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What part of "NO" does Ghosn not understand ?

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-27 ( +20 / -47 )

Cruel and unusual, he directly talked to their reasoning for not granting bail and they still rejected the request. Doesn't look good Japan.

24 ( +43 / -19 )

Clown car courts. Every time a gavel knocks, an exec leaves Japan

10 ( +28 / -18 )

Of course they did, he hasn't confessed yet. Much to the embarrassment of prosecutors. So they need many more months of poor food, cold environment, constant repetitive interrogations day and night. Separating him from family, limiting his time with his defence team. He will break metals or physically at some point. And instead of vultures circling they will be merrily perched on his carcass. Guilty or not.

18 ( +37 / -19 )

They are afraid he'll tamper with evidence or get evidence to try to prove his innocence? (BTW, not saying he is innocent). Maybe it is time to find a better lawyer. And I still can't get over the idea that he can be released if he signs a confession of guilt though there is no solid evidence of such. Interested to see how this plays out. Sure hope he doesn't die in detention.

3 ( +22 / -19 )

Oh and my next car will not be a Nissan. Guilty or not, I am not impressed with the way Nissan is handling this case.

20 ( +41 / -21 )

The court did not give a reason for the denial. Bail is rarely granted for defendants in Japan without a confession.

So are we to assume here that Kelly confessed, thus was granted bail?

33 ( +37 / -4 )

15 years is a lonely small cell is a long time

23 ( +28 / -5 )

It would seem that the "evidence" is not quite enough for a conviction. And a confession is required. At this point a confession will be viewed as being made under extreme duress and worthless in any first world country. But prosecutors will slap each other on the back at a Nissan funded after party. Can see Japan sliding further down in world Justice rankings this year.

15 ( +33 / -18 )

This is iijime ( ill treatment ) of a man & his family. Carlos have offered the best offer on the table. That show his true and gentlemanly ways. Japan should not talk abt human rights or anything with correct international mind. Japan has no rights on the international stage. This mean & cruel action shows many bodies are in a gang with saikawa & only mean and back-stabbing people can succeed in Japan. We the good Japanese are very ashamed of these mean Japanese. No, public relations needed, Japan is definitely, still in their own world. The only rights these Japanese have is just being born in Japan and a business card with some tittles like ....................................good luck to Japan.

15 ( +32 / -17 )

The court did not give a reason for the denial.

Well how about we try "Ghosn might escape to France in a submarine", "Ghosn might escape in the Tardis," etc.

8 ( +24 / -16 )

Good. He would immediately destroy evidence, in addition to all the evidence he has destroyed so far so no chance of release. Hopefully they bring charges of destruction of evidence too

-18 ( +16 / -34 )

Escape in a submarine ???.yes & have plastic surgery to look like Abe the prime-minister ???. Ha! Ha! Ha!, Carlos have fun pls.

2 ( +17 / -15 )

As expected. But this will probably make him more desperate, hope he doesn't sign a forced confession. Also where is Kelly, what happened to him? Haven't heard anything from him after he got released.

31 ( +34 / -3 )

The more he appeals to get out, the less his chances of release become.

24 ( +28 / -4 )

Bail is rarely granted for defendants in Japan without a confession.

The all important confession drives every aspect of Japan's criminal "justice" system.

Stay strong, Ghosn. Make the prosecutors actually do their job!

13 ( +30 / -17 )

Good. He would immediately destroy evidence, in addition to all the evidence he has destroyed so far so no chance of release. Hopefully they bring charges of destruction of evidence too

Pure speculation.

10 ( +27 / -17 )

Mark Karpeles (French businessman) also spent some time in the detention center in Tokyo.

"I wouldn't want this on anyone," Karpeles told CNN. "Not my worst enemy, not even humanity's worst enemy."

Karpeles said he lost 77 pounds (34 kgs) in custody. After the interrogation period came seven months in solitary confinement at a pre-trial detention center in Tokyo.

He remembers every detail of his windowless 6-square-meter (65-square-foot) cell, which had tatami floors, a sink, a toilet, and a small table on which he kept his journal.

Karpeles said he was forced to sit upright in a corner for some ten hours a day. If guards caught him slouching or napping, they would shout through the door. Once, when he failed to comply, he was taken to the padded "punishment room" where his hands were tied behind his back and he was kept on the floor for several hours.

He was released on bail more than two years ago, but he says he's still adjusting to life on the outside.

23 ( +37 / -14 )

At some point the question "What happens if he can't be convicted on the evidence and the prosecutor and Ministry of Justice can't be seen to lose?", has to be asked. Is his life forfeit?

8 ( +23 / -15 )

It's hilarious that anyone would defend Japan's "justice" system given it is blatantly not interested in ensuring justice is served.

14 ( +31 / -17 )

Nope! You're done Carlos

-6 ( +15 / -21 )

This is actually getting kind of old. Get on with the trial for crap's sake!!!

25 ( +30 / -5 )

The court gave no reason? Perhaps the reason is so embarrassing to actually articulate with a straight face the judge felt it best to scrapper out the back door.

10 ( +26 / -16 )

Poor Ghosn, he actually thought rationality plays a part in the J-justice system.

11 ( +27 / -16 )

The court did not give a reason for the denial.

Because the court have no reason.

6 ( +23 / -17 )

The court did not give a reason for the denial.

Well, of course not!!

Ghosn addressed all of their legitimate reasons for not granting bail.

Which left them with this:

"Crap, we can't say that we deny bail because we need to allow the prosecutors to beat a confession out of him."

"Let's just not give a reason."

"So, Mr. Prosecutor, you buying drinks tonight?? At your local izakaya?? Right, let's go.""

2 ( +18 / -16 )

Dear Carlos, I am sorry to say that with a 99% conviction rate you had better mentally prepare for a long sentence. If you had been Japanese and confessed then you would already be in Copacabana on a suspended sentence.

5 ( +23 / -18 )

This is of huge concern to anyone living in Japan. The fact that bail is never given unless you confess. Ghosn's appeal was very reasonable, to tag him and that he would even pay for security. This is just proof that the system is not interested in a defendant having the chance to prove their innocence in court.

And lets just consider his crime for a moment. Tax avoidance and allegedly using company funds for unapproved benefit. The man who saved one of the highest profile car manufacturers in Japan, who were bankrupt 20 years ago. Flight risk? Where could he possibly go and hide?

This is blatant racism. As pointed out previously, why did this not happen with Olympus, Kobe Steel, Toshiba...

9 ( +25 / -16 )

Poor Ghosn, he actually thought rationality plays a part in the J-justice system.

With each appeal, Ghosn shows up the justice system as having no justification at all. I feel sorry for Japan, because we were under the impression that it was a 1st world rule of law country and it turns out it was all just a facade

8 ( +22 / -14 )

With each appeal, Ghosn shows up the justice system as having no justification at all. I feel sorry for Japan, because we were under the impression that it was a 1st world rule of law country and it turns out it was all just a facade

Under Japanese law, when a defendant is refused bail, they can apply again unlimited times.

Then apply again and again until the "court" gives a reason.

-7 ( +9 / -16 )

...it turns out it was all just a facade

Tatemae and honne, the very first J-dichotomy one should become thoroughly familiar with.

-1 ( +13 / -14 )

The court did not give a reason for the denial. 

I can't believe the court is allowed not to give a reason. If the court did not give a reason, doesn't this open up the system to abuse and bias?

3 ( +18 / -15 )

It's no wonder Japan ranks so low in human rights.

11 ( +25 / -14 )

But but but he promised not to flee and destroy evidence! Lol Carlos is Ghosn

-2 ( +11 / -13 )

considering how hard the canadians have been working to get their political prisoners out of china, the complete lack of interest in Ghosn's case by the French government is disgraceful. Macron is a disgrace. AND the seemingly lack of coverage by the mainstream media over the Ghosn case vs the coverage of the 3 canadians also detained in another asian nation by another despotic regime is disgusting.

0 ( +14 / -14 )

It's more humane and considerate to keep him in prison so he can adjust to his new life inside, because he will be away for a long, long time for his crimes. Good on the judge

-8 ( +12 / -20 )

Wow his crimes must really be bad to get this sort of treatment. Can't wait until the trial in 6 months time to hear how deep he's dug himself into

2 ( +15 / -13 )

Everyday you wake up thinking that this maybe the day when courage wins over expediency. Then you realize careers are built on stubborn, pig headed resolve. Of course the answer was NO, silly. Nothing at all surprising about it, just sad that’s all.

Be strong Ghosn. You’ll have your day eventually. All you want is a chance to defend yourself fairly. Nothing complicated about what’s going on at all, don’t have to be a scholar to understand nor see what’s happening here. It’s the clash of two very different mindsets. A train wreck actually.

1 ( +17 / -16 )

As much as I love Japan, there is no Justice in Japan, only what the prosecutors make it to be.

4 ( +20 / -16 )

The problem it that it is jot up to Ghosn to decide the terms of his bail, which is why he is still on remand.

I have issues with the weight the Japanese justice system places on confessions (Spanish Inquisition, anyone), but the courts are within their right to deny him bail.

12 ( +18 / -6 )

Japanese juridical system is very stubborn and racist,no wonder that Ghosn get such treatment.

The media is guilty as well with this inquisition atmosphere,human rights at it's lowest point.

2 ( +16 / -14 )

Then apply again and again until the "court" gives a reason

The court has given reasons.  How many times does it have to repeat?  Even from the detention, he ordered his daughter to retrieve some documents from Brazil house.  Remember?

If he was bailed out, many people would afraid of him to testify.

1 ( +18 / -17 )

he ordered his daughter to retrieve some documents from Brazil house

Nissan, an indicted party, has also been retrieving documents.

-3 ( +13 / -16 )

he promised to be tracked 24/7 report to prosecutors daily and even pay the cost of court appointed guards to watch over him, how would anybody be able to destroy eveidence in those conditions.

Why make it simple when we can make it complicated ?

Actually, as he is locked in detention center, he's already being tracked 24/7, he speaks with prosecutors daily, and there is no need to appoint guards specifically to watch over him.

And by the way, those guards appointed by the court will likely be police officers : did Ghosn think he can bribe them !?

He is basically asking everything he already gets in detention center, but he wants to be outside and wants to possibility to bribe police officers, isn't that great ?

And people are shocked by the court denial, really ?

So, I'll repeat : why make it simple when we can make it much more complicated ?

Ghosn wants to get outside of the detention center, because only outside he can achieve the things he wants to do : speak in the medias, in SNS, liaise with some people to either destroy evidence or prepare his escape outside of Japan or silence someone, whatever.

Let me be very clear : Ghosn doesn't want to be outside because he is craving for red meat and pricey wines, or because his cell is lacking of a fan heater. Reasonable people are not fool enough enough to believe so.

1 ( +16 / -15 )

Even Renault and the French government are abandoning their little golden boy after seeing in detail what he's done; they know he's not getting out. Time to let him go

-4 ( +13 / -17 )

Outside of Japan, Carlos Ghosn does not have the star power of, say, Elon Musk. Most of the world doesn't really care he's rotting in detention. In fact, some commenters at other sites wish a similar style of justice be brought to a lot of Wall Street execs for their corporate greed.

Without international pressure, he's stuck in there. However, if it gets to a point similar to what happened to American held in North Korea until he was near dead (and eventually died), then the international community may wake up.

0 ( +11 / -11 )

He is basically asking everything he already gets in detention center, but he wants to be outside and wants to possibility to bribe police officers, isn't that great ?

> Ghosn wants to get outside of the detention center, because only outside he can achieve the things he wants to do : speak in the medias, in SNS, liaise with some people to either destroy evidence or prepare his escape outside of Japan or silence someone, whatever

Pure, unsupported speculation.

2 ( +17 / -15 )

It would appear Carlos is actually a super villain in many people's minds, talk of everything from submarines to bribery. Any contact with him apparently draws you into his web of evil? But where is the evidence? Leaked snippets from unnamed sources. A secret internal Nissan investigation that has miraculously supplied nothing to charge him with, just enough to detain him. Prosecutors who in two months of (I would guess investigation) fruitless probing now have nothing but the hope of a confession. Think the evil super villain in this case might just be the inept politically and businesses controlled MOJ.

0 ( +14 / -14 )

Straight up unreasonable and discriminating.

This would never happen if the person in question was Japanese. I guess we're still living in the old times, eh.

2 ( +15 / -13 )

Even as a flight risk, I think the concessions he offered should be taken into consideration by the courts. Ankle monitor, his stocks, and a promise not to leave the country. That's pretty reasonable for a non felony charges. If still wary and doubtful, the courts can post guards at his apartment, restrict visitors/calls, and social media.

0 ( +14 / -14 )

If any of you have any evidence that Ghosn would try to or has tampered with witnesses or destroyed evidence, post a link. You can't post a link be ausevyou have no evidence of this.

-2 ( +12 / -14 )

Bail denied, good to hear. Justice is being properly served

Elaborate, otherwise, this is just a naked assertion.

-3 ( +10 / -13 )

He is basically asking everything he already gets in detention center, but he wants to be outside and wants to possibility to bribe police officers, isn't that great ?

Ghosn wants to get outside of the detention center, because only outside he can achieve the things he wants to do : speak in the medias, in SNS, liaise with some people to either destroy evidence or prepare his escape outside of Japan or silence someone, whatever*

> Pure, unsupported speculation.

Sure it's speculation, but very realistic one.

But you, tell us why Ghosn absolutely wants to be outside of the detention center, but at the same time asking the same 24/7 tracking & daily report to prosecutors he's already got in detention center, while such supervising would cost much more police officers specifically appointed to the task ?

Because he's cold, he doesn't sleep well, he doesn't like the food, he wants to see trees and flowers, he wants to see his family, he wants to relax in a hot bath, etc...

Can Ghosn's fan boys really sink to that extent of foolishness ?

If that's the case, it's longer foolishness, it's creepy idolatry.

6 ( +15 / -9 )

He's a super rich elite so of course he wants elite pre-trial detention, but thankfully Japan treats everyone the same no matter how rich or poor they are. I'd be very upset if they released him on bail where he'd surely flee

2 ( +15 / -13 )

Sure it's speculation, but very realistic one.

There is no evidence he willtry to do any of this, which means it's asinine speculation.

But you, tell us why Ghosn absolutely wants to be outside of the detention center

Really? You cannot understand this? How about so he can speak with his lawyer without fear of being monitored? How about so his mental health doesn't deteriorate to the point where he caves and gives a false confession? How about so his physical health doesn't deteriorate?

Can Ghosn's fan boys really sink to that extent of foolishness ?

If that's the case, it's longer foolishness, it's creepy idolatry.

The foolishness comes from unfounded speculation and blind faith in a "justice" system that has no interest in justice, which is evidenced by the reliance on forced confessions and indefinite detention to extract those confessions.

-2 ( +14 / -16 )

He's a super rich elite so of course he wants elite pre-trial detention, but thankfully Japan treats everyone the same no matter how rich or poor they are. I'd be very upset if they released him on bail where he'd surely flee

You clearly have no clue about the Japanese "justice" system.

-3 ( +13 / -16 )

If any of you have any evidence that Ghosn would try to or has tampered with witnesses or destroyed evidence, post a link. You can't post a link be ausevyou have no evidence of this.

Regardless of whether he has or hasn't, the job of the bail hearing is to decide whether there is reasonable instance to suspect that he MIGHT do it, not to decide on the legality of bail conditions.

To address it:

24/7 ankle bracelet, the Japanese court has no precedent for this, so the bail hearing has no legal framework to decide that its relevant and should be allowed. That isn't up for them to decide.

Paying of personal guards: That sounds like bribery to me, or an attempt to do some. As such, the bail hearing would properly disregard that as well.

I don't think Ghosn realizes that he isn't going to get special treatment here, and why should he? All the other people in detention centers who don't have the money that he does don't receive bail either. The bail hearing has to remember not to set a precedent and they're doing a very good, legal, just, and non-partisan job of it. Just because it isn't the result people want doesn't make it the wrong one.

4 ( +14 / -10 )

This case is getting boring now, will tune back in at the end of the year when he goes to trial. Enjoy detention Ghosn!

1 ( +13 / -12 )

Regardless of whether he has or hasn't, the job of the bail hearing is to decide whether there is reasonable instance to suspect that he MIGHT do it, not to decide on the legality of bail conditions.

Really? That's what a bail hearing is for? Wow! Thanks for the lesson.

Without any reason being given by the court for denying bail, we have no clue on what grounds it was denied. In countries with actual justice systems, the judges are required to articulate their decisions and provide supporting evidence.

More to the point, I was ridiculing all of you making asinine assertions with no evidence. Glad to see you caught that.

-3 ( +11 / -14 )

All the other people in detention centers who don't have the money that he does don't receive bail either

And Japanese people with money and/or fame receive bail. Justice is meant to be blind, not sensitive to nationality.

-3 ( +13 / -16 )

@Hiro Ueda

Do you know what an "ankle monitor" implies ?

Several, not just one, several police officers for a 24/7 effective supervision.

What can be the valid reason to spend so many officers specifically appointed for that task, when a cell in a detention center does the work just fine ?

And as for his "promise not to leave the country".

What happens if he does leave the country ?

What guarantees do Tokyo prosecutors have ?

Ghosn being locked up in his cell is the only one guarantee he will not leave the country, plain and simple.

3 ( +14 / -11 )

Ghosn being locked up in his cell is the only one guarantee he will not leave the country, plain and simple.

LOGIC FAILURE! 24/7 guards, GPS monitoring, confiscation of passport almcome to mind.

-6 ( +11 / -17 )

I don't think Ghosn realizes that he isn't going to get special treatment here

Well it all seems pretty special so far.

-4 ( +9 / -13 )

I don't think Ghosn realizes that he isn't going to get special treatment here, and why should he? All the other people in detention centers

The comparison isn't just with other people in detention centers; it's whether Ghosn should have been sent to a detention center at all. How many days did the members of the Olympus board spend in these places? How about TEPCO? Kobe Steel?

1 ( +16 / -15 )

For those defending the MOJ I would suggest you simply look at JapanTodays history of Crime reports. They are all over the place from suspended sentence for murder, rape, fraud to jail for stealing ¥10, or huge fines for stealing a toilet roll. One thing stands out if you are in anyway connected to a known university, celebrity, politician, or a CEO it's probably going no further than the prosecutors out box. Be poor, a foreigner or simply a normal person expect the full weight of an inquisition type of trail with all the consequences that entails.

0 ( +16 / -16 )

This article has been filled with recycled news to fill it up. however, has anybody else noticed there is no reference as to why his bail was refused this time? Previous requests were denied due to him being a flight risk and the possibility of him destroying evidence. However, he has stated he will wear a locator anklet and have security, which 'should' put the judge's fears at bay. If these are the only reasons the judge has denied his bail it is obviously a case of bias and unfair treatment. This man is not guilty of anything (yet), but he has been cut off from his family, being held in a small solitary cell, interrogated for hours daily, being fed a diet based on rice alone, has no access to the internet or newspapers and they intend to hold him like this for at least six months. This man is not convicted of anything and this how he is being treated? A convicted murderer gets treated better. It's absolutely disgusting how he is being treated, guilty or not.

-2 ( +14 / -16 )

LOGIC FAILURE! 24/7 guards, GPS monitoring, confiscation of passport almcome to mind.

You don't need to caps lock to try proving you're right when you're wrong.

Being locked up in his cell at the detention center is less expensive, not subjected to human error.

Why wishing for an effective and cheaper solution when you can wish for a less effective and more expensive one.

2 ( +14 / -12 )

You don't need to caps lock to try proving you're right when you're wrong.

Hahahahaha. Good one. Is this better: logic failure?

0 ( +14 / -14 )

The court has given reasons. How many times does it have to repeat? Even from the detention, he ordered his daughter to retrieve some documents from Brazil house. Remember?

The house in Brazil is under Brazilian jurisdiction.

Had the Prosecutor s "Special Investigation Team" (whatever that may be) acted properly in the first instance, using embassies and interpol, any issues could have been resolved properly.

Never a good idea to have a special department within a department.

-7 ( +9 / -16 )

Feel like the Japanese prosecutor is a wizard, he's keeping surprising us by pulling out rabbits from his pocket. Nissan accuse him following by Mitsubishi, then who??????? I think the vegetable store around the corner will accuse him too.

Stop this farce, this is faraway to be fair and respect the human rights.

-1 ( +16 / -17 )

So @john, ankel monitor is more expensive?! Here is your "logic failure", police already spend time at the station 24/7, they are programmed with allowed areas times etc, and give an alarm when they exit these areas or gets damaged in any way, or if they loose signal. They require less people to maintain, no money for food, building, and guards checking on you every 10min. Before you choose flawed logic, I would request you to research first.

We use this in Denmark and many other countries in Europe because it's cheaper!

At this point in time, I would highly plede the European Union to start talking about sanctions, in coop with USA. Japan needs to change it's attitude.

0 ( +13 / -13 )

Ghosn being locked up in his cell is the only one guarantee he will not leave the country, plain and simple.

Incorrect. Ghosn being locked up in his cell indefinitely increases the chance for the prosecution to get a confession. That is the only tool they have in the box.

guards checking on you every 10min

Someone has to yell at him to sit up straight in the middle of his cell.

0 ( +12 / -12 )

Judge’s reason for denying bail: “Are you kidding me? If I let you out, my prosecutor friends will sideline me forever. Thanks for the offer but, no.”

I love Japan, but the inJustice system is just plain male cow poop.

3 ( +18 / -15 )

They really dont want him talking to anyone...what a show Japans justice system at its best..

-3 ( +12 / -15 )

They really don.t want him talking to anyone..

Every sensible on here knows that. Apparently there are some that believe Ghosn committed a serious crime, and that he is a flight risk, and that he will attempt to bribe his way to innocence.

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@DudeInJapan

Are you saying that on purpose ?

Who are you trying to fool ?

i've never said the ankle monitor itself is cheaper than a cell, I've said that an ankle monitor, if you want an effective supervision, implies several police officers dedicated to the task.

And as @ksteer said, "24/7 ankle bracelet, the Japanese court has no precedent for this".

So, police officers have to supervise the monitor in a relay manner, 24/7, then dispatch a team if the alarm rings (at least 1 team has to be ready 24/7, only for this purpose, while another keeps monitoring the device).

For God's sake, such logistics ! And all the possible human errors it can involve !

You know why in European Union, such device is vastly used ?

Because it's cheaper than prison, yes.

But not because it's more effective than prison. See some terrorists in France, their ankle monitor didn't prevent them to throat-cut a priest in his church.

And last reason why it's vastly preferred to prison : it's ideology. The European Court of Human Rights orders EU members to use prison as a very last resort, because prison in itself is what produce crimes in society, not criminals, because prison is bad, mean, cruel, counterproductive, etc...

8 ( +15 / -7 )

The best thing to do is publicly shame japan by removing it from human rights groups. Complete isolation is the only way to curb this disgusting abuse of individual rights!!!

6 ( +13 / -7 )

SHAME ???.in Carlos case......................shocking Japanese people, this is a case that Carlos , U do the job and we , Japanese take the credit because we are born here in Japan. Next time, leave any Japanese company to their bankruptcy, Pls do not help any bad stabbing Japanese. We good Japanese are very ashamed In another news on Japan times on 19th Nov 2018, they call saikawa Carlos's protégé....................surely no foreigners will want such a protégé in their correct mind. What a waste of everything. Shame, I do not think that kind of people know the meaning of shame. Having money and a name card with a tittle is what such kind of Japanese understand. Poor minded and shallow if U ask me.

4 ( +10 / -6 )

What a disgrace. I love Japan itself and Japanese people in general but this is really the most shameless mockery of the justice system I've ever seen. I'm astonished Japan would willingly represent their government in such a dishonorable way. Everyone really should look at this by observing the facts first. There are just some facts that cannot be ignored.

A man is accused of a crime without proof backed by direct supporting evidence. He's being held against his will, based on "what if..." contingencies, with little to no respect for his natural human rights.

During this kidnapping, he's not allowed access to any of the outlets that have a high probability of proving his innocence, if he is innocent. This obviously shows that there may actually be something out there that can prove his innocence and he's being intentionally kept from it. This is a strangely a very common thing in Japanese business culture. They cant afford to be wrong so they'll literally use any means to block it or prevent it from being realized. Some people in Japan will even kill themselves to prevent dealing with being proven wrong.

Everytime the statue of limitations for his holding time reaches fruition, another "suprising" discovery of criminal action appears from nothingness. This is obviously the prosecution holding as many variations of each crime as they can find and then reaching up and pulling them out of the 'crime cloud' systematically in an attempt to extend his kidnapping as long as possible.

Beyond these facts almost everything else up till now has been completely single sided. I don't know if Ghosn is innocent. But one thing I do know: The Japanese government in this case has lost sight of right and wrong and "Justice" is no longer the goal in mind. It's now all about who's right and who's strongest.

No matter the final outcome here, Japan has lost significant respect around the world as a leader. And more importantly as a potential prospect for international business. After this case, whatever crime statistics the Japanese government present, can no longer be taken seriously. Especially conviction rates

6 ( +12 / -6 )

Great Japan.

You can not buy a ticket out of the prison.

I am certain we will get the full & true picture, once the case is up.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

I feel a lot of the commentators will sing a different tune, once the prosecutor(-s) presents the case.

No doubt in my mind, that the Japanese legal system is one of the finest.

We just have to look at many European countries and their legal systems, to understand that they should improve their standards.

I refrain from talking about what is going on in the US or Russia or in some of the S. American countries.

Anyone pointing fingers at Japan should maybe stop right now and wait for a moment.

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

This case really shows Japan in a bad light. It is now being publicized around the world and gives Japan a very bad image.

I would not work there whatever I was paid. This could happen to anyone if someone in your company doesn't like you.

4 ( +10 / -6 )

Katrina

Ha ha. Japan's "justice system" is absolutely disgraceful for a so called modern country.

2 ( +9 / -7 )

Seems many of the commentators, forgets that this is Japan and subsequently Japanese law is applicable.

I am certain Mr. Ghosn was / is fully aware of this now and when he started his in job.

Play by the rules & pay by the rules.

-3 ( +6 / -9 )

What kind of standards are you talking about, katarina?

4 ( +8 / -4 )

Is this the way that Japan wishes to be portrayed ? Closing ranks on the Foreigner who was brought in to help, did exceptionally well, and seemingly did nothing wrong in terms of standard global practises. Yet, suddenly we find he's committed such a terrible crime that he must be detained indefinitely without charge. And, as others are saying, it does seem, based off prior news stories, that he will remain so, until he confesses ... in my view, this does look like a Western medieval-era Witch hunt, which will result in the proverbial burning...

Is he even receiving Consular support... and what, are they saying about the situation ?

Poor chap.

0 ( +7 / -7 )

Katarina KrakowJan. 22  10:27 pm JST

Great Japan.

You can not buy a ticket out of the prison.

I am certain we will get the full & true picture, once the case is up.

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Agreed! :-)

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0 ( +3 / -3 )

Katrina

We just have to look at many European countries and their legal systems, to understand that they should improve their standards.

I refrain from talking about what is going on in the US or Russia or in some of the S. American countries.

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Salient points - from someone who evidently knows what she is speaking of.

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You don't have to like it - this is the Japanese system. Pointless to compare/complain about Japan vs US, EU, AU, etc. Ghosn will not get bail, especially by offering up this other desperate measures such as electronic monitoring devices, security guards, etc. Japanese courts are not going to let foreigners inject new methods and manners of bail terms.

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On a related note, CNN showing Mark Karpeles and his "ordeal" in detention. Give me a break. CNN spent literally no time detailing the crimes this guy is committed. They painted him as a victim of injustice. Even if Ghosn is guilty, there is a huge difference between him and Karpeles. Ghosn might have underreported money that he earned thru hard work for the benefit of Nissan. Karpeles used Mt. Gox and users money to live a lavish lifestyle and opps, hackers stole YOUR money, but not his money. Hoping he get convicted and can by Ghosn's new roommate.

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@Katarina, yes. And subsequently Chinese Law applies in China. NK law in NK. It’s an old excuse. Just because they’re used to it, doesn’t make it right and just. Please do some “research” and find out yourself how archaic and barbaric the Japan’s justice system is. I mean if you are okay with that then that’s on you.

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.robotxparty  Give me a break. CNN spent literally no time detailing the crimes this guy is committed.

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Oh yes - CNN- america's propaganda for the masses.

Anyway Karpeles and Ghosn are different stories.

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justasking Please do some “research” and find out yourself how archaic and barbaric the Japan’s justice system is

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Like Guantanamo?

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surprised so many people here supported japan jurisdiction system and unfair treatment to detainees.

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No doubt in my mind, that the Japanese legal system is one of the finest.

Oh yea... so "good" that I'm sure a 99% conviction rate is not manufactured, coerced or forced. Of course not, I mean the justice system in Japan must be the Walter White of the justice world... wizards at very high percentage. 99% - think about that. lol. By the way, Japanese law prohibits gambling and prostitution... . These activities are "illegal", you know. This whole circus is for what, about 3 years in jail, possibly fully or partially suspended?

Pfftt... Horiemon got 2years and 4 months. https://japantoday.com/category/features/kuchikomi/a-resigned-horiemon-prepares-for-life-in-prison

The "shining examples" at Olympus, were given 2.5 years BUT all suspended up to 5 years. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financial-crime/10156688/Ex-Olympus-executives-escape-jail-over-fraud.html

So at the end of the day, this whole sham was just for Carlos to sign the damn paper, bow, shed a few crocodile tears and say " sumimasen." The court would immediately hand him 2.5 years, and possibly suspend it. That's how they thought it would work. Low and behold, international law doesn't work like that. Surprise, surprise. This is one big hot, dumpster-fire of a mess.

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What part of "NO" does Ghosn not understand ?

What part of legal process don't you understand? Oh, such a thing as legal process must not exist where you live. You must not understand what appeals are for. You must not understand that the law and rules, even in Japan, allow for him to make a case for bail. These are the rules, otherwise known as the law. It's the same as if you saw a sign that said "Free Refills" at the burger chain. It means, you are allowed to have a free refill. That's what words are for, to convey meaning.

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Japan will do what Japan does because that's the way the laws are in Japan. And as most of us are living in Japan, guess what? You can complain all day/night, but it will not change. Get over it.

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The French government is here in Tokyo discussion Renalut/Nissan and needs to deliver the unequivocal message to the government to release Ghosn in the form of "This is not a request but an instruction and Japan will face dire consequences if Ghosn is not released." Of course, the French do not have the guts to do this though they have many means in their arsenal (economic, moral and military) to force Japan's hand. The international community should not accept this new imposition of the Gulag in Japan.

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What i see is that the world is looking and seeing how this world leading wannabe society is acting. When Japan wants international recognition by taking on world level responsibilities it’ll be looked at and judged by its actions. Does the world WANT a leader where defendants are treated like unwanted criminals before judgement? The Japanese system May score a victory at home with deep throats running around and prosecutors looking for unwanted foreigners but for sure it’ll come back to them. If the prosecution is successful it’ll be limited in scope. Their high profile case will create a major backfire since Ghosn was on a world level a symbol of what Japan needed to not only break from past poor management but also to join the world of international management. Edo revisited? The Black Ship tide is already too strong to stop it.

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Japan will never be on global level, their actions in the Carlos case tell us everything abt Japanese way of business and using good Brains from other countries in such a bad way. Japanese should forget their chances of going international or global. They should live in their small island world and dream that the rest of the world are not better than the , Japanese of Japanese birth right. Don't anyone think this look like Hitler's germany ???.

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Surely @wallacefred

its like sixty seven days, won't they have to rearrest him again soon, and why don't they plea bargain, if he offers some of the money back.

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