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Truck maker Hino says emissions data faked for 20 years

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Corruption runs deep in Japan. It’s everywhere and it’s ongoing.

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In other countries this would be the end of the company, in Japan a few not so important people will lose their jobs and the problem will be declared solved.

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Hino Motors, a truck maker that’s part of the Toyota group, systematically falsified emissions data dating back as far as 2003

20 years of deception — that’s some serious kaizen!

16 ( +37 / -21 )

Oh dear. This is bad. Have these guys never heard of reputational risk?

14 ( +17 / -3 )

President Satoshi Ogiso bowed deeply at a hastily called news conference and apologized to customers and other stakeholders.

20 years ago, where were you in the company? Your apology is meaningless, unless you decide to fall on your sword and resign too!

14 ( +24 / -10 )

"President Satoshi Ogiso bowed deeply at a hastily called news conference and apologized to customers and other stakeholders"

Job well done.

0 ( +14 / -14 )

In other countries this would be the end of the company,

Please share what countries. No country is going to shut down one of it's premier international conglomerates because of something like this. Fine the hell out of them maybe, but not end it.

13 ( +18 / -5 )

In other countries this would be the end of the company, 

Volkswagen is still around, last I heard.

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VW also faked data unfortunately it seems to be a tendency of the automobile industry- https://www.bbc.com/news/business-34324772

Having said that...20 years makes Hino a little special in this regard.

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In 2 decades nobody checked Hino’s data?

That seems like a bigger failure.

17 ( +20 / -3 )

Business is business. We chose to be a capitalism led system. So do anything, everything for personal wealth. I would even sell my mother if I could get a Mazzerati.

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The experts told reporters the company's leadership failed to engage with frontline workers, putting numerical goals and deadlines first and sacrificing operating procedures.

In other words, telling lies for profit!

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So no punishment reported except a deep bow. I wonder if anyone has told him how many vehicles western car companies had to repair and buy back for doing a similar thing.

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In a 17-page report, it blamed an “inward-looking and conservative culture” at the company that led to a lack of involvement and solidarity among the employees.

That is late stage capitalism for you.

Workers divorced from the fruits of their labor and a corrupt executive and shareholder class maximizing profit at all costs.

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No country is going to shut down one of it's premier international conglomerates because of something like this

Why would the end of a single company would mean shutting down the whole conglomerate?

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20 years of deception — that’s some serious kaizen!

The Circle of Continuous Deceit

6 ( +9 / -3 )

The lead photo in the article shows a Hino truck emerging from the Toyota Auto Body California plant in Paramount CA. I wonder if the emissions cheating affects Hino trucks sold in the US, and in particular in California?

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Teams that were developing engines knew they couldn’t meet targets and felt so pressured they falsified test results, Ogiso said.

This is some Soviet-style number fixing. Only in the Soviet system it was done for the bosses to save face. Here, it's purely for profit.

No safety problems are believed to be involved, Ogiso said.

Emissions are a safety issue!

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Phil Today 08:03 am JST

So no punishment reported except a deep bow.

This will certainly not be enough, it will have huge consequences.

The problem isn't actually that they sold something "defective", like a failing brake the article mentions. That could have been solved with a recall or a rebate or some other form of compensation.

Faking emission data has much bigger implications. Lots of countries base taxes and subsidies based on a vehicle's emissions. Companies decide their vehicle fleet based on that. Fake emission data will prompt an evaluation of those taxes and subsidies, causing unplanned supplementary payments, with especilally big implications on publicly traded companies.

Read it this way: the vehicle manufacturer faking their emissions data causes another company to unknowingly commit tax fraud.

They will file regress claims against the manufacturer. This is what happened in the Volkswagen scandal.

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Of course, even cars Emission - Data is faked too, just drive behind any automobile new or old open your windows and enjoy the CO2 breeze, it will choke you.

Motorcycle and bike riders will tell you all about it.

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""The experts told reporters the company's leadership failed to engage with frontline workers, putting numerical goals and deadlines first and sacrificing operating procedures.""

Shortly it's called Profit$ before the environment, safety, or even the well being of society.

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Unfortunately, this kind of **** is widespread in a variety of industries and not just in Japan. You don't make the numbers, even the impossible ones, you get fired. Unfair work environments lead to lying and distrust, and the buck should stop with management setting unrealistic and naïve goals that result in people being pushed to give fake numbers.

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No problem! fraud is part of Japanese culture!

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Deeply sorry? Are they going to be fined? I hope they are fined in multiple countries for billions, this is unexceptable.

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What, no one arrested?

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You walk by plenty of idling Hino trucks in Japan. -cough- -cough-

VW got smacked with a huge fine for their similar deception on diesel engine emissions in the US (probably Europe too). I'm not holding my breath this will happen in Japan. -cough- -cough-

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Fined billions??? Are you dreaming gogogo? We all know a few deep bows and a remorseful look on the President's face is ALL that it takes in Japan for those in a high social position with connections to get let off the hook.

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Who decides and taxes emissions, the same ones with multi cars, planes, and homes, at their disposal?

A company tries to stay within ridiculous boundaries set by those who personally don’t observe them, only tax others for the privilege of following or breaking their “rules”.

The only “green” the globalists are concerned with, is their own pile of it.

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The California Attorney General will surely look into this.

The lead photo in the article shows a Hino truck emerging from the Toyota Auto Body California plant in Paramount CA. I wonder if the emissions cheating affects Hino trucks sold in the US, and in particular in California?

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it blamed an “inward-looking and conservative culture” at the company that led to a lack of involvement and solidarity among the employees.

Sadly, this is quite widespread among Japanese companies. But, also in global companies like Amazon and Starbucks where there is a lack of solidarity.

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No problem! fraud is part of Japanese culture!

yeah right go take look at VW.

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In other countries this would be the end of the company, 

Yeah right. Do you mean like VW and Boeing?

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Gogo ,lots of these executive will be in American jail,just like the Volkswagen Emissions Scandal

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The experts told reporters the company's leadership failed to engage with frontline workers,

J leadership 101

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

Fraud is part of every culture.

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VW's then-CEO

Correction: that was VW's chief engineer who was sentenced to 7 years.

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In other countries this would be the end of the company, in Japan a few not so important people will lose their jobs and the problem will be declared solved.

Seems to be a lot of anti Japan posts here. This is happening all over the world. Look at what VW and Boeing did! (They are still around as well.) I think it's quite common with a lot of vehicle manufacturers. What gets me is why can't there be an independent emissions tester on these vehicles? Wouldn't that solve the problem?

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Corruption runs deep in Japan. It’s everywhere and it’s ongoing.

Yeah right, and the west is clean???

West deals with its problems, Japan just dithers...decades behind the "advanced countries ", as usual. But you knew that didn,t ya , our entertaining sock puppet?

-6 ( +8 / -14 )

naisu ne.

one bowing and problem "solved"

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

“I am so deeply sorry,”

These words make the investigation unnecessary.

They should get their bonuses and do business as usual.

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And in a few years the EV industry and government will reveal the shocking news that zero emission is not actually zero!

Come on, does anyone actually believe anything the car makers claim?

Has one person ever actually got the claimed litre per kilometers (miles per gallon) manufacturers claim? On that fact alone the rest is immediately suspicious.

So to buy a trunk, car motorcycle etc.. based on research or testing done by the maker and their information is naive.

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"Hino said it takes the findings seriously..."

OBVIOUSLY! I mean, they've been taking it seriously for over 20 years! As always, it's not "We did it", it's "it was done" and no one is to blame, just regretful circumstances and promises to change and be transparent from here on in.

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Captain Obvious Today 09:25 am JST

What gets me is why can't there be an independent emissions tester on these vehicles? Wouldn't that solve the problem?

Not really. In VW's case the vehicles actually passed the tests, because they manipulated the cars' software so they would pass the tests. Any independent tester running the same tests -- synthetic tests which are and really have to be standardized -- would just find them to pass, too. The issue was that the cars did not behave the same outside of the tests, in real world usage, at all. And that's when it beame conspicuous. In the end a German hacker disassembled the car's software and found the routines to "behave well in tests".

Hino's case is a bit different, they falsified the test results. The problem is that the governments only check the test results for plausibility. They would have the means and regulations to be able to verify the test results, but ... they don't. That has been practice for years, across the world, across all manufacturers. It's not a big secret that, if testing would be more thorough and closer to real world usage, most cars would fail regulations. But governments have traditionally been turning a blind eye in order to not impede a "crucially important industry".

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All the truck companies in Japan work in cahoots with one another. They base their own company targets for improvements to new models on the data all the others produce. Companies get their hands on new models from other companies to test them themselves, and use the results to help their own development.

Therefore, it's inconceivable that for the last 20 years Mitsubishi Fuso, Isuzu, and UD Trucks had no idea that this data from Hino was fake. Also, as their own targets and incremental improvements have tracked the market leader Hino, it calls into question the accuracy of their data too.

I predict we'll be hearing from the CEOs of these companies within the next few days / weeks.

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Unrealistic emmission targets set by people who are not engineers, proven by other auto makers who have not been able to meet these targets over the years.

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When VW had its " little problem" the silence from other manufacturers was deafening.

Of course they were all doing the same thing.

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“I am so deeply sorry,”.....we were caught.

Hino's turn to wear the 'Kick me!' sign. I wonder who management upset?

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

No safety problems are believed to be involved

That's totally not believable

Japan is turning out to be a very corrupt country

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President Satoshi Ogiso bowed deeply at a hastily called news conference and apologized to customers and other stakeholders.

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Teams that were developing engines knew they couldn’t meet targets and felt so pressured they falsified test results, Ogiso said. That led to more deception, as workers covered up their wrongdoing. No safety problems are believed to be involved, Ogiso said.

Damn these teams who cheated customers, stakeholders and...management! (#sarcasm)

BTW, to those pointing to the VW-scandal, here a pretty detailed recap of the fallout:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Legal_and_financial_repercussions

In a nutshell: fines, class actions, criminal charges pressed against the management, the works.

In Japan, will things go beyond a "hastly called news conference" and a bowing session? Not holding my breath...

It's really hard to believe that one and a half century ago, some Japanese were committing ritual suicide to atone for what were sometimes trivialities...How times have changed...

-5 ( +6 / -11 )

But how do the trucks pass emissions during the shaken inspections and emissions tests overseas?

is this shaken thing just a big money making scam? I would like to believe it was for safety and environmental standards.

Or the data was just faked to increase sales opportunities.

questions, and "it will be looked into" and a lot of bowing will usually suffice in this case.

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...Promise to educate the workforce....?? Isn't it better to educate the top management?

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