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Teacher arrested for paying junior high school girl for sex act

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Police said Tuesday they have arrested a 50-year-old teacher in Kanagawa Prefecture for allegedly paying a 15-year-old girl for a sex act in February of this year. The suspect was identified as Koichi Ishizaki, a teacher at a public junior high school in Yokohama.

According to a Fuji TV report, he is alleged to have met the then junior high school third-grader through a matchmaking website. Ishizaki is accused of committing indecent acts with her at his home on Feb 3 in exchange for 30,000 yen. During police questioning, he allegedly told investigators he was lonely and said he he didn't know whether or not the girl was 15, Fuji reported.

The Kanagawa Board of Education has responded by expressing regret for the incident. It issued a statement saying it will deal with the teacher appropriately, once details of the case are confirmed.

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Cash? He should have bought her a brand name bag...with the receipt inside.

I am sure the girl is all busted up inside from this traumatic event, not only the sex act, but also having 3 man in her pocket. Bet she has cried herself to sleep every night and removed her details from the dating site asap. Uh-huh.

As for the teacher, now suddenly all his female students are at risk...even the ugly ones. Of course, if this girl had been 18, then it would not be so. He would just be a normal guy with normal interests then. Yeah. Sure.

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I wonder how he was caught? I'm guessing she spilled the beans. Hope the people running the website are charged, along with the service provider and any phone companies involved in passing messages along. Everyone except the little whore should be charged. Kids will be kids after all.

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..same price Y30,000? yeah, despite recession/deflation the property prices remain same in Japan.

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Kanagawa BOE teacher again? There seems to be something in the water down there. (Even if they have tested it and said its clean!)

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During police questioning, he allegedly told investigators he was lonely and said he he didn’t know whether or not the girl was 15, Fuji reported.

so many lonely people...

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Sounds like he was blackmailed

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Well some 30 y/o womes strive to look like a15 year old girl, and it can be easy to make a mistake... I doubth the teacher asked for her divers license to check her age...

My guess is that he is lying anyway - especially a teacher would know the difference between a 15 year old person and a 18-20 year old person (male or female)...

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Im not sure which is more disturbing, the story, or the comments on it.

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This junior high school teacher really does have a lack of understanding of what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. Perhaps he had a lack of intimacy and satisfaction from relationships that he may have been in and it could have been a girl being an easy target through the website. He has no excuse and this type of behavior cannot be rationalized or justified. He needs to attend a sexual intervention program during his prison term and also receive some social development counseling.

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Essentially, getting this person to change behaviors is the same as trying to get some dog to stop humping your leg. Good luck with that. As for the behavior itself, it is biologically justified but socially and legally prohibited.

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Sketchy article at best. Regardless of Mr. Ishizaki's desires, it is unfortunate he is alleged to have done this and has to have his name put out there. We don't know if the girl lied about her age on the website, and we don't know her motives. Blackmail and entrapment sound about right. Let's not hang this teacher out to dry, ... yet. Thanks media! Another person's life is ruined just like that and the girl gets to move on in anonymity.

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ebisen: "Well some 30 y/o womes strive to look like a15 year old girl, and it can be easy to make a mistake... I doubth the teacher asked for her divers license to check her age..."

While there are older women who look younger, and young women who strive to look more mature, there is no way you mistake a 30 year old with a 15 year old, ebisen. If he 'wasn't sure if she was 15 or not' he should have just completely avoided her. And I agree with MeanRingo that the site owners should be charged as well, and the site shut down.

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Gosh...this is right in my back yard! Sure gonna read about this in the BOE newsletter!

I have to agree with "goinggoinggone" here. In the end...who cares?!

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smith - there is a typo - I meant 20yo not 30 :) too bad we can't re-edit our own messages... I think there are fair chances that a 15 yo can be mistaken for being 20 and vice-versa, especially in Asia. It does make a big difference, because there are statutory rape charges in Japan. If he knew about the girl being a minor, he will do a much longer prison term (but this has to be proved). If he didn't know, or the girl just lied to him to begin with, he will get away with a much lighter punishment.

Well this teacher's career is for sure over now...

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NovenachamaSep. 07, 2011 - 08:32AM JST

A psyche eval from an article with three short paragraphs short on details? Would anything change in your diagnosis and prognosis if she looked and acted like Courtney Stodden (married Doug Hutchison) or Tracey Lords, doctor?

this type of behavior cannot be rationalized or justified.

It can and it will. Here is one way: no harm no foul. Its not like he slapped her around. Its also not like he took the services and refused to pay. Imagine how that would have affected her.

This happened in February and we are just hearing about it now? Yeah, Earth shattering news. Surprised society did not get flushed down the toilet between then and now!

All signs point to her putting herself on the site. I would say that that action, which happens pretty often, and the action of teen girls running away from home, is far more worthy of a psychological analysis as well as comments on society. As ever, I see people desperate to grip the wrong end of the stick and keep those blinders firmly in place.

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and sadly, there are many who would do it for less then ¥30,000, driven by materialism to have the latest designer items or fashions. While the teacher is entirely to blame and I doubt he didn't know she was 15, but 15-18 years are close. Whatever the age, it's not right for a teacher to have sex with any school girl. Probably her parents discovered his phone number on her mobile or they questioned their daughter about the items she will have bought. Something needs to done within the education system so that these young girls learn how wrong and even dangerous this is.

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So a 50 year old school teacher can't tell if a schoolgirl is over 18? He's a pedophile and that means he should be locked up in a psychiatric ward for a good twenty years. The girl should be taxed to help pay for her countries future, and the website owners should see life in prison.

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and absolutely nothing will happen to the girl who sold herself. i see a lot of comments about the teacher but what about the girl? this is a huge problem in japan. nothing is going to stop underage girls from doing this when there are no consequences. these girls are knowingly breaking the law.

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i totally agree with Jamess. The teacher should be punished, and there needs to be laws that also punish these underage prostitutes.

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While the teacher is entirely to blame and I doubt he didn't know she was 15, but 15-18 years are close.

Why is he entirely to blame? She registered on a dating site, most probably for the purpose of enjo kosai. Surely she must share part of the blame there, even if she is only 15. I think even a 15 yr old knows it is wrong to prostitute herself. Unless she was forced into the situation, or the victim of abuse at home that has messed her up somehow, then she should also accept part of the blame.

Whatever the age, it's not right for a teacher to have sex with any school girl.

Of course I agree with that, and do not condone this teacher's actions in the slightest.

I just don't think he is "entirely" to blame. If it wasn't him, she probably would have ended up sleeping with someone else for money, and unless that person was a teacher or police officer or politician too, then it would have never even made the news at all. It's not right for a 50yr old, no matter what his occupation, to sleep with a 15yr old, period.

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The website should be charged with pimping underage girls.

The girl should undergo psych evaluation and the parents held responsible for her actions.

I doubt if he can stop, let alone wants to, and he certainly will not get the help he needs to address his behavior. Which is, by the way, damaging to both himself and the girl (and probably girls) he abused.

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Asagao -he is not a paedophile... at least by the official definition. please read into what paedophile means...

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The teacher is a 50 year old holding a position of trust. The young one is a 15 year old child.He should have sent her packing the minute she turned up on his doorstep and informed her parents

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he didn’t know whether or not the girl was 15

Yeah - he was hoping she was 13.

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The suspect lives in Yokohama (Kanazawaku Mutsuura) and teaches 7th grade at Takatori Junior High School in Yokosuka.

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Cash? He should have bought her a brand name bag.

they need the cash to pay their keitai bills according to a tv report this morning

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There's no need to cheapen the definition of pedophilia by applying it to relations with a 15-year-old biological adult who have been ovulating for years, advertises herself on the web as a prostitute, and who would be 1 year away from the legal age of consent in many US states.

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This guy is either a hebephile or a ephebophile, definitely not a pedophile. Whew!

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I feel heavily disturbed by the fact that these stories do not even surprise me any more in Japan. I'd love to say that I am shocked - but it's not the case. The teacher is disgusting, but fits well into the picture of Japanese oyajis. It is utterly disturbing that girls of this age become accomplice in such crime. Shouldn't they have some self-respect? Shouldn't she have romantic dreams of prince charming or Mr Right instead of Louis Vutton handbags?

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The reason that there are age of consent and statutory rape laws is that society has determined young people are not emotionally and intellectually capable of making decisions about sexual activity, that they are significantly vulnerable as to require legal protection. It's not only a question of psychological maturity, but also a standing in society, whatever physical strength that may be required to fulfil adult functions, income, whatever is necessary in society to negotiate with others and maintain one's own welfare. To a certain extent, of course, the age is arbitrary. There may be 15 year olds who are completely mature enough to make informed decisions and it's obvious from the article that there are 50 year olds who aren't. Clearly, contemporary technological society has prolonged legal childhood compared to in the past because it has determined that people need a longer period of training and preparation to fulfil adult roles. Sexual activity should be conducted among consenting equals, and a 15 year old and a 50 year old in contemporary Japan are not close to being equals. That is why it's illegal. Unfortunately Japan's culture, while offering legal protection to 15 year olds, also teaches girls that their primary role in life is to be sex toys. Every evening they get a dose of men groping women, looking up their skirts, making comments about their breasts on TV, to say nothing of magazines and their advertisements in newspapers and trains, in full public view, scenes on the internet, etc.

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All these teens selling their body should suffer some type of legal penalty. Speaking plainly, she was/is an online hooker. Yeah, throw some blame on the guy, but no one forced her to open an account and post her profile.

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I don't understand people these days....

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Bad enough we don't know the half of it because of lack of detail in the article, but these comments also show a marked ignorance of fairly basic psychology.

Of course he is not a pedophile, and even if he were, there is no psychological "help" available to make him "disinterested" in anyone under 18. Its simply not a treatable condition and the criteria of age is preposterous. Some may try anyway like they may try to "convert" gays, but its all nonsense. Fully one quarter to one third of normal men are attracted to prepubscent girls, and she isn't. Practically all men are attracted to teenagers. Its just the way it is, and neither can be considered abnormal unless they are fixated on one group or another. Psychology accepts that normal men are not very exclusive and normal sexual attraction not dependent on age.

Next, no we cannot say he is an ephebophile or hebephile either. That would indicate he is exclusively interested in teens. Sleeping with one teen does not make one either, any more than Doug Hutchison is one since he has a 16 year old wife (that looks 30), and that is clear because he had two other wives who were most likely over 21.

Seriously, if you cannot understand these basic things, how can you blithely come up with these comments without being throroughly embarrassed? All that is clear is that the law was broken. Even then a judge may consider circumstances and throw the case to the curb, and I could not blame the judge of he or she did. They have done it when it was decided the pair was in love. And if the judge decides he honestly did not know her age, that might be that. Big deal anyway.

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They have arrested him for paying for sex only, unless Kanagawa has their own local law, The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177.

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The national age of consent in Japan is 13 as specified by the Japanese Penal Code Articles 176 and 177

True, but I think most prefectures set their their own age of consent. I'm not sure what Kanagawa's is. Isn't Tokyo's 17?

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Practically all men are attracted to teenagers

It's one thing to be attracted to teenagers. It's another thing to have sex with them when there are no doubt plenty of other women of age willing to offer their services.

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In almost all of the prefectures in Japan, it is illegal for an adult to have sex with an individual under the age of 18 (prostitution or not). If the individual is uner 13, you will be charged with (statutory) rape.

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True, but I think most prefectures set their their own age of consent. I'm not sure what Kanagawa's is. Isn't Tokyo's 17?

I hope so, I couldn't find anything on it for Kanagawa, the articles makes only mention to he was arrested for paying for a sex act only which I believe doesn't have any sort of jail time, just these public shaming type of press releases. Japan needs to overhaul alot of outdated laws.

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@Asagao

So a 50 year old school teacher can't tell if a schoolgirl is over 18?

Quite possibly not. Hell, my daughter's only thirteen, but when she dresses up to go shopping with her friends I'd say she looks somewhere between seventeen and twenty. And that's my own daughter, never mind a stranger....

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Of course the teacher is totally in the wrong here but,

Where does a 15 year old girl get the idea of looking for a sex partner on a website?

When I was 15, I was interested in adult magazines and some adult websites, but a match-making site? That thought had never crossed my mind...

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papasmurfinjapanSep. 07, 2011 - 11:08AM JST

It's another thing to have sex with them

So you say. But other people would point out his age and hers as being the problem, still another would point out the age difference (which is a bit of a different point), others would claim the problem is that he paid, yet others would say it was because there was no actual relationship. You seem to be saying the problem is that she had sex, but would you say the same if her partner were 15? Even if he paid? What is the difference? But, the article does not say she had sex. It says they engaged in "sexual acts".

Mixed up, topsy-turvey, inconsistent, unfounded and details fudged. Seems to be par for the course for most commentary on this and related topics. Just reading the words "teen sex" seems to have the same effect as LSD on some people. I was addressing the psychological aspect of the situation in my post anyway, so I don't know why we had to get into actions. I don't see a psychological problem here on either side either way though. There just isn't enough detail to know. All we know for sure is that there is a legal problem, and for some, a moral problem. But given the psychology for both here and him have problem with those legal and moral "problems".

Sure, we all want to protect young people. The law and morality are like a shield. But that does mean that everything that gets past the shield is an arrow tipped with poison. And too large a shield is a problem in itself. Like I said, no harm, no foul. In cases like this, that maxim works.

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Inside every man there is a boy.

Inside every girl there is a woman.

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You seem to be saying the problem is that she had sex, but would you say the same if her partner were 15?

I'm sorry if you interpret my post as saying such. I said I find it unnatural that a 50yr old man deliberately seeks out a minor for sex when no doubt he could have chosen from hundreds, if not thousands of women who are over the legal age online offering their services. Now if he was legitimately looking for someone "of age" and was genuinely fooled by the girl, then fair enough... but I find that hard to swallow, if you excuse the pun.

I have no problem with a 15yr old doing whatever she likes with a 16 or 17 year old boy. I think you will find statutory rape laws take the age difference into account. If you can't see a moral difference between two teenagers having sex, and a 50yr old man having sex with a teenager, then there is really nothing I can say to persuade you otherwise. It is a moral judgement, which not all people agree on.

But, the article does not say she had sex

Unless I am mistaken, the original article said he paid cash for sex. They seem to have updated the article with different wording. Whether it was actual "sex" or "fellatio" or whatever, when it occurs between a 50yr old teacher and a 15yr old girl, it is all inappropriate, is it not?

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These fools never cease to amaze me. If you're going to meet up with a 15 year old you met online, NEVER give your real name, ALWAYS pay cash, and ALWAYS meet somewhere FAR FROM YOUR HOME.

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It leaves one to ponder what percentage of these incidents are reported and how prolific this kind of stuff is within the school system of 'the safety country'.

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According to a survey taken in July 2011, on the average nationwide, JC (junior high school girls) are charging 30,000 yen , JK (high school girls) 20,000 yen and OL and housewives 15,000 yen for prostitution. As long as you're a male, they don't care whether you're fat, bald or old according to the survey. I guess supply and demand will determine the price. “Now, don’t get any ideas.”

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I don't know about Japan, but most English-language matchmaking websites that I've seen in the past usually require members to be at least eighteen years or older to join. Which doesn't stop teenagers from setting their year of birth as being several years earlier to qualify (particularly for websites that are free to register). So it is indeed possible that the guy thought she was eighteen if supposedly all members of the website were supposed to be at least eighteen. If her profile said eighteen he may simply have not looked any further into it. Though we don't know if this was the case. But visually there isn't a great deal of difference between a fifteen-year-old and an eighteen-year-old in many cases, especially with Asian girls. As an example, look up pictures of popular all-girl J-pop group "AKB48." The members of the group range from age twelve to twenty-four, with the average being about seventeen. Would you easily be able to visually tell which girls are eighteen and older and which ones aren't? And it seems most people in Japan (unless they have a driver's license), don't generally carry an ID card around at all times as it seems rare that anyone ever actually asks anyone to show ID (unless you're going to engage in some kind of official business that would require a proof of ID). There are insurance cards that have age on it, but I'm sure a lot of teenagers may not carry such around at all times.

Anyhow, I always wonder if the crime was that the man had sex with an underage girl, or if it's that he paid for sex with an underage girl? I've never read a news story about an older man being charged for having sex with an underage girl where he wasn't accused of paying for it.

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Hey CrazyJoe. How much was quoted for those over 75?

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papasmurfinjapanSep. 07, 2011 - 12:05PM JST

I'm sorry if you interpret my post as saying such.

It was as sincere a question as it was a supposition. But then you go on to say if she was with a 16 or 17 year old its ok? So what's to be sorry about if my supposition was right? That, and more, have proven my point well of how mixed up some are on this subject.

I said I find it unnatural that a 50yr old man deliberately seeks out a minor for sex when no doubt he could have chosen from hundreds, if not thousands of women who are over the legal age

(my bolds) So you define what is natural by what is legal??? Like I said; mixed up.

I think you will find statutory rape laws take the age difference into account.

Okay. So now its age difference, not age, at least until 18, where age of consent laws account for it, but not where they don't?. God, if you sat down and thought about this you would give yourself a MASSIVE headache. Prepare a bottle of Tylenol before you make the attempt please.

It is a moral judgement, which not all people agree on.

Such a meandering course, yet you found your way to a clearing in the woods. Now its time to ask yourself why is such a non-universal moral judgement is a part of law, on which you base what is natural and unnatural? I am afraid that the clearing you found is only deeper in the forest and very near a precipice.

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If the guy is willing to spend 30,000 yen then why not just go through some kind of service and avoid the entire age issue to begin with...

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@ Oracle,

I'll just reiterate what I said before - it seems nothing I believe or say will change your views (not that that is my purpose) that this man's desire to - let's quote the article this time - commit "sexual acts" with a 15 year old is entirely natural. I find it unnatural due to the fact that he, bar some mental illness, is an emotionally mature man whereas she on the other hand, as a pubescent 15yr old is most probably not fully emotionally developed. Two immature kids fooling around is one thing, an adult taking advantage of a girl (regardless of whether or not it was her advertising herself - kids do foolish things) is another.

If you have no problems with that, then fine. Like I said, it is a moral choice. Whether it is against the law or not is beside the point, but you should be aware of the consequences. I'm not sure if you have a teenage daughter, but if you found out she was doing "sexual acts" with a 50yr old, I doubt you would treat it the same as if she was doing it with a kid from her school.

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If the guy is willing to spend 30,000 yen then why not just go through some kind of service and avoid the entire age issue to begin with...

Because then you don't get the underage ones, or you can be blackmailed by the service if they do give you underage ones. Lolipervs don't just happen to go after underage women; they target these women. They are terrified of adult women.

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Teachers should love children, but it must not contain sexual connotations...

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papasmurfinjapanSep. 07, 2011 - 01:40PM JST

I'm not sure what you are smoking

I don't smoke. I don't smoke anything. And why you aim that at me is bizarre. Your latest post is full of radical assumptions with absolutely no basis. You don't know what his desire was, you don't know his mental maturity (as if its measurable), you don't know if he took advantage, and probably for her mental maturity is just not good enough.

I have no daughters, but if I did my rules would be simple: I want to know who she is sleeping with. So long as he is kind and sincere, I don't care his age. I would not want her prostituting, but as far as that goes, one must have perspective. Most of us pay for the company of females one way or another.

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Teachers again , no suprise here.

And young japanese girls prostituting themselves off again, no surprise here either.

They do need to prosecute these under age prostitutes too though as they seem to just get off (no pun intended) being charged, they are not all little innocent victims sold to the sex trade by immoral elder people, they are horny little, money hungry, brand bag carrying little immoral sluts, and they need to be punished along with the older guys who are paying them.

Need a hooker boys? go atleast get one who is of legal age for petes sake.

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bentheredonthatSep. 07, 2011 - 02:07PM JST

do you have any facts to prove the garbage that you spew?

Mostly what I have done is point out that others have no facts. I have presented few myself. The definitions of pedophile, ephebophile and hebephile are readily available on the net. Just be mindful of the difference between the psychological definition of pedophile as opposed to the legal one, and also to the quiltwork of misconception dangerously and incorrectly applied by the layman with pitchfork in hand.

where are you getting your "facts" about 1/3 of "normal" men being attracted to prepubescent girls?

http://www.mhamic.org/sources/halletal.htm

As in any witch hunt, many around you are keeping silent as to their true thoughts, or trying to hide them Larry Craig style by loudly condemning others. They may be fakers or they may actually hate themselves. They give me thumbs down, guaranteed.

you further add that he is neither a ephebophile nor a hebephile;

No. I said we cannot say that he is, because that requires a psyche eval. Look at that post again. Read carefully and open your mind. Drop your preconcieved notions for a second. I wrote what I wrote. You are reading things into it that simply are not there.

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he is alleged to have met the then junior high school third-grader through a matchmaking website.

Here is the answer . She and the other girls are always there, the guys are always there, they all know where to find what they are looking for, what else could happen?

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Hey CrazyJoe. How much was quoted for those over 75?

She usually pays about 10,000 ;} but then again, guys are cheap.

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The guy is a liar. I see students on the trains all the time and if you cannot tell they are kids, get a lobotomy.

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At Mr. Oracle:

http://www.mhamic.org/sources/halletal.htm does not work. I tried to read stats of yours.

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oracle

No, I said we cannot say that he is.

Which means you cannot say that he isn't one. Can't you read?

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Ha! He just paid too much!

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I feel sorry for the professor. Was it a crime to have sex with a whore? The act is indecent in some point though but to condemn one side of the coin is a bit unfair. Well, just my opinion.^^

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Fully one quarter to one third of normal men are attracted to prepubscent girls

Really Oracle? But even assuming that were true, but there's a big difference between thinking she's attractive and trying to have a 'relationship' with her, with justifications that she's being treated like a princess and so on.

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This sick old fart, makes me sick! I hope he is locked up in jail for a very very long time, but wait this is Japan, the land o hentais, so hell be out in a few months and back teaching??

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@Oracle (chewitup?) - By the way, the study you referred to for this: "Fully one quarter to one third of normal men are attracted to prepubscent girls" has THIS to say in its summary:

" This study examined men's heterosexual attraction to adult women and prepubescent girls. The 80 men were recruited through newspaper advertisements, and therefore were not necessarily representative of the general population. "

So, a small study and " not necessarily representative of the general population " anyway.

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Does the girl have to give back the 30,000 yen?  

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definitely not a pedophile - she's no child

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I think parents should tell their children not to trust every adult they know and talk more about sex and how important is to value their own bodies, that is something you can't offer for money. And I think most of you make fun of these articles even they are serious, so you should stop posting or be more considerate.

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So, a small study and " not necessarily representative of the general population " anyway

Looks like standard research to me. You got something better? Probably not. Any researcher touches this topic, they get flamed. Well, unless they spit out the desired result. You got entire mobs of ignorant people who brand prominent researchers like Kinsey as pedophiles. Its so bad if you go to the official website on his research you have to specifically request things because they won't put the info out there for all to see. How do you get the right answers if you just wrestle with your own darkest imaginings all the time and never have the research? Or, dismiss it because you don't think 80 people are enough, but don't have any competing research? If I were to bet, I would go with the research we have rather than the research you don't have.

If you really want something to verify, why not consider how often we have heard the words "enjou kosai" and how much we related that teen prostitution? How about all those child porn rings we keep finding? I might suggest you ask some of your guy friends if they have ever looked at a teen or child with interest, but you won't get the truth being so judgemental.

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The girl in question really has her own issues. She had motives, too, and it was probably to blackmail an old perv (her view) out of his money. With that said, the teacher is not convicted and we don't know the whole story. We don't know if he is a pedophile. I'm sure the matchmaking site doesn't have minors in the search fields. I agree there is a problem in this country with minors being sexualized by the media and art. The French have done this in photo magazines and labeled it art, and Americans have those creepy "little-miss" pageants. This attitude to minors is nothing new. Is it a taboo topic? Yes. Are there any honest answers out there? No. Are young women, who say they are 18, attractive? Gee ... I wonder? This teacher erred here. He believed a liar.

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@Bucknekidd - seems like this hits a raw nerve.

It's pointless asking me if I've got something better because I'm not a researcher. But you can't justify adult-minor relationships by saying "Fully one quarter to one third of normal men are attracted to prepubescent girls" when there's no "fully" coming from a study of only 80 subjects and when even the authors of that report declared that it's not necessarily representative of the general population.

Your cited research doesn't support what your defending. That's all I'm saying here.

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@Bucknekidd

I might suggest you ask some of your guy friends if they have ever looked at a teen or child with interest, but you won't get the truth being so judgemental.

Looked at a child with interest? Judgemental? Err...okay....

Hell of a difference thinking "That girl is hot" and acting on it. 15-year olds? Mm, but then you mentioned a child. How young do you think is acceptable? Care to state an age?

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Agree with hatsoff.

Being interested and attracted is one thing(nature putting its grubby paws in there to a limit) but acting on it and going through with it is a totally different kettle of fish.

As for willing parties(all sides) they will always find a way and will fall foul of the law.

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As far as this 50 year old teacher not realizing the girl was as young as she was? Utter BS. A 15 year old girl with make-up on still looks 15.

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But you can't justify adult-minor relationships by saying

Well there is your problem. The quote was never meant as a justification for adult-minor relationships. It was simply expressing the fact that the attractions are not abnormal and cannot be cured. Its so common its normal. So there is no therapy. All you can do is try to prevent acting on the attraction through fear of punishment and instillation of inhibition. Whether adult-minor relationships are justified is a separate question, yes, but that research does indicate that at least in pre-history, they were probably common. That would justify them either, but it does clear up some misconceptions, such as the idea that adults only want to harm minors, as does this case because if he had harmed her, we would have heard about it.

Your cited research doesn't support what your defending.

It does not support what somebody else took out of context. I advise you to judge posts for yourself and stay off the bandwagon.

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Hard to tell who's 15 and who's 18 when a lot of these girls dress like prostitutes.

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Yeah, he's bad.

But, I'm sure my sister, mother and wife would have known that it was wrong to do that when they were 15. If you're old enough to have a phone, sign up on an internet site, arrange to meet a man for sex, state the price, go though with the act and then receive the money, it's hard to convince people that you are only a child.

If she were my daughter, I'd kill the teacher if I got near him, but I'd consider myself a failure as a parent at the same time.

btw, it's not like anywhere near the majority of 15 yr olds are doing this. i'm sure there are plenty of 15 yr old girls left in Japan who are just as disgusted.

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There are common lies that child abusers tell themselves, and try to propagate to others - that it is normal, that most men are attracted to children, and that it does not damage the child, and the child enjoys the sexual abuse.

Study after study has shown that surviors of child sexual abuse suffer with self harm, eating disorders, compulsive and suicidal behaviors, seuxal difficulties in adulthood. They fear they themselves may become an abuser in adulthood, from terrible ptsd, of a feeling that they are ruined forever.

Perhaps the high incidence of women with borderline personality disorder in Japan has something to do with the high occurance of child sexual abuse here since it can be caused by childhood trauma.

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Perhaps the high incidence of women with borderline personality disorder in Japan has something to do with the high occurance of child sexual abuse here since it can be caused by childhood trauma.

Usually when I hear this I am more concerned about the border line personality disorder of the speaker. Usually that disorder seems to be a superiority complex. High occurance of sexual abuse here? Where did you get that idea? Manga?

Before I address the rest of your post, which seems to be woefully off topic and sounds like it was gleaned from watching Oprah too much, maybe you could explain to us how it is related to a 15 year old girl prostituting herself to a 50 year old man?

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"the attractions are not abnormal" (its normal)

"I might suggest you ask some of your guy friends if they have ever looked at a teen or child with interest, but you won't get the truth being so judgemental." (many men are attracted to children)

"So long as he is kind and sincere, I don't care his age." (the child enjoys the sexual abuse)

You seem to be invested in saying that the girl is the perp here, that children seek out sexual relationships with men, that it doesnt harm them. That this girl wouldnt have been harmed by sexual contact with adults. That is woefully ignorant of the damage done by people who sexually molest minors.

Ask anyone who has been here a long time, Japan is a haven for "lolicon", it is partially acceptable here.

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You seem to be invested in saying that the girl is the perp here

No. The man broke the law. The only question is if he knew he was breaking the law. However, in my opinion, there should be no perp.

that children seek out sexual relationships with men

First of all, she is no child. She is a minor. Second, do you think her name "slipped" onto the dating site???

that it doesnt harm them

Totally depends.

That this girl wouldnt have been harmed by sexual contact with adults

In and of itself, no. Why should she be? There are umpteen things one could add to sex acts that would cause damage. I don't deny that. But if a boy around her age does it or this guy, and they do it the same, what is the difference?

That is woefully ignorant of the damage done by people who sexually molest minors.

Nowhere does it say she was molested. It says she met a man through a dating site and engaged in sex acts. Molested is when children, teens or even adults are touched sexually when they don't want to be, often by surprise or trickery.

Ask anyone who has been here a long time, Japan is a haven for "lolicon", it is partially acceptable here.

So? Whats the relation to anything?

And could you answer how your earlier post is related to this topic?

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How come "how" the perp was caught is never reported?

Study after study has shown that surviors of child sexual abuse suffer with self harm, eating disorders, compulsive and suicidal behaviors, seuxal difficulties in adulthood.

I doubt there is a causal link.

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/014521349290011F

http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/bul/99/1/66/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/014521349190038F

http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/pubs/issues/issues9/issues9.html

Octo, men having sex with minors, whether or not those minors have been groomed not to resist, or previously abused and so an easy and confused target, is highly damaging. It ruins lives, the ability to form trusting relationships, the ability to deal with emotions.

Of course there is a well proven causal link. Dont fool yourself or try to fool others that sexual contact with children is anything other than a selfish and highly damaging act on behalf of the man molesting the child. A child cannot give consent. ALL sexual contact between an adult and a child is abuse.

In this case the man was more than 5 years older than this 15 years old girl, which is, if I remember rightly, considering her age, also considered abnormal sexual behavior on behalf of the man.

Octo, since you are not ashamed of your views, I would hope if you work with children you practice full disclosure to your employers and the parents.

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Octo, since you are not ashamed of your views, I would hope if you work with children you practice full disclosure to your employers and the parents

hear,hear

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They should have arrested the girl also, for being a prostitute..

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As far as age of consent I heard this: It's 13, but the guy or girl can't be above 17 yrs old. If 18 or over, the consent age is 18 or above.

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Realdoll, the girl was a victim and needs psych help and counselling, not arresting. She cannot be treated as an adult capable of making decisions, and clearly the possibility that she has been abused as a child needs to be looked into. A virginal 15 year old does not just advertise herself for sale on the internet.

What is wrong with full disclosure, if someone is of the views that Buck et al find so acceptable? It should be fully disclosed to teachers, parents, neighbors, and social services if they have children. Clearly they are not ashamed of having these views, nor do they think that people who do actually follow through on these views are hurting children, so why not disclose to people who have a right to know?

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goinggoinggone.

Get out there and meet some of those teens, you will get an eye-opener. It was similar back home 30yrs ago, if they wanted it they got it.

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Again, one of the basic lies told by people who defend child molesters - the child enjoys the abuse and seeks it out.

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goinggoinggone, it is no use talking to these cold logical scientific people. Of course he groomed her and of course it was his doing that her name was put on the dating site. Even though he had never met her, it is obvious that he did this via telepathy and witchcraft, though the scientific types will deny they exist. But, of course, they must, because this explains how he did these things.

She is just a child and won't be an adult for another 2 years and some months. So there is no way she could have been seeking anything at all, unless he already abused her.

And it does not matter if the criminal is 50 or 15 llike her. Any sexual contact on a 15 year old child will traumatize them, even self pleasuring. These crimes must be elminated at all costs, even if we have to put girls like this in an asylum strapped to a bed to prevent her damaging herself further. Anybody saying otherwise is sick in the head.

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Twisted logic and ridicule to jusitfy the sexual abuse and prostitution of children, huh?

How pathetic can you get? Actually..no dont answer that.

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goinggoinggone, so sorry. I just noticed that you are postive that it was someone else who abused her and thats why her details were on the net. It might well have been one of the agents of Satan, or perhaps, Satan himself since this individual has not been located just yet.

I don't see anyone justifying the prostitution of children. But some would be downplaying it in this case, which is heinous enough. Not only children like this little waif of 15, but also all adults 18+ who engage in prostitution have been abused, sometimes even self abused, something often encourged by many evil forces, such as television. No normal person ever engaged in prostitution willingly or pornography either.

But your main point seems to be about the sexual abuse of children rather than the much more obvious evil of prostitution. Of course, at 15, she is a child, clearly, and all psychologists agree. The law says under 18 is a minor, which means child, and psychologists agree with that too. I don't know why the law uses the word minor since they are the same. Its always abuse under 18, even when both are under 18, they only abuse eachother.

But it must be said that no female enjoys sex. Its just that at 18 they gain enough mental strength to tolerate it and ward off the trauma they would experience otherwise. And the age is precisely 18, as determined by psychology and most legal bodies, I guess because that is what psychologists said. At least that is what my gut tells me.

In this case, I would say this poor little girl is in a loop of making herself relive her own previous trauma. Its the only possible explanation. The idea that she might enjoy the sex is just patent nonsense. She needs to be locked up for her own good until she is 18, because only then will she have the mental power to protect herself from the traumatic evil of sex. Then at 18 she can star in pornography, even in a rough orgy scene, and be ship shape, even though that would be so morally repugnant.

The most important things to remember is that sex is only for procreation and females don't like it. If you have that down, the rest follows quite naturally.

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Another pervert idiot, another greedy girl, both without morals.

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I think goingoinggone is pretty spot on. Normal 15 year old girls do not prostitute themselves on websites, and the vast majority that do have no self-respect or self-esteem which can be caused by (amongst other things) a history of abuse in childhood.

Regardless of who is at fault here, whether it is right or wrong, whether he or she has done anything wrong and any harm has been done (which we will all never come to an agreement on but I also find some of the posters views here pretty disturbing) the people I would be scrutinising far more closely than the girl or the 50 year old are the girls parents.

If I discovered my daughter had been doing this at 15 I would very much feel like I had let her down as her Mother and I would question what kind of environment she has been raised in to think this kind of thing is an option for her.

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goinggoinggone:

" The website should be charged with pimping underage girls.322 "

And how? You can be sure that the website gives an age limit on its front page. Look at any of the hundreds of "deai" sites, and you will see that.

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@ Disillusioned "it leaves one to ponder what percentage of these incidents are reported and how prolific this kind of stuff is within the school system of 'the safety country'."

there been a long history of them in Bunkyo-ku....

Please all us nons ......let the cats out of the bags..big time!

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