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Japanese chef nabbed for sex with underage girls in Jakarta

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Disgusting! The whole world should do more to protect children sexually exploited in developing Countries. The main clients are usually people from "developed Countries", that in their motherland are often above suspicion.

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This is disgusting. The world should do more to stop the sexual exploitation of children.

Wouldn't it be nice if Japan put more law enforcement resources into cracking down on exploitation of children here?

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@Tommy Jones: of course. But this article it's about childrens' sexual exploitation in Indonesia, and my comment was related to the topic.

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Does Japan have a law that makes going to another country for underage sex illegal? If not, it should do.

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Luddite - Does Japan have a law that makes going to another country for underage sex illegal?

Australia just introduced the same law, which was specifically targeted at Indonesia and so-called 'sex tours'. If caught, they face having the passports cancelled and will never be allowed to leave Australia again.

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@Disillusioned: only that? No jail? It looks a too much weak penalty. I don't know how the situation is in Japan, but I doubt it's better, probably it is worse. I fear this 'sex tours' market isn't treated seriously enough in the developed Countries, that are the main source of clients for children exploitation in developing Countries. I think there's a double standard: laws are stricter for the same kind of crime if this happens inside the Country borders rather than in developing Countries.

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If caught, they face having the passports cancelled and will never be allowed to leave Australia again.

This is what I heard too. But I think it's appalling that they don't go to prison, the last I heard.

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@ThePBot: exactly, it's shoking. So, they are considered dangerous pedophiles only if they abuse of children inside their own Country. This is why I said in my first post that the whole world should take way more seriously this problem. There's a huge double standard between how laws are applied inside and out of a Country, even though the crime is the same.

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@ThePBot - But I think it's appalling that they don't go to prison,

How could they be put in prison if the offense was not carried out in Australia? Think about what you are saying people! Having their passports cancelled is a kind of prison sentence because Australia was/is a penal colony. :D If they get caught doing the same thing in Australia they will be facing 7-10 years in prison and go onto the child sex offenders' list. Japan should do the same thing for child sex offenders instead of giving them a slap on the wrist and letting them be a new person in a neighboring prefecture.

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@Disillusioned: I don't understand your point, honestly. Why can't the States to create a law that puts in prison their citizens involved in 'sex tours'? So, the crime must happen AGAIN in their own Country, before these perverts can be put in jail?

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Australia just introduced the same law, which was specifically targeted at Indonesia and so-called 'sex tours'. If caught, they face having the passports cancelled and will never be allowed to leave Australia again.

No point in having such a law if they aren't going to do time. The UK has a mandatory prison sentence for those convicted of going abroad for underage sex.

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I hate going to certain countries because I get hassled by pimps or prostitutes. Just because I’m a foreigner. Last time I was in Bali, I was approached about 30 times for a massage while with my sister in law in one hour. When I walked on my own, I was approached about 30 times in an hour for a “special” massage. My point is, their are plenty of sick perverts who create a market from foreign countries.

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 aged 11 and 13, 

A preference for prepubescent girls. I wonder how many he has already abused before being arrested.

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Children everywhere need to be protected from all types of exploitation and abuse. I do not differentiate, as all types of abuse and exploitation are just as evil and just as damaging. In this particular case in Indonesia, with the age of consent being 18, the girls would obviously have been under aged. This makes the offence much more egregious and heinous. The problem is that age of consent varies all around the world and even in some European countries it is as low as 14 or 15 and essentially that is a child. I am not sure which age governments from Australia or UK use to prosecute, the age of consent in the offenders country or the age of consent in the country the person has had sex.

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execution will set a good example

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@Tommy Jones: of course. But this article it's about childrens' sexual exploitation in Indonesia, and my comment was related to the topic

By a Japanese man, which makes my comment also related to the topic.

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How could they be put in prison if the offense was not carried out in Australia? Think about what you are saying people!

Because the country from which you claim citizenship has jurisdiction over you no matter where you are.

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@Tommy Jones: sure, but I had got the feeling you were correcting my comment or something like that, implying I was off topic. Anyway, no problem.

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Because the country from which you claim citizenship has jurisdiction over you no matter where you are.

That would depend on whether their home country has extradition treaties with the country where the offence occurred, and/or where the culprit is located. If there is no extradition treaty then the home country has no means by which to exercise their jurisdiction.

Also, would/should/does this extend to residents of the country or only citizens. For example if a foreign resident of Japan abuses some kid in Indonesia, does Japan have rights to penalize the person upon return?

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 If there is no extradition treaty then the home country has no means by which to exercise their jurisdiction

Until the individual returns to their home country. Lack of ability to exercise jurisdiction does not effect whether jurisdiction exists.

Also, would/should/does this extend to residents of the country or only citizens. For example if a foreign resident of Japan abuses some kid in Indonesia, does Japan have rights to penalize the person upon return?

That would depend on the wording of the law. Most law's cover "individuals," which would mean residents are also covered. Some laws, like Japan's human rights laws, only apply to citizens. (Yep, non-citizens in Japan have no domestic guarantee of their human rights.).

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Alex: Glad we are on the same page,".

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Anyway, the final sentence of the article says the police is hunting other foreigner clients of the syndacate, reminding how global the issue is. This is why I spoke in general about how it's a well known fact that the main clients of children exploitation in developing Countries are from the so called "first world Countries", and not all of them are treating the problem properly.

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@Goodlucktoyou - I hate going to certain countries because I get hassled by pimps or prostitutes. Just because I’m a foreigner.

I guess you've never walked down a street in Japanese city then. Go to any of the major stops in Tokyo, Chiba and Kanagawa and you'll have plenty of girls (mostly Chinese) hassling you for massage or a 'special' massage.

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Back on topic please.

There are countries that jail these guys once they get to their home countries. All developed countries should be doing the same. Passports revoked, jail time, sex offender registry.

Yes, lots of Asian prostitue here. Because the are most often trafficked in here and heaven forbid they try and report it to the police. They get arrested, deported and the Japanese pimps/yaks get nada in return. Isn’t Japan ranked amongst the top developed countries for human trafficking?

One shouldn’t ignore the underage sex industry here. Enjokasai - “compensated dating” because heaven forbid japan admits it has an underage prostitute issue. JK dates, clubs... Its underage prostitution. And why do people think it’s okay? Perhaps due to sickening T&A mags that feature 13 year olds? The allowance and promotion of school girl uniform festishes and the like? Females constantly being displayed as mere objects rather than people.

And let’s not forget this isn’t just Japanese guys. I can’t tell you how many disgusting western men I’ve had to sit and listen to describe the fun they had in places like Thailand and Cambodia. I’ve yet to see a western male call out these “men” when discussing such things. Step up guys when you see it or hear it. Silence is part of the issue.

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And let’s not forget this isn’t just Japanese guys. I can’t tell you how many disgusting western men I’ve had to sit and listen to describe the fun they had in places like Thailand and Cambodia. I’ve yet to see a western male call out these “men” when discussing such things. 

If I was ever with a guy who was talking about having fun with underage prostitutes in Cambodia or Thailand (or anywhere else), I’d have an earful for them. If they were doing something legal however I would see no need to.

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You, might have had, prostitutes often lie about their age. Going to check their wisdom teeth first?

Seen it in Phuket, Bangkok often ditto for transgender.

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execution will set a good example

I agree. I see you first got a down vote for this comment. Probably from one of those "the world should do more", "the world should do more" folks.

What exactly do you think "the world" could do that they are not already doing? Execution would certainly have a quick physical and psychological effect on the perps and pimps. I'm sure Jakarta officials. the UN and some other nonprofit groups are doing the best that they can.

Why don't YOU do something. Learn Judo and how to shoot and clean up the streets Chuck Norris style? Or make a fancy outfit that looks like a bat or something?

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Glad he was caught there and not here. If it were here it would be dismissed after he paid a small fine, at worst.

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pacint: "You, might have had, prostitutes often lie about their age. Going to check their wisdom teeth first?"

Yeah, pacint... an ELEVEN year old might have duped the kiddy-fiddler into thinking she was.... what? 12? Why am I not surprised you would stick up for such a person?

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Oh, the old learn MA melon.

The McDojo will only end you up in the ER.

Take it from someone who served, done 40+yrs MA and counseled/trained rape victims.

No that easy, your average person is not hard-wired to kill or injure someone, takes a lot of training, etc to change that.

Add in legal situations and you will see why 93% of Self Defense claims are thrown out.

There is a good free home out there called 'The Flinch' aimed at boxers as that is the 1st hurdle they need to overcome.

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You, might have had, prostitutes often lie about their age. Going to check their wisdom teeth first?

No, in such a case the guys wouldn’t be bragging about sleeping with underage prostitutes because they wouldn’t know they were underage.

I would hope guys would be diligent about checking age, but I can believe some guys wouldn’t be as diligent as they should be.

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He has been charged under the 2014 Law on the Protection of Children "for persuading a child to perform obscene acts." If found guilty, he faces up to 15 years in jail and fine of up to 5 billion rupiah

Looks like Indonesia takes drug trafficking (even for small amounts) far more seriously than child sex abuse, which is imo 'a bit' of a shame.

Thing is many so called 'poor' nations turn a blind eye to child sex tourism for $ and, sometimes, cultural reasons. Same, or even worse, on our "western/rich nations' end, we are reacting rather than acting, that's what happened in oz after some particularly horrific cases in recent years ( Peter Scully was labelled 'the worst pedo ever' when arrested in the Philippines last year, was big news in oz and imo the catalyst for oz govt to finally act/react). Child sex abuse, on home soil or abroad, is unfortunately NOT a priority for many/most nations (church child abuse handling/response has been a joke in many countries).

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You, might have had, prostitutes often lie about their age. Going to check their wisdom teeth first?

Seen it in Phuket, Bangkok often ditto for transgender.

I hope, and think, I misunderstand what you're saying pacint. Imo blokes, especially when they are on the wrong side or 30/40, should not approach anyone (prossies or not, at home or abroad) who looks 'barely legal'.

Imo, pedophilia isn't just a passport/legal age thing but a much broader moral problem.

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What exactly do you think "the world" could do that they are not already doing?

Create more economic equality in the world so pimping and prostituting aren't as attractive.

Legalize prostitution for those 21 and over to take the crime out of it.

Create more equality between the sexes so females aren't victimized by males.

Or, instead of putting in the effort to create a better world, we could just execute people that do this for the "quick physical and psychological effect on the perps and pimps."

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Goldorak.

I agree certain age groups should intermingle. Not my experience from travels, many underage talliances, GF for the duration of holiday (many lured into marriage to bring family overseas, many more).

But alas I see many falling in the trap what happens on Holiday, stays on Holliday.

Fact, people on holiday have more sex and risky at that.

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Create, Create, Create. So dreamy.

Only God Creates. Everything else takes money and will.

Legalize prostitution for those 21 and over to take the crime out of it.

Prostitution is legal in Australia and New Zealand, yet both are still high in rape stats.

most are trying to create a better world, but if you think you/we can do this tomorrow, then pray for aliens.

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Prostitution is semi-legal back home (long story), hence it is heavy controlled as to where and with whom it can happen, prostitutes also need bi-weekly checkups and show their cards, etc.

Granted still much unauthorized stuff going down.

Rather than creating laws(needed), how about researching why people are attracted to younger members(both sexes).

Given human history it will never get resolved.

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Unlike Japan, Indonesia seems to take these kind of offences seriously, that's good.

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Japan takes it more serious than most overseas 1st world countries.

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The crimes committed by the vile and evil Japanese man will be punished with absolute severity. Traditionally rapes of children carried the death penalty in the Christian West.

Hopefully the evil and horrifying Japanese criminal who raped these children will be sentenced to life in prison with similar criminals.

Sexual contact with children is statutory rape.

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I doubt it will get harsh punishments, too may out there who willingly receive a brown envelope or other greasing of the palm. And it just might start with judges, lawyers, etc.

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execution will set a good example

snip the Willy is enough.

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only thing that surprises me is that he wasn't nabbed for this in japan.

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If I was ever with a guy who was talking about having fun with underage prostitutes in Cambodia or Thailand (or anywhere else), I’d have an earful for them. If they were doing something legal however I would see no need to.

So I got two downvotes for the above comment. I wonder if the posters had a problem the idea of me giving an earful to guys who use underage prostitutes, or if they had a problem with me not giving an earful to guys for something legal. Either way, seems messed up, and says something about the downvoter's personality. They are either pedophiles, or feel that people should not be allowed to do legal things.

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Nasty, nasty man.

I was in Bangkok in September last year for a conference, and I really didn't want to go. It's filled with old, western men getting their hands on young/younger Thai women, and it's seedy as. Thing is though, that it appears kind of 'normalised', in that there are so many of them doing it, and they all hang out together with their girls and don't bat an eyelid about it - there is no embarrassment or shame, just a kind of opportunistic, circumstantial sexual Nirvana that they all revel in. It's parallel universe stuff. Some of the girls are clearly young.

My onwards flight was to Australia, and the boarding lounge was filled with about 60% single white men over the age of 50.

Seedy stuff.

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It's filled with old, western men getting their hands on young/younger Thai women, and it's seedy as. Thing is though, that it appears kind of 'normalised', in that there are so many of them doing it, and they all hang out together with their girls and don't bat an eyelid about it - there is no embarrassment or shame

I’ll admit I’ve found this part of Thailand distasteful myself, as it’s petty sleazy. But that’s my own bias - I don’t see why theee guys should feel embarrassment or shame. It’s a mutually agreed upon relationship by consenting adults, and they are not doing anything illegal.

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pacint: "Rather than creating laws(needed), how about researching why people are attracted to younger members(both sexes)."

Wow, talk about euphemism. People are often attracted to younger people because youth is the peak of physical fitness, but attracted to CHILDREN, who are not yet emotionally or physically matured, is a different story. Change "younger" in your statement to "CHILDREN", and you might have a point. People in their early 40s are younger than I am, but that's whole different world than people who are barely in their teens.

"Japan takes it more serious than most overseas 1st world countries."

Nonsense. As with gambling, they say it's "illegal" and just call it something else; you can still go to the 'donation window' next door to get your treasures. If Japan is more serious, why are they only trying now, and failing, to crack down on "enjou kousai" (more euphemism)? a term which, by the way, there is no equivalent in English. Why is it that you can see signs with women dressed as JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL girls in "soap lands" or "health salons"?

Japan doesn't take it more seriously, they are just more serious about hiding it. Fortunately, as I said, this man was caught in Indonesia. I hope he gets life.

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Smith when I say younger I mean younger.

Now if I would want to talk about pre-teens or pre-pube scent children I would make it clear.

Happy new Year.

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But that’s my own bias - I don’t see why theee guys should feel embarrassment or shame. It’s a mutually agreed upon relationship by consenting adults, and they are not doing anything illegal.

You are right, and that's my own filter at play also. But whilst the 'agreement' is mutually beneficial, I venture to suggest that if the girl's had other options, they'd be taking them. It's clearly a case of older, relatively moneyed men leveraging their situation against that of their girl's for their sexual gratification, and I personally find that sort of basement level human exploitation.

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I venture to suggest that if the girl's had other options, they'd be taking them. 

I’m sure. But in Thailand they do have other options. It’s been a couple of years since I checked, but last I did the unemployment rate was like 0.5%. It’s one reason Service is so bad in Thailand, because people know they can go get a job really easy somewhere else. Their economy is booming.

And I think most people would do something other than they are if they had other options. Life is about playing the options you have.

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Despicable POS. Crimes against children should be met with swift and severe punishment.

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Pbot, et al:

The country where crime occurred could ask for extradition since it happened in that country. SOFA is an exception, but this is not the case here.

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Once again, many of you are arguing from an emotional pov. The ability to prosecute and ajudicate a crime committed in another country is legally dubious. It's like japan forbidding any of its citizens to litter, and if they are caught littering in another country , then japan will prosecute them when they return to Japan.

Many laws start out as noble causes, but they can end up being twisted and perverted in the end.

This chef deserves to serve time in Indonesia, and that should be the end of the case.

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Macv:

Execution for this crime would encourage the perp to execute their victim to prevent reporting and there would be no incentive to keep child alive as the punishment would be the same (or worse) for murder. Also, those in for murder are much more regared than pedos.

Zadesh:

When are you referring to? Which countries? Rape (of females of any age) in the "Christian west" involved being forced to either marry the victim or support them for the rest of their life. This obviously did not apply to other races other than the predominate back then. But yes, extrajudicial punishment (mobs) could execute the perp.

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The ability to prosecute and ajudicate a crime committed in another country is legally dubious.

No, it isn't. Some countries already have a law enabling this and have convicted men who have gone abroad to abuse children. The law was brought in to try to protect all children, especially in countries where a bung to someone in authority can make any criminal problems go away.

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Tamarama: "It's filled with old, western men getting their hands on young/younger Thai women, and it's seedy as."

You DO know there is an ENTIRE street called "Momo-dori" that is restricted to Japanese businessmen, don't you? It is all Thai women dressed up in yukata and kimono who shout "Irrasshaimase!" and "Goshujin-sama", etc. A buddy and I started walking down the street out of mere curiosity and were told to "Go back. This street for Japanese only!" So, enough of the "old, western (sic) men...", there are plenty of non-Western men (and maybe even women), too.

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All readers back on topic please.

Zadesh:

You may be referring to adultery in the bible where the punishment was death.

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Australia just introduced the same law, which was specifically targeted at Indonesia and so-called 'sex tours'. If caught, they face having the passports cancelled and will never be allowed to leave Australia again.

Yeah wonderful. Sure we can't ship them to some deserted island with croc and shark infested waters surrounding it?

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I really don't see how him being a chef has got anything to do with this story.

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Definitely dumber than a doorknob decision.

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I really don't see how him being a chef has got anything to do with this story.

It sounds better than 'some random guy was arrested'

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This is disgusting... No matter how fast a child's body physically mature.

The state of their minds is still innocent and young.

We shouldn't insist our own ideals/beliefs/desires because we think

they've physically mature. Their minds are still immature...

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You DO know there is an ENTIRE street called "Momo-dori" that is restricted to Japanese businessmen, don't you?

No, I don't know that.

A buddy and I started walking down the street out of mere curiosity

Did you now? Not enough just to know that it's there, Smith?

So, enough of the "old, western (sic) men...", there are plenty of non-Western men (and maybe even women), too.

Get off your high horse, man. I'm relating to what I saw and experienced in September.

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Typical. Not the least surprised.

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In the early twentieth century America and many European nations carried out the death penalty for child rape. Statutory rape is sexual contact with children whether or not they consent. The reason is because children cannot consent because they do not have the maturity and understanding to assent to sexual contact.

The death penalty for child rape and sexual contact is a great idea. Vile and evil adults who touch or rape children must be executed for such grievous and horrifying acts.

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Sex trips to Thailand under the banner of golf trips are very or were very common in the bubble times for Japanese men. This is not a Western white man only disease. The only white men I know who use prostitutes are over 40 and single (i.e., never been married). I agree they are oddballs. Married white guys I know are almost without exception not going to prostitutes and especially not taking sex trips.

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These children as being used as pawns and cash cows. It's all around the world. Even once in Canada I was approached by a native Ojibwa boy on a tourist train. If a kid asks you for a cigarette, that's a big cue of child prostitution. It's not just in Asia.

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pacint: "Smith when I say younger I mean younger."

So, here we are talking about a guy caught for having sex with CHILDREN (and not "children" in the Japanese, anyone under 20 sense, but kids barely above ten) and you are talking about how there shouldn't be laws passed but just studies done about why a 60 year old might like someone who is 55.

Well done. No wonder Japan is such a haven for this kind of behaviour. Like I said, glad he was caught in Indonesia, and I sure hope he's punished there, too.

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alex ,he will go to jail at jakarta.

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