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NTV employee arrested for groping woman on train

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Police in Tokyo have arrested a 48-year-old man on suspicion of violating public nuisance laws after he allegedly groped a woman on a train.

According to police, the incident occurred at around 10 p.m. Thursday on the Toei Oedo subway line, Sankei Shimbun reported. Police said Makoto Hirano, who is a deputy section chief at commercial broadcaster NTV, has denied the charge and quoted him as saying he had fallen asleep on the train and didn’t touch the woman.

Police said the woman, who is in her 20s, told them Hirano sat down beside her and touched her thigh with his hand. She grabbed his hand and when the train reached Hikarigaoka Station, she took him to the station master’s office to call police.

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suspicion of violating public nuisance laws

This law needs to be changed to "Sexual Assault"..

Japan still living in the Shogun Days?

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He flipped the script. - Last week, one ‘stalker’ did break & enter a young woman’s window then, sexually assaulted her ‘in her sleep’. - This alleged perv claimed HE was asleep.

Must be pretty meek 48yo if a 20yr girl can march him to the station master’s office.

Let’s see the onboard VTR footage for the truth!

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She said, he said, no proof either way, but his career is finished because of it.

Middle-aged guys watch out, best advice, dont sit next to females on trains!

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She grabbed his hand and when the train reached Hikarigaoka Station, she took him to the station master’s office

Really???

And the guy didn't resist?

He just sit there, let the woman hold his hand, waiting till they reached Hikarigaoka Station, and walked together with her to the station master's office?

That sounds very unrealistic to me.

Or, he is really innocent and wanted to proof that.

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Obviously he did

not social distance

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Wow. Been a while since I read chikan news. I guess most of them have been social distancing?

She said, he said, no proof either way, but his career is finished because of it.

Yeah. Shame he doesn't work for NHK. His career probably wouldn't have suffered.

Middle-aged guys watch out, best advice, dont sit next to females on trains!

agree

She grabbed his hand and when the train reached Hikarigaoka Station, she took him to the station master’s office

Really???

And the guy didn't resist?

Maybe he was happy to hold hands with her?

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Can they PLEASE rename this asininely named law to what it really is - sexual assault. Ffs, Japan. Public Nuisance Law? Seriously? Wake up and address this persistent problem your country's got going, Japan.

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How can he possibly deny the charge at the same time he says he was asleep at the time of the groping?

He may have been acting out a dream. Sort of a sleep-groper, you might say.

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ubaruToday 07:36 am JST

She said, he said, no proof either way, but his career is finished because of it.

Middle-aged guys watch out, best advice, dont sit next to females on trains!

Right, because women confront men and drag them to the station master's office (risking injury if he fights back by hitting, punching, or shoving her) and reports them for groping (which is truly agonizingly embarrassing) just for kicks and giggles. Wheeeee!

And men groping women on trains in Tokyo is so very very rare that this scenario deserves close scrutiny and overt skepticism.

So we really have NO idea at all which person here is the one more likely to be honest. It's totally he said, she said.

Riiiiiight. Gochta.

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Yubaru Today 07:36 am JST

Middle-aged guys watch out, best advice, dont sit next to females on trains!

Yes! Thank you! Please don't!

In fact, maybe stand waaaaaaaaay over there, with all the other men, in a corner of the train, or maybe even in another car. Then all the women will finally feel safe on the train.

Such an amazing idea you have. :) Thanks!

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girl_in_tokyo....

If you are really so worried, there is usually a special car at the front or back of the train reserved just for women. Or maybe also those who identify as women.

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girl_in_tokyo

So we really have NO idea at all which person here is the one more likely to be honest. It's totally he said, she said.

Riiiiiight. Gocht

I some cases it really is a he said she said thing, don’t be so quick.

I admit it doesn’t happen as often as the reverse, but many years ago while riding the Yamanote line home after a night out a young female stood close behind me and grabbed my bottom. May not happen often but it did happen and I doubt that it was an isolated case with the number of people riding the trains daily.

I think a bit of investigation is in order before presuming guilt though.

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He touched her thigh????? is that "grouping"?

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This is frightening. One can get arrested for "touching a woman's thigh" on a train?

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If the guy purposely touched her breasts or nether regions, he deserves to be punished severely. Personally I've never grabbed breasts or anywhere else on a train to a stranger but numerous times I have breasts pushed up against me on a train or bus. When trying to pivot to get off myself or allow someone else to get off, I've maneuvered so the upper part of my arm was touching breasts. I'm always paranoid to keep my arms firmly by my side, hands facing inward in case I inadvertently "touch a woman's thigh".

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If he did grope her, then he should be punished without any doubt. Chikan is still a big problem in Japan and these creeps must be taken into custody.

However, information about this particular case are not very concrete and it has not been ultimately proven that he did it intentionally. It is merely statement vs statement up until this point.

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@girl_in_tokyo

I have known at least two cases where men were accused by women wrongly. Once by a student who didn’t get good grades by a professor, the guy chose to fight and had his career destroyed, few years later the witness who was the accuser’s friend and a co conspirator had a change of heart, came forward and told the truth.

In second case one of my co-workers was accused by a group of high schoolers, he was arrested and held at police station for a day, lucky for him the same group had been doing this and the lead detective figured it out so he could get free.

So yes it’s pretty much he said, she said at the moment. Neither you or anyone with a different opinion has any proof for either side.

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Si senōr! Said it yourself- get saucy with the ladies, you get what you got coming to you. And you, one of the good guys… you telling me it never happens to you. So all clear right?

Except for all those breasts…pushing you around. Sounds like your trying to say they deserve to be punished severely too. All sides. GMFB

If the guy purposely touched her breasts or nether regions, he deserves to be punished severely. Personally I've never grabbed breasts or anywhere else on a train to a stranger but numerous times I have breasts pushed up against me on a train or bus.

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goldeneagle Today 12:29 pm JST

@girl_in_tokyo

I have known at least two cases where men were accused by women wrongly.

So yes it’s pretty much he said, she said at the moment. Neither you or anyone with a different opinion has any proof for either side.

Let's weigh this up.

a. Are men more likely to grope women, or are women more likely to lie about being groped.

b. Are men more likely to deny groping, or are they more likely to admit it.

I notice that the only time JT commenters call for more proof or to give benefit of the doubt to someone accused of a crime is when the crime is sexual assault.

I wonder why that is. It sure is a mystery!

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I've been wrongly accused. I'm still traumatized by it.

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Let's weigh this up.

a. Are men more likely to grope women, or are women more likely to lie about being groped.

b. Are men more likely to deny groping, or are they more likely to admit it.

In my case, the woman did lie about being groped. And I didn't.

You can prosecute based on generalities. I'll stick to courts of law myself. People deserve the right to be presumed innocent.

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How it started…

MSweetToday 10:15 am JST

I some cases it really is a he said she said thing, don’t be so quick.

How it ends

I admit it doesn’t happen as often as the reverse,

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How it started…

MSweetToday 10:15 am JST

I some cases it really is a he said she said thing, don’t be so quick.

How it ends

I admit it doesn’t happen as often as the reverse,

Those two statements aren't in opposition to each other.

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While the side of the victim should always be considered it's also true there are false claims of sexual assault and rape. Worked on forensic for a rape case in the UK. The case was dismissed based on that evidence. I personally know of two cases of sexual assault in Japan but in both cases in the end the women admitted lying. But the accused still could not travel to America, visa denied. I made translations of their records for a visa appeal.

"Police said the woman, who is in her 20s, told them Hirano sat down beside her and touched her thigh with his hand. She grabbed his hand and when the train reached Hikarigaoka Station, she took him to the station master’s office to call police."

The man went willingly with her?

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In both of the two Japanese cases I posted about, both men were fired from their jobs. And the man accused of rape in the UK spent more than one year in prison in remand.

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All accused are innocent until proved guilty.

In this case, if there is not a witness or confession, there is not a case.

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@girl_in_tokyo - likelihood or probability should not matter.. it’s all about evidence !

even if something has no historical occurrences, it does not mean it may never happen … let’s see some evidence first !

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Where was he going to go? Let the police sort it out. -0 Recall one previous poster here, claiming ‘on an attorney’s advice’, IF you a wrongfully accused, it’s best to just flee the station at all costs. - Or, as in a couple of stories earlier this year, flee directly down the opposing train tracks? One ‘suspect’ even threw himself over a rail to flee his accusers and almost into an oncoming train. Many now reflect upon how ‘innocent’ they possibly were.

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The morale of the story for me is don't sleep on the train. When you fall asleep, probably from being drunk in this guy's case, you may move and do things involuntarily. I had a person literally fall into my lap as they were sleeping and I jumped up and moved.

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Let's weigh this up.

a. Are men more likely to grope women, or are women more likely to lie about being groped.

b. Are men more likely to deny groping, or are they more likely to admit it

if I answer subjectively like you have based your question, women have more incentive in lying about groping while as a man I don’t see any pleasure in groping a woman, so no pleasure versus monetary benefits, I will say monetary benefit will be a winner.

I don’t think you are giving a chance to a man to admit or deny because in your previous comments, you have already declared him guilty.

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Why is his employer in the headline? He was not acting on behalf of his employer. He was not at his workplace. I doubt his employer has a pro-groping policy for staff, or sends them on courses to teach them how to grope women more effectively. It's not really fair to drag them into it. His rank within the company would have been enough.

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People falling asleep on a train or subway in Japan a pet peeve.

I can't count the times I've had someone -- male or female makes mo difference -- nod off and end up leaning on me. I push them off, and sometimes they come right back. On a few occasions I've had to get up and stand. Now, that leaning on you IS a public nuisance. Groping, when that's true, is FAR WORSE than a public nuisance. Frankly, I wouldn't want to be a woman and have to ride on public transport here.

In Osaka a few years ago I actually saw a scrawny little middle-aged guy goose a young woman on a subway coach. Couldn't believe it! She squealed, turned on him and grabbed him by the arm, hauled him off the car at the next stop. Incidentally having to get off at that stop, I followed silently along till she got him to the police box upstairs. He went meekly, I guess trying to avoid more public embarrassment.

Weird what some guys think they can get away with -- and what pleasure do they get out of it?

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Let's weigh this up.

a. Are men more likely to grope women, or are women more likely to lie about being groped.

b. Are men more likely to deny groping, or are they more likely to admit it.

How would one be able to even collect data to answer such silly questions? How do you measure the likelihood of a man to grope a woman? Follow him around his entire life?

How can you judge the likelihood of a woman lying about being groped? The answer would literally be 0%!! It's like the two doors where one always tells the truth and the other always lies.

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Recall one previous poster here, claiming ‘on an attorney’s advice’, IF you a wrongfully accused, it’s best to just flee the station at all costs. -

The Japan Today themselves posted an article with this advice:

No matter your innocence, with a 99% conviction rate should the case go to court, one Tokyo lawyer says the best thing to do if wrongly accused is, run.

And:

If caught in such a situation, what should one do?

First off would be to run away from the scene, this is one of the most rational responses when considered from a probability perspective. Your first thought is more than likely wanting to prove your innocence, however, in groping cases this is extremely difficult. If you think about the low chances of the police catching you if you quickly escape from the scene, running away is a rather compelling choice.

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/guilty-and-never-proven-innocent-every-male-train-riders-nightmare-in-japan?comment-order=latest

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Why is his employer in the headline?

This is an article about Japan, on a Japanese news site, and that's how news is reported in Japan. The way they learn history etc is to look at the entire scenario surrounding a historical event, the players, what they did in life, their job, their allegiances etc. The news reflects this - Japanese people want to know the employment status of the accused/perpetrator. If this was left out, they'd be asking the opposite question - what does he do for work?

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This is one of the reasons why I drive to work.

The train is full of predators, of both genders.

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Middle-aged guys watch out, best advice, dont sit next to females on trains!

It is actually better to sit next to females as there is more space . You know, they are thin here.

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This is so stupid! She could easily be lying, and even if she isn't how is "touching the thigh" sexual assault!?

Yet you wonder why the birthrate is so low. Men can't even be near women without their livelihood being threatened. If a man complained about someone touching his thigh, he'd be a laughingstock, and so should she.

Chikan is only the issue it is because people overreact to something that ISN'T a big deal at all.

Can they PLEASE rename this asininely named law to what it really is - sexual assault. Ffs, Japan. Public Nuisance Law? Seriously? Wake up and address this persistent problem your country's got going, Japan.

No. It's insulting to victims of REAL sexual assault to have their situations lumped in with a guy MAYBE touching a woman's leg on a train. This kind of stuff wouldn't even be talked about in the US. People are more concerned about being robbed at gunpoint or shot! "Chikan" is an artificially created issue by feminists. It's an over-exaggerated issue. Over a mundane offense that should be addressed on a personal level, if at all, and certainly not on a legal level. Grow some thicker skin. That man probably deals with more stress and hardships than that woman has faced her whole life.

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