JR employee arrested over groping incident on train in Ishikawa

I need money, can I accuse someone of groping me if they brush against me accidentally ?

And... sadly, since when is a "Suspect" made Public - "Ryoya Yuda" is now simply a Publically convicted person, regardless whether or not he is actually convicted in Court.

Something is really wrong with the Reporting here!

As for Groping... Japanese Manga - such as that portrayed within popular Comic books like "One Piece" makes it seem the Norm. Perhaps if times are changing here, then Manga needs to change too.

And... sadly, since when is a "Suspect" made Public - "Ryoya Yuda" is now simply a Publically convicted person, regardless whether or not he is actually convicted in Court.

Unfortunately that what happen from time to time in Japan, people automatically become guilt

identified Yuda from platform surveillance camera footage.

It's platform camera not camera that inside train, please show us actual proof.

I have had conversations with girls in Japan of all ages in a town hall style meeting ~ and most of the young girls tell me they have been groped on the train and then froze and said nothing and did not report it to anyone out of fear of causing problems. So the guys here in Japan feel a sense of power and confidence in that they will never be caught. Passengers sometimes see this happening but also do nothing to stop it. Gives me pause for thought.

JTC

As for Groping... Japanese Manga - such as that portrayed within popular Comic books like "One Piece" makes it seem the Norm.

And that is a big part of the problem.

Perhaps if times are changing here, then Manga needs to change too.

Manga, and other influential media, needs to take the initiative. Society is greatly influenced by such media. So, a positive change in such influences would most likely lead to a positive change in societal behavior.

JTCToday 07:02 am JST

I need money, can I accuse someone of groping me if they brush against me accidentally ?

> And... sadly, since when is a "Suspect" made Public - "Ryoya Yuda" is now simply a Publically convicted person, regardless whether or not he is actually convicted in Court.

Something is really wrong with the Reporting here!

You feel perfectly confident in accusing a teenage girl of lying about sexual assault?

Sexual assault is incredibly common, and women don't generally lie about it due to the shame associated with being assaulted.

Something is wrong here, but it has nothing to do with how this was reported in the news.

sakurasukiToday 07:10 am JST

It's platform camera not camera that inside train, please show us actual proof.

Oh, "actual" proof, because a teen girl is likely to lie about having been sexually assaulted. Gotcha.

name_not_importantToday 06:56 am JST

Note to news writers; please consider replacing the words 'groping' and 'molesting' because they diminish the seriousness of the crime. It is sexual assault and a very serious life-changing crime that should have zero tolerance.

It does make a real difference in the language you use in the media, and I wish the Japanese language would change too from 'ちかん' to 性的暴行

This, 100%.

Whenever I read these stories, and see commenters dismissing it as "only groping" or using other such language to downplay the incident, it's pretty clear that language really matters. That is why I always use the term "sexual assault" since that is exactly what groping is.

This is sexual assault.

@girl_in_tokyo

Oh, "actual" proof, because a teen girl is likely to lie about having been sexually assaulted. Gotcha.

Because he said she said is enough to have 100% accuracy? Try yourself to distinguish between one salaryman with another salaryman during rush hour, all with people are being squeezed, you won't have no clue which hand is which.

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/teachers-conviction-for-groping-girl-on-bus-overturned-by-tokyo-court

It's happened in past when a person wrongly convicted, luckily he fought back.

the incident occurred at around 7:30 a.m. on Nov 2.

sakurasukiToday 10:31 am JST

Because he said she said is enough to have 100% accuracy?

Oh, of course - do you suspect that all crimes reported might not be 100% accurate, or only sexual assaults? For example, what if someone reports their wallet stolen? Should we be skeptical they are telling the truth?

Try yourself to distinguish between one salaryman with another salaryman during rush hour, all with people are being squeezed, you won't have no clue which hand is which.

I'm gussing you have not ever been molested on the train. It's not hard to figure it out when the perp is breathing heavily in your ear. Trust me. We know who is doing it.

It's happened in past when a person wrongly convicted, luckily he fought back.

So you're not doubting that she was assaulted; you are merely saying she might have pointed out the wrong guy. Hm. Okay.

It would appear from the scant information that something may have occurred, given that he was seated next to her.

If they were standing and the train was crowded to the point that people were crushed against each other, that would require a lot more in terms of clear proof.

Oh, of course - do you suspect that all crimes reported might not be 100% accurate, or only sexual assaults? For example, what if someone reports their wallet stolen? Should we be skeptical they are telling the truth?

Some people do lie of being victims, some others they just can't point the right person.

https://www.health.com/mind-body/why-would-somebody-lie-about-being-a-crime-victim

I'm gussing you have not ever been molested on the train. It's not hard to figure it out when the perp is breathing heavily in your ear. Trust me. We know who is doing it.

Not necessarily, in some condition victim have no idea who's actually doing it, sometimes they just want to get someone pay whoever they are, innocent or not.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3114817/Man-spent-three-years-teenage-life-jail-without-charged-dead-suicide.html

name_not_important Today 09:55 am JST

This is a short succinct article about it:

Is Japan Safe for Women?

Questioning the “Japan is safe” narrative on International Women’s Day

JULIA MASCETTI

https://metropolisjapan.com/japan-safe-for-women/

I have pointed this out on a number of occasions and due to that, have continually been downvoted and called a misandrist, among other things.

But the article is absolutely spot-on: sexual assault and harassment, especially on trains, isn't taken seriously enough.

I will say this: the situation has improved somewhat since the early 90's. Back then the station attendants wouldn't do a damn thing, and the police would either disbelieve you entirely, or else just pat you on the back and send you home.

Now it seems station attendants are quite reliable in calling the police for you, and the police will at least take a report. Depending on the circumstances, they might even take you seriously and begin a real investigation - as seems to have been the case with this girl.

At the same time, as per the article, "violence against women is consistently talked about in this country, often in a flippant or even erotic manner, but never addressed as a serious social problem."

Too many men joke about wanting photos as proof, or make other similarly flippant comments. And too many men demand "real evidence," as if women would lie about something that is seen as humiliating and shameful. And too many men downplay the effect that such incidents have on women, as if being sexually assaulted is just something we can shake off and not let effect us, or that it is something we just have to tolerate to move about in public spaces. Finally, too many men disbelieve women, call them liars, or even put the blame on the woman, as if men are incapable of controlling their sexual urges.

Enough is enough. It's far past time to address the root of the problem in society: a strong patriarchal culture that doesn't value women.

It also means putting more cameras in train cars, training the police to deal with victims in a more humane way, better policing overall so that reports are taken seriously and investigated, and making laws stronger and punishment more severe.

I would 100% agree with not naming suspects if investigations were complete and punishments more severe, which would include eliminating the perp's ability to just pay off the victim as so often happens.

He touched her but didn’t grope her? It’s the same thing loser! It’s common assault whereas groping is sexual assault. It’s about time these creeps started to get severely punished for assaults on teenage girls. It’s the only way to stop these perverted losers.

I have pointed this out on a number of occasions and due to that, have continually been downvoted and called a misandrist, among other things.

I'm not saying that groper and sexual assault doesn't exist, I only pointed out for any instance they should have enough proof, like evidence or eye witness not only he said she said. If victim say so then he must be guilty, that's absolute fallacy.

Especially in Japan public shaming is common that innocent people just being publicized anyone who still a suspect, that's why due process matters!

@Lindsay

He touched her but didn’t grope her?

Do you ever use public transportation in Japan big cities during rush hour? Give yourself a challenge, try not touch any passenger during that time, is that even possible?

@Lindsey touching and groping are not the same thing. I inadvertently touched a girl’s leg or butt yesterday morning on the train, who was jammed against me, when I was trying to exit. Is that groping? Kind of impossible not to touch someone on morning commutes when you literally have to physically push them in order to get on or off a train. Touching is not groping but groping is a form touching.

sakurasuki Today 12:33 pm JST

I'm not saying that groper and sexual assault doesn't exist, I only pointed out for any instance they should have enough proof, like evidence or eye witness not only he said she said. If victim say so then he must be guilty, that's absolute fallacy.

Especially in Japan public shaming is common that innocent people just being publicized anyone who still a suspect, that's why due process matters!

I agree publishing the accused name without the proper evidence can indeed be harmful - but at the same time, this is done for all crimes, not only sexual assault. You seem to be singling out sexual assault accusations as being different from other accusations. Or do you think the names of those accused of burglary, shoplifting, bribery, kidnapping, assault, murder and other crimes also should not be published? If your position on that is consistent, fine; otherwise, rethink why that may be.

You also seem to be singling out sexual assault allegations as requiring more proof than other crimes, in saying that the victim's statement should not be seen as enough evidence to charge the accused.

If someone had their wallet stolen, their house burgled, or accuses someone of physical assault, would you require more than the victim's personal testimony? Again, if your position is consistent across all types of crime, fine; but if you believe sexual assault accusations require more or extra evidence than other types of crime, then you should re-examine why you think this way.

Do you ever use public transportation in Japan big cities during rush hour? Give yourself a challenge, try not touch any passenger during that time, is that even possible?

You seem to think that women can't tell the difference between a man accidentally bumping into them or being squeezed tightly against them in a crush, and a man purposefully touching them in a sexual way.

Trust me. We know the difference.

@name_not_important - How about calling it "groping, which is a form of sexual assault". Of course "it was only groping, not rape" can be used in the wrong way - but arguably that is an attitude problem, not a word definition problem. Going the other way - "rape is no worse than groping, because they are both sexual assault" - that's not acceptable is it. Changing words doesn't necessarily change attitudes. So maybe start with the attitudes?

@girl_in_tokyo - Have you "Sore de mo boku wa yatte inai"? I must say I wasn't convinced the guy was innocent - but most Japanese people (including women) who I talked to seemed to believe he was innocent, even though most Japanese women riding trains regularly have been groped (I believe).

Not challlenging you at all ! - just thought you would find the movie and public reaction to it interesting (or maybe maddening).

@girl_in_tokyo

You also seem to be singling out sexual assault allegations as requiring more proof than other crimes, in saying that the victim's statement should not be seen as enough evidence to charge the accused.

Because it's based on she said and he said, which anyone can say anything they like to ruin people life, either in purpose or not. Effect on accused can be devastating, in Japan that person can lost their job and livelihood.

https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Yovino-sentenced-to-1-year-in-false-rape-case-13177363.php

https://nypost.com/2016/04/04/teen-falsely-accused-of-brooklyn-gang-rape-to-sue-the-city/

You seem to think that women can't tell the difference between a man accidentally bumping into them or being squeezed tightly against them in a crush, and a man purposefully touching them in a sexual way.

Because when someone in angry and shock, it's not necessarily best evidence at all. In fact some of them can grab innocent person as perpetrator.

https://aramatheydidnt.livejournal.com/358759.html

charles chevauxToday 01:31 pm JST

@girl_in_tokyo - Have you "Sore de mo boku wa yatte inai"? I must say I wasn't convinced the guy was innocent - but most Japanese people (including women) who I talked to seemed to believe he was innocent, even though most Japanese women riding trains regularly have been groped (I believe).

Not challlenging you at all ! - just thought you would find the movie and public reaction to it interesting (or maybe maddening).

I know of it. The public reaction to it was mixed, as you said. I am not in a place to judge that man's guilt or innocence, but I will say the film was valuable in placing a spotlight on the way the Japanese police conduct investigations. It's well worth saying here that the justice system has its issues.

But that does not mean, as others here seem to be saying, that women lie about sexual assault, or that there should be an extra burden of proof placed on the woman to prove she was assaulted.

Women can make mistakes in regard to who the perpetrator was, but it is also the case that most of the time it's pretty damn clear who the perpetrator was. And placing that extra burden onto the woman is misplacing the responsibility, which should be on the police.

Which is why I advocate fully for more cameras, better public education, and other means of ensuring such crimes don't happen in the first place.

sakurasukiToday 01:35 pm JST

Because it's based on she said and he said, which anyone can say anything they like to ruin people life, either in purpose or not. Effect on accused can be devastating, in Japan that person can lost their job and livelihood.

Why would a woman chose a random man on a crowded train in hopes of ruining his life? She would have to be mentally unstable. And do you think the police can't recognize when someone is mentally unstable?

Because when someone in angry and shock, it's not necessarily best evidence at all. In fact some of them can grab innocent person as perpetrator.

I would say the opposite: if someone is angry and in shock, their attention will be focused entirely on the perpetrator and they will not forget what the looks like.

And as someone who had experienced this on many different occasions, I can also tell you that these perverts don't always wait for the cover of a large crowd. Much of the time it is not that hard to know which guy was the one who groped you. More than once someone has groped me when there was no one else nearby. Some young salaryman put his hand on my leg when he was sitting next to me. The train wasn't at all crowded. He just thought I wouldn't stop him.

But your larger point, that there can be cases of misidentification, while true, is also not the point of this discussion. Misidentifcation can also happen in other types of crime as well, which is why it is up to the police and the judge (not the victim) to sort things out.

Automatically doubting women when they report a crime is not the solution - it only leads to emboldening the men who do this because they know all they have to do is play innocent. In fact, that is pretty much how it has worked until very very recently.

Also keep in mind that the police don't arrest anyone unless they have good evidence that they think will hold up in court. You need an arrest warrant to arrest someone, and that will not be granted without evidence. So at the point where someone is arrested, you can bet there is evidence. Whether that evidence will hold up in court is an issue for the court to sort out.

I’ve been on crowded trains and sometimes school girls or female office workers would fall on my lap. Then there is the frequent incident of women sleeping on my shoulder.

I always wake them or raise my arms up in the air.

I would 100% agree with not naming suspects if investigations were complete and punishments more severe, which would include eliminating the perp's ability to just pay off the victim as so often happens.

Totally agree tot that. Police and justice work obviously lacking, due to culture.

Problem is Japanese culture is what it is.

Also, if groping is existing, I don't believe the level makes it rampant and that damaging.

It is deserving punishment but there are far more worst cases to take care of, ie rape.

Proof of fact is groping is still and seems never to become a fight for Japanese women. One has to accept that they accept it, contrary to our western christian values.

Again, no woman on my Japanese ever had a groping situation. None also for some ladies I know on some congested lines.

That becomes stats for dozens of lifetimes.

Either they all lie (women liars? Of course not), or it is fact.

Also notice no politician has ever taken that groping issue to national level.

As for definitions, I would distinguish just touching for groping, and sexual assault whdre there was physical restrain. Not at all same level of psychological impact in my humble opinion.

Hope justice to be well served, but that is even another matter !

Gaijinjland - @Lindsey touching and groping are not the same thing

They the same thing if the girl he touched was uncomfortable enough to report it to her parents. Furthermore, this creep was sitting next to her not standing in a packed train.

@girl_in_tokyo

| "And as someone who had experienced this on many different occasions, I can also tell you that these perverts don't always wait for the cover of a large crowd. Much of the time it is not that hard to know which guy was the one who groped you."

Sure. And in this case the culprit was clearly identified by camera. If the girl can clearly describe what happened that should be sufficient evidence .

| "Why would a woman chose a random man on a crowded train in hopes of ruining his life? She would have to be mentally unstable. And do you think the police can't recognize when someone is mentally unstable?"

Actually I don't think police judgement should be the final word. They don't have the training, nor is there a defense lawyer. It is better they collect evidence and let the court decide. Therefore I don't think suspect names (for any crimes) should be revealed until conviction. It works both ways - it's predictable that police would see some women as "unstable" unfairly.

@girl_in_tokyo

Which is why I advocate fully for more cameras, better public education, and other means of ensuring such crimes don't happen in the first place.

That's it really. Monbusho could put in the curriculum, as well as awareness about bullying. Start early.

Jonathan PrinToday 03:32 pm JST

It is deserving punishment but there are far more worst cases to take care of, ie rape.

Thank you for letting us ladies know that there is an Offcial Hierarchy of Damage created by you, the Very Important Personage Mr. Jonathan Prin, that we may consult before we decide how we should feel when we are sexually assaulted.

Also, if groping is existing, I don't believe the level makes it rampant and that damaging.Proof of fact is groping is still and seems never to become a fight for Japanese women. One has to accept that they accept it, contrary to our western christian values. Again, no woman on my Japanese ever had a groping situation. None also for some ladies I know on some congested lines. That becomes stats for dozens of lifetimes. Either they all lie (women liars? Of course not), or it is fact.

Funny but the police stats don't agree with you. I wonder who is right, you or the National Police Agency? It must be you, because after all, what would the National Police Agency know about crime?

Also notice no politician has ever taken that groping issue to national level.

Oh, I see. Unless a politician has taken an issue to the national level, it is a made-up issue. Thank you for that bit of intelligent reasoning.

As for definitions, I would distinguish just touching for groping, and sexual assault whdre there was physical restrain. Not at all same level of psychological impact in my humble opinion.

Thank you, sir, for giving us ladies a clear definition that we may consult when we are sexually assaulted. We were clearly in need of A Man's Opinion, since our little lady-brains are incapable of discerning such things for ourselves.

This is sexual assault. Tokyo Living where are you ?

It could well be how ever the guy has denied he touched her sexually

quoted him as saying he might have touched the girl sitting beside him but he did not grope her.

he partially denied the charge

No he has fully denied the charge of sexual misconduct. However he has admitted that it is possible that he may have touched her which can happen when you sit down on an overcrowded train. (I personally can't stand being cramped in a train with people I don't know...Gross)

During rush hour in London, when the sliding doors cannot close, an official will stand with his back to the doors to push the crowd of passengers bavck into the carraige so the doors could close.

If this is the same situation in the Tokio metro, Yuda can truthfully claim that he did not grope the girl next to him but his body could have been pushed against her body by the other passengers in the carraige packed like sardines in a tin.

Stephen ChinToday 05:11 am JST

During rush hour in London, when the sliding doors cannot close, an official will stand with his back to the doors to push the crowd of passengers bavck into the carraige so the doors could close.

If this is the same situation in the Tokio metro, Yuda can truthfully claim that he did not grope the girl next to him but his body could have been pushed against her body by the other passengers in the carraige packed like sardines in a tin.

He was sitting next to her.

And I'm not sure why you think women are so eager to falsely accuse a man of groping. Believe me when I tell you that we know the difference between being crowded by people and being groped by one.

JamesToday 12:03 am JST

It could well be how ever the guy has denied he touched her sexually

No he has fully denied the charge of sexual misconduct. However he has admitted that it is possible that he may have touched her which can happen when you sit down on an overcrowded train. (I personally can't stand being cramped in a train with people I don't know...Gross)

Hm. I'm not sure why so many men think that women are this eager to falsely accuse men of groping them. Do you not think women can't tell the difference between a guy's leg bushing theirs when he sits down next to her, and a guy reaching his hand over and touching her sexually?

I wonder how many more times I will have to write this today.

I don’t think women are eager to falsely accuse men of groping. Fact is, trains in Japan are notoriously overcrowded and people are uncomfortably packed in like a can of sardines and reaching for your phone in your pocket can easily be misconstrued as an attempt to grope. Also nobody has pointed to the fact that the girl is 13 and very well could have misconstrued the whole thing. Japanese, if they’re guilty, usually break and confess immediately. Or the guy could be guilty.

GaijinjlandToday 08:15 am JST

I don’t think women are eager to falsely accuse men of groping. Fact is, trains in Japan are notoriously overcrowded and people are uncomfortably packed in like a can of sardines and reaching for your phone in your pocket can easily be misconstrued as an attempt to grope.

An attempt, yes. But within a moment, we breath a sigh of relief when we realize, "Oh, that was just his bag/he was getting his phone/that's a woman".

Trust me: women know the difference between a quick and accidental brush against her bum, and a hand groping her bum.

Then again? Some men pretend to reach for their phone as a cover for brushing against your bum. But we are clued in when it happens the third time.

And you may be surprised to know, but we are fairly tolerant when it comes to being squished up against men on the train. We tolerate more touching than you can possibly fathom.

Also nobody has pointed to the fact that the girl is 13 and very well could have misconstrued the whole thing. Japanese, if they’re guilty, usually break and confess immediately. Or the guy could be guilty.

Right, because as young as 8 or 9, as girls we are not already well aware that men are predators and can't tell the difference between a man brushing our leg when he sits down, and a man putting his hand on our thigh and rubbing it.

I think the first time a man tried to touch me inappropriately was when I was about 10. My friend's daughter was flashed not long ago, and she is 11. It starts early, and it continues throughout our lives.

And no, Japanese men don't confess when they have molested you. Mostly they just pretend they didn't hear you accuse them and try to act like you aren't even talking to them. Duck their heads, avert their eyes, try to move away. On occasion they will yell back at you, call you ugly or fat and insult you, so that everyone knows you are beneath them and they'd never touch a ugly bee eye tea sea aich like you. The more rare one, but also the most dangerous, will just gleefully laugh, and try it again. I've had to fight off more than one of those, though they are usually in bars, not trains. However, one of those types actually followed a friend and I though the train as we tried to get away from him. No one helped; we had to jump off at the last minute as the doors were closing.

They never confess or apologize because at heart they don't think it's wrong, because they believe women are below them and that it's their right to do with women as they please.

I have had conversations with girls in Japan of all ages in a town hall style meeting ~ and most of the young girls tell me they have been groped on the train and then froze and said nothing and did not report it to anyone out of fear of causing problems. So the guys here in Japan feel a sense of power and confidence in that they will never be caught. Passengers sometimes see this happening but also do nothing to stop it. Gives me pause for thought.

That is true, but it is not only Japan, every coward who does that in the whole world, has that same feeling..

As for Groping... Japanese Manga - such as that portrayed within popular Comic books like "One Piece" makes it seem the Norm. Perhaps if times are changing here, then Manga needs to change too.

Keep dreaming, lol..

Notice how my posts get downvoted whenever I speak about my experience with sexual assault.

What does that say about you, as a human being, that you do that without saying a word as to why?

Ask yourself why hearing womens' stories makes you angry instead of gaining more empathy.

And keep in mind: the reporting rate in Japan for rape is 4%.

For every woman who speaks out, there are hundreds more who are silent.

http://spring-voice.org/

Notice how my posts get downvoted whenever I speak about my experience with sexual assault.

What does that say about you, as a human being, that you do that without saying a word as to why?

It is not about your experience notice all your posts have been down voted not just the one you talk about your experience on.

I do feel concern for you though it seems to have been an understandably traumatic experience for you an I suggest you to get some counseling. I also assure you that not every man does these things and the law is supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. However you are saying guilty until proven innocent and that is why you are down voted.

In any other country, these experiences you describe would result in the perpetrator being put behind bars.

If it was proven in court with evidence you are correct and that is the same here. as with New Zealand some people are accused and also released from a lack of evidence. the only difference here is if you admit it then you are slapped with a fine and released the same day. If you don't admit it you could be held for 23 days then slapped with another arrest and held for a further 23 days unless you admit your guilt. Or the charge is dismissed. Or you flee the country while out on bail (which you'r not going to get unless you have lots of money)

GeoToday 01:35 pm JST

"And I'm not sure why you think women are so eager to falsely accuse a man of groping."

Tell me it has never happened then.

Go ahead, state it for the record.

Women have falsely accused men and women have accused the wrong men as well. That is why people want evidence.

This is what is known as a false dichotomy. You are presenting two opposing options as though they are the only two possibilities: either women are eager to falsely accuse men, or there are no false accusations at all.

You need to leave space for a third option: women are not eager to make any accusations at all and generally tell the truth; but when a false accusation does happen, there are a number of reasons for it.

One of those reasons is because she was mistaken; another is because she is mentally unstable. I'm sure there are other reasons as well, but the point being, it is wrong to present the issue as black and white and to refuse to see nuance in order to justify your personal prejudices agaisnt women who accuse men of sexual assault, and demand more evidence than you would demand for other crimes.

JamesToday 03:30 pm JST

It is not about your experience notice all your posts have been down voted not just the one you talk about your experience on.

Oh, you noticed that, too?

I do feel concern for you though it seems to have been an understandably traumatic experience for you an I suggest you to get some counseling.

Interesting.

You see the experiences of one ordinary woman whose experiences are actually not at all particularly unusual or extreme as traumatic, and suggest counseling.

It is very interesting that you really don't know the full impact that sexism, sexual harassment, and sexul assault have on women. It is also very telling that you don't have an inkling as to what women are carrying around with them on a daily basis.

And I assure you: most women have had these experiences. They simply don't tell men about them.

For you to hear such stories, you would first have to have the trust of the woman that you would not shame her, blame her, or say anything flippant, nasty or rude; or assurances that you won't get angry and take it personally. Then she might open up a little. But most of the time, these are experiences women only share with one another.

I also assure you that not every man does these things.

However you are saying guilty until proven innocent and that is why you are down voted.

I do not think that, and have never even once said that or even alluded to it.

Again, it is interesting that when women speak openly and with candor about their experiences men take it as an attack on all men, and often as a personal attack on themselves. I wonder why that is? Perhaps you are not used to women speaking openly like this, and perhaps find it jarring. See my post above and ask yourself why you are so shocked, and why you haven't heard many, if any, stories like this before.

And color me unsurprised. A typical male reaction, in my experience, goes like this: First the man is disbelieving that such stories can even be true. He then may feel personally attacked or even get angry. Then he tries to find justifications (This is not common! You have had unique expereinces! Not all men do this!) and reasons (Were you out late? What were you wearing?). Finally, the man realizes he has a HUGE gap in his understanding of the world, and comes to acceptance that the world is a very different place for men and women. Then comes anger against his fellow men, and finally, he becomes an ally.

Well, most men get stuck in the disbelieving/anger/justification stage, as we so often see here. But some guys ...as a few of the posters show here ... do get to acceptance and become allies.

All I can say is: maybe one day you will get it, too.

However you are saying guilty until proven innocent and that is why you are down voted.

I do not think that, and have never even once said that or even alluded to it.

Yea you have multiple times, without reading back far... you allude to it because the girl said it happened.

Do you not think women can't tell the difference between a guy's leg bushing theirs when he sits down next to her, and a guy reaching his hand over and touching her sexually?

I am sure woman can feel uncomfortable when in a train I know I do. touchy feel people should leave it at the train door. when I had to ride on a train back in the day I always kept both hands on the hang down holder however I have also felt hands on my bottom and on my groin area so i don't discount it as you seem to think I just avoid traveling on trains. It is gross.

JamesNov. 13 08:22 pm JST

Yea you have multiple times, without reading back far... you allude to it because the girl said it happened.

Do you not think women can't tell the difference between a guy's leg bushing theirs when he sits down next to her, and a guy reaching his hand over and touching her sexually?

I have not once said that all men do such things, or that every man who is accused is guilty.

Never.

Again: typical male reaction to women speaking out.

I have not once said that all men do such things, or that every man who is accused is guilty.

You routinely make blanket statements about men. In pretty much every thread. So your above comment is being slippery, and avoids addressing your wonton blanket misandry. And before you get all freaky, yes I know there is a ridiculously larger amount of misogyny in those exact same threads. That doesn't justify your misandry though.

Again: typical male reaction to women speaking out.

The fact that people always lump all men/males into one group to fit their extreme false feminist ideas is why men react like this. It has nothing to do with women speaking out. Failing to see that a problem lies within also generates a disgusting reaction.

StrangerlandToday 08:25 am JST

You routinely make blanket statements about men. In pretty much every thread.

Correction. I make comments about the people in the article, and I reply to comments.

So your above comment is being slippery, and avoids addressing your wonton blanket misandry. And before you get all freaky, yes I know there is a ridiculously larger amount of misogyny in those exact same threads. That doesn't justify your misandry though.

Every time a woman points out sexism, she is accused of misandry.

Yet here we are, five or six men, all picking on ONE single woman.

Now tell me again who is the one using their power to dominate others?

sir_bentley28Today 11:49 am JST

The fact that people always lump all men/males into one group to fit their extreme false feminist ideas is why men react like this. It has nothing to do with women speaking out. Failing to see that a problem lies within also generates a disgusting reaction.

You keep saying this. And it keeps being false.

GeoToday 01:52 pm JST

girl_in_tokyo, you just falsely accused me that I have prejudices against women who accuse men of sexual assault and that I demand more evidence than I would for any other crime. I never said that. It is simply not the truth. You have no evidence. You are crossing lines where you can be held legally liable for spreading false rumors and accusations.

Let me get this straight. I pointed out that you used a false dichotomy to support your personal prejudices, so you decided that is crossing a line you will hold me legally liable?

Well, okay... I'll be sittin' here at home, waitin' for that letter from your lawyer. :)