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Will every barroom brawl involving a soldier become national news?

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Its just a matter of time until they ban drinking in Japan for service members. What an idiot.

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Right about now, the U.S. ambassador and the commander of U.S. forces in Japan must be banging their heads against the wall.

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Read it again, not a "barroom brawl".

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Will every barroom brawl involving a soldier become national news?

I guess you overlooked the bit about burglary and assaulting a 13-year-old boy?

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It's scary to think what is going to come down the pipes next. 24 hour lock-down for the military?

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US troops have it out for Japanese girls and young boys. To be sure, their extensive combat training is serving them well in these hard-fought incidents.

It also looks like American troops don't follow orders very well. That should be especially concerning to COs at every level.

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Seems this guy was in the air force and required hospital attention after he went super fly out the window.

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Seems this guy was in the air force and required hospital attention after he went super fly out the window.

We don't know the facts yet. maybe the 13-yo beat him up and tossed him out the window.

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This seems too fishy to be true. Either half the story got lost in translation (or is in the police office never to be seen again) or it's time for the US to cancel the Okinawa Reversion Treaty and just put things right (by replacing the police with military police that can actually do their jobs).

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Fair enough, not exactly a barroom brawl (although it appears to have started there and escalated upstairs). My point is that this is a yet-to-be-substantiated allegation and the police have not even confirmed anything happened, much less charged the guy with anything. And yet here we are with the US Ambassador being summoned to the Foreign Ministry...

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The COs at that base should be slapped in the brig and sent on a slow boat home to explain why disciplines is so lax on the base. For every one curfew breaking marine who ends up causing trouble there are probably a hundred who sneak out for a quiet drink and then back onto base. That there have been two incidents in the last two weeks means that the base's perimeter has been breached hundreds of times. This is a MASSIVE security risk and completely unacceptable.

I think this is the big issuse everyone is missing here are that discipline is non-existant, and the base's security is compromised.

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basroil Nov. 02, 2012 - 01:37PM JST

Right. So the US troops are causing the problems and the answer is to put more troops in Okinawa and put the islands back under US control? That ought to go over like a lead balloon. How about this alternative; take these troops home or The Philippines or Guam.

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I think this is the big issuse everyone is missing here are that discipline is non-existant, and the base's security is compromised.

Certainly true of the base discipline. As for security, it seems that much is done to keep people off of the bases but little done to keep people in. The US is protecting itself while leaving the community vulnerable from its own troops.

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The COs at that base should be slapped in the brig and sent on a slow boat home to explain why disciplines is so lax on the base.

@ Frungy, that will not do anything but just lead to an incident like this one. Holding the CO accountable for actions that some knucklehead does off duty will not solve anything. The CO has overall responsiblity for his personnel and operations, and if it was found that they were doing things in an official capacity and were negligent because they had not been trained properly, or were operating equipment that was defective and the CO knew of this and went ahead, then the CO is responsible. Otherwise, it will not work. If I were a CO and knew that 20 years of my life could be wasted because of the silly actions of a person working below me, then I would make sure that none of them ever left base. That serves my purpose, but not the overall purpose of the military.

People want the military CO's to be held accountable for zero tolerance, what if every politician were held to that same standard? Things wouldn't really work.

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obviously they know one another so there's definitely much more to this story...

for the sake of argument, it seems that at this point, any sort of fracas involving any US serviceman will get them in trouble

of course, violating the curfew is an idiot move

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obviously they know one another so there's definitely much more to this story...

Why is it obvious that a US serviceman would know a 13-yo boy who happens to live in the same building as a local pub? That tends to make the this thing a whole lot freakier.

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Though all the facts of this incident are not out yet I will say this in response to some of the above comments. Those whose drink especially to excess do tend to make "fishy" choices. Personally I would not be surprised if all of this account were true. Just saying.

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Combinibento is correct. Thumbs up.

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@ taro many of tour statements are broad generalizations about service members. The one that particularly caught my eye was the one about following orders. 1/47000 does not equal most. 47000/1 means that 99.999% do what they are supposed to. So if they are guilty punish them accordingly. I am personally relieved that in the case it seems the only one hurt was the alleged perpetrator. But as for guy if he did it. Punish him to the full extent of the law and make an example. I know there will be some rash action put in place by the local commands punishing everyone, but look at what it has accomplished so far since they instigated the curfew, one guy died and another seems to have assaulted a minor. It just goes to show that these mass punishments are an exercise in futility, If someone is intent on causing trouble they will find a way regardless of the rules or restrictions. I support the US presence here, I do not however support the actions of the selfish individuals who through their stupid actions would threaten our long friendship.

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the military really needs to screen more carefully who they allow in..I know so many awful soldiers from the news and from my personal life and they give the really great soldiers a bad name all over the world.

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Why is it obvious that a US serviceman would know a 13-yo boy who happens to live in the same building as a local pub? That tends to make the this thing a whole lot freakier.

when was the last time you saw drunk dudes climb?

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I am personally relieved that in the case it seems the only one hurt was the alleged perpetrator.

The only one hospitalized was the perpetrator. The young boy was punched. That probably hurt. His home was broken into, a violation of human decency and private property rights which is sure to have some lasting effects. And he now has to replace a broken TV. That hurts the pocketbook. So, you should take another look at your relief.

As for not following orders being a generality, do you think that your statistics matter at all to this young boy? Or to the girl who was attacked just days ago? Do you think that US commanders in Japan will be effective in using these statistics to defend questions from the Pentagon about the deterioration of the situation in Okinawa? How much collateral damage should Okinawans suffer to maintain this long friendship?

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As for not following orders being a generality, do you think that your statistics matter at all to this young boy? Or to the girl who was attacked just days ago? Do you think that US commanders in Japan will be effective in using these statistics to defend questions from the Pentagon about the deterioration of the situation in Okinawa? How much collateral damage should Okinawans suffer to maintain this long friendship?

As for your first statement I am sure statistics don't matter to those affected by these crimes, they are left only to wonder why this happened at all. Which is the same question I would ask in their place. It is the prosecutor in their cases job to make sure that those guilty are made to answer for these types of crimes. 1 incident is too many I agree in a perfect world that is true. But in the real world that we all live in things are going to happen. As I have said in other related articles as well though, if your intention is to remove all American presence in Japan then get people elected who will make your voice a reality. Standby then to have JMSDF, and JGSDF move into those vacated bases. If you think that there are just going to plow under good airfields and military facilities and turn them into pineapple fields you are kidding yourself. And with the troops will come the same crime. Just with a different face. As for the second part of that statement. Yes I think they could be effective arguing the statistics to the pentagon. The statistics say the overwhelmingly majority of service members are behaving and doing what the are supposed to.

As far as recruitment comments (by others), check out the backgrounds of those involved before you criticize the organization as a whole.

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This is not good, maybe Japan should make an exception about the gun law's like the NRA really like and let the Okinawan's defend themselves with guns. IMHO

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Too many unexplained and missing facts to this story. Why was the front door to the apartment open/unlocked? Where was the boy's mother, etc.?

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Standby then to have JMSDF, and JGSDF move into those vacated bases. If you think that there are just going to plow under good airfields and military facilities and turn them into pineapple fields you are kidding yourself. And with the troops will come the same crime. Just with a different face.

Yes...but a Japanese face. And one whose only job is to protect Japan whereas the Americans are admittedly here to protect their own interests in Asia, some of which just happen to include Japan. If you cannot acknowledge the difference that makes, then we have reached an impasse, which would also describe the current situation on Okinawa.

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Why was the front door to the apartment open/unlocked?

Totally irrelevant. Would you excuse someone from entering your house uninvited because your door was unlocked?

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@taro The only problem is the Japan does not have the capacity to defend itself in any more than a token effort. Why do you think everyone freaks out when ever North Korea rattles the sabre or has a deep fear of what China may do.

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My guess is that this guy gets drunk and rowdy, is asked to leave the bar and then feels, he'll get revenge on the bar owner, assuming that it's his flat he's breaking into. Plausible ?

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My guess is that this guy gets drunk and rowdy, is asked to leave the bar and then feels, he'll get revenge on the bar owner, assuming that it's his flat he's breaking into. Plausible ?

Who cares? Nothing excuses his acts.

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What are these guys drinking down there "liquid stupid"? They know that tension is very high at this point. Seems like they need to adopt a buddy system when they go out drinking in bars. Just require one member to stay sober so he can keep everyone in line. Seems like things may get tougher after this latest incident.

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The only problem is the Japan does not have the capacity to defend itself in any more than a token effort.

Who knows how Japan will developed diplomatically or militarily if the Americans leave. To be sure, the government will not be able to sit on its hands and let the US dominate its foreign policy and security. Who can assume that it will not change a lot in Japan which needs changing. The point is, it is not for America to make that decision.

One also has to ask if the friendship and alliance between the two nations hinges solely on allowing Japan to be America's beachhead in Asia. Would we no longer be friends and allies if some of the troops on Okinawa were removed? Would America's nuclear umbrella no longer cover Japan in the event of a global crisis? What exactly is the basis of the relationship?

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So he just suddenly became violent and went to this boys apartment and punched him for no reason? I'm sure there is a lot more to this story. Sadly, we may never know. The curfews and restrictions will only make this worse. Service members are under a lot of stress because of these things.

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Service members are under a lot of stress because of these things.

Because they can't go out and drink into early in the morning? I can think of a lot more stressful things that the average person deals with every day than pulling an all-night kegger in an Okinawa bar.

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We should not make too much fuss about this though it is regrettable. Crimes happen anywhere and I hear the crime rate of military personnels is lower than the average rates. Japan relies her defense on U.S. Forces and they have to risk their lives for Japan in case of a conflict. I say "Get Americans angry and say we are getting out of Okinawa and Japan if Okinawans and Japanese are not happy with us."!

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i feel bad for all bar owners in areas outside US bases. say goodbye to business for at least the next few months. hope you have money saved up to feed your kids.

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crampNOV. 02, 2012 - 02:34PM JST when was the last time you saw drunk dudes climb?

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/u-s-seaman-found-dead-in-train-station-accidental-electrocution-suspected

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Unfortunate. The will eb taken very seriously by all sides.

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"He also broke a TV, media reported."

Shouldn't it be, 'allegedly' broke a TV? Irresponsible reporting, if not bias.

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Re: front door being open with junior high school kid asleep inside.

taro67, "Totally irrelevant. Would you excuse someone from entering your house uninvited because your door was unlocked?" What do you know that we don't? Japanese people do not leave their front doors unlocked at night.

Was the mother working in the bar? Did she and this airman have some kind of relationship? Was he looking to find her there? Did the kid know him?

Not excusing him for a minute but was his anger totally random/off-the-wall or was there reason behind his drunken actions? Surely these are the kinds of things the authorities should be investigating.

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Please refrain from speculating like this. It is not relevant.

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People are too quick to jump to conclusions. Even in Japan, the guy is innocent until proven guilty (no cops saw the events), so anything stating he is guilty is irrelevant.

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UsagitoSaruNov. 02, 2012 - 02:29PM JST

the military really needs to screen more carefully who they allow in..I know so many awful soldiers from the news and from my personal life and they give the really great soldiers a bad name all over the world.

How do you propose we do that, do you know the process in which civilians are put through to be accepted into the branches of Military? It certainly isn't easy, only less than 1% of the total population is actually qualified to join the service. They go through tests, screenings and interviews.

What is your solution, yes, seems that there is a problem. What do you have as a plan that allows those military members to have their freedoms at the same time ensure the public's safety from those who can't follow rules?

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Also, under Japanese law breaking and entering is a serious crime, but if the front door was unlocked, then from this angle, things are different. The door being unlocked again becomes relevant. Assault and destruction of property will be the main focus of the charge.

But with the internal stresses in Okinawa right now, this kind of thoughtless, self-centered madness could not have come at a worse moment. They'll all throw whatever is available at him, I guess.

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Yes...but a Japanese face. And one whose only job is to protect Japan whereas the Americans are admittedly here to protect their own interests in Asia, some of which just happen to include Japan. If you cannot acknowledge the difference that makes, then we have reached an impasse, which would also describe the current situation on Okinawa.

No I can't see the difference. Is rape and murder more acceptable when it's a Japanese perpetrator? The crime is just as devestating to the victim and family regardless of who It is. And what does it matter if his only job is to protect Japan when he rapes and assaults his own people? When japanese/okinwans commit crimes the general attitude is "shoganai, it happens." but suddenly that changes when its an service member.

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Was the mother working in the bar? Did she and this airman have some kind of relationship? Was he looking to find her there? Did the kid know him?

Why should the police investigate those things? Even if your speculations are correct, does that change anything?

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Where is the Japan or Okinawa version supporters of the NRA?? You know, the National Rifle Association?? I bet if that kid had his own gun, he could have stood his ground like back in Texas or Florida, shot that stupid drunk guy and save us all the time and $$ from having to prosecute this drunk fool.

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I've said this in another post and I'll say it again. Incidents like this will continue to happen as long as humans exist on this planet. As long as military personnel are stationed here incidents like this will happen. Likewise, as long as military personnel are stationed here some military personnel will do very good deeds here on Okinawa and in mainland Japan. There are good apples and bad apples. We all have to ride the waves. None of the bad things should be happening but they do. Bad news is that senior leadership can't take everyone one of these people by the hand. They simply have to be trusted and chances have to be taken. More incidents coming I'm sure. Sad but reality.

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With repeat incidents like this, HEADS HAVE GOT TO ROLL

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I'm willing to bet that this guy wasn't the only US military out "breaking curfew." My previous experience with the media tells me that that the complete curfew imposed on all the military bases is more lip service than anything. Japan needs to strengthen its military and the US needs to go.

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What the heck is going on down south? Seriously, us Troops up in Misawa just can't understand why these idiots are doing Stupid stuff. These fools are making us look disgraceful....sigh I just don't understand. I Love being a service member and being able to go to different countries and work with the locals, heck me and a few Japanese Nationals will spend all day just working on cars for fun on the weekends. You don't need to drink to have a great time in Japan. I think it's time to lock that base down like the bases at deployed locations (No going off base, No Drinking, etc). I bet if they locked it down for a couple years they might get some respect back from the community, but it might take a long time for that respect to be regained.

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Japan needs to strengthen its military and the US needs to go.

The US has been trying to get Japan to do this since the Korean war. Let's see if the Japanese people have more luck.

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America hs no respect at all to asian countries...only fools believes their military protection is safe

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It is very obvious that the soldier committed the crime outside the base under the curfew. It seems that soldiers do not obey the rule or easily break it. As for recent crimes, Need more severe penalty for morons.

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Just-a-bigguy Is very right. I am sure he is a Japanese. If America disappear tomorrow, Asia would become a paradise like before America came.

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Japan must be protected by Japanese!

The US should have told it to Japan a long time ago, and Build up its strong military to protect!

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I thought there was a restriction on these idiots being allowed off-base? Why was he even away from his camp in the first place?

And he was such a big brave soldier/airman/whatever to punch a little boy and kick a TV. Pity he never did more damage to himself when he went out the window. How many more incidents are going to happen like this and the rape last week?

Someone said above that if the US leaves the same incidents will happen if the SDF take over. How many incidents are there of Japanese military personnel going apesh*t and committing crimes like this?

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Why was the bar serving him alcohol after the curfew?

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What are these guys drinking down there "liquid stupid"?

Actually it's called awamori.

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I am glad that actions of 3 clearly unintelligent US servicemen make everyone generalize that all US servicemen "have it out for Japanese girls and boys". First off, the 2 dumbass sailors were not stationed at that base, so why should that base CO get sent to the brig? Maybe their CO back in Texas should get sent to the brig. Clearly the airman wasn't following orders (being off base after cerfew), but if he lived off base that would be an easy way for him to think he wouldn't get caught. Not all airmen live on base. Also, these incidents all seem to be happening at just one base, so for the idiots down in Okinawa, we all suffer. My husband can't even go get lunch during his shift anymore because the shopettes aren't 24 hours and he can no longer go off base (like they used to do every night). Most of us are grown up enough to control ourselves and have respect for the Japanese Nationals, as this is their country, and we are merely guests here.

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People are too quick to jump to conclusions. Even in Japan, the guy is innocent until proven guilty (no cops saw the events), so anything stating he is guilty is irrelevant. You too it seems, jumping to conclusions that is. In Japan you are not innocent until proven guilty. You are innocent as long as you hold on and refuse to give in to the cops interrogating you. They will if necessary create the "facts" to fit the charges.

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Why didn't the bar kick him out at 2300?? I guess as long as they were getting money, they would look the other way?

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Hey, be polite in your host country, at least! Do whatever you like back in the US, but maybe take a lesson or two on East Asia before you land in Japan?! Be sorry for real, you can't say sorry on one hand and make it happen all the same on another. Door locked or not does not help him in the case, neither being drunk an excuse, unless he is mentally ill ( proven by an expert), entering a private property and assaulting a teenager shouldn't be legally accepted, bones broken or not. When he checks out of the base hospital, he should be taken to local police for questioning and been pressed charges against. Excuses? Apologies? Save your breath to cool the porridge. We need justice and to set precedent, god knows how many similar cases will come up in the future?!

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No other substance has caused nearly the amount of death, chaos, crime, and pain as the abuse of alcohol. And to make matters worse, it is almost ignored as a poison, or even a drug. It boggles my mind when I see how ignorant these young serviceman are concerning alcohol. This serviceman should have refrained from using alcohol if he was not able to use it moderately. The path of safety always lies on the conservative side. Sadly the American culture seems to be saturated with booze, booze, booze. I wouldn't be surprised if drinking is an epidemic problem in America especially among young people. The military needs to educate these young serviceman about the evils of alcohol. Another serviceman throws mud on the U.S. ambassador. How embarrassing and uncomfortable it must be. The honorable Mr. Ambassador will again have to go extend a deep, sincere apology to the foreign ministry. It's unfortunate but this type of incident doesn't help improve the relationship between Okinawa and the U.S.A.

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To Jimmy Mills: Did I miss something here? I don't see anything in this article that says this "alleged" incident happened during curfew hours.

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Maybe he thought the boy was the intruder in his own apartment. Or it is just an alibi for the one who threw him out of the window. Did the boy suffer any fractures, concussion, or laceration? Smells fishy from the start. For those silly comments about the US Forces, make no mistake, none of their actions are condoned by the US Forces leadership. On the contrary, there is alway orientation training and troops are encouraged to be good ambassadors. Unlike certain country in Asia which promoted flagrant violations of basic human dignity and rights, through forced slavery and forced prostitution and indiscriminate murder of non-combatants.

Has any officials, Okinawans, Japanese, and Americans have taken the trouble of taking statistics of the type and quantity of drinks alleged offenders have taken during the previous hours before the incident? That Awamori and Happoshu mixed together probably has something to do with some of these incidents.

Why are we in Japan, the main purpose is to keep Japan in check from repeating past war atrocities. Same goes for Germany and Italy. If we leave, then we probably need to work with China to set bases there to watch Japan.

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I don't see anything in this article that says this "alleged" incident happened during curfew hours.

The soldier, who allegedly became violent at the bar before the incident at around 1 a.m. Friday, then jumped out the window, sustaining injuries that required hospitalization, reports said.

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First off the person involved is an Airman not a solider . Because there was a curfew imposed his immediate commander can give him an Article 15 which is considered non-judicial punishment. That said the airman can also be tried in a military court even though he was punished by his commander. Under the Status of Forces agreement he can be turn over to local authorities and be tried in a civilian court.

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"the suspect is being treated at the base hospital"

If he's guilty, he should be kicked out of the military and made to seek medical treatment at a non-military hospital without insurance. And, of course, made to pay compensation to the boy and buy him a new TV.

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Under the Status of Forces agreement he can be turn over to local authorities and be tried in a civilian court.

Too bloody right... it happened on Japanese soil, so he should be turned over to the local bobbies. Bloody stupid airman. I'm just dreading one of these idiots taking a weapon out with him...

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Tomdemicke said it:

As long as military personnel are stationed here incidents like this will happen.

One can see his point.

This is not something that can be handled by a curfew or a few COs getting stricter.

The only solution is to move these guys - all of them - and their Ospreys and WMDs OUT of here.

Okinawans want no rape, no violence, no US military, NO BASES.

Someone else suggested that the Okinawans should appeal to their government.

We do, but, all they do is shut their ears, tell lies and suck up to the Americans.

The Japanese government doesn't listen to the Okinawans because it's not really a Japanese government.

It's an American puppet government.

But Okinawa is not going to stand for this much longer.

Time to leave, guys.

Bye!

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Considering that there is a massive campaign in Okinawa to rid themselves of the U.S. Military I have my doubts regarding the accuracy of events in this story.

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Jimmy Mills,

You ask:

Why was the bar serving him alcohol after the curfew?

You are one of many Americans who don't seem to realise that outside the base is ANOTHER COUNTRY. It goes by its own moral codes, laws and ways of behaviour. The whole world is NOT the U.S.A.

A bar in Japan closes when its last customer leaves.

The curfew is for US MILITARY ON BASE.

It doesn't apply to Okinawa.

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basroil,

The entire thing stinks of lies.

And how on Earth would you know?

If you KNOW something we don't know, do tell us.

If you are just letting your imagination run riot, don't bother.

Anyone can do that.

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You are one of many Americans who don't seem to realise that outside the base is ANOTHER COUNTRY. It goes by its own moral codes, laws and ways of behaviour. The whole world is NOT the U.S.A.

You can't say we hate Americans and want them locked on base when you gladly serve them after a known curfew. Cut him off at 2230 and tell him to go home. Continually serving someone who is already drunk is bad.

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Darknuts-san,

The US has been trying to get Japan to do this since the Korean war.

No. That doesn't happen to be true.

It's been pushing to build up its military presence in Japan, particularly in Okinawa.

http://www.japanfocus.org/-Jitsuro-Terashima/3398

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I could not believe my ears when i heard this today,and an air force member! I thought those guys were "smarter" now this moron not only violated curfew but assaulted a 13 year old,destroyed personal property and basically screwed it up even more for everyone stationed on okinawa.and 24 years old at that SMDH.

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Jimmy Mills,

A guy walks into a bar. The barman serves him. It gets late. He gets really drunk.

At this point:

IN THE STATES:

The barman refuses to serve him more alcohol and tells him to go home because if he doesn't he might lose his license to serve alcohol. It's his responsibility to decide whether the customer has had enough or not.

IN JAPAN:

The barman continues to serve him. Whatever state the guy ends up in, he is not going to lose his license. He assumes that the customer has enough responsibility to know when to stop. He gives him the right to choose.

It doesn't matter whether you agree with this or not. This is the situation.

There are gates around the US bases. Inside the gate, US laws and morals apply. Outside the gate ISN'T the U.S.A. It's Japan. OTHER RULES APPLY THERE.

Is this hard to understand.

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A guy walks into a bar. The barman serves him. It gets late. He gets really drunk.

I don't get it.

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There is no way to keep all these aggressive young men, trained to fight and kill, as well as hormonally charged, completely caged. You collect that many males of that age anywhere, and you can expect challenges.

As for me, I'm all for pulling the troops; it costs way too much money to keep them here. Of course, the Japanese may then need to deal with foreigners not likely to confine their soldiers to bases on strict curfews. The enemies Japan made in WW2 have not forgotten, nor will they forget. Sooner or later that piper will need to be paid. Japan needs those troops there a lot more than the US needs those troops there. Be careful what you wish for, someday you just may get it!

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Jimmy Mills

According to Okinawa Times, the bar owner told him to go at around 23:00 and the serviceman got violent.

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20121102-00000029-okinawat-oki 男はアパート1階の飲食店で1日午後8時半ごろから酒を飲み、同11時ごろに店主が帰宅を促すと店内で暴れだしたという。

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BertieWooster "Okinawans want no rape, no violence, no US military, NO BASES."

So when the US military leaves there will be no crime on Okinawa?! Surrreeeelllyyy THEN there will be nothing left but sunshine, roses, and unicorns on Okinawa =D Who are you kidding????

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BertieWoosterNov. 02, 2012 - 07:56PM JST

You are one of many Americans who don't seem to realise that outside the base is ANOTHER COUNTRY. It goes by its own moral codes, laws and ways of behaviour. The whole world is NOT the U.S.A.

You are one of many Okinawans that don't understand the concept of hypocrisy. The point he was making is that the bar should have, fulling knowing that the customer was military and under curfew, asked the man to leave. They are authorized under Japanese law to remove the man from the establishment, and a moral obligation to do so.

A bar in Japan closes when its last customer leaves.

The curfew is for US MILITARY ON BASE.

It doesn't apply to Okinawa.

No, the curfew is for military personnel in Japan. Has nothing to do with bases or okinawa. Doesn't matter if they are at home with their wives or hotel seeing their half dying mother, they all have it. At the same time, while it doesn't apply to other people, it sure as hell is pertinent to them. If they see a soldier out when they are supposed to be indoors, they shouldn't help them break the rules by serving them or picking a fight.

It's all about being a good neighbor. If you keep insulting and treating them as scum, you'll get scum. If you treat them as you would another Japanese person, you'll find that only those who enjoy the local life and follow the rules will want to be out and about.

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Wow, this is the Storm in a teacup! It's so ridiculous. Someone has to warn the Okinawans that RPC is waiting,for the departure of the U.S. military to take its place,as happened in the Philippines . Shortly, the Okinawans will have to return the schools to learn Mandarin Chinese.

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simply shameful

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simply shameful

The kind of behavior that compels superiors to make apology tours.

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This bar is in an area with plenty of off-base housing, according to the news. When he wakes up this guy will be in a world of pain.

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Wow, this is the Storm in a teacup! It's so ridiculous.

How so? A member of the US military assaults a 13 yr old child, after illegal entry to the child's place of residence and you call it a "storm in a teacup"? Geez pray tell what is serious to you?

To everyone else: Give credit to the owner of the bar for telling the guy to go when the curfew time approached, at least he tried to look out for his customer. He has ZERO responsibility in seeing that the guy follows orders.

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So when the US military leaves there will be no crime on Okinawa?!

No, there will be no more crimes by military GUESTS that are on Okinawa

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basroil,

The point he was making is that the bar should have, fulling knowing that the customer was military and under curfew, asked the man to leave.

How do you KNOW they even knew about the curfew?

Really, dear fellow, you do tend to let your imagination run away with you at times.

My point is that the bar in question is NOT on base.

The thug who got drunk and incapable is a GUEST in this country. But he certainly didn't act like one.

If the US military wants to remain here, it does NOT need any more of this kind of behaviour from its military personnel.

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issa1

this is the Storm in a teacup!

A storm in a teacup?

When a grown adult strikes a 13 year old kid?

Then goes on a drunk hissy fit and smashes the TV?

No, it's not a storm in a teacup.

If you want a metaphor, it's a bull in a china shop.

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meemaw-san,

When the US military finally leaves, Okinawa will be left with all its crime and violence MINUS the crimes committed by US military thugs.

Ergo LESS crime than now.

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kobejim-san,

As for me, I'm all for pulling the troops; it costs way too much money to keep them here.

It certainly costs Japan far too much to keep them here.

TWO BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!

http://www.japantoday.com/category/commentary/view/japan-balks-at-2-billion-bill-to-host-us-troops

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This discussion is about crimes committed by US military personnel in Okinawa.

Specifically one guy who couldn't hold his liquor, went berserk when was told to leave a bar, punching out a kid of 13 and destroying private property.

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Okinawans want no rape, no violence,

Nobody wants any. Lock the perp, jail or madhouse. His background does not matter, he's proven that he's too dangerous to go free, in Okinawa, in the States, anywhere.

My point is that the bar in question is NOT on base.

Totally, it's a bar run by locals. But so that drunkard patron could have been Okinawan, a person of any nationality visiting as a tourist, for studies, for business, to escape crazy grannies we have in Kansai... The guy didn't do his crime as part of his job, in relation of his job, it's private crime.

no US military, NO BASES.

That's another issue. I agree they should leave. 6 decades after the end of the war, occupants should do what population wants. By principle. Even if they were all exemplary at 100% (and these day they are surely at 99%), they should leave. And you don't need to list common crimes to make the point. That doesn't even help because that puts the problem down at the level of "tonari no meiwaku"...

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Slight objection to the translation in line 2 of the article. No Japanese news source that I have read says that he 'broke' into the home. They are clear that the front door was unlocked, so 侵入 'shinyu' in this context means "illegally entered, entered without permission, trespassed", etc.

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so what happened between 2300-0100? Seems to be a big gap of time missing....

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Yubaru, Wow, this is the Storm in a teacup! It's so ridiculous. How so? A member of the US military assaults a 13 yr old child, after illegal entry to the child's place of residence and you call it a "storm in a teacup"? Geez pray tell what is serious to you? To everyone else: Give credit to the owner of the bar for telling the guy to go when the curfew time approached, at least he tried to look out for his customer. He has ZERO responsibility in seeing that the guy follows orders.

This is very strange, don't you think? First,we have the case of the alleged rape, soon after, we have this alleged assault of this child by an American military,in less than thirty days.The Japan can't afford to lose the support now of the North American army. The people of Okinawa have acted like a spoiled child. Ingratitude would be the more correct term. The question is who will whether come out winning the bases U.S. come out of Okinawa.

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Specifically one guy who couldn't hold his liquor, went berserk when was told to leave a bar, punching out a kid of 13 and destroying private property.

I he went beserk at 2300 when he was told to leave, how did this happen at 0100? something is missing in this story

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This is very strange, don't you think? First,we have the case of the alleged rape, soon after, we have this alleged assault of this child by an American military,in less than thirty days.The Japan can't afford to lose the support now of the North American army. The people of Okinawa have acted like a spoiled child. Ingratitude would be the more correct term. The question is who will whether come out winning the bases U.S. come out of Okinawa.

Why are 75% of the US bases in Okinawa?

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I can see a perfectly simple solution to all of this - site the new bases for US forces on the government owned land in the Senkaku Islands.

No civilians, no need for a curfew, strategic location, no base protesters, no civilian police, no Osprey restrictions, the land was under US military control and even used as a bombing range when it was under US sovereignty up to when it was returned to Japan by the US, great publicity being seen to be doing something to protect the sovereignty of Okinawan territory... It puts US forces closer to Taiwan, who isn't going to complain because they are there to defend Taiwan too - puts China in its place.

For the soldiers, a little less interesting than Okinawa, but no threat of having to deal with schools and housing areas that move to the areas beside your airfields and then complain about noise and safety as has happened on the main island.

Honestly, someone explain to me how this wouldn't be a total win-win situation for everyone?

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Please don't get me wrong, I am not making up any excuse for this incident. What sickens me is the generalization of accusations in regards to US Military personnel conduct. Blanket statements like "Americans are the root of evil" reflect ignorance and inconsideration on JN part. Your demands (i.e. accountability for ALL US personnel) are just not realistic and it seems that a few insane individuals is all it takes for JN to forget about the abundance of good deeds of the US Forces (i.e. Operation Tomodachi トモダチ作戦).

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nandakandaman-san,

Slight objection to the translation in line 2 of the article. No Japanese news source that I have read says that he 'broke' into the home.

No, laddie.

The definition of break in (Oxford Dictionary) is:

a forced or unconsented entry into a building, car, computer system, etc.

The drunk broke into the apartment. I'm sure the kid didn't welcome him. I think break in is correct.

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Meemaw - I find it always kind of galling that whenever there is an incident like this, US personnel start flooding sites like this hitting back at criticism by insisting that military forces should be measured by the same standards of discipline and codes of behaviour as civilians, and saying that somehow uniformed soldiers here are all here as individuals and don't represent the US or the military that they represent.

I mean, sure, if we are talking about a car mechanics convention with a few out of control drinkers causing havoc, sure! They are badly behaved short term tourist/visitors. But when you talk about the US military, for starters you have an issue with the fact that these are still naturally intimidating big, foreign, trained to fight and kill personnel from a different country stationed overwhelmingly in what remains de facto occupied land, who are supposed to be the most disciplined and professional fighting force on the planet. So you can't understand why civilians get a little upset when foreign soldiers rape schoolgirls, or break into a home and beat a middle school kid in his own bedroom.

Yes, it is a case of a few bad apples, but before the good apples turn around and start attacking Japan back, how about some recognition that you do represent a common powerful military entity, and a common national flag on a collective basis here, and direct your anger at the people who are here shaming America and the good reputation of the majority in the US military by dishonoring its reputation with pretty abhorrent conduct like this.

Suddenly breaking out civilian crime statistics as an excuse for military discipline and lack of honour just seems to confirm to me that the issue is that the US forces here are holding themselves to the wrong standards (and yes, I write this as a military brat myself, raised in a home where honour is a concept that means something, as it should to ALL personnel stationed here).

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Thomas Anderson-san,

Why are 75% of the US bases in Okinawa?

You ask.

A very good question.

It ties in with the comment by Meemaw-san.

Blanket statements like "Americans are the root of evil" reflect ignorance and inconsideration on JN part.

Of course. We agree with you completely on this point. The vast majority of US servicemen do not commit crimes like the one described in this article.

But, on the other hand, one tends to wonder, as Brother Anderson wonders, why there are quite so many US troops and why there are such huge facilities (20% of the total land area) on this tiny island.

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Hikozaemen,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that the military forces should be measured by a higher standard due to the instilled discipline and code of conduct. My comments were not to take that standard away from the military, it is rather to clarify and balance the anger and resentment towards the military (which is something that all good ambassadors should do; instead of blindly following and agreeing with ridiculous claims).

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HikozaemonNov. 02, 2012 - 10:15PM JST

Meemaw - I find it always kind of galling that whenever there is an incident like this, US personnel start flooding sites like this hitting back at criticism by insisting that military forces should be measured by the same standards of discipline and codes of behaviour as civilians, and saying that somehow uniformed soldiers here are all here as individuals and don't represent the US or the military that they represent.

Stop spouting conspiracy theories. The only reason it seems like that is because forums have biases.

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Basilroll - no conspiracy theory. I'm not saying all personnel flood these sites - I'm just pointing out that people commenting identifying themselves sympathetic with the offenders consistently use logic that paints the US military is subject to the same standards of self discipline and institutional integrity as a touring ice hockey team. This is a view I would presume and hope most US forces don't actually endorse, and I think it is a pretty lame "excuse" or means of hitting back at people treating this sort of thing as unacceptable, as it unquestionably is.

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I've not read any of the comments on this article, however I am stationed at Yokota AB in Tokyo and I am pissed off to say the least. It seems like Okinawa (been tdy there 18 wks) is a culprit for idiotic behavior. Punish and counsel the folks on Okinawa who are committing the crimes, not the law abiding American citizens on the "mainland" of Japan.

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basroil-san,

You're doing it again!

Stop spouting conspiracy theories.

Meemaw-san said precisely NOTHING about conspiracy theories.

From the point of view of an American serviceman, his comment was perfectly correct.

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Hmm... When I was in the Army I got a new azz ripped for me by a sergeant who saw me stumbling drunk through an airport parking lot with friends. He griped at me for 10 minutes about my boots not being tied, acting stupid, etc.. At the time, I just thought "What a jerk!" But later, I realized he was right. People who saw me thought: Look, the Army. Every single man and woman who wears the uniform (or goes off base without it, in this case) DOES represent the US military, because they are who makes it up. All these small incidents SHOULD reflect on the military, because those people should know better than to even drop a gum wrapper when there is already tension in the area. They don't have what it takes to show they can be trusted? Only human, yes, but then again it's not like they've been under curfew for 5 years either. Suck it up, service people. Show the world what we SHOULD be made of. Or resign if you're too weak for that. And give those few bad apples a blanket party if they even hint at sneaking out.

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Great posts !!!!!! (insert sarcasm) Especially the NRA comment, REALLY ???? Arm Okinawans with guns ???? Hysterically funny !!!!! I'm a veteran and I served half of my career in Japan.

I've been to Kadena, and all the other marine camps. Okinawa is such a beautiful place.

ONE MAJOR PROBLEM I can see is the ALCOHOLISM in the military. It hurts me to say this but it's a VERY SERIOUS problem in the military. Especially people serving in Japan, either because of isolation away from the U.S. or a deep rooted problem between each individual.

1) navy guys from texas 2) sasebo navy guy died at train station 3) airforce guy kadena

This time an airforce servicemen drank to much and caused problems.

Personal problems + depression + excessive drinking = Batsh!tkrazy antics

He lived outside of base. I don't know if he was married or not. But they should eliminate drinking at bars for 5 months. Life restrictions after every service signs a paper wearing not to cause problems anymore. They can drink but ONLY in their apartment or house.

Assign Chaperon or group leader If they are not RESPONSIBLE enough to drink alone or with 2 friends. They have to go out together as a group. After restrictions are over place a NEW 9pm curfew. Assign 3 or more people in groups to go out together. Assign a senior ranked enlisted person to the group. If one group member misbehaves like a little child at an amusement park. The whole group must go back.

Restrictions should be emplaced all year round. Lifting restrictions will only cause more problems. EVERY TIME restrictions is lifted more problems happen.

It's very sad that a few people destroy the image of the military.

When I was in the military I've seen crazy things. Alcoholism, Robberies, carjacking, theft and etc from my military brothers.

Alot of military members feel isolated working in Japan... Sometimes it's boredom, nothing to do, or a way to act out their personal demons.

Moving them to Guam and there will be problems in Guam too.

The main problem is ALCOHOL and drinking to much that you become a problem for everybody on the island.

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ace0813,

You write:

It seems like Okinawa (been tdy there 18 wks) is a culprit for idiotic behaviour.

It does seem so, indeed.

But one wonders why?

Perhaps it has something to do with the huge numbers of US military compared to the small population on this tiny island. There are, as far as I know, 47,000 US servicemen in Okinawa. The population of Okinawa is about 1,300,000. If you do the math on this, that means that the population of US servicemen is more than ONE THIRD of the total population of this island. Twenty percent of the island is used by 38 US bases.

There are just so many more Japanese in mainland Japan and far fewer US servicemen.

So, perhaps some of the guys posted on Okinawa think, "Well, there are so many of us that we can do what we like."

In truth, I don't know what the reason is.

But I'm relieved to hear from you and other military guys posting on this discussion that it isn't all like that.

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If I were the USFJ Commander, I would implement the same rules as South Korea. Which means curfews, night patrols by military security forces, etc.

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I feel sorry for the great majority of the 47000 US servicepeople here who behave themselves and act professionally. They are all now basically despised by most locals because of the actions of a few violent dropkicks who probably have an IQ of less than 60.

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I don't think anyone thinks 100% compliance with law is possible by all members of any group - military or otherwise. But if you ask me what the honorable way for the US forces in Japan to respond to the recent spate of pretty awful incidents, it is to double down on internal discipline, be seen to punish those responsible for dishonoring the uniforms of their fellow personnel in Japan as fully as possible, and to stand in sympathy with a public that, in light of the tense relations between much of the public in Okinawa and US forces, is understandably disturbed by these events.

You turn around with excuses like "come on, stuff happens, no one's perfect" - that's true, but that's not the level of standard the US military should be communicating it sees as acceptable internally or externally. As a patriot, I expect 100% from my countrymen, and my military, even if I know that is unattainable in practical terms. It is still the standard that should be communicated and people should be held to.

Making excuses for criminal elements of the US military (that as you say, are always going to be there) tarnishes the reputation and honor of US forces here. Which may be done out of a sense of misguided patriotism on your part, but only serves to reinforce the mistrust and shame that these people bring on their country.

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How do you KNOW they even knew about the curfew?

All military forces in Okinawa are aware of the curfew that is in effect. That is a fact.

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Bertie you need some math class 47000/1300000 is not 1/3 or 33% its 3% also 47000 is all of Japan not just Okinawa. Okinawa only has half.

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As a former military man myself. I cannot tell you how extremely disappointed I am with how our servicemen have been behaving. In fact I am going to say something now I never thought I would ever say. These men are not Americas as far as I am concerned. They should be stripped of their rank, removed from service and given a dishonorable discharge. If I was these men commanding officer and had the power to do so. I would have given all of them a court marshal, no questions asked. I say now is the time to make an example of these men and drop the gantlet. Any serviceman who is found to be in violation of the curfew will be sent to the brig. Fined $2,500 dollars and stripped of a rank!! Wow a bit harsh is it not? Not in the least and if I was in charge they would wish they would have never known me!!

If we cannot conduct ourselves in a professional and respectful manner. Then we have no business being here period!! I think what needs to happen now is this. Every personnel serving in Japan must take a mandatory ethics & anger management class. If any serviceman is found to be intoxicated their entire unit will be punished. Time we remind them what basic training was like. You mess up everyone pays the price. I knew of people who got broken ribs or beaten with a soap bar who keep messing up. I bet that would get them in line real quick. In addition to this everyone also be required to take Japanese etiquette classes of which they will have to pass or be sent home packing!!

A physiological evaluation also be performed of which they will need to pass or will be sent home. Every service member will also be required to carry an alcohol permit card. This will need to be scanned every time they drink. This might help keep them from getting intoxicated knowing it is being tracked. They violate their limit they pay the price!! All personnel will also be required to wear a tracking bracelet. Similar to what convicts wear so they don't go outside a certain parameter set by the base. Although it would serve a secondary function as well. If you are off base and are under curfew. You will need to sync with a docking station at the time allocated by the base.

If you are late it goes off and you are contacted immediately by the MP's. Once docked you then cannot leave until the curfew expires. Any tampering with your bracelet will set it off. Don't even think about trying to. I hate treating our servicemen like prisoners. Although something needs to be done to get it through their thick skulls that this behavior will not be tolerated. A zero tolerance policy needs to be enacted so that the get the message loud and clear!! If they don't like this policy then request a transfer. Sometimes I really do wonder why I had to be born among such stupid countrymen! You can can think I lost my mind but the safety and security of the Japanese people should be first and foremost on everyone mind. :)

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I believe some people are very naive with soldiers behavior when outside of the base. And I am not judging because they have a tough life. But when they have permission and land in bars and hot spots it becomes a total mess and people wanting to avoid trouble have no choice but to leave the place. I have experienced this many time in Thailand, Philippines and the same in Europe. Young and immature guys very frustrated with their testosterone.

All that to say that I am pretty sure that the ones in Okinawa behave much better than the majority of their buddies in other locations that are much more friendly with the ones with $$$$.

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Lift the restrictions at certain bases in Japan. I was in Yokohama, (shopping mall Landmark Tower) having dinner with a friend. I was sitting at the bar minding my own business.

The restaurant was full, some Navy servicemen was having a birthday party american style chain restaurant. My Japanese friend and I couldn't find a seat because the restaurant was crowded. We sat at the bar, this Navy guy came up didn't appear (African American) to be drunk but had an angry face. He slammed his balled fist on the counter very hard and demanded a drink. Of course the bartender is Japanese and had limited English skills. The bartender gave him a drink and then he said, " I don't want ice in my @#%$ drink ! " Slammed the drink on the table and received another drink rapidly without ice (in his drink). I'm an much older African American and I felt ashamed that he did such a thing. I was ashamed that he was an American, and obviously a serviceman.

When I was in the Navy my friends and I had Japanese friends. We respected Japan and it's culture. We had fun but we didn't bother Japanese people making fun of them or try to physically hurt anybody.

I think the U.S. military in Japan should receive heavy sensitivity training, even though your defending Japan and other asian territories. It's NOT your country. It's a PRIVILEGE to serve forward deployed. It's a privilege not a right. More sensitivity training is needed and more interaction with both Japanese and American people. More community service is needed, more interaction with Japanese neighbors is needed. Teach the servicemen manners, being polite, self control, when you had enough to drink - Know when to say when, smile even when the don't smile back, be cultural ambassadors (cheesy words) but be a better citizen. If you have an alcohol problem seek help.

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Dont you think it is time to bring the troops home..

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And I am not judging because they have a tough life.

No they do not have a tough life. I know, been there, done that! If living overseas for a couple of years is a "tough life" PLEASE let me live their life......oh wait I already do!

Seriously, they have a roof over their heads, food to eat, get paid a fairly decent wage, they have a better life than, but many dont appreciate it, than many if most people in the world!

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They are all now basically despised by most locals because of the actions of a few violent dropkicks who probably have an IQ of less than 60.

NO they are not despised, not at all! Japanese people are smart enough to realize thebuttheads from the good folks!

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Seems like in these cases involving US servicemen in Japan, alcohol is always involved. I wish I could say, just ban alcohol consumption in US military stationed in Japan, but it's not that easy. In my personal experience, military servicemen are the WORST drunks. The majority are very violent when they become inebriated.

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Japan needs to learn from the Chinese propaganda or maybe brainwashing.

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Very interesting set of responses to this story. Very unfortunate set of events that have occurred. Let the JP's complete their investigations, find out the real story, then punish the airmen under Japanese law. After he has served whatever sentence deemed good enough for a Japanese person doing the same crime, his unit will punish him by probably giving him a other than honorable discharge for disobeying a lawful order breaking curfew. One thing to say is that he wasn't wearing his military uniform while he was out drinking. The air force policy to allow their service members to go to restaurants and go shopping in cammies disturbs the locals and goes against any kind of anti-terrorism training to blend in with the local populace.

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@adjutant sadly as a US citizen that just happened to be invited to a US base in Japan by a soldier (He was 21), I have to confirm your statement. But I'll also note that the majority of these acts of stupidity commited by these guys are due to to being young and not realising their responsibilities not just as being part of the military, but being mature adults.

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How convenient, just shift the focus and turn the blame on China. Hey, Japan is paying 2billion yen per year to host the US troops, the Japanese has every right to tell the troops to behave on Japanese soil!!

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An interesting side note on this. In the locale newspaper today there was a call by the JAPANESE to end the curfew as it is hurting their night time income. Its a strange circle.

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It was up to the young airman's chain of command to enforce the curfew. They failed in their duty and they should receive discipline. The US military has to do what it takes to enforce its orders. My guy says Article #92 of the UCMJ covers this problem. I say the Americans need to start a bed check. Check each and every military member to be sure they are in their quarters. It would be up to their "leadership" to make sure this happens.

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I've said it before I'll say it again. Us troops. Get out. There's no reason for them to be there from either perspective.

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What a block head, they should make people like this stand outside the front gates of the base and people should be allowed to throw things at them. Seriously, this is what happened when that girl got diddled off base back in 2008. Everyone went on lockdown (more restrictions then the current curfew) and about a month or two later some other block head broke into a off base government office. I never understand why people on Okinawa get drunk and then decide to break into other people's houses mistaking it for their own. That and robbing taxis, some people just have no sense.

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Bertie, I don't know where you got your numbers from but there are about 35,688 US military members in all of Japan. The number you saw is probably the number of military on Okinawa plus their dependents. Dependents are not military and should not be factored into your bogus math.

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Okinawans want no......

I don't know how many times I've said this but you and your buddies do not speak for all of Okianwa when you say things like this. Hey, maybe they can turn Miyako back into a penal colony and ship all criminals there?

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Right about now, the U.S. ambassador and the commander of U.S. forces in Japan must be banging their heads against the wall.

x1000

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This embarrasses all service men who have morals, and do the right thing all the time. Idiot's in the military, it's called common sense and common decency. They can't teach that in boot camp, that one's up to the parent's...or school's or police and then the prison system. Ex-Navy Vet. say's ...Cool the Engine's and think!

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Worse the idiot Japanese Police let the suspect escape to an US Base. Going to be difficult to do an investigation with the perpetrator being shielded from investigation.

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One real remedy to all these problems, Japan gets rid of Article 9 from their Constitution they arm up, 3 years afterwards the US Military moves out of Japan.

Win win in my book.

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I think the U.S. military in Japan should receive heavy sensitivity training, even though your defending Japan and other asian territories. It's NOT your country. It's a PRIVILEGE to serve forward deployed. It's a privilege not a right

Sadly and as an American it is not something I say lightly either, the attitudes of many of the folks in the military are just an extension of what many Americans are becoming.

I've traveled back and forth from Japan to the US over the years and I am seeing more and more people that are down right rude than ever before.

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Yubaru,

You write:

All military forces in Okinawa are aware of the curfew that is in effect. That is a fact.

The person running the bar was NOT in the military.

He may or may not have known about the curfew.

You cannot assume that he knew because, as I said, he (or possibly she) is a Japanese civilian, living and working OFF BASE.

In any case, a) he told the guy to leave at 11 pm, and b) he is not under any obligation to do anything.

The curfew is NOT a military, it's a civilian matter.

Does that make it clear?

The thug who punched out the kid and destroyed property however was IN THE US MILITARY and undoubtedly knew about the curfew.

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Mathew Simon,

You write:

An interesting side note on this. In the locale newspaper today there was a call by the JAPANESE to end the curfew as it is hurting their night time income. Its a strange circle.

There may have been A JAPANESE or even A FEW JAPANESE in the local area who wanted to the military to end the curfew because it was hurting their business.

I assure you it is NOT the opinion of the majority, not by a long chalk.

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You cannot assume that he knew because, as I said, he (or possibly she) is a Japanese civilian, living and working OFF BASE.

Maybe you don't read the newspapers and live in a hole somewhere where there is no TV either but the curfew is common knowledge to everyone in Okinawa, it has been talked about (ad naseum) since it was announced.

In any case, a) he told the guy to leave at 11 pm, and b) he is not under any obligation to do anything.

The curfew is NOT a military, it's a civilian matter.

The curfew is very well a military matter and not civilian at all. Me thinks you got things pretty screwed up there. The civilians have zero responsibility to inform or enforce it, BUT the bar owner was doing the guy a favor BECAUSE HE KNEW about the curfew.

The flyboy was being a stupid drunk jerk, that's all.

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The flyboy was being a stupid drunk jerk, that's all.

Yes. And he was also representing the American people and the US military.

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Yes. And he was also representing the American people and the US military.

While he is representing the US military and Americans, he is definitely NOT representative of the over whelming majority that disdain this type of activity.

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Whiskysour-san suggests that US military have "sensitivity training."

Personally, I would have thought knowledge of their position as representatives of their country and as military men would be enough. They don't require sensitivity training, but basic discipline. But then I realise that many of these guys chose to be in the military because it was the only real option they had. As someone pointed out, it gives them a halfway decent wage, a roof over their heads and food in their bellies.

And this leads me to wonder about the politicians, Japanese and American who had this "bright" idea to house 40,000 of these guys plus their dependents on this tiny crowded island. And who insist on keeping it so.

I really do think it's time for the US military to leave.

They should be on US soil.

Okinawa is certainly NOT US soil.

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While he is representing the US military and Americans, he is definitely NOT representative of the over whelming majority that disdain this type of activity.

I have no doubt about that. However, since he and other service members are paid employees of the taxpayers of the US and, therefore, representatives of the American people and their government, one would think that the rest of the Americans would do more to protect their reputation in foreign countries. Maybe there should be a "buddy" system for US troops, like chaperones.

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Worse the idiot Japanese Police let the suspect escape to an US Base. Going to be difficult to do an investigation with the perpetrator being shielded from investigation.

Right, this doesn't happen anymore Yuri. If the crime happens off base the military allows the JPs to prosecute the suspect first. It did happen back in the day, but not anymore. Then, after the JPs have their way with the suspect the military gets their shot at him/her, regardless of weather they were charged or not by the JPs.

Sometimes they do come to agreements though and let the military have dibs on a suspect. IIRC the murder in Okinawa back in 09 I think they gave the male servicemember to the military to prosecute and the JPs got to prosecute the female half Okinawan dependent who was also in on the murder.

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And this leads me to wonder about the politicians, Japanese and American who had this "bright" idea to house 40,000 of these guys plus their dependents on this tiny crowded island. And who insist on keeping it so.

Once again bertie, it's not 40,000 of these guys and their dependents on Okinawa. It's about 40,000 counting their dependents along with them. There aren't even 40,000 US military total in ALL OF JAPAN, mainland included.

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There aren't even 40,000 US military total in ALL OF JAPAN, mainland included.

Technically correct but missing the point. A total of 86,000 Americans attached to the US military in Japan, 43,000 of which report directly to the Department of Defense and an equal number of dependents.

USFJ, with its U.S. Army, U.S Marine Corps, U.S Navy, and U.S Air Force elements, consists of approximately 38,000 military personnel, 43,000 dependents, 5,000 DoD civilian employees, and 25,000 Japanese workers.

http://www.usfj.mil/

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A guy walks into a bar. The barman serves him. It gets late. He gets really drunk.

I don't get it.

It's the way he tells 'em, Nessie.

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Hope the americans will soon leave our country, not only they cost us each year 4 billion $ but also we have to pay the victimes raped by americans!! How about the disputed islands? The US just don't take any possition though they decided the islands are Japaneses territory 60 years ago

Time to leave, our industry can easy build up hightech weapons, we have the capacity to protect ourself.

What the americans want is clear: They're afraid from Russia and China, forget about "protecting Japan"

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taro67

Thanks for the accurate data.

It's worse than I thought.

In a population of 1.3 million, that's WAY too many foreign military.

I agree with Shirane-san and many other posters here.

It's time for the US military to pack up and go home - or at least, go somewhere else.

ANYWHERE but here.

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t's time for the US military to pack up and go home - or at least, go somewhere else.

Military Generals are very fond of Okinawa. The weather is warm. Air is fresh. Beaches are lovely. Diet is so healthy. It is more likely holidays resort instead of education campus for immature and bullied boys. They do not want to go somewhere else. It is very relaxed and comfortable place.

ANYWHERE but here.

They will excuse again for staying there as PRC and North Korea will launch the attack after one day from their departure. If they go anywhere, they will not live beyond century as native Ryuku people. Okinawa is representing the longevity and well being of elderly. There is no other place like that on the earth.

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Quote Bertie Wooster: "The drunk broke into the apartment. I'm sure the kid didn't welcome him. I think break in is correct."

You are entitled to your opinion, laddie (you seem to enjoy this appelation), although you may notice it has been changed in today's follow-up article.

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oops, appellation! :8)

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I suggest that the base give out their military police telephone number to all drinking establishments in Okinawa so that the base can send someone over to remove the person before any damage or other confrontations begin.

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Okinawa is certainly NOT US soil

Finally you got it! Up until now you were the one claiming it was. Nice to see you catching up here. Well done.

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The curfew just dont help curbing crimes or violences in Okianawa, instead it has escaled the situation to worse! Because the drunken serviceman was angered no alcoholic after 11pm and he will have to be under controlled! Thats why he was frustrated and assaulted a teenageer....

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Jack Stern-san,

I suggest that the base give out their military police telephone number to all drinking establishments in Okinawa so that the base can send someone over to remove the person before any damage or other confrontations begin.

A very sensible suggestion.

For the remaining time of their stay in Japan, I hope the US military police do this.

(Let's hope it's not much longer though!)

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Yubaru,

I wrote:

Okinawa is certainly NOT US soil

And you added:

Finally you got it! Up until now you were the one claiming it was. Nice to see you catching up here. Well done.

We could do with a little less of your bickering and sarcasm.

How about it, laddie?

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one would think that the rest of the Americans would do more to protect their reputation in foreign countries.

I will never understand folks who have undue expectations for other people from other countries but dont expect or desire the same from their own.

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Time to leave, our industry can easy build up hightech weapons, we have the capacity to protect ourself.

Yes Japan certainly has the capability to protect itself, but the problem is the rest of Asia doesnt want to see Japan rearmed. Having the US here like it or not keeps former enemies at bay.

If only Japan and it's neighbors could make a true and lasting peace between themselves I would agree that lessening the burden of having US Forces here would be prudent. Yet sadly Japan can not in it's present position, politically or militarily be counted on to maintain and guarantee peace in the region.

Let's also not forget that Japan got to where it is today BECAUSE the US keeps the peace, yet like any child that grows up there comes a time when the cord needs to be cut.

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What a mess! these american soldiers i cant even describe their war crimes against people in Iraq and Afghanistan. they messed up the whole world with their stupid democracy and dumb media. They label North Korea and Iran as evil empires while they have been waging wars against so called "enemies" for over 100 years. Its time for Japanese people and government get over this americans and team up with Asian countries. Japanese people need to regain their pride and understand that only they can make their country safe and better. Good luck to Okinawa people who will have to put up with whole mess that is going to come more rapes, more prostitution, aids, loss of values and cultures and so on good luck....

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Send the soldiers and their bases to Senkaku Islands, three problems solved.

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Quit over-serving people. Problem solved. You tend to make better choices when buzzed in comparison to when you're absolutely wasted. Taking advantage of an alcoholic isn't something to be proud of.

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All three of these violent offenders in the US Military should be court martialed and convicted for a long term sentence and their superior officers punished for allowing such breaches of discipline. It is unforgiveable and beyond belief.

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There are, as far as I know, 47,000 US servicemen in Okinawa. The population of Okinawa is about 1,300,000. If you do the math on this, that means that the population of US servicemen is more than ONE THIRD of the total population of this island.

Ultimate fail, ROFL!

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Totally, it's a bar run by locals. But so that drunkard patron could have been Okinawan, a person of any nationality visiting as a tourist, for studies, for business, to escape crazy grannies we have in Kansai... The guy didn't do his crime as part of his job, in relation of his job, it's private crime.

Bertie what is your response to the above quote, that quote is in response to you.

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Man they gonna shut down our base for realz.... Curfew is soooo stupid. It's like telling a teenager no you can't do that. Eventually we are gonna do it and make it worst. There is a lot of good military people in Japan why do we have to suffer for the wrong doing people. Japanese people do bad things all the time and they got no curfew. Thanks guys my grown husband can't drink out with my after 11. So high school again.

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We (as servicemen) have worked under curfews before and as long as it's enforced by EVERYONE (including the locals) there's been no problem. Hey bar owner, if the curfew starts at 11 p.m. you don't ask them to leave at 11 p.m., you cut them off earlier. And if you really DID cut them off at 11 p.m., why is he upstairs causing trouble TWO HOURS LATER?!

Don't get me wrong, the serviceman is 100% responsible for getting drunk and therefore responsible for his actions after getting drunk even though it could be argued that he wasn't in control of his faculties. He's the one that decided to relinquish control of those faculties. As far as I know, there aren't any bars around that tie the customers down and pour alcohol into their throats against their will.

But the bar owners have a responsibility - both to their customers and their community - to make sure the customers are not allowed to cause trouble for themselves or others when drunk. The #1 tool the bar owners have is to cut the customer off when they've obviously had enough to drink that night. The #2 tool is to bring in law enforcement promptly when it becomes apparent that tool #1 wasn't implemented soon enough. This two-hour discrepancy between when the owner says he asked the customer to leave and when the customer supposedly broke into the upstairs home needs to be explained further.

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It’s truly incredible and unfortunate when bias and branding beats the hell out of sensibility. Ugliness is very quick to raise its ugly head. While it is true that a very low percentile of service members serving overseas are “ugly Americans” some on this panel would take any action and every opportunity to “crucify” based on your own biases. They are truly bitter, hateful, and outright insensitive individuals and their behaviors are no different from those very few idiotic service members. Irresponsible! Stoking the flames in such a volatile environment does no good to Japan/Okinawa or the U.S.A. The action of one should rest squarely on his or her shoulders. What most of you disregard is that Americans are responsible and accountable for their behaviors in and out of uniform (no matter what service). How quickly we moved from that horrible woman practicing “mind control” or an extended family of alleged accomplices to highlight the “bad” acts of just over 0% of the military stationed and transient in Japan. It is news worthy, but not for political gain or to exercise your own disdain. There is a problem with alcohol in all services and all walks of life for that matter. However, we cannot tell adults not to drink or how to drink responsibly. This too, is a major problem for Okinawans. It matters when drunks climb stairs or trains in their alleged alcohol states and cause harm to themselves of others. Okinawa is a known stepchild of Japan and has been like that without service members’ contributions. All service members, for whatever reason, who break the laws of Japan, double jeopardy follows; they will be duly punished in both courts of law. Curfews or very few restraints can help in cases of psychological illness or just plain stupidity. We do a great service here in Japan and most of the idiots who "dirty" or name and purpose are excellent technicians who help us accomplish the MISSION. Catch 22 anyone?

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Bad behavior by people in uniform is a serious matter. However, the numerous cases of reported deviant conduct by members of the Japanese police force don't seem to attract anything like the same levels of public concern as do the relatively occasional ones on the part of American servicemen. lLeaving aside the question of whether or not the US should continue to maintain a military presence here, which is the bigger problem for Japan?

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