Tokyo proposes new law cracking down on requests for teens to share nude selfies online

protect them from being coerced into providing nude pictures of themselves

Why do they insist on calling it coercion, when it's really just requesting/convincing? Because the idea that a "child" would do something like that of their own free will damages the delicate sensibilities of their parents.

the idea that a "child" would do something like that of their own free will damages the delicate sensibilities of their parents.

Oh, so is the idea of statutory rape is a bad idea as well?

Oh, so is the idea of statutory rape is a bad idea as well?

How tha hell did you make that logic leap from sending pictures to rape?

Naked photos of minors is child porn and this 'coercing' should fall under the same law.

How tha hell did you make that logic leap from sending pictures to rape?

Because they are related. We say minors cannot consent, due to not being fully developed, and therefore sex with a minor is statutory rape. Coercing kids to send naked pictures is the same - they may give consent, but their brains are not fully developed, and therefore they are putting rules in place to prevent this coercion. Revisiting your statement:

the idea that a "child" would do something like that of their own free will damages the delicate sensibilities of their parents.

You seem to be saying that kids can consent, and that their consent should be enough. So I'm asking if you would say that their consent to sex should be enough, even as minors.

Consent to sending a picture over the internet where you'll never see or be involved with someone is different than consent to give up your body to them

You seem to be saying that kids can consent, and that their consent should be enough

You seem to be, yet again, putting words in my mouth and commenting on them as if I had said then

You seem to be, yet again, putting words in my mouth and commenting on them as if I had said then

Ok, then clarify what you meant by this comment:

the idea that a "child" would do something like that of their own free will damages the delicate sensibilities of their parents.

Were you not saying that kids should be able to legally consent to sending naked pics to adults? And if you weren't saying that, what did you mean?

Consent to sending a picture over the internet where you'll never see or be involved with someone is different than consent to give up your body to them

Well yes, they are different things.

So to get this clear, you think minors should be able to consent to sending naked pics to adults on the internet, and do not need any protection of law?

How about getting tough on those who would coerce minors to share nude pictures, and while on the subject, why not get tough on this whole seemingly tolerant of pedophile behavior?

you can not legislate scumbags. they will be scumbags no matter what the laws are

How about getting tough on those who would coerce minors to share nude pictures

That's what this article is about.

you can not legislate scumbags. they will be scumbags no matter what the laws are

Sure, but only some of them will ignore the law to do their scumbaggery. I would bet that an effective law would stop all but the most depraved from asking for these pictures.

@ Strangeland, - sociopath?

I'm not sure if you are asking if I'm a sociopath, or asking me if someone else is.

Although their heart is in the right place, I don't agree with this law. I think private personal messages between people should be completely off-bounds from the government. Who knows what exactly will fall under this "intimidation" provision?

seems allright, so if someone refuses, there is no pestering... the only part that i got a problem is that generally Japanese women do expect a guy to ask multiple times before they agree... ( it is a normal social game so the girl doesnt look too easy ) but as long as its only applies to minors... no problem if it helps prevent some abuse

Who will monitor all of this communication?

Or is it all after the request has occurred and someone complains ro reports it?

What age will be considered a “teen” will be a key part of this basically toothless and unenforceable policy. As is what is considered coercion as well as whether or not the 2 are in a relationship and even what kind of relationship.

Idea is good but Don’t really need any more “case by case” type laws.

So to get this clear, you think minors should be able to consent to sending naked pics

Again, you're putting words in my mouth. Did you even read my post? I said, nor did I imply, no such thing.

I have seen and read the usual bickering above comments, but what they have missed is that the police/goverment are trying to do something about a problem, surly something is better than nothing.

Naked photos of minors is child porn

It should be only there is sex act.

otherwise we end up with this kind of absurdity

https://jonathanturley.org/2009/08/17/texas-officials-arrest-parents-and-take-away-their-children-for-taking-pictures-of-their-children-in-a-bathtub-and-breastfeeding/

This is about to become a cat&mouse game. J-police will eventually get tired and just say shouganai.

Why?

Because smartphone-savvy JCs and JKs use LINE "hidden chat" feature

and not to mention that there are many alternatives out there with burnable phone number and burnable txt msgs.

the police/goverment are trying to do something about a problem, surly something is better than nothing.

Uh...no. Often it is worse. There are laws in place already that forbid this behavior. Half of the tragedies in the world happen because politicians want to be seen as "doing something."

@sensei258: I read your words pretty much the same way Strangerland did. It sounded like you were Ok with 16 years olds being convinced to send selfies by adults. I don't think he was putting words in your mouth, and you haven't clarified your first comment one way or the other.

I'm sure they'll just change their requests to semi-nude photo, with finger hiding the important parts. Not "nude" by Japanese standards, and arguably more tantalizing.

I'm sure they'll just change their requests to semi-nude photo, with finger hiding the important parts. Not "nude" by Japanese standards, and arguably more tantalizing

Indeed, Anything goes as long as long as they do what you mentioned above.

The proposed change would modify the existing law and make it a crime to request nude images from anyone under the age of 18 if he or she has already denied such a request.

So they still will be able to ask ONCE for a nude pic legally, and only be prosecuted if they repeat the request? Am I understanding this right?

Again, you're putting words in my mouth. Did you even read my post? I said, nor did I imply, no such thing.

Um, the quote you posted was not a reply to you, it was a reply to a different poster. As far as reading each other's posts, my reply to you, that you ignored, was:

You seem to be, yet again, putting words in my mouth and commenting on them as if I had said then

Ok, then clarify what you meant by this comment:

the idea that a "child" would do something like that of their own free will damages the delicate sensibilities of their parents.

Were you not saying that kids should be able to legally consent to sending naked pics to adults? And if you weren't saying that, what did you mean?

Although their heart is in the right place, I don't agree with this law. I think private personal messages between people should be completely off-bounds from the government.

This law is for teens, not adults.

@sensei258 - So are you going to clarify your comment?