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I'm pretty sure the Mafia is not illegal either. I've never heard of anyone being arrested for being a Mafia member. They are arrested for the crimes they commit and conspire to commit. Hell's Angels are not illegal either, and they have clubhouses. doesn't stop anyone from arresting them when they commit crimes.

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When the murder of two children happened recently in Neyagawa, it came across in my mind that if the suspect Yamada were the member of the yakuza, the tragedy would not have happened. Since Japanese yakuza in tradition does not kill ordinary citizens not to say of children. If yakuza do not exist in Japan, crimes involving ordinary citizens would increase a lot more. Anywhere in the world some per cent of people are dangerous by nature. Yakuza organizations exist as receptacles for them. Yakuza people are easily identified by citizens and is easy to stay away from them but a case like Yamada .....

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If they know them and know what they do, why they do not arrest them...? And why there are officially recorded and accessible offices for violent groups in Japan (boryokudan jumusho)? That is definitely weird. But I am talking for nothing: police itself is connected with yakuza and politicians, as well as with the extremists that patrol Yasukuni temple with black cars and vans and huge propaganda speakers...

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police can not arrest anyone who did not commit crime. Then police have to have proof of their crime. Or court will throw out case. Ygumi is not like other yakuzas that still have their tradition of protecting ordinal people from rude officials in feudal era. I define -gumi as outgrown Boryoku-dan and not in the category of yakuza.

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If the inter-gang violence escalates the police won't have to work so hard to weaken them as they'll be doing it themselves by bumping each other off!

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Police are "collecting information" and are on "high alert". Now does that make everyone feel better?

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paulinusa: Unlike other yak groups, its members did not join with honor code. So expect bunch of moles are in there. Even height of Kyushu war, Kobe police had all info to support Fukuoka police. It has financial problems that it must have stopped to pay war fund now, More moles. A majority of wakashu gashirasu were gone. Probably all those war mongers were dismissed. Since it is not like other yakuzas, no finger chopping ceremony maybe. (YubiTsumShiki)
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toshiko-san

You know very well about yakuzas and the Japanese underground.

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Indochina is good place for them.

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So basically, the worse the economy, the less Yakuza activity being involved.

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Crime pays!

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@Toshiko: The police can and often do arrest people here without bringing them up on charges. Three weeks held approximately, released and then rearrested immediately and held again without charges.

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"police can not arrest anyone who did not commit crime. Then police have to have proof of their crime. Or court will throw out case"

Interesting point!!

refs:

http://www.debito.org/roguesgallery.html

http://www.debito.org/?page_id=582

http://www.debito.org/

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All they have to do is send in the tax office for proper audits & they should be able to easily shut them down.............but they NEVER do! And yeah cops politicians, yakuza all connected, always have been

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MyTimeIsYourTimeAUG. 30, 2015 - 11:39AM JST

@Toshiko: The police can and often do arrest people here without bringing them up on charges. Three weeks held approximately, released and then rearrested immediately and held again without charges.

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Are you writing about Japan?

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I fail to see the down side of these "mobsters" culling the clan.

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Schopenhauer wrote:

Since Japanese yakuza in tradition does not kill ordinary citizens not to say of children. If yakuza do not exist in Japan, crimes involving ordinary citizens would increase a lot more.

This is nonsense. I think you've been watching too many yakuza movies.

The yak are dirty nasty people. They do kill ordinary citizens. If you own a business and they want a slice of your profits they'll shake you down and make a life a living hell for you and yours if you don't comply.

Ever been a foreign prostitute held against your will or ever have to prostitute yourself to pay off a loan of your own or your family's from these scum.

Ever have these guys breathing down your neck when they force you to give out contracts to companies that they want you to "support"? I think not.

They bankroll and put lots of people in desperate situations. They're tolerated up to an extent in Japan but they are loathed by many, especially those whose lives have been touched by these scums.

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@Toshiko: The police can and often do arrest people here without bringing them up on charges.

They can arrest without bringing charges, but they need some grounds to keep the person, or else the judge won't let hem extend the detention past the initial 72 hours.

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This is not first time Ygumi did some strange message. Remember Ohsaka War? Mr Taoka revealed declaration that it wnded ended Ohsaka War. (Seimeibun( He apologized causing turmoil etc. Media wrote Sensou Shuketsu Sengen, The past experience dealing with it, police is very cautious. It was the year of Showa 50 1975.

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This is why we need to monitor unusually suspicious criminal activity in Japan right now with a Yakuza turf war about to happen. If bar or eating establishment popular among locals at the Golden Gai section of Tokyo's Shinjuku ward or at Juso at Osaka's Yodogawa ward is damaged in some suspicious manner, then (in my opinion) we know a Yakuza turf war is going on....

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"If yakuza do not exist in Japan, crimes involving ordinary citizens would increase a lot more. Anywhere in the world some per cent of people are dangerous by nature. Yakuza organizations exist as receptacles for them" uhg ..in the uS ..this rule may not work since the US has declared war on organized crime, so many members are killed each year by police in the US, some during brief car checks these days US is losing patience with their existance, only the super super super rich crime org members perhaps can by some time.

Conversely since yaks are JN's and Japan is a JN country they have to handle their trash differently for their stability sake, unlike the US which is a melting pot of many races, meaning other non white races do not hold complete govt sway. But watch out for the new us president he will come down even harder globally with sanctions etc. if the JN mess spills over into US interest.

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StrangerlandAug. 30, 2015 - 01:39PM JST

@Toshiko: The police can and often do arrest people here without bringing them up on charges.

They can arrest without bringing charges, but they need some grounds to keep the person, or else the judge won't let hem extend the detention past the initial 72 hours.

They held a Japanese speaking foreigner past the 72 hours so they could investigate- the "victim" struck first and they found bottles at the scene of the crime. Japanese police don't need real reasons to hold an accused past 72 hours- the real problem is that the yakusa and their lawyer have the contact in the judiciary and police- they won't be there for 1 hour let alone 72 hours.

Its a joke to say that the US have declared on organised crime- gangs still are the most effective terror networks.

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@wowyz: .in the uS ..this rule may not work since the US has declared war on organized crime, so many members are killed each year by police in the US, some during brief car checks these days US is losing patience with their existance, only the super super super rich crime org members perhaps can by some time.

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??? Please stick to JPN as it seems that you are not familiar of USA organized crime history of past.

' so many members are killed each year by police in the US,' ..... Where you got this idea???

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"please stick to JPN as it seems that you are not familiar of USA organized crime history of past."

refs: http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/o/organized_crime/index.html

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/organizedcrime/asian

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/february/orgcrime_021309

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-02-24/yakuza-godfather-targeted-in-obama-crackdown-on-organized-crime

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@wowyz: so you have to depend on these brief summay based links? Do you know Mafia has Omerta but yaks do not have similar allegiance before they joined yak groups? . FBI used to arrest any Mafia members and Oscar Goodman always got them released. FBI always skipped to tell 5th amendment clauses Later, FBI always said You have right remain silence ,,, Do you know Mafia killers put dead body in large Drum Cans to float on ocean but yak violent groups show off victims body? Just compare difference. BTW police in USA kill citizens, not Mafia members. You can not vompare Yak and Mafia, though when your info is from these sloppy links.

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Isn't it true that Japan doesn't have plea bargaining, conspiracy or anything like RICO laws? If this is the case, Japan should be more serious about eliminating organized crime.

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"But unlike their foreign counterparts, they are not illegal and each of the designated groups have their own headquarters." - LOL What?

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@GWAUG. 30, 2015 - 12:17PM JST All they have to do is send in the tax office for proper audits & they should be able to easily shut them down.............but they NEVER do! And yeah cops politicians, yakuza all connected, always have been

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When Taoka ordered his subordinates that all members to do legitimate business beccause they can not depend on income from gambling business, a majority started small business that Ygumi invested and members increased. These new members were very stupid uneducated hot tempered thugs who cannot learn ABC of bookkeeping, Japanese law enforcement offices could get cooperation of Tax agency (ZeiMuSho) but they have been missing chances to crack Y down, In USA. IRS destroyed Al Capone's illegal bootlegging business, not FBI. That was many years ago.

With taxic leaking problems, maybe tops seem to eradicate brainless members. Lucky for them, they just get dismissed in Japan.

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Things here in Kobe are warming up regrettably lots of movement and stressed out members about. Why did i chose Kobe and especially this location? Hate these scum! Not a big fan of the boys in blue but hope they deal with this well and protect the public, otherwise is could get messy! Interesting though as i mentioned before normally the local police presence is ramped up (flashing lights and more patrols) but if anything i am seeing less of them. Fingers crossed!

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@Jason CampbellAUG. 31, 2015 - 01:16AM JST "But unlike their foreign counterparts, they are not illegal and each of the designated groups have their own headquarters." - LOL What?

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Yes, they are registered the same way any corpprations and business register. Just like golf clubs and sport fun clubs. This way, they wouldn't try to join clubs that hate to have yakuza members. Some complained subtle ways of discrimination.

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Depending on the character of the group itself, its rules and the level of commitment each member expresses, the situation may evolve in different directions. I think it's most likely that the group is involved in several conflicts with other entities (legal and illegal, beside the police), which force the group to maintain a strict set of rules and principles. In such a scenario, members of the group must form a monolith. No diversity is welcome. Assuming the member's affiliation to the gang is their only social identity, the group would probably express high tendency towards hiding internal conflicts. In a case like this, any struggle that would be exposed in the group would be a noticeable threat to the existence of the gang itself. At least that's what microsociology says. This news shows that such a conflict did indeed appear. There is a high chance that it's the beginning of the end for them, and new structures of power are about to emerge in nearest time. Still, it's just my personal speculation. There is not enough data to really say something more definite.

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Back to 1978, After Taoka declared no more war in Ohsaka TokumotoGumi of Y vs MizoguchiGumi of MatsudaGumi because nobody wanted to sit with Y's KokenNin, and nobody wanted ChusaiNin, MitodokeNin in Summer Taoka was shot.

With these past evect, police forces must be worrying. Also Y headquarter. It has been ostracized by all other yakuza organizations in Japan.

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If you study the last 150 years of Japan's history - and especially the books about Japanese history written by invesigative investigators like Sterling Seagrave, you will discover that the reason that the Yakuza is able to continue to operate legally in plain sight, is because the Japanese Government, the Royal Family, the 10 largest industrialist families, and the Yakuza are all one in the same. And that's one of the main reasons why the Japanese Royal family was able to keep most of the welath it plundered with the help of Prince Chichibu, from all of the countries they invaded. And yes, that was sanctioned by none other than McArthur while he was in control of Japan after WW2. It was a strategy he used to ensure that America was able to maintain control in Japan after the surrender without having to keep literally keep hundreds of thousands of American troops.

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@Nicholas Tee "the Yakuza is able to continue to operate legally in plain sight, is because the Japanese Government, the Royal Family, the 10 largest industrialist families, and the Yakuza are all one in the same."

very interesting, very interesting, indeed

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Like the Italian Mafia and Chinese triads, the yakuza engage in everything from gambling, drugs and prostitution to loan sharking, protection rackets and white-collar crime.

But unlike their foreign counterparts, they are not illegal and each of the designated groups have their own headquarters.

That's the problem right there.

None of these activities are technically "Legal" in Japan...so how come organisations that profit from them are?

The whistling blind man with a brown envelope in his back pocket has never had it so good.

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But unlike their foreign counterparts, they are not illegal and each of the designated groups have their own headquarters.

Unlike their foreign counterparts? The Hells Angels are a gang, with headquarters, chapters, meetings and all that, and everyone knows they are into illegal stuff. And they still exist.

This isn't a Japanese only thing.

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In a tiny country like Japan:

"the Yakuza (893) is able to continue to operate legally in plain sight, is because the Japanese Government, the Royal Family, the 10 largest industrialist families, and the Yakuza are all one in the same."

no wonder millions of yens are wisely spent for charitie, huge technology spending, military spending, mental illness facilities, planned parenthood, not to mention Myagi, Iwate, Fukushima, and Okinawa can get so much help and benefits.

Of course its not only a Japan thang

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If only kazuma kiryu were real to fix all this

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@Strangerland

But unlike their foreign counterparts, they are not illegal and each of the designated groups have their own headquarters.

Unlike their foreign counterparts? The Hells Angels are a gang, with headquarters, chapters, meetings and all that, and everyone knows they are into illegal stuff. And they still exist.

This isn't a Japanese only thing.

Dude...I never said this. It was a quote from the article that the quote function didn't pick up.

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The gambling is not illegal in Japan. Horse racing existed before war was over. kuji such as tomikuji and takarakuji. After war, bike racing, etc. Difference between legal gambling Difference is yakuzas' do not pay income tax. Two types of yakuzas: yskuza means 8 9 3 adding last digit is 0. lose in hanafuda gambles. Other one .... Tekiya meaning target shooting business. Not gun but toy arrow to throw on target board. In feudal era, They were only other territory people who could travel in other area as they get travel pass (tegata) to open outdoor sales at festivals. So, ninjas mingled with them. Merchant day time, evening sneak into underneath of samurai generals' house. After Meiji Ishin they lost jobs and so they and their descendent became tekiyas. They created ShinNouKai. When wounded soldiers could not get any help, tekiya groups welcomed and gave outdoor sales business and so their members increased. Meanwhile their crippled members did not have to go on Ikka Shinju (suicide of entire family members) as they had itinerant business income. Many of them were entertainers such as singers EnkaShi, ShakuHachi Musician, Circus business etc. At Kyushu war, a person who negotiated peace between Kyushu groups and YamaguchiGumi was a Tekiya Oyabun. They have same type of organiziation that they are classified as Yakuza in Japan.

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I don't like bullies and in large part the Yakuza work by bullying people. However if the Yakuza disappeared I think they would be replaced by the Russian mafia as has happened in much of Europe. The Russian mafia are truly ruthless, we really don't want that. Of course you can't assume the Yakuza wouldn't work with other mafia groups if it suited them. If Japan is to get rid of the Yakuza safely it will need very competent state security agencies to avoid a power vacuum. Of course increasing the power of the states security agencies is not necessarily in the democratic interest either. Difficult issues.

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I'm pretty sure the Mafia is not illegal either. I've never heard of anyone being arrested for being a Mafia member. They are arrested for the crimes they commit and conspire to commit.

In Italy, being a member of the mafia has been illegal since a special law to address this very problem was passed in 1982. It is known as the "416 bis" and has been the key component of many successful prosecutions precisely because it criminalizes membership in Cosa Nostra. Maybe something similar could be done for the Yakuza.

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"I don't like bullies and in large part the Yakuza work by bullying people. However if the Yakuza disappeared I think they would be replaced by the Russian mafia"

Many would argue that Japan has very very tight (even if they tried marriage and baby anchors) immigration rules , and very osekai neighbors, soon the the immigration officers, Japanese nationalist, wingers, and the nationalistic Japanese police would be tipped off on many levels on the island and would intervene and implement large scale deportations.

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Ygumi always tell whatever violence their members do are uastifiable and shift blames to its victims. Hope J P are very careful on this new movement, I'd bet.

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