Turkish man sues Osaka immigration bureau for breaking his arm

Perhaps he would be better off asking the Turkish Government to facillitate his return to Turkey where he may be better off. He doesn't seem to be doing too good in Japan. Incarcerated, broken arm----doesn't seem like the type of place you would want to live in.

Why won't Turkey take back their own citizen? If he was barred for 5 years then they should have put him back on a plane the next day in 2015. Problem would have been solved. He wouldn't keep wasting money for tickets if they just keep sending him back. The government has spent 3 years worth of funds housing and feeding him. What if wins his case then the government has to be paid for their irresponsibility too. I doubt it it will happen, but it is possible.

Shouldn't be resisting.

That arm breaking etc here is not important. He shouldn’t have been a nut and thrown the book (literally) at the officer. Anyway, what’s news here for me is that a country won’t accept their own citizen back. Wow.

Traveling with a criminal history , a country can disown you and deny responsibility. If Turkey was an EU member state he might have had a chance.

"It was illegal violence to punish him," said a lawyer for Orhan.

That reminds me of the movie "Midnight Express" the prisoner caught in a nightmare of his own making

Anyway, what’s news here for me is that a country won’t accept their own citizen back. Wow.

Its possible that Turkey doesn't want to be complicit in japan's HR violations of one of its citizens- deporting him pretty much means an end to the investigation and litigation. Turkey not agreeing to his deportation would force an investigation into the incident.

This is just speculation on my part. Anyway, I'm glad he's suing. Even if he doesn't win, he'll draw some neccessary light on the shameful abuses in the detention centers.

What happens if he is held for 5 years? Is he no longer barred then released and sent home? Will they release him then give him another 5 years?

go back to Turkey if you do not like it. You are not an invited guest

Anyway, I'm glad he's suing. 

He will just be charged back for assault and the litigation rendered void/inadmissible I think

Wow Ally, thats some stretch of imagination!

So this guy throws a book in anger at an officer, and who knows what kind of hissy fit he threw later as he resisted arrest.

If you comply and don't resist, injuries and deaths don't happen. Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand?

he became offended by the official's attitude and threw a book in anger.

Yeah, that's a smart move. That will make them like you a lot more. I'm not saying he deserved the broken arm but next time just cooperate and don't make things worse.

Orhan overstayed his visa on a previous visit to Japan and was not allowed to enter the country for five years.

He sounds like a troublemaker tbh.

If Turkey doesn’t accept him back, fly the short tempered fool in a plane close to the border and give him a parachute.

He has far overstated his welcome and needs to leave

Put him on a plane back to Turkey, then if Turkey refuses to accept him, Japan can just say 'nope, don't send him back to us'. Let him hang out in a Turkish airport until they figure out what to do with him.

Sadly, there is a small minority of immigration officials who should not be in the job that they are doing.

I would suggest recruitment procedures be examined, along with staff training.

First he overstays, then he tries to enter the country illegally. The guy is either really bad with dates or a moron or doing who knows what in Japan that he wasn't supposed to, or all three. Anyway, his fault that he's in the situation he's in right now.

Seems to me that Immigrations Japan has no problem with bad PR and make no effort to smooth things over unless it’s real bad.

The scary rep they have is probably seen as a powerful deterrent to unwanted immigration or attempted immigration as well.

If you comply and don't resist, injuries and deaths don't happen

It's not unheard of for police to invent stories to justify brutality and there are many suspicious "accidents" and deaths in police custody, around the globe.

What some of you are missing here is that excessive force was being used as a punishment on Mr Orhan.

Breaking someone’s arm takes real force.

Personally, I have seen a prison guard (male) punch a woman in the face here,so I can vouch that there are violent individuals out there.

Regardless of the circumstances it’s still his own fault! If he wasn’t being a Richard he would not have copped a beating. Furthermore, if he hadn’t tried to enter Japan illegally he would not have been in the detention center. It’s all his own fault.

You all forget that he might be Turkish citizen but of Kurdish nationality that might be the reason he is not accepted back. Of coarse no information about this but the issues with the human rights are the most important reason why Turkey is not even considered for EU membership.

Thus speaking what he was done at the immigration center is above imagination - hope he gets some solution to his problem.

Why is it that whenever we hear news about the immigration bureau its always about a detainee beinng mistreated, complaining or dead? While I understand that jobs like this are always stressful but come on, at least treat them right. Xenophobia shouldn't count as an excuse

Its possible that Turkey doesn't want to be complicit in japan's HR violations

Hmmmm violation of human rights isn't very high on Erdogan's political agenda. Not even sure they see this as a HR violation tbh.

They just couldn't care less about this bloke, what he's done, to whom and where. That's imo the very definition of 'not giving a sh--e about ppl's HR'.

I have experiences to work as an interpreter to assist police and immigration office investigations and I think it's strange Turkey didn't accept his deportation if he asked the police interpreter or the lawyer interpreter to contact Turkish Embassy/consulate, some of them have to visit him. But something I don't understand what is behind the scene. Probably he is a man of troubles anywhere in the world.

He will just be charged back for assault and the litigation rendered void/inadmissible I think

Let them charge him. They would then have to produce the tape that shows the whole incident.

Wow Ally, thats some stretch of imagination!

Not really. Just speculation.

Hmmmm violation of human rights isn't very high on Erdogan's political agenda. Not even sure they see this as a HR violation tbh.

That is a good point.

You all forget that he might be Turkish citizen but of Kurdish nationality that might be the reason he is not accepted back.

Exactly. That's what I was thinking.

They were checking whether he had taken his pain medication? No-one ever does that, unless...

Reading between the lines here for a moment.

Normally if you are in pain you will naturally want to take it, without any need for people to 'check' on you. Were they demanding that he swallow it in front of them?

It sounds as if they were suspicious that he might be faking pain, getting the doctor to prescribe, and then supplying/selling it to other inmates. (?)

The man is clearly a fool. His mistake was coming toJapan which is one of those rare countries that actually enforces its immigration policies and patrols its borders.

A cockroach on the lose.

Perhaps he faced human right violations. But he started being irrespectful of law several times. Face consequences.

I hate immigrants looking to gain social/economic advantages by just flying while sharing zero cultural link with the country of destination. Go to Europe if you are Turkisk at worst and fear for your life.

It's interesting that many posters here believe the law doesn't apply to you if you have broken the law. It's Kafkaesque.

"The Immigration Bureau has not commented on the case, saying it has not received the legal documents yet." Let's see if he is a Kurdish and the story will be different. I know that some of them want to go to the procedure to be a refugee but the immigration office in Japan has no legal process to admit it. And probably his passport was falsified. Well, he can be Kurdish or Isis terrorist at the same time, too early to find the facts at this moment. So many things behind the scenes.

A cockroach on the lose.

Absolutely shameful language to see here.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/19/katie-hopkins-migrants-vermin-darkest-history-drownings

This characterisation of people as less than human, as vermin, as a “virus” (as she did elsewhere in the article) irresistibly recalls the darkest events in history. It is eerily reminiscent of the Rwandan media of 1994, when the radio went from statements such as “You have to kill the Tutsis, they’re cockroaches” to, shortly afterwards, instructions on how to do so, and what knives to use.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/katie-hopkins-when-is-enough-enough-10186490.html

In the environment that led to creation of the Third Reich in Germany, Polish people were seen as "an East European species of cockroach", while Jews were rats. When Hutu extremists used radio propaganda to incite violence against the Tutsis during the Rwandan Genocide, they called on people to “weed out the cockroaches.”

He shouldn’t have been a nut and thrown the book (literally) at the officer

We don't know exactly what happened, but these officers have also no rights to verbal abuse and should realize that immigration detainees are not like normal criminal prisoners.

Two people have given me minus points above, and that's fine, but I am merely quoting the article: "When an immigration official tried to check on Orhan taking his pain medicine..." and then trying to make dome sense out of that line.

If the man is a Turkish citizen he has the right to enter Turkey, no matter what. It's nonsense for the Turks to say they will not accept his deportation: they have no choice.

@Toasted

Ad hominem attack.

Think about what I meant, not the word used.

That guy is an economic parasite, in the sense he wants to benefit advantages he has not right to obtain. I am not the one making Japanese laws but my Japanese family is paying taxes for him to support him in a detention center he should not even be in.

By the way, in my mother tongue language, we use that term as a synonym of parasite. Sorry if felt wrong but you should be more open to foreigners my friend.

According to this article he threw the book at the wall in anger. It includes a video of the incident where seven or eight prison officers get him on the floor to restrain and 'pacify' him.

https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASL5Y3W73L5YPTIL00P.html

Why won't Turkey take back their own citizen?

Could he be a pro-Kurdistan symphatizer ?

Well, he can be Kurdish or Isis terrorist at the same time,

Very unlikely, as the Kurds and ISIS are ideologically opposed, hate each other and are fighting each other in Syria.

If you comply and don't resist, injuries and deaths don't happen. Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand?

Because that's not the reality in many countries.

First mistake, trying to get into Japan

second mistake, throwing the book

sorry buddy, no more mistakes

@ nandakandamanda 

when ou write :

"Two people have given me minus points above, and that's fine, but I am merely quoting the article..."

why do you even care what people think ?!

@ Prin

Think about what I meant, not the word used.

Think about the use of the word in recent historical context as I linked to. previously.

Turkey is notorious for not cooperating with deportations. Iran and Morocco are two others.

This case is a good example of why Japan needs to establish the sort of pre-clearance authorisation system that Australia, the US (and soon the EU) have to greenlight travellers before they ever board a flight. With countries like Turkey and asylum shopping, deportation is no longer a viable tool to rely on.

That said, the breaking of his arm is obviously something out of the ordinary that needs to be investigated. It reflects very poorly on the system.

"It reflects very poorly on the system"

yeah I hear the country is really in a pickle as a consequence.

@G.MAL.O.Q

Well, let me put it another way; it needlessly gives the people who are ideologically opposed to Japanese immigration policy ammunition to attack it.

Anytime you refuse to surrender peacefully to authorities you invite injury to yourself.

Again, nobody cares about what the people opposed to Japan immigration policy think, at least in Japan where 80% of Japanese don't want any immigrants, they'd rather self-destruct (actually they won't).

I am a white boy in Japan married to a Japanese btw and I have no problem with their thinking...as long as we are not too many, all will be fine. A few foreigners in any country is good, too many and it becomes a problem.

BTW, nobody wants immigrants anymore, it's not working.

A recent survey by the Pew institute (not your typical far right organization) shows that now 84% of Europeans don't want immigrants anymore.

http://www.pewforum.org/2018/05/29/being-christian-in-western-europe/

That's a fact and the elitist imbeciles making societal changes without consulting anyone should be put in jailed.

put in jail, sorry

...at least in Japan where 80% of Japanese don't want any immigrants, they'd rather self-destruct...

I’m curious to see a source of that “80%” unless you are speaking anecdotally.

"You all forget that he might be Turkish citizen but of Kurdish nationality that might be the reason he is not accepted back."

Under International Law, Turkey is required to take him back. A passport is an assertion that the passport holder has the nationality of the issuing state. In this case, he has a Turkish Passport hence he is a Turkish citizen. Therefore, Turkey must take him back.

If Turkey does not take him back, Japan would be in its rights to revoke and stop issuing any visas to Turks and deporting all the Turks that are living in Japan.

America and Canada have stopped issuing visas to a number of countries, because they were pulling the same BS that Turkey is pulling,

The video shows eight guards sitting on this skinny bloke who appears to be totally submissive, offering no resistance at all. At one point we see one arm is pulled around in a rather unnatural angle - it looks like it is already broken at that point.

Absolutely excessive force.

Also someone needs to bash up on their Japanese language skills. It's daibu or kaizen, not chotto.

kanzen, not kaizen. Darn auto correct.

Also brush up not bash up.