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Teacher to plead guilty over drowning deaths of Japanese teens in Australia

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How do you drown in a lake ?

-29 ( +4 / -33 )

I'm not sure how the teacher exactly contributed to this, but I hope it isn't just remorse and feeling guilty for something they may have had no control over. Usually when swimming, the tour group is responsible for providing a lifeguard or safety operator as teachers may not have the related life-saving credentials. Anyways, it's a sad outcome. Sad for the boys and their families. Sad for the classmates. Sad for the teachers and school.

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How do you drown in a lake ?

Really? People drown in lakes all the time. It is possible to drown in far less water than a lake would hold.

I'm not sure how the teacher exactly contributed to this.

The teacher apparently failed in his responsibility to monitor his students to prevent them from being in the situation that caused their deaths.

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Does anyone really think that 2 adults could possibly watch 15 16 yr old boys near and in a lake? Really?

I was a life guard. We had different people trained to watch the water and the area immediately around the approved swimming areas, but people still would walk 100m down the coast to swim without any lifeguards. These were usually families. As lifeguards we had much more legal power in our assigned area to ensure safety. I cannot imaging a vacation group with teachers having the correct training or attitude to keep the boys 100% safe.

It isn't like 16 yr olds can't be trusted to be responsible for themselves.

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The teacher apparently failed in his responsibility to monitor his students to prevent them from being in the situation that caused their deaths.

And that may be. But if you've ever escorted students on a trip abroad, the tour company is responsible for providing the safety necessary. For example, when I took students to Hawaii, the beach we used required a hired, licensed lifeguard to be there. They were also coned into one area. Thus, I would assume that the responsibility was with the tour company, which is likely why they were fined.

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@gurumick

Is that a serious question?

How do you drown in a big body of water?

2 ( +5 / -3 )

I assume Gurumick 's surprise is that at 16 being Japanese, you know how to swim. And if you are two together, it should be impossible that the 2 drowns simultaneously.

So the thinking is that they took their own risks to swim lonely while they knew they could not swim...

What could the teacher have done with children not respecting basic rules of safety (like don't cross roads out of pedestrian crossings...) ?

I hope he does not do seppuku after the ruling.

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I''m not saying it's not possible to drown in ,say, a bath...I,m asking people to add their imagination.

A lake...still water, in a very warm location...for most thats safe swimming.

But I am Australian and learned to swim before I could walk, .

But even "dog paddling " to keep your head above water not known to these sad kids ??

I dont want to sound mean....but really ?

-10 ( +1 / -11 )

I dont want to sound mean....but really ?

It's still an obtuse question and attitude.

3 ( +5 / -2 )

Who knows Mick, maybe the water wasn’t still. It could have been a windy day and the water was rough.

Maybe one of them got cramp which prevented him from swimming effectively.

Maybe they weren’t proficient swimmers in the first place.

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I must remember to tip toe around issues in future comments

Maybe they could'nt swim which raises a lot of questions by itself....but hey ,lets blame someone.

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The level of "duty of care" from my experience as a teacher in Australia and living / teaching here is often a very different animal.

In fact sometimes in Aust the rules are over the top esp re water safety, but then activities generally have few serious incidents. As a swimming instructor in Aust I have a had one "close" call - the classic naughty boy who didn't follow instructions and swam out of his depth in a placid lake. If the worse happened it would have all be on me - I guess.

My daughters here attended school swimming classes every year that would have broken the law in Aust. 35 ~ 40 kids in a pool with 1 - 2 teachers. Lax supervision at the best.

The expectations put on this group and the teachers in the article would probably have far exceeded what they were used to.

But I agree with others that the professional organisers of childrens events bear most responsibility. They would be very familiar with conditions, rules etc as part of their normal business functions.

And finally we have no idea of what happened on that day from such an article. Lots of gaps.

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I must remember to tip toe around issues in future comments

Anyone can drown. Trained or not. Professional lifeguard or not. There are millions of things that can happen, like a panic attack, if they've never been in lake water before or feared snakes and crocks. Perhaps the boys were horsing around and dunking each other at the same time?

Could have been an acute allergic reaction to food they'd never eaten before or a bee sting. Asthma attack like they never had before.

When people can't see the bottom due to murky conditions and are "dared" to do something they really don't want to do, all sorts of things can happen. Especially if they've only been swimming at pools.

Who knows? The people there may not know the full story.

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In what way was the teacher responsible? Only reason I can see it is, is if he allowed the boys to do something the guide operator had told them not to or if he directly did something that caused them to drown. If not it should only be the responsibility of the guide operator, a teacher shouldn't be expected to be a life guard.

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