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How will it be during the Olympics, I wonder. They're gonna need double or triple security.

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this guy is clearly a whacko. why in the world would he return to Japan knowing that the police had already identified him last week. he's no worse than guys driving around in the black vans in japan. luckily no one was injured when the bombs went off.

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a loud bang was heard and smoke was seen rising from a public restroom

Sorry, I'm lactose intolerant.

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Um. It was as I suspected... Although no one was injured, the incident calls for a thorough review on the current security and re-examine the system of getting information on suspicious figures.

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gaijin6000DEC. 09, 2015 - 04:02PM JST How will it be during the Olympics, I wonder. They're gonna need double or triple security.

Or the folks at Yasukuni could take the time to think about what it is about their shrine that makes people so angry that they want to attack it, and try to address the grievance.

Hahaha, oh sorry. Yeah, I'm obviously not right in the head. I think I'd better lie down.

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why in the world would he return to Japan

I suspect SK govt told him to do so voluntarily. In SK, attacking Japan is considered as a hero act, so it would have been difficult for them to extradite the suspect to Japan. This way SK govt can avoid criticism from its people and of not abiding by the extradition treaty.

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Police approached Jeon as he arrived at Haneda airport before arresting him on a charge of illegal entry into the shrine in connection with the incident, the reports said.

The shrine or the toilet was open to public. The police should not have used this charge as pretext for arrest.

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The shrine or the toilet was open to public. The police should not have used this charge as pretext for arrest.

It was wrong intention. You are not allowed to use the facility for other than designated purposes because it is not your property.

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tinawatanabe: "It was wrong intention. You are not allowed to use the facility for other than designated purposes because it is not your property."

It doesn't matter in terms of what they are charging him with. It is not illegal to enter the bathroom, plain and simple. As such I'm with CH3CHO for I think the first time ever; it is a stupid thing to charge him with. He's denied it, so if he gets a half decent lawyer and a fair trial and gets off, what else can they charge him with since they flubbed up this? They should have gotten airtight proof he did what they think he did and charged him with that -- none of this 'illegal entry into the shrine' given that it was the harvest festival, unless they plan on charging everyone else with illegal entry even though it was legal to be there.

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Trumped up charges for a little false flag, so Abe can flout his powers and tighten control, whilst gaining more support from the right wing uyoku. Look how the timing is with the attack in Paris, and all this talk of making a country safe, what next , 'crystal night' in Korea town?

His gameplan is so transparent, it's a wonder he fools anyone.

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why in the world would he return to Japan knowing that the police had already identified him last week. he's no worse than guys driving around in the black vans in japan. luckily no one was injured when the bombs went off.

I mean instead of denying it, he could have come off like a martyr and probably had the Korean public and politicians backing him up. If he did it, he should have stayed there.

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Folks, the cops knew who the culprit nearly two weeks ago. They arrested the guy with the weakest of the charges so they can legally hold him and the question him to death about everything else under the sun, for as long as they want. Difference between detaining a suspect and arresting one is quite large and the cops need the prosecutors office to file charges before he could be formally arrested.

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It's too plain and simple to be true smith

It is not illegal to enter the bathroom, plain and simple

Nah. Illegal Entry into the shrine(or bathroom) here is used as charge for the suspect of Building Intrusion Crime. Go find how it is defined in Japanese Law.

If my memory is correct, the same charge was used for the similar Case (23year-old Korean guy Kang Yong Ming) to arrest the guy and arson as additonal charge.

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A Yahoo/Mainichi/Kyodo report this morning said that the South Korean authorities had said they were aware of his movements and noted that he had returned to Japan voluntarily.

韓国外交当局は、自ら日本に向かったと把握している

http://mainichi.jp/articles/20151209/k00/00e/030/239000c

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It is not illegal to enter the bathroom, plain and simple

Most public places have signs that say "No entry if you have explosive, firearms or swords" so illegal entry. Any place has the right to avoid any possibility of danger. It is not like even terrorists are welcome as long as they won't detonate the bomb.

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Why would he went back to japan and how did the japanese reporter knew where he lives when neither japanese nor koran police knew where he was at. This story/news doesn't make sense.

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@smithinjapan"Well, you suspect South Korea of everything"

Dear Smith, if placing of explosive device into a public toilet somewhere in Japan is considered as Act of Ultimate Heroism in South Korea, well, Japanese people have a right to suspect koreans on everything.

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Why would he went back to japan

SK govt said he went back voluntarily. How did SK know it was voluntary unless they talked with him.

how did the japanese reporter knew where he lives

Japan's media have its own source

when neither japanese nor koran police knew where he was at.

I think they knew from hotel record or credit cards or immigration record.

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His act was almost 100% praised on Chinese social media too, except for some who felt he had not really done a proper job of it.

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SK govt said he went back voluntarily. How did SK know it was voluntary unless they talked with him.

Well, SK govt certainly didn't extradite him since Japan never asked for extradition nor named the suspect even. So how did he end up back in Japan unless he few over in voluntarily? You seem to lack any logic in this case.

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tinawatanabeDEC. 09, 2015 - 06:32PM JST

The shrine or the toilet was open to public. The police should not have used this charge as pretext for arrest.

It was wrong intention. You are not allowed to use the facility for other than designated purposes because it is not your property.

DieRealityCheckDEC. 09, 2015 - 08:07PM JST

Nah. Illegal Entry into the shrine(or bathroom) here is used as charge for the suspect of Building Intrusion Crime. Go find how it is defined in Japanese Law.

Lets see.

Penal Code

Article 130 A person who, without justifiable grounds, breaks into a residence of another person or into the premises, building or vessel guarded by another person, or who refuses to leave such a place upon demand shall be punished by imprisonment with work for not more than 3 years or a fine of not more than 100,000 yen.

The question is if the shrine or the bathroom is a building guarded by another person.

If the building is a residence, there is no need that it is guarded to criminalize the person who enters it without due reason. I think the case DieRealityCheck mentioned is one where the building was a residence.

But since the shrine or the toilet is not a residence, the police must establish that it was guarded. I do not think it was, because it was open to public.

They should have charged him for arson, destruction of building or illegal possession of explosives. Not for illegal entry to building.

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CH3 - The shrine is a private organization, not public place. It is a place for pray not for blast. I think I have seen a sign there "No entry with explosives, firearms, swords" but even without the sign, It is obvious anybody with his intention are not welcome, so he breaked into unwelcomed and uninvited private place to do something different from designated purposes the private organization offers, illegal entry.

it was open to public.

No, it is open to prayers.

They should have charged him for arson, destruction of building or illegal possession of explosives. Not for illegal entry to building.

Should be all of them.

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Tina says everything. I have nothing much to add. I assume you are Japanese. Please read Japanese wiki to find actus reus in the meaning of "Intrusion". In short, You are not supposed to enter the shrine (private field, not public) for any other purposes than what that private entity intended to be opened for. Just Article 130 may not be good enough to understand. Even Asahi News reporters chasing PM Koizumi were prohibited to enter the shrine in 2006.

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Tinawatanabe: " The shrine is a private organization, not public place. "

Then everyone is guilty of illegal entry. Else if the shrine is open to all, entry is illegal to none. Bottom line. Carrying explosives, etc. IS illegal, I agree, but another charge completely.

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smithinjapan

You don't have to be such obstinate

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@smithinjapan

The bomb was placed inside the ceiling, an area considered off limits by custom and practice. Hence the charge.

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South Korean take on it here:

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20151210001059

And lots of articles here:

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2015/12/10/2015121001597.html

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DieRealityCheck: "You don't have to be such obstinate"

You do when you're posting in reply to such repetitive nonsense that is even more 'obstinate'. To state that it is both "illegal to enter" and "open to the public" is an obvious contradiction, and yet you guys keep insisting on it.

Hokkaidoguy: "The bomb was placed inside the ceiling, an area considered off limits by custom and practice. Hence the charge."

Thank you for the specifics. Still a ridiculous charge in light of the gravity of what the man supposedly attempted to do. And more and more it's looking like a trumped up charge to boot!

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Still a ridiculous charge in light of the gravity of what the man supposedly attempted to do.

If you commit a crime indoor, several charges will be involved. If you want a single charge, commit on a street.

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