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Two arrested for running members-only prostitution website

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The operator of a prostitution club was arrested Tuesday for violation of prostitution laws after he was found to be operating a website that acted as a go-between between women and their customers, police said.

According to police, Yoshihiro Morioka, 45, the owner of Osaka club Genesis, and employee Seiji Muramoto, 36, allegedly operated a website that boasted 960 male members from Osaka, Nagoya, Fukuoka and other cities, and hooked them up with the 84 female members for sexual encounters at parties that were held nearly 700 times around the country between May 2007 and June 2010. They are said to have made 87 million yen from the venture.

The pair were finally caught after they set up an encounter between a 22-year-old female member and three male members on May 14 of this year.

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Someone hasnt paid off the you-know-who and the other you-know-whos!

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Sorry to say... some of these organized Japanese orgies and sex parties have made their way onto the web.... (and you thought you knew Japanese as shy) Some of these people have families and kids. I know this goes on but I saw a clip and it is sick. Nothing like American and Euro porn...looks like an STD/HIV nightmare. I wasn't surprised when they busted the orgy bus guys in Shinjuku last year. From what I read this was not a simple escort service or moonlighting soapland girls but a full on swinger and orgy operation for these guys and gals (they look like AV gals and your typical wimpy salaryman). This is a lot of time, sex, pimp money and cities. The two loser pimps...are the least of your problems.

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These are consenting adults. Who cares anyway?

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Proffesor - These are consenting adults.

What makes you so sure? I can guarantee a large percentage of the prostitutes are not consenting nor are they adults.

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In a country with so much prostitution, how can they decide who to arrest? Perhaps these guys failed to pay off the right people.

The fact is that delivery health is legal so long as it does not openly offer sexual service. But in fact, those services do include sexual service. The tiny difference seems to be in how it is offered. If it is sold as a service by the company it is illegal. If it is "offered" by the girl at the time of service, it seems to fall into a grey area that the government is ok to ignore.

Since everyone knows this industry exists and is wide spread, why not make it legal? Then you can regulate it, protect the workers, assure health standards and tax the hell out of it for the betterment of society.

It won't go away and the government won't make it fully illegal. So legalize it and tax it.

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Its the oldest profession in the world. It will never go away. Legalize it, tax it, regulate it and let the pimps free.

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Yeah just seems the cops would have something better to do than go around busting people's private sex parties.

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Let's do the math...960 male members x 84 female members x 700 parties = a big, sloppy, STD-infested mess.

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Prostituion is rife in Japan so not sure why these 2 were picked on.

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Legalize, regulate, copulate.

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This is nothing new. There are so many prostitutes in Japan that it probably out numbers the decent people that live in this country. Whether they are getting paid or not, if they are offering sex for something, (money or no money) it is still prostitution. If you go to shibuya today, you will see so many girls there that are mostly prostitutes in their own way. So sad...

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my2sense, what is your problem with orgies? If its not your thing, don't join. Simple.

Disillusioned said: What makes you so sure? I can guarantee a large percentage of the prostitutes are not consenting nor are they adults.

How large? Define large? Is five percent large? Large enough to justify stomping on the freedom of consenting adults to do what they want?

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Sounds like some of these people know about this first hand! Fact is, I will never ever hire a prostitute. However, I'm not gonna judge people who do.

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I am not even sure what to think about this. If everybody and there mother in Japan is into prostitution, it should be legalized, right? So they what to have orgies? Orgies, etc... for adults in a modern country are normal, but maybe these guys were also offering under age girls, high school etc..and that is very illegal, even in Japan.

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my2sense, what is your problem with orgies? If its not your thing, don't join. Simple

that is classic!

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I don't approve of prostitution or the sex industry, and they should be banned. But I want to point out how ironic Japanese society or any society that says it's okay to have sex industry but no prostitution when they are the same thing, money in exchange for sex. The only difference is prostitution is what it is and the sex industry is sugar coated but it is still sex for money or money for sex. Prostitution is illegal but the sex industry is legal. The bottom line is the government want her share of the profit which the government should be ashamed of. The government should close both industries down.

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Prostitution is sex in exchange for goods don't have to be money.

If a women tells you "take me on a date, nice dinner and a movie and we will have sex" THAT is prostitution too.

Sex-Industry is just organized prostitution.

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My2sense...what is "classic" about MistWizard's post? The post is simple common sense. Don't want to join? then don't!

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hrd1231 - My2sense was referring to the following (i believe) as being classic.(In response to MistWizards comment)

The traditional saying is: 'If you can't beat them, join them'.

Where as above it was presented as 'If you don't like them, don't join them'... Very witty indeed.

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Zenny11-- What about the man who tells you "I will take you on a date, a nice dinner and a movie and if we don't have sex at the end, I am going to be pissed" Is that the same thing?

I don't think the sex industry will ever be stopped. Especially not by busting these two guys. There are a million more to replace them, I'm sure.

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They were busted because they did not locate their business in allocated entertainment areas and more importantly - did not declare their incomes. Shame. The J-Cops are still not yet sure how to handle virtual entertainment businesses, so for now - bad bad bad...

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Legalizing prostitution makes the most sense. Why? Because it will exist regardless of the law. So it makes sense to legalize it, control, tax and organize it in a way that benefits rather than endangering society.

Taxes: Revenue for the state and the ability to monitor and control who is involved.

Health Standards: Monitor worker health with frequent testing, education and monitoring. This helps reduce the risk of spreading disease that may otherwise be wide spread.

Licensing: This allows you to assure there is no human trafficing and also allows you to verfiy the age of workers and to protect their rights. Taxes pay for it and the excess becomes much needed state revenue.

Regulations: Regulate how the industry works to avoid abuses and corruption, this helps reduce or eliminate the involvement of crime.

Let's face facts. Sex is one the strongest human drives. For the lucky mainstream this exists in the context of relationships. But for many people it does not. What is to happen to them? Do you prefer that you have a lot of frustrated and potentially dangerous people out there or an outlet to help them have options?

Morality should be a personal issue when it comes to sex. As many have said here, prostitution can be interpreted in many ways. How much of dating and marriage is driven by the same need for financial security and gain as a working girl's objectives?

If you legalize it, you can regulate and control it while still providing it as an option to adults who wish to use those services. For others, they can ignore that entire world and carry on as they do today.

This makes the most sense.

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Yep- I was referring to the operation not the moral standing on orgies, swing parties and certainly did not want to offend anyone who indulges in them. So sorry. Its the way this operation is set up and performed was what I was referring to and of course the black market racket and the rising increase of HIV in Japan (the fastest for developed nations-check me on that). Osaka Club Genesis anyone? Ewwwwwww. I'll stick to Austin Power's style- swing baby yeah....with condoms.

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We wouldn't even be talking about this if it wasn't for post-WWII MacArthur enforcing American puritanism in the same way that Christian missionaries forced native Hawaiians to cover up. Left to their own devices Japanese have few moral qualms about prostitution, so the Prime Directive should have been followed here.

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Agree with dhodgson.

If it weren't for the US occupation we would still have communal bathing at Onsen and Sentou and other fun stuff(like no pixels, etc).

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Prostitution is very common in Japan, in all its various guises (snack bars, hostess bars, lounges, soaplands, delivery health). You can often see young girls doing 'enjyoukousai' (compensated dating) even in my small city. The thing is, it's all 'cutesy' here and made to sound like harmless fun. Just browse through any hostess club magazine or delivery health magazine. The pages are full of little cartoons depicting what to do and how to pay etc..... The really scary thing is the total lack of awareness about STDs and safe sex.

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I thought prostitution was legal in Japan

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the rising increase of HIV in Japan (the fastest for developed nations-check me on that).

If you're going to make a claim like that, the onus really is on you to provide a reference. A cursory glance suggests you have an unreliable source or made it up: http://tinyurl.com/2aeoz8e

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One down, thousands to go.

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operating a website that acted as a go-between between women and their customers

... so you mean like a dating site? I mean honestly men always pay for sex, the price just depends on how high the woman sets her standards. It might be dinner and a movie, it might be a wedding ring and half your money, or it might be an hourly rate. Stop kidding yourselves people, prostitution isn't going to go away.

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@kokorocloud.

What about the man who tells you "I will take you on a date, a nice dinner and a movie and if we don't have sex at the end, I am going to be pissed" Is that the same thing?

Yes, pretty much the same thing, one person set the price and the other agrees or not.

One reason why "dutch paying" became the norm in europe decades ago as the ladies felt less obliged to do "certain things" when taken on a date.

HTH.

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my2sense said: Yep- I was referring to the operation not the moral standing on orgies

What is the operational problem of an orgy then??? Why did you even bring it up? Or the fact that some are married with children?

Then you drag HIV into this when Japan STILL has a very low incidence of HIV DESPITE the constant claim of a high infection rate?

Further, why do use words like "sick" to describe a sex clip? I gave the benefit of the doubt when I accused you of trying to push your morality on others. Now you leave yourself in a position that says it just disgusts you so want a crackdown, and that is even worse. That is akin to me saying obese people cannot have sex.

Seeing now to try pass this off as some national health concern is just sad. Just own up and stop trying to fool us. You got ideas on how people should be controlled to please your personal sensibilities and you are looking for excuses to do that.

Moderator: All readers back on topic please. Posts that do not focus on what is in the story will be removed.

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-MistWizard.... You are truly classic mate, lol. Get some AC and a beer. ROOOOAARR! Don't take anonymous people so serious. Its the Internet. Cheers.

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I guess this stuff wouldn't bother you if it was your daughter....

they set up an encounter between a 22-year-old female member and three male members

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Its a serious discussion "mate". If youre not interested in contributing to it, dont. Some people enjoy intelligent conversation with authentic facts and references to allow food for thought.

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@my2sense.

22yr old is a FULL adult and she can do what she wants behind her bedroom doors.

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Zenny11.... not the point is it. 22 is an adult, sure but cmon man where is your class with three guys, a members sex club and the 700 locations over 3 years.

you mean like this Kaptain;

KaptainKichigai at 03:11 PM JST - 11th August I thought prostitution was legal in Japan

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Dont bother bashing my2sense anymore, lol.... I get the point from a few of you. Dirty old man is the way here in Japan. What was I thinking on my comments? I give up- you guys win!

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ok- no worries.... Perhaps my ridiculousness will be sort of understood by others, maybe. The whole sex train gang bang thing and story is nasty with thousands of people doing this so freely is disturbing. This is not a couple of pimps, consenting adults, hookers and a brothel, but a national gang bang circuit. We are talking a major illegal sex operation with possible minors and this would have made national news in the US with so many cities. I will go away now and no I am no angel either. I totally respect others opinions regardless if they are into this stuff. Cheers.

I am just explaining the ridiculousness of your position for all to see.

Thanks a lot.

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I'm curious...how much was membership? :-)

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Prostitution is not the crime, but the facilitation of it. Back home, prostitution is legal; however, it is a crime to act an intermediary due to the usual abuse and exploitation,often of minors,involved.

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We are talking a major illegal sex operation with possible minors

The only evidence you have of this is your over-active imagination. Injecting that into the debate is like injecting a poison. What has debate ever done wrong to be so treated?

This is not a couple of pimps, consenting adults, hookers and a brothel, but a national gang bang circuit.

As far as we have information, yes, this is a couple of pimps and consenting adults, but no brothel. It may also be a national gangbang circuit on top of that.

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enough!

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It will be enough when you retract some of the bad statements you made or declare them all tongue-in-cheek or something. You can't just walk away.

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Headline implies they would not have been arrested had it not been members only.

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"Headline implies they would not have been arrested had it not been members only."

Hey! There is a sex party and I am not invited? I am glad they were locked up. They should throw me a bone, or rot in the doghouse.

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"960 male members"

"84 female members"

This is not good.

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"960 male members" "84 female members"

This is kind of like Adult Friend Finder, except it would 960 men and 8 women!!

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@Junama: writing from experience? Well, if everyone was a consenting adult and no one was coming to any harm, what has it got to do with us?

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haole47 at 12:35 PM JST - 11th August

Legalize, regulate, copulate.

LOL

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I don't see anything wrong with this... the prostitution part. If members are forced to do it, then there is a problem..

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sarge, we agree on something... need more female members. Noone likes sloppy seconds.

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Prostitution is women's slavery, women used as object for men's sexual need sometimes in absolut digusting manners, women who would do another job if they could find a better way to gain money (like becoming CEO or PM...)

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MistWizard : "what is your problem with orgies? If its not your thing, don't join. Simple."

The problem is the criminal organization behind all form of prostitution, but also how women are treated and why they do that kind of job. These women do not do it because they like it but because they have no other way.

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Yumimoto, English is probably not your first language, but an orgy is not directly relatated to prostitution, okay?

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@tkoind2 : your fierce defense of prostitution is really strikening and also frightening... Men are so willing to defend such things and not even thinking to the sordid reality behind it.

Legalizing prostitution makes the most sense. Why? Because it will exist regardless of the law. So it makes sense to legalize it, control, tax and organize it in a way that benefits rather than endangering society.

FALSE. There were many reports which dismissed all these arguments and show that prostitutes life and work conditions in Germany and Holland where prostitution is legalized were totally dehumanized. These women have no control. They are slaves and abuses happen all the time. Some are beaten by their clients and sometimes their bosses. The bosses are most of the time men who make a lot of money while the prostitutes are paid peanuts. They are also involved with crime organizations and apply a logic of rentability. For example, in Germany, prostitutes have sometimes to "take care" of 25 clients in one day and some of them are selled off !!

I tell you something, better work in a manufacture than having 25 dirty pigs dicks in the mouth in one day.

Let's face facts. Sex is one the strongest human drives. The problem in our modern societies is that men are sexualy over stimulated since teenagehood by the media and porn. They just can't control themselves. Sex has become an obsession and violence, abuse, women's sex slavery are near the door.

Do you prefer that you have a lot of frustrated and potentially dangerous people out there or an outlet to help them have options? Like I already pointed out in a preview topic, the courtrooms are full of porn users-prostitute's clients-married men who commit sexual abuses on women and children and they all could released their sexual drives through all kind of medias or services. The frustration argument is a false argument made-up by false shrinks all paid by the porn industry. I know many psychologists who are very worried about the rise of the porn users they have to treat because of sexual abuses.

Morality should be a personal issue when it comes to sex. Morality should always been used when human beings are involved. Prostitution and the sex industry are not acceptable condition for women in a civilized country. Many porn actresses or prostitutes have been sexually abuse in their childhood or teenagehood. Many of them end really bad. Some commit suicide. Some of them even become gay because they are disgusted by men ! These women's life is terribly hard. No women in the world should be obliged to do that job and treated in that way.

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@MistWizard

I was talking about orgies with prostitues.

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It's somewhat pitiful but like Yumimoto said, they could work in a factory or anything decent. It's hard to sympathize b/c ultimately it's their choice.

Good post btw.

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yumimoto:

Prostitution is women's slavery

, women used as object for men's sexual need sometimes in absolut digusting manners, women who would do another job if they could find a better way to gain money (like becoming CEO or PM...)

I agree IF the women are forced to do it, I doubt that is the case in 80-90% of the cases. Once women get a taste of the easy money they'd rather make 6000 a month being a prostitute than work making 1500 at an office working longer hours.

Prostitution is women's slavery

The same can be said for marriage for men in some cases.

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Don't you think IF these women had a better job with a decent salary with better work conditions and promotions, maybe they would have a better alternative than prostitution ?

The roots of prostitution is poverty and second class citizenship and these two elements are great to "force" women to prostitution... Do you remember that news two weeks ago of that Japanese woman who killed her two kids because she couldn't raise them ? She was divorced and raised the kids alone with no money from her ex husband. Guess what kind of job she was doing... a sex job ! Noticed that rich women are never prostitutes or hostesses. The dirty job is always done by the poorest ones, the less fortunate ones. To me the abuse already starts here.

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Cyber Pimps!

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"Don't you think IF these women had a better job with a decent salary with better work conditions and promotions, maybe they would have a better alternative than prostitution?"

Well, that can for anybody. If I only had a better job available to me, then I wouldnt have to work at the crappy job I have now. But you know, they dont just GIVE AWAY better jobs, you have to earn them and put preparation into education and get work experience. The mindset of the type of girls who get into this kind of stuff to begin with is not the one of education and hard work, it is the mindset of what is easy to make money with the least amount of effort. Otherwise they WOULD be working in a better job with a decent salary because they would not be spending all their times at these parties chasing the easy money. To hear some of you tell it, we should just give any woman who wants its a VP or CEO position so they wont have to become prostitutes? Ok then where is the job someone going to just GIVE to me? thought so....

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Being a pervert and being branded like a pervert is the worst thing for a man. It means he is not human, just something people can be disgusted with and have nigtmares of. Running prostitution like websites is the worst.

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I like the way this article ends. "The pair were finally caught after they set up an encounter between a 22-year-old female member and three male members on May 14 of this year." So why/how were they caught? Were any of these "members' undercover cops? Talk about leaving your readers hanging.

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LoveUSA - Being a man and branded as a pervert, means he is not human?

What are you trying to say?

Most hot blooded males would be classed as being perverted, if people could actually hear or read their minds... Wow how scary would that be :) Does this mean that most men are not human? I am confused by your statement of morality...

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Tokyokawasaki, yeah now you defend men who maintain a prostitution site and compare them to real nice men...

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sarge, we agree on something... need more female members.

dream on it, any intelligent female will run away from you...

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LoveUSA - No... Reread what I typed. I am confused by your statement that men who you consider to be perverts are not human. What I typed had nothing to do with running a prostitution website.

I suppose it boils to that we all have different opinions as to what perverted means... I do not think a porn or prostitute website is perverted, far from it in fact. But someone who gets a sexual kick out of scantly clad 12~15 year old school girls is a pervert in my opinion.

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I'm sure the legions of sex-related service industry members (males and females) in Japan would have something to say when Yumimoto, LoveUSA and my2sense rant about their "disgusting" and "perverted" lives. True, some may be there against their will, which is a shame considering the large amount of people who would gladly do the job. Imposing your own values on others and insulting them while you do might make you feel better about yourself, but your moral structure is irrelevant.

And what about all those poor women can't find a proper job so they are forced to prostitute themselves? There are just as many men who are in the exact same position but they don't even have that ability, you should pity those fools even more!

My final point: there are women all over the world who would consider a job at McDonald's, Lawsons or cleaning toilets to be beneath themselves and would rather be a stripper, escort, pink worker, or Playboy bunny. You may try to twist the logic around, but they are there by choice.

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Let me see....Exotic Dancers dance because it pays more than waitresses get paid...

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"what about all those poor women can't find a proper job so they are forced to prostitute themselves? There are just as many men who are in the exact same position but they don't even have that ability, you should pity those fools even more"

Well Jason, let's look at that a little. What you are overlooking is male prostitution. Straight guys compelled by their circumstances to use "their abilities" to engage in homosexual acts for money.

Isn't that disgusting? It is common. But your comment above shows that you ignore that it exists. You seem to be saying that men are disadvantaged because they can't be prostitutes. I wonder why I have never seen a million man march on that theme.

OK. So why is it any less disgusting that women have to have sex with people they don't even like just so that they can get money?

I joked around above because Nessie always gets a grin out of me, but Yumimoto has good points. There are people running around such as... uh.. what is her name...Sasha Grey... who uphold the right to do porn as a feminist and freedom of speech issue, but there are so many more, including Linda Lovelace, who see porn and prostitution as exploitation of people in a weak social position. Prostitution is their choice just like being underpaid and discriminated against is their choice. They can choose anything but to have a penis, and would they choose prostitution if they could have a penis instead? I doubt it.

The argument is almost 200 years old and it was articulated very well by Mary Wollstonecraft. I don't think it is right to say that prostitution is ok. We should make a society that gives women true equal opportunity in all legal and economic aspects and THEN make a judgment about what people will rationally CHOOSE to do.

My opinion is not popular, but from what I have seen of life, prostitutes are not happy people doing something that they love. They are exploited and they exploit others.

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Klein2- awesome post.

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Nice try, but no... As a man I do not have a NON gay option to do what they are doing. They dont have to do anything with people of the same sex, so its apples vs. oranges. These women can do the same thing they used to do for free at the end of the date yet they can make obscene money easily in short bursts of time doing things that everyone does in daily life.

So they might not have the "opportunity" to have a penis, but I dont have the opportunity to have breasts so I have to actually get an education and work at a job I dont like in order to make money.

So some women choose prostitution just because they dont have a penis? Uh no, they choose it because they CAN because they dont have a penis and because it is easier than working hard and getting educated. Women AND Men both take the easy, lazy way out, only difference is the women can still make money that way.

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So you wake up leisurely around noon, go to work about 6pm, do a couple of dudes for 10,000 yen a pop and home by midnight with 20,000-30,000 yen per day in your pocket. Dont want to go one day you just live off the money from the previous day's work or work more the next day. Assuming you have no self esteem (which you dont because you arent willing to actually WORK for a living), how is this a BAD job?

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Yumimoto said: Do you remember that news two weeks ago of that Japanese woman who killed her two kids because she couldn't raise them ? She was divorced and raised the kids alone with no money from her ex husband.

Why not just stop right there? You don't think those things are at the root of the problem? No? You blame her hostess job? Maybe you think everything would have been okay if she were just unemployed?

Noticed that rich women are never prostitutes or hostesses.

Nor waitresses, house maids nor truck drivers, secretaries, or supermarket clerks. I dare say that rich women have a tendency not to work at all! Maybe we should talk about the middle class? Well, they tend to do work that requires skill just to get in the door. And you are not getting in the door unless you have the skill.

Look, plenty of women have paid for their college tuition doing sex related work.

Its not the job. Its what you make of it. People with no brain probably won't make much of it. Its not the fault of the job.

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I know quiet a host of OL, Secretaries, etc that work as prostitutes at night both in Japan and abroad.

Most of them do it because they want extra monies for travel goods, etc.

Some posters have expressed disgust as to what swingers get up to, open most mags and you can find ads for people looking to swing or asking for couples, etc to have fun with.

Xaviera Hollander made a career out of prostitution and wrote many successful books on the art of love-making, etc.

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You two are a class act, lol. You fellas like Thailand?

I know quiet a host of OL, Secretaries, etc that work as prostitutes at night both in Japan and abroad.

I know what you mean... I live a middle class hood and half the local Moms are in my mailbox. I dated a girl once and found a million yen in her cookie jar....hopped online to the escort sites and there she was....lol.

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If Japan wanted to cure its economic woes they would either legalize it and tax the heck out of it...or....set up sting operations twice a day, seven days a week and fine the heck out of them.

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first, legalize, regulate and tax prostitution. next, do the same thing for marijuana. do it now Kan. get'er done!

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Well said onewrldoneppl!

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XDDD, its. really funny because there are strict laws for straight prostitution but there isn.t any law for gay prostitution (well there no law focus on gay people in japan...so sad ><)

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prostitutes offer services that wifes do not

like Jerry Hall said, be a wife in the kitchen and a **** in the bedroom

i would like to believe that most people get married for love and still love each other even when they get to middle age,,, but then i would be naive,....

men do have different appetites than women,,,i think if you love your husband you should be 'accommodating',,,, if it wasnt for the pill we would have like 10 kids by now,,,,!

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I wish there were forums like this in the 60's. I would love to read what people would've written on this topic.

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For those of you who see prostitution as a job that those 'poor' women are taking because there's nothing better available, try a little social experiment.

Go to any sex industry part of town, you'll see the girls walking around easily enough, and tell them how sorry you feel for their plight. Then tell them you run your own restaurant and are willing to help them out by offering them a job waiting tables for 800 yen an hour. Surely, they will JUMP at the chance for a real and respectable job!

"Listen, honey. I know you don't really want to do this. Why not come work for me and you can make in a month what you make in three days here?" LOL

You're ridiculous.

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By the way, isn't there a way to keep track of threads on this site? No "subscribed threads" or whatever? How do you keep track of the threads you're interested in or commented on?

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KansaiMan you.re soooo wrong XDD Many japanese see prostitution as a job, and they won.t quit their job in a host/hostess club for work 12 hours in a restaurant for that money, i will promise. I think you don.t know anything about this world (prostitution world) and you talk because....well really i don.t know what you give your opinion you.re so wrong...

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