Nursery school head charged with molesting 4-year-old girl

Thank you for your opinion, timemachine, but please enlighten us some more. How did you come to the conclusion that this is "wrong?" Is it based on deontology, utilitarianism, the virtue theory, or other?

Losers, you sound dick to me when you engage logically in these sort of sensitive mattes. Why don`t you leave your over smart brain at home for some rest. There is only one thing about it, if its wright or wrong?? and this is incredibly Wrong and thats it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The law is the law and no debate about it in JT will change the law. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and speculating regarding the mental state of the child who at this point is being questioned, the situation being investigated, even though the adult accused has already admitted guilt. If you really want to point fingers at who is or has traumatized the child, you need to start with the adult who molested her! Every thing after that is a matter of helping first to define what did or did not happen, and then the matter of how people cope with the event. The argument that how the adults speak to the child about what happened will determine how she deals with life after is not in question - what is so sick and so wrong to me is that anyone would even consider lying to the child about the law, or about if the sexual touching was wrong or not - to make excuses for sexual molestation is absolutely wrong, the act of the molesters themselves who make excuses so that they can sleep at night - the 'trauma' happened to the child in the event of sexual touching.. this debate about if the child should be taught right from wrong is sick. If you wish for your child to understand and obey the laws of where they grow up in, to learn to recognize bad touching from good touching, and to report bad things when they happen, then you TEACH them that. If you want a sexually confused child who will be open to further adult perverts and who is oblivious of the law or of morality then by all means tell her nothing was wrong.

I do agree with Heda Madness on the matter of belittling others opinions, such as you are entitled to yours others have the same right..if we go by morals, opinions will be different seeing how not everyone has the same morals, if we go by law, then if he did do this to the child then he is a pig who deserves to pay for his acts..if we go by psychology,then the girl could remember this but it does not mean she will never have a normal sexual relationship..

Mikanojo is a young woman who is very expressive and I commend her for having the strength to stand up for what she believes in...

Heda_Madness said: So that would suggest that you are an expert and you have met the girl?

Oh Dear God! I offered possibilities. My response was to people incapable of seeing them and demanding there is only one possible answer. I make no claims to how the girl feels. The level of reading comprehension here is insanely low.

The law says that when an adult sexually touches a minor child, that is sexual molestation, because the child cannot legally give their consent to be touched. It involves people using their sense, Frungy, so that nobody except apparently you would confuse sexual touching with changing of a diaper. Pedophilia IS at least topical to the article, but so is the law sir. And to NOT tell a child the truth about the laws regarding child molestation would be an incredibly inappropriate and irresponsible thing for any parent to do. I cannot speak very much for mai birth parents but i did at least have very good ideas of what was right and acceptable conduct for mai self and for the adults around me. Even at 4 i knew good touches from bad touches. Parents who love their children try to protect them from letting those things happen to them sir, so the TEACH them about it so they can avoid it or so they can report it if it does happen. What you advocate instead is lying to a child so that they can decide for themselves later if they liked being molested or not - you and MistWizard apparently share the same paraphilia regarding excusing child molestation?

Frungy.. telling someone.. a child, an adult, anyone.. that the law says that inappropriate touching of a minor child is illegal is hardly a mistake. it is in fact telling her the truth. How is telling someone the truth a mistake when it comes to a matter of law? The act of an adult sexually touching a child IS bad AND wrong and there is no point in denying that to anyone, ESPECIALLY a child. As far as your personal question, i knew how to use furoba before i began public school so mai 'school teachers' never changed mai pantsu. There were no accidents.. who has those accidents at school age? Your question would sound better if you had asked about a daycare, at least that would be partly topical. But again, the man did not confess to changing the 4yr old girls pantsu, he confessed to laying down with her. You wish to deny the truth of the law and hide it from a child, so that if someone else should illegally and wrongly touch her again that she should NOT know how to properly respond? Who is the idiot in this?

Mikanojo you claim you can remember as far back as age 3. Do you remember your school teacher helping you to change your panties when you had an "accident"? No, probably not, because at the time it had no meaning because you didn't think of it in sexual terms, mostly because your teacher was like your second mother. It was a regular event and didn't stand out amongst every other time you had your panties changed.

That's the critical difference here, that events are remembered because they're in some way special. Regardless of the guilt or innocence of this invidual the girl in this case will remember this because of all the fuss around it, not because of the actual event. When the time comes to testify in court the girl's memory of the event will be critical, and

I hope she didn't get someone like Mikanojo who would, "if she described any act upon her by that man that was illegal then i would tell her so", because what Mikanojo is making the most common mistake possible, imposing her idea of what is illegal on the case, and then informing the child what to think. The child will then internalise that memory as that act being "wrong" or "bad", and will testify as such, and carry that half-formed idea that contact like that is bad or wrong for the rest of her life, even into normal and healthy adult relationships. In short it will destroy any possibility of her ever having a normal sexual relationship.

So Mikanojo, theoretically, if you were this child's counsellor or police officer, you've just destroyed her life. You can comfort yourself with the fact that you're not alone, this is precisely the reason that most countries have specialised child protection units, because most people can't see beyond the quest for justice and revenge to the fact that they have no right to ruin someone's life to get it.

Here's a simple example. A police officer comes upon someone who's been stabbed and arrests the suspect, however the penalty for stabbing someone is only a few months in jail, so the police officer twists the knife and pulls it out, "For evidence" he says, and the wounded man bleeds to death. The police then escalate the case from assault to murder, convict the murderer and congratulate themselves on a job well done.

... Idiotic scenario isn't it? But that's exactly what's being done here. This girl is being sacrificed in search of "justice", and they're being supported by people like Mikanojo who can't see past their own prejudices to the fact that you're harming the victim.

So nice to get an expert opinion from someone who has actually evaluated the girl in person. Oh, yes, no chance she could forget. She must be totally traumatized because we just CAN'T have it any other way. Any chance she could forget would undermine yet another opportunity for a short-of-breath rant.

So that would suggest that you are an expert and you have met the girl?

No? Didn't think so.

This is all about opinions, whether you agree with them or not, it certainly doesn't give you the right to belittle someone for thinking that perhaps this little girl will be scarred for life. An opinion that I personally believe is somewhat better than 'she'll get over it.'

Mikanojo said: there is so much wrong with what you say, with how you dismiss the child as 'damaged goods'

Enough. I am not even reading beyond that silly line. YOUR ideas are the ones doing that, NOT mine. You either can't read my words or you don't bother, so ENOUGH!

First, there is nothing creepy about a man working at a nursery school. Second, there is no mention of any real evidence, no witness. The man does at least deserve some real justice.

@MistWizard, there is so much wrong with what you say, with how you dismiss the child as 'damaged goods' and i am sorry that your earliest memories are from age 5.. but do not assume that everyone shares that limitation. Age 4 was only 15yrs ago for me and mai earliest memories actually come from age 3. What i would ask that girl is what happened. I would listen to her closely, and if she described any act upon her by that man that was illegal then i would tell her so. And that man WAS wrong to touch her without her consent. The difference between rape and molestation is the actual penetration.. emotionally the harm done can often be the same between molestation and rape - but then if you would excuse child molestation, only because it did not end in rape then you miss the point entirely. The reason that sex with children is illegal sir has nothing to do with if the physical sensation would have / could have been pleasurable if the child is trained to think that it was - the child is not capable of legally GIVING their consent to share that physical contact. They are too immature from a purely legal perspective that covers EVERYONE, regardless of what their teaching has been. The child is not able to give consent for the sexual contact and so that sexual contact is WITHOUT CONSENT and that is what defines molestation and if that molestation becomes sexual penetration then it is rape. Do not confuse emotions with law. Do not confuse your personal feelings about your childhood sexual experiences as being ANY justification for someone to sexually touch a child. As far as what Frungy accuses me of, being a victim of childhood abuse, the information that i gave about how that harm comes to show itself in victims of molestation/rape is documented. The truth is the truth. Making excuses for child molestation by saying that you "doubt she has a concept of what happened at all" is a sad excuse for the act that was committed by an ADULT upon a child who is not legally capable of giving consent.

MistWizard, "I doubt she has a concept of what happened at all" sorry but even at that age, if parents teach their children what is the wrong way to be touched then yes, a child this age will know and can feel uncomfortable, especially if it is something that never has happened to him/her before..it would be alien like for him/her to have someone do this to them..if it did happen then she will more than likely remember it..Hopefully she won't..but it is a strong possibilty.

Mikanojo said: MistWizard wrote about what he calls "positive sexual experiences" for a CHILD.

Well, if you read something other than recent Americans calling themselves psychologists, you might realize its common.

by claiming that if only it were "handled" better that the child would have ENJOYED being molested.

Ummm...no. Molested is a loaded term. Most people do not enjoy being molested. But you would call it molestation because of age alone. It might be molestation in the article, or it might not. If he snuck in while she was sleeping just to cop a feel, its molestation, and I don't support that one wit. But you want to blow it out of proportion, ensuring it becomes a more negative experience than it has to be.

in fact that would only completely verify me then as being an expert in this matter,

It most certainly would NOT. However, believing that, it sure explains a lot of what you write. Please, read some research, something European or even American from the 50s.

There are so many memories i have from age 4, both good as well as bad - another MistWizard lie disproved..

Sigh. You really need to slow down. I never said it was impossible to have a clear memory from four. I said it was unlikely.

and i do know, as does everyone here, that this child will remember what happened if in fact anything happened at all

No dear, you don't. My first memory is from age 5.

but if the person accused of the acts of child molestation DID in fact molest her, then it will NEVER be a good sexual experience - being molested is never a good experience, MistWizard.. Rape is NOT an act of love sir, and all of the excuses in the world cannot change the truth.

We are not talking about rape, okay? Can we just stick to molestation? I sure am glad you are not counseling this little girl or her mother, because the last thing we need to do is drag rape into this.

And, oh yes, this can be properly characterized in at least a neutral experience, if you would just open your very, very closed mind. The girl is four years old, and what you say amounts to saying she is "damaged goods".

As I said earlier, I doubt she has a concept of what happened at all. Her concept of it is MOST LIKELY dependent on how adults characterize the situation. If we tell her that what he did was something people in love do, is there not truth in that? We just tell her he made a mistake as he should not have surprised her like that, but the experience of being touched is supposed to be a nice one. What you would tell her, apparently, was that man was very bad and did a very nasty and dangerous thing to her, forever tainting her view of men and her body.

The reason I say you are hysterical is because your opinions mesh with the child sex hysteria of today. You compared molestation with rape. That is a completely hysterical position. My wife was molested on the street when she was little, yet her opinions are much in line with mine. Her problem was that she was scared, not that a man touched her.

MistWizard wrote about what he calls "positive sexual experiences" for a CHILD. That is absolutely sick that someone would want to excuse an adult for molesting a child by claiming that if only it were "handled" better that the child would have ENJOYED being molested. You expose yourself completely sir.. from the other articles about rape and upskirts photos to this child molestation - you excuse the criminal acts as being harmless with absolute disdain for the well being of the victim, or in the case of child abuse with the victim or their families. You expose yourself sir. As far as Frungy's comments that he feels i must also have had some childhood experiences to cope with.. it should first be understood that i am 19 years old, female, and I am not a victim. You cannot simply turn away and make any false claims about me, and you cannot simply dismiss me because i am young. The truth is the truth and it makes no difference who speaks it. So while Frungy wishes to believe mai words can be discounted because he thinks i am a victim of some childhood abuse, (in fact that would only completely verify me then as being an expert in this matter, would it not, by MistWizard's twisted mind?) the truth remains the same. There are so many memories i have from age 4, both good as well as bad - another MistWizard lie disproved.. and i do know, as does everyone here, that this child will remember what happened if in fact anything happened at all - remember that the man has admitted to this crime already but that there has not been a trial yet or is the investigation even finished - but if the person accused of the acts of child molestation DID in fact molest her, then it will NEVER be a good sexual experience - being molested is never a good experience, MistWizard.. Rape is NOT an act of love sir, and all of the excuses in the world cannot change the truth.

maybe stop hiring men??

use your noggin

I'd be creeped-out by a man being a nursery teacher with no female supervision.

I am frequently alone with children from 2 to 3 years old. the door is open but the parents trust me with their children and sit outside because one of the main purposes is to bolster their childs independence and lessen their fear of the strange. yeah maybe 0.01% are a danger to children but you'll find the same percentage in any teacher/disneyland staff in costume/family member.

MistWizard

So nice to get an expert opinion from someone who has actually evaluated the girl in person. Oh, yes, no chance she could forget. She must be totally traumatized because we just CAN'T have it any other way. Any chance she could forget would undermine yet another opportunity for a short-of-breath rant.

Well that's what actually gets me so mad about this case. Most countries have specialist police units that handle these sort of cases with great delicacy and with the minimum exposure for the child so that the child has no idea of the full sexual implications, that their testimony put someone in prison, and so that incorrect or leading questioning from investigators can't put words in the child's mouth.

Above all the media is kept well away from these cases until after the conviction and the child receives counseling at every stage so that they're not scarred for life.

In Japan that sort of specialist unit just doesn't seem to exist, and with a male-dominated police force and the lack of specialist psychologists in Japan I think this child will probably walk away from this incident seriously confused and scarred. NOT because of the act, but rather because of the way this was handled.

If she does "forget" it'll be sublimation rather than true forgetting and the incidet will recur as Mikanojo described. Mikanojo's description and reaction perfectly fits someone with a sublimated memory of abuse where all they can recall are fragments, underlying aversions to certain items or situations for reasons they can't recall, etc. This Mikanojo is the reason I recommended you get counseling, because it's fairly clear not only from your description, but rather from the way you chose to articulate it, that you've got some childhood issues to deal with.

In the end we all know that even if he's found guilty this guy will get at worst a 6 months to two years in prison because even full rape rarely gets more than 5 years in Japan, but the insensitive way this case is probably being handled by the police and definitely by the media is going to cause damage to the girl that will probably haunt her for her entire lifetime.

I hope this little girl is ok. This nursery should be more careful, maybe stop hiring men??

Mikanojo said: This little girl WILL remember what happened to her and it will affect her very possibly for the rest of her life.

So nice to get an expert opinion from someone who has actually evaluated the girl in person. Oh, yes, no chance she could forget. She must be totally traumatized because we just CAN'T have it any other way. Any chance she could forget would undermine yet another opportunity for a short-of-breath rant.

Monkeyz said: I don't see anyone jumping to string this guy up. I see a lot of people making excuses

You think they might have been deleted? We do have an "off with his bollocks" comment still in there though. What I don't see is any excuses made for the guy. I do see possible explanations for what happened though. Also, I see a lot of fear mongering and hysteria and attempts to justify it.

Frungy, you begin by accusing everyone else of jumping to conclusions without sufficient evidence, and then you commit exactly the same error in judgment by attempting to judge me. Accused is only accused and if the man is innocent then i honestly hope that will become obvious in the investigation. I directed mai comments more toward the people who have been trying to excuse child molestation as being a harmless act - not assuming guilt or innocence of the man who is accused. The commenters who have made a habit of making light jokes and constant excuses about sexual molestation in this thread and other similar JT threads need to have that twisted support for abuse countered with truth. Regarding tact and discretion, the media lost that long ago.

I guess he just "couldn't control himself", as we hear of many times here.

Monkeyz

But way to go, calling a 4-year-old a liar. Just like every other article about male-on-female assault ...

Yes, exactly like any other alleged assault precisely. People lie and the consequences of these lies are life-destroying, so the police owe it to this guy to investigate properly and get some evidence other than a confession that may have been beaten out of him and the accusation of the victim.

Mikanojo

This little girl WILL remember what happened to her and it will affect her very possibly for the rest of her life. It will appear unexpected in moments of intimacy with others.. or appear in personal self esteem issues, or appear in odd rituals like never sleeping on 1 side of a bed or never wearing a certain color of top again.. molestation CHANGES you. It makes me so angry and so sick in mai tummy that anyone would make excuses for sexual crimes but some people do.

This sort of case should have been handled by experts in child psychology and with a lot more tact and discretion. Don't the media realise that by identifying the head's name they've clearly identified the school and quite possibly even the child to everyone in the community. Now that child will have to grow up with everyone knowing she was the one at the center of this affair. If the man is found innocent (fat chance in Japan regardless of the lack of evidence) then she'll grow up being called a liar, if he's found guilty she'll be a "victim" for the rest of her life.

Either way the media here should be drawn and quartered for exposing this child in this fashion.

I don't see anyone jumping to string this guy up. I see a lot of people making excuses, just like happens every time there's an article about male-on-female sexual assault ...

You don't even need to switch the genders. The excuses are here already.

And no, we have no idea how they even determined that there was an assault. We don't know if the girl said something or if the mother SAW something during bathtime. But way to go, calling a 4-year-old a liar. Just like every other article about male-on-female assault ...

If what this man did is true .."edit"..if what this man is accused of is true...

Mikanojo..I agree with you..of course she will remember.I have vivid memories of things I did at that age, like sneaking a opeak through a window, to see my mom bought me a big wheel for my 4 th bday..When I was 7 yrs old friend of my moms made a gesture towards me that made me feel uncomfortable..he was sitting next to me and leaned over to me and whispered in my ear for me to kiss him..I jumped up and told my mom, she kicked him out, 2 wks later my grandma called and told my mom to turn on the TV..there he was going to prison for raping a 12 yr old girl..

If what this man did is true then I hope he gets what he deserves, lets just say, "an example" that it was the first time he ever did something like this..maybe next time the girl/boy..won't be so lucky, and won't have to only live with a mental scar but a physical scar as well..I feel some ppl take this sort of thing to lightly!

MistWizard, I have an 18 yr old girl..and to say I would stay calm, would be a lie..And I think that it is easy to say, I would be calm but reality is , until we actually go threw something like this..It's hard to really say how we would react..then again not everyone is the same.

@ VelvetRosetta: Some people have a record for making excuses for the criminals when it comes to reports of sexual molestation in JT. Instead of admitting the crime was committed they will try to mislead you into comparing it with other crimes that end in permanent scars or death and then tell you that the molestation was harmless. Rest assured that most people do NOT make excuses for pedophiles. A 4yr old child is not at all an infant or oblivious to what is happening to her; when i was 4yr old i was already making plans for mai wedding day in mai mind and acting it out with dolls. This little girl WILL remember what happened to her and it will affect her very possibly for the rest of her life. It will appear unexpected in moments of intimacy with others.. or appear in personal self esteem issues, or appear in odd rituals like never sleeping on 1 side of a bed or never wearing a certain color of top again.. molestation CHANGES you. It makes me so angry and so sick in mai tummy that anyone would make excuses for sexual crimes but some people do.

when I was a free-lance English teacher a group of us did a over night at one of our school.... the school teachers and head/owner asked us to help pat the kids to sleep. This invold us sitting beside the kids (ages from 4 to 10) and patting them on there backs and a gentle rub.

Now the group was made up of 3 white males and 1 japanese female teacher (ages 25 to 50), and people seem to forget that these are children and prown to making things bigger then they really are. Plus we have parents who think their little darlings can do no wrong!

Not saying the bloke isnt guilty, but I would like more info as we dont know what really happend. And as many have said confessions can be drilled out of people here.

VelvetRosetta said: Wonder what MistWizard would do , say, think if it one his daughter? Would you be calm?

For her sake and the sake of the truth, yes, I would remain calm and cautious. What good is over-reacting? Making you feel better???

People here confess even if they are not guilty. Abuse can be proved, but just "touching" is much more difficult to prove. My wife works with small children and she is always kissing and hugging them. At first mothers were surprised and now fully accept it, but I always thought that if instead of her it was me the one to kiss and hug their daughters they would not be so happy.

Following on from Frungy's post:

Police later received a call from the [boy]’s [father] saying [s]he believed [his] [son] had been sexually assaulted by the [woman], who has admitted to the charges. Ishida was the only adult on the premises at the time.

Doesn't really change the perception at all does it? It's the bit where Ishida said he did it that suggests to me that he's guilty.

Nothing to do with the gender of the victim or the assailant.

Sorry for the follow-up post, but here's a challenge for readers. Re-read the article and switch the genders, and see how your perceptions change:

"The head of a nursery school in Kasuga, Fukuoka Prefecture, was arrested Thursday on charges of indecent assault after [s]he allegedly touched a four-year-old [boy] inappropriately, police said Friday.

[Mrs.] Ishida, 40, is accused of lying next to the [boy] and touching [him] as []he took a nap on the afternoon of May 10."

See how this changes your perceptions? If you're honest you'll find that your automatic assumptions shift dramatically and you start making excuses for the woman, assuming she was checking he was wet, comforting a student who was having trouble sleeping, etc.

So just pause for a second and re-examine your own social biases.

Whoa people. It's a 4-year-old he might just have been checking to see if she wet herself. Little kids do that from time to time. Everyone is so keen to assume he's guilty despite the lack of evidence and the Japanese cops' habit of forcing confessions and pursuing cases with absolutely no evidence. Time and again experts have pointed out that kids will lie in these cases for the same reasons that adults do, for example if they don't like the teacher or if they are led by the investigator.

By all means investigate this properly, but don't just assume this guy is a pedophile. Don't over react simply from the mistaken assumption that all children are little angels who are never wrong and never lie, because that's complete bs.

I agree with VelvetRosetta. This guy should rot in jail and not ever be able to have the opportunity to see the outside world from his rotting cell.

Right... forced confession... evidence? I have heard of English teachers getting charged with this sort of stuff playing paddy cake and flinch slaps.

I need to learn to control my thoughts I always get my posts deleted =( Ok I think he is a pig, that deserves to rot in jail. if he did this to this girl, it is more than likely not the first time. Also he could be doing this or worse to children even younger who cannot even talk or express themselves properly.

Wonder what MistWizard would do , say, think if it one his daughter? Would you be calm?

It's pretty easy to get a confession out of someone over here, whether it be true or false. I would have welcomed a few more details in this story, such as where the allegation came from. If she was asleep, did she even realize? Some more background information would have been good, too.

He touched her "inappropriately". Contrast some of the reactions here with what they would say if a classmate also touched her inappropriately. I don't condone his actions, but some of you really need to calm down. The girl is alive and uninjured. She got touched. And at four its unlikely she has any concept of hurt pride or fear.

He 'was' the head of this school and has probably been in this position for a number of years. You can bet this is not the first time he has fiddled with an infant. "Off with his bollocks!"

Well, until the guy is convicted hold off on the execution. Very weird the school hired him. I'd be creeped-out by a man being a nursery teacher with no female supervision.

It is very scary! Why is a 40 year old guy even allowed to work with little girls, and no other female supervision? Wake up idiot people in Fukuoaka! I feel so sorry for this 4 year old little girl. I hope this child molester is locked up for a good, long time!

Some pedophiles get jobs so that they can be in contact with children. I suspect this guy is one example.

If this guy admitted to the crime, than that must make the allegations true. This guy is a very sick individual who should be thrown into jail and have the keys flushed down the toilette. People like this guy should not have the privilege to work around kids or be a part of society. So sad that these kinds of terrible things has to happen.

What evidense is needed? This is Japan partner where all the police need is a confession, true or not, the guy admitted to it. My son is 4 years old and beleive me if someone were sexually abusing him he would tell me.

What is the actual evidence. Security camera footage, the little girls own words or physical evidence verified and substantiated by a medical professional. Or is it a case of a mother simply trying to draw attention to a problem she herself may have.